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What's Going On With All The People With Depression and Anxiety?

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Seems so common to hear about someone with depression or anxiety these days... why? The doctors just seem to prescribe pills. Popping pills all day...

Ever since my someone I know was prescribed anti depressants she's been having nightmares and wakes up crying... Her doctor says she needs a stronger dose... What the fuck?

These pills remind me of the matrix. I'm concerned... Thoughts?
 

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Anti-depressants have all kinds of unpleasant side effects:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepre ... se_effects

Sometimes they don't even do what they're intended to do.

Anything that messes with brain chemistry is in my opinion in the danger zone. Marijuana, nootropics, methylphenidates, you name it. Ambien is another - people sleep walk / sleep act out; there was a girl who was raped on the side of a bridge and contracted AIDS after sleep walking a few miles on Ambien, and a guy who dreamed someone had broken into his house and he strangled him to death on Ambien; when he woke up, he found he'd strangled his wife to death.

Often when these things are new, all you hear about is the benefit. "They work wonders! Great for the brain!" Then years later the bad stuff starts coming out. People die or have various other terrible things happen.

But the brain is a very complicated organ. Different people's brains are wired in different ways, with often very different chemical balances. You mess with that, it's anybody's guess what happens.

My philosophy has always been that if the brain did not evolve the new chemical balance a drug is designed to effect, there's probably a good reason why we didn't evolve the balance the drug enables.

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As for all the people with depression and anxiety... first world problems.

People in the first world have too much wealth, too much leisure, too little family, too little community, and too little purpose.

It's easy to become depressed, fatalistic, and nihilistic when your life has no sense of community and no real meaning. Materialism and empiricism are poor substitutes for family and faith.

Chase
 

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Yeah its an interesting topic. Having gone through the conventional health care system in America a bit myself I can say I'm disgusted with the pharmaceutical industry and all the harm a vast majority of the drugs it concocts do to the masses who just sit and take it because "their doctor told them to".

What happens is because profit stakes are so high with pharmaceuticals the doctors curriculum trains them to mindlessly assess symptoms and assign a drug to cover up said symptom as opposed to critically thinking and looking into what may be causing someone's symptoms to begin with (and perhaps using alternative methods to heal the person as opposed to pharmaceuticals).

There are exceptions but most doctors are so desensitized to everyone having a degree of chronic illness in America that they just shrug their shoulders and move onto the next depressed patient to prescribe Zoloft to because that is the extent of their training. (Don't get me wrong conventional doctors are great when it comes to more acute issues but we conventional medicine struggles heavily with chronic illnesses, such as depression).

Chase said:
As for all the people with depression and anxiety... first world problems.

People in the first world have too much wealth, too much leisure, too little family, too little community, and too little purpose.

1st world problems are a huge factor but I would also add diet, exercise (or lack thereof), and environmental toxins (such as mercury, lead, other pollutants) as a factor.

Diet alone can cause and cure a lot of depression patients. The Standard American Diet (aka SAD) comprised mostly of highly processed foods, refined carbohydrates, toxic trans fats, and the many forms of sugar and is very toxic to the body in many cases which causes organs to malfunction throwing off your gut, metabolic system, endocrine system, and more all of which communicates directly to the brain via hormones and neurotransmitters. Mess one or more of those systems up and you'll stop producing or sending the right amounts of the right hormones/chemicals to the right place and all of a sudden your depressed/anxious.

If your lucky enough to where your genes don't respond negatively to the toxic processed sugar laden diet the mere lack of nutrients can be enough to cause people to become nutrient deficient which can cause issues with the brain (which needs nutrients to function adequately). This is a poor study (just first one I picked out) but there is a plethora of research on the subject:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18793245

For participants who participated in this clinical trial, they were randomized into one of three groups where vitamin D (20,000 IU cholecalciferol) was given twice per week, once per week, or not at all (placebo) for one year. All participants also received calcium supplementation (500 mg daily). Findings indicated that for the two groups that received vitamin D, there was a significant improvement in depression (using the Beck Depression Inventory) which was more pronounced in those with higher depression at baseline. Limitations of the study were that only overweight and obese adults were included, and participants did not have to have depression at baseline to participate.

And that's just one micro-nutrient Vitamin D. But you'll never hear this research broadcasted in mainstream media or on TV because if you can solve depression with lifestyle changes and vitamins then Big Pharma is going to lose out on a lifetime prescription of Zoloft, Prozac, and Lexipro addicts they could have converted.

