What's the difference?

[Verisimilitude]

As I check out more and more of this site, I think that the most valuable part may be the field reports section, mostly because it covers all elements of seduction. My biggest question for people who post there regularly is: What is the biggest game changer between a FR and a LR? To clarify, I mean what is the single most important thing that helps you have sex with a girl when you go out on a date? Logistics, successful framing, escalation... etc.

Thanks!

 

[AfterMath]

To me, all of those things are equally important, the whole interaction and the way you present yourself is how make a woman feel attracted to you in the first place.
But if I had to choose one thing over everything else, specfically on a date, is logistics. If you got everything down well and the logistics part is still missing, it will be hard for the date to lead to sex, which is the ultimate goal.
Chances are, if you are going out on a date with a woman, she is already at least somewhat interested in you, so essentially, logistics can make or break your date.
That's not say that you can try another time and actually succeed, but either way you will eventually need to take care of logistics whether it is on the first date, second, third, etc.

ps: I'm not a regular poster at all, but seeing as it's been kind of slow around here lately and few people posting, I thought I'd chime in

 

[The Tool]

this pertains to dates/day interactions without alcholol or drug involvement-To be honest the Key component is not the framing, escalation, or logistics, The key componenent (s) I have found is on the conversation and the way you present yourself during the date/interaction. You have to be smooth, sexy, genuine, cool,and a bit of a smartass. But most importantly you have to make her feel like she has a connection to you through deep diving. You could do all the sexual framing in the world, and have solid logistics but if you do not connect and make the interaction smooth and not awkward. You will go nowhere. so in essence EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT for they directly lead into eachother (relating to connection, to framing, to knowing when to make a move, to escalation to addressing objections, to completeing the deed, but the icing on the cake is relateing and sharing a connection.


At a party with drinking and drugs the keys are framing and escalation. but I stay away from picking up girls there. personal choice. (although I do partake in drinking and the substances from time to time)

Cheers, The Tool

 

[Jay]

Gotta say logistics.

Everything is almost equally important, but without a place to go, things instantly become much harder. Later in the game the actual place starts to matter less and less, but still; the more logistical options you have the better your chances are of sex.

 

[trashKENNUT]

As I check out more and more of this site, I think that the most valuable part may be the field reports section, mostly because it covers all elements of seduction. My biggest question for people who post there regularly is: What is the biggest game changer between a FR and a LR? To clarify, I mean what is the single most important thing that helps you have sex with a girl when you go out on a date? Logistics, successful framing, escalation... etc.

I think this is the most hardest thing to grasp, but as corny as this is, it is Intention. You need to move things forward, and you can handle logistics, but things can go awry and not go according to plan.

and when you don't have an intention, that is having sex with her, you will get caught up in the events, and nothing happens. really. Logistics still important, though.

Zac

 

[Jay]

when you don't have an intention, that is having sex with her, you will get caught up in the events, and nothing happens. really.

Too right. I was thinking mechanics of seduction when I said logistics. Mentally, intention is by far the most important aspect of seduction. If you go out saying "whatever, I might get laid, I might not, I don't really care.", 9 out of 10 times, (unless you preset a FB or FWB) you won't. You gotta want it.

 

[Tyme2k]

I think intention can even be taken a step further into conveying your intentions. I have failed in the past from not conveying my intentions clearly. Every time I do success!