What's your perspective on BF disqualification in 2025?

[Atlas IV]

There's been a bit of discussion recently around how certain seduction techniques are becoming less effective with Gen Z, which seems to be trending towards serial monogamy moreso than in the recent past.

I have mixed thoughts about boyfriend disqualification. Obviously it's a core part of seduction that enables rapid escalation. Without it, it's an uphill battle getting out of the "potential boyfriend" category and putting yourself in the "lover" category.

At the same time, I feel like there are girls of this generation who will lose interest if you completely disqualify yourself - at least in my recent experience with young Gen Z girls. As we've discussed, hook-up culture is rapidly changing, social skills are deteriorating, and mainstream values are trending towards conservative.

Perhaps the key is to strike a balance - disqualifying yourself while simultaneously projecting the possibility of a future relationship if it turns out you share the right chemistry (and, crucially, explaining that this chemistry exists on three levels - the social, emotional, and sexual).

What do you think about this, gents?

 

[Skills]

There's been a bit of discussion recently around how certain seduction techniques are becoming less effective with Gen Z, which seems to be trending towards serial monogamy moreso than in the recent past.

I have mixed thoughts about boyfriend disqualification. Obviously it's a core part of seduction that enables rapid escalation. Without it, it's an uphill battle getting out of the "potential boyfriend" category and putting yourself in the "lover" category.

At the same time, I feel like there are girls of this generation who will lose interest if you completely disqualify yourself - at least in my recent experience with young Gen Z girls. As we've discussed, hook-up culture is rapidly changing, social skills are deteriorating, and mainstream values are trending towards conservative.

Perhaps the key is to strike a balance - disqualifying yourself while simultaneously projecting the possibility of a future relationship if it turns out you share the right chemistry (and, crucially, explaining that this chemistry exists on three levels - the social, emotional, and sexual).

What do you think about this, gents?

you still want to bed them fast, as fast as possible, but while doing that you want to sub bf possibility potential, but is more important post lay tbh... you just don't want to cause auto rejection comming across to loverish/playerish with most gen z

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^ i would but bump all the way to 40% even 50%, the % bf possibility... you just don't want to do too much like 90

 

[Bismarck]

This is an interesting discussion.

Now more than ever it has become socially less acceptable for girls to be in FB relationships or "situationships", even if it's never been easier to fuck them fast (LMR and ASD have all but disappeared due to the Great Sluttening brought about by optical fiber internet making pornography ubiquitous and the attendant hyper-sexualization of the youth. Social media (Instagram is basically OnlyFans light (cred. Orion Taraban) also played a role).

I've suffered pushback for stating black and white that I wasn't looking for anything serious. On the other hand, telling girls that I am open to it while also clarifying that you can have different types of connections and that the cart can't proverbially be placed before the horse (aka the organic way is to start casual) by highlighting that sexual compatibility is paramount has mostly worked.

 

[TomInHo]

I remember seeing this in a Good Looking Loser article that was made I think almost over a decade ago

In the article Chris talked about 3 archetypes of guys

1) Scumbag: This is the guy that gets sex very fast. Of all the types he tends to get sex the fastest because he is sexy and women want to use him just for sex. From his vibe alone they know he will be a fantastic lay

Problem with this guy is for whateva reason women don't want to settle down or build a future with him

So his retention tends to suck

2) Good Guy/ Boyfriend Potential: This guy is similar to the scumbag but he has a bit more depth to him. Women know he is probably a player but he has so many other good qualities that they are willing to risk pursuing a relationship with him.

He is cool and healthy challenge to women

They fantasize about meeting this type of guy and seducing him into a relationship. Women know he is in demand so tend to value him highly

Problem with this type is sometimes he can show too much boyfriend potential upfront and girls might make him wait for sex for a few dates. But he still fucks them relatively quickly (within 2 - 3 dates) because girls know if they don't put out they will lose access to his value

He also tends to have the best retention and relationship control of all the sub types

3) Nice Guy/Boyfriend Material: This is the stereotypical nice guy. He is not sexy at all and pretty boring. Also has weird views about sex and women don't really see him a sexual being

This is the guy that has no awareness of social dynamics or power games when dealing with women. He tends to fall in love very quickly, sometimes even before sex and puts women on a pedestal

To sum it up... he is too easy... he is not a challenge and bores women to death. They will tend to settle with a guy like this when their attempts to rope a good guy into a relationship has failed

Of all the types he is the least sexually successful and has a high probability of getting with a woman that controls the relationship dynamic because he is clueless

Ending Thoughts

When I read that article it made a lot of sense and I think most content on seduction is teaching guys how to channel more scumbag traits. Because most guys that resonate with the content are recovering nice guys and may need to go extreme first to understand the variances in sexual dynamics and destroy limiting beliefs around sex

But in reality it's more of a spectrum and I personally feel all guys should also learn how to switch between Scumbag and Good Guy archetypes. That will give you the highest batting average to close more girls consistently IMO even if some might take slightly longer

The reality is that for women Boyfriend Potential is higher status and can generate more long term compliance than a Scumbag or Nice Guy

 

[Marty]

This is the guy that has no awareness of social dynamics or power games when dealing with women. He tends to fall in love very quickly, sometimes even before sex and puts women on a pedestal

@TomInHo what‘s the best way to avoid having no awareness of social dynamics or power games when dealing with women? A lot of what you wrote resonates with me, especially the part about falling in love very quickly, sometimes even before sex.

 

[TomInHo]

@TomInHo what‘s the best way to avoid having no awareness of social dynamics or power games when dealing with women?

This site does an amazing job on teaching social awareness when it comes to dating. But for the lessons to sink in you have to go out in the field and practice getting a girl from Hi to Bang

At first, some advice might feel counterintuitive, but pushing through this discomfort will help you re-wire your brain and break old habits.

A lot of what you wrote resonates with me, especially the part about falling in love very quickly, sometimes even before sex.

The falling in love quick thing tends to come from inexperience. Especially when you're not used to regular female attention or sex

This lack of experience can lead to emotional attachment too soon and cause you to build fantasies around women you're pursuing

To break free from this, self-awareness is crucial. Recognize it as a real problem, and promise yourself you won’t chase, over-invest, or open up emotionally to someone who hasn’t earned it

For me, a girl doesn’t truly 'exist' in the context of a deeper connection until we've slept together. Before that, she’s just a stranger, and I don’t invest in people who don’t invest in me.

Even after sex, it's still important to show restraint and let her take the lead in pushing for a relationship

Your job is to remain attractive and let her worry about all the bonding and pushing for anything serious. To progress things all you need to do is reward her efforts and let her slowly enter your world... but only when she has shown genuine interest in doing so

The most attractive women want to feel like they’ve earned a man’s commitment, and holding back until she proves her investment makes sure that when the connection does deepen, it’s mutual and not rushed.