Drugs are an amazing invention that save lives when needed but 90% of prescription medication for chronic ailments are entirely unnecessary and downright scary.

Go build a community, eat healthy, and find your purpose in the world instead.
 

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@Chase

Being this is a seduction forum and were mostly following non-conventional lives with regards to "family, community, and faith" how exactly do you go about fulfilling this "sense of community and family" without having a true community or family (i.e. single playboy seducer who has a career as a digital nomad or fill in the blank accordingly).

Could you explain what you mean by "family, community, and faith"?

(i.e. If most of your family is deceased and you live away from the rest of your family is having a girlfriend and a string of mistresses enough to fulfill the family aspect?)
 

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Chase,

Marijuana

How? I've always felt like weed isn't as harmless as people make it out to be.

As for all the people with depression and anxiety... first world problems.

People in the first world have too much wealth, too much leisure, too little family, too little community, and too little purpose.

It's easy to become depressed, fatalistic, and nihilistic when your life has no sense of community and no real meaning. Materialism and empiricism are poor substitutes for family and faith.

What would be your recommendation to someone who feels depressed? And what key aspects of society do you think will continue to worsen?
 

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Imo, there is a lot of depression/anxiety because our brains are not adapted to be living the lifestyle we live today.

For starters, the post-modern lifestyle guarantees that you will NOT meet the needs for the 4 things which keep these diseases at bay. The only way to get these needs met is to make a conscious effort do so. They are:

- Sleep
- Nutrition
- Exercise
- Social Support Network

Get those handled, and your depression/anxiety will either melt away completely, or become a whole lot more manageable. Thing is...in our world today, no one does these things automatically. It's not part of our daily lives unless we make it such.

Sleep: Most people don't understand how important 8 hours is. They stay up late distracting themselves with leisurely activities when their body needs rest. Or worse. They work two jobs, or one very high stress/long hours job. Those people can't even afford the luxury of sleep, even when they want it.

Nutrition: I don't even wanna open this can of worms cause its so big. So I'm just gonna leave it at this: Most people in today's world don't even know what good nutrition looks like. So its almost impossible for them to actually practice good nutrition habits.

Exercise: Some people take care of this. But its not a part of our daily routine like it is in prehistoric life. Right now, you need to get a gym membership and get your ass up and go in order to get exercise. In Prehistoric times, exercise was built into the lifestyle. If you wanted to eat, you need to get your ass up and hunt. Plus, a very very large portion of the population doesn't even get a gym membership. They do nothing whatsoever.

Social Support Network: Most people have no or very few good friends. Sure, they have a crew that they hang out with here and there. But when the chips are down, are they really going to help them out? Maybe. Maybe not. People are so terrified of vulnerability, that they never even connect with one another enough to find out. So really, even though most people technically "have friends", they still feel alone. Girlfriends and lovers are a part of the same umbrella.


But even beyond those four...the real reason is that our lives have no structure anymore. They're a flurry of chaos, confusion and lack of purpose. Think about what the average person does. He gets up in the morning, goes to his mediocre or shitty job where he spends 8 hours doing something he doesn't really like. He goes home to his mediocre or shitty girlfriend, watches TV and goes to bed. Or worse yet...goes home alone and jerks off to porn. He has few or no good friends. Few or no good prospects for life. Few or no things which give him true fulfillment or pleasure.

WE ARE WIRED TO DO NONE OF THIS.

In prehistoric times, we live in tribes. Everyone knows each other. And everyone is on relatively good terms. This means you already have a support network of friends who you know you can count on to have your back. Why? Because for the most part, all of you have literally been in combat together. You've forged brotherhood and sisterhoods by blood. You also have older mentors to show you purpose and guidance through your life. This means that if your job is to go out and hunt to provide for your village, someone will show you that path. And when you actually do it, you'll feel fulfilled. Because you feel like you're contributing to something that matters. Compare that to today's world. You basically choose a profession at a young age when you have no fucking clue what you want to do with your life. There are no good resources to use as guidance. And most jobs available don't feel that fulfilling because you're only helping make part of the product. You don't really make or do anything that you call your own (e.g. if you work at a company, you've only contributed a small part to creating the final product. And you can't even tangibly see or feel whatever you did). This causes us to feel like we have less purpose and get less fulfillment out of our lives. Think about it...it's within our culture to basically bitch about how we hate work. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S WHAT WE SPEND MOST OF OUR WAKING HOURS DOING. THERE' SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THAT. Also, in prehistoric times, everything you eat and hunt are things that are meant to be consumed by human beings. Not processed foods which basically act slow-moving poison through the body.
 

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Great contribution bboy. I am suffering from a lack of purpose atm. I often fantasize about living in the medieval ages and hacking and slashing men open in war. Life would be simpler then(writing a book about it). I don't know what I want, but I sure as hell know what I don't want.
 
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Very insightful, Bboy. I don't think most people realize just how long we've been accustomed to that lifestyle. Cellphones and widespread internet use have been around for maybe the last 10-15 years, industrialization - when we moved from traditional subsistence living to working "jobs" in factories - for the last 200 years, religious morality (in the West, maybe slightly earlier elsewhere) has only been around for the last 2500 years, even civilization itself has only been around for 10,000 years. Humans have been living, eating, fucking, and killing for 200,000 years. Even before hominins came about, it's safe to assume based on other great ape behaviors that tribes and community living have been a part of our behavior for far longer. It's kind of a testament to our arrogance to think that we can undo all that in a couple of generations.
 

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Depression is complex issue, there is no simple solution. BTW excellent points above Bboy, agreed

On the other hand, we also have to consider genetic predisposition, neurotransmitter imbalance, trauma, some health or physical conditions and so forth. These may not be easily fixed by nutrition, lifestyle changes, social support and so forth.

Say you are born and you are not the prettiest girl around; you may have some adrenal hyperplasia that causes you to have mood changes, weight gain, rounded face, maybe a back hump and so forth. Cortisol in your body is persistently elevated, causing obesity. In addition, you might have neurotransmitter imbalance, and you are born in family where mom who has 300 pounds doesn't think there is anything wrong with her, she feeds you with sweets since you are little...

You are rather screwed, your peers might laugh at you since childhood, and that is a reason why you are avoiding people at first place. You are at disadvantage at work because prettier girls will get the job you wanted, not even mentioning that guys don't want to go out with you either...

You got to get depressed by just reading it, or you simply don't give a damn about others....

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Some suggest more natural approach, such as living in nature....

Living in the nature? It may sounds great behind computer screen in air conditioned room, but once you are out for several days and you have no place to even take a shit and wipe your ass with toilet paper, you are thirsty and hungry because closest store is hundreds of miles away, you are bitten by mosquitos day and night, sweating and in filthy clothes because you can't wash them, well, just say that the reality of living in a beautiful nature kicks in fast. Not even mentioning not having cell phone or access to FB for 3 days... or that you might fear predators or human enemies from other tribes....

I'm not saying that we shouldn't live in nature, in contrary, perhaps we should with some moderate technological accommodations. But when you think about it, that 8 hour job that sucks might just be little bit better than living in real nature... Mother Nature is not that friendly as she seems, which is a reason why we humans built civilization at first place...
 

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@ Rob-

Mr.Rob said:
@Chase

Being this is a seduction forum and were mostly following non-conventional lives with regards to "family, community, and faith" how exactly do you go about fulfilling this "sense of community and family" without having a true community or family (i.e. single playboy seducer who has a career as a digital nomad or fill in the blank accordingly).

Could you explain what you mean by "family, community, and faith"?

(i.e. If most of your family is deceased and you live away from the rest of your family is having a girlfriend and a string of mistresses enough to fulfill the family aspect?)

Sure. Humans are tribal, and tend historically to live amongst groups of known individuals, many of whom are family. In both hunter-gatherer and agricultural societies it is this way.

However, when societies urbanize, their populations become mobile, and individuals migrate into large urban seas of anonymous faces. Drinking buddies, coworkers, and friends with benefits don't offer the same kind of social support close family and lifelong friends do. So you get a bunch of people with frayed social ties who are much more prone to mental illness.

Urbanization has the same effect on religiosity, stripping individuals of religious/supernatural faith. Religious faith provides a hedge against existential angst; life has purpose, meaning, and direction. Without it, people become subject to fads, trends, and lose themselves in the mob.

Men have it better than women do. You'll note the mental illness rates in women in urbanized societies are significantly higher. But men have adapted to go out into the wilderness and be on their own and seek out new fortunes and opportunities. So pretty much all men - especially younger men - are better adapted to periods of time as bachelors, removed from community support. But most guys will see their minds fray a bit if they are too removed from people who know them and care about them too.

I've found forums a big help with not losing the community aspect as you travel around. The people you meet in real life are anonymous, but you go online to a forum you're a part of and there are your friends, same as always, as they have been for years. The best are small, private forums with guys who all know each other well and are at similar points in their lives (with travel, women, business, etc.). But if you have a large forum like the GC Boards that still works for you, that can help a lot too.

Girlfriends can help with some sense of community. Although I recommend against relying on them for this. If you get all your sense of family/community from girlfriends/mistresses, you are at their whims. If your community comes from a group of tight-knit male friends (in an online forum, or on a Facebook group, or wherever you build it) you retain your mental independence. Women will often rely on YOU for their sense of family/community (especially the kinds of girls you're more likely to pick up with cold approach... who more often tend to be loners / independent folks themselves), which can make the power dynamic a little uneven (she gets her sense of community from you, while you get your sense of community from your buddies).


@ Cacc-

Just a few studies off the top of my head that came out this year:

Marijuana use associated with increased risk of stroke, heart failure

Marijuana use tied to poorer school performance

Long-term marijuana use changes brain's reward circuit

Marijuana associated with three-fold risk of death from hypertension

So interestingly, this year alone, we've found marijuana causes blood flow problems (leading to heart attack / stroke), reduces performance in school (anyone who's had a pothead classmate could tell you this though... lol), rewires the brain, and die more from hypertension. Marijuana has a greater risk to cardiovascular health that nicotine cigarettes do.

There's plenty of older research on marijuana's bad sides as well. It increases the risks of schizophrenia, psychosis, etc. Obviously not as extreme as in the infamous 1936 "Reefer Madness" movie though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQlcMHhF3w

There's a whole laundry list of adverse effects of marijuana on the Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Adverse_effects

Cacc said:
What would be your recommendation to someone who feels depressed?

Follow the steps in my article on it:

How to Overcome Depression

And once you've beaten depression for good, get purpose:

The Purpose of Life from a Practical Point of View

Cacc said:
And what key aspects of society do you think will continue to worsen?

Well, we'll continue to see more and more population mixing, at least for now. As dissimilar populations mix (different races, religions, national origins, etc.), the social fabric erodes, trust goes down, and mental health issues increase. More and more people too will continue to move to anonymous cities, as the countryside continues to bleed jobs. So from the continued rise in close-proximity diversity and the continued rise in urbanization, I would expect community to continue to fray in the immediate future.

Families in the West are also in quite bad shape. Lots of people come from broken homes, lots of people who marry and have children now later divorce. Many people are now waiting until they're much older to have children, if they have them at all. Various social forces are at work to delegitimize the idea of family: rebel against your parents. The single life is best. Childfree life is best. So we can expect that individuals susceptible to these messages will stay away from family and experience concomitant increased mental health morbidity. Most urbanites are susceptible to anti-family messaging, so I see things worsening there, too. But even among the rural poor, family seems to have broken down to some extent, perhaps largely due to economics (no jobs; people have to migrate to different areas; people go on drugs to escape their problems; etc.).

And religion for now is totally buggered. Christianity, except for a few fundamentalist sects, has been hollowed out. Most of Christianity stands for nothing now, and as such inspires no one. Islam is resurgent, but is not exactly good for mental health, either; because it is an anti-monogamy religion, it creates polygamous societies with hordes of sexually disenfranchised men who become soldiers of Allah as an outlet. Very good for population expansion and growing the religion (let the top men breed with multiple partners; let the bottom men kill your enemies), but not so good for mental health or social stability.

All these issues point to a crisis, which we may already be in the midst of. Or may still be on the horizon somewhat, if you're in Europe (it's getting worse in Europe, but "crisis" hasn't entered the zeitgeist there yet the way it has in America. It will - the temperature of the pot is going up - but it hasn't reached a broil yet).

Crises can go a variety of ways: civilization collapse, invasion, revolution, dictatorship/authoritarianism, or, in rare cases, successful reform. I couldn't tell you which will be more likely. In America, we have the plutocrats, the anarchocapitalists, and the Marxists allied against the religious, the civic nationalists, and the ethnonationalists. Both alliances are tenuous, and whichever side wins is going to then have infighting among the victorious factions. However, at this point, I view social cohesion in the West as bad enough that whichever side offers improved social cohesion to be the more likely to win. Right now that seems to be the right. (that said, the right is missing some tremendous low-hanging fruit that is right up the left's alley - but I think the American left will need a few years in the woods before it reorients itself in the direction I think it will ultimately need to go in before it is equipped to win elections again)

Anyway, my prediction: social fabric / mental health will continue to deteriorate for the near-term (10 to 30 years?). After which, we should see it begin to improve (especially once Generation Z is a bigger part of the picture). But hard to say what that means for other aspects of society, like government, technology, economy, etc. Gonna be a bumpy ride till then, though.

Chase
 
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