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When plausible deniability doesn't help with persistence

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Had an insta-date yesterday and I think I ran a tight game. @Will_V had some troubleshooting tips in one of the posts and incorporated them quite well. But she threw a curve ball and couldn't recover from it when I tried bouncing home.
I had seeded the bounce, right in the beginning saying, I'll show you my drawings sometime and she replied "sounds good". I brought up this topic a couple of times and she was compliant. However, when I tried to bounce saying "let's go and see my drawings", she backed off saying "she'll meet me another time". It didn't make sense to me to persist to show MY drawings which she wasn't interested in seeing. I read a few articles about this on GC and the summary of all of those articles are plausible deniability is indeed just plausible. In one of the articles, Chase mentions about his Chinese souvenirs as a plausible deniability to bounce her home. But if she's not interested in seeing it, how does it make sense to persist. If her ASD caused resistance and if I address those concerns with comfort and sex-talk etc, still it doesn't make logical sense for her to accept the reason to come home with me when she wasn't interested in seeing/doing it just a few mins ago. So if I persist when she clearly isn't interest in doing/seeing, it comes across as weird. Btw, it can be anything:
- Showing drawings/paintings
- great view from balcony
- exotic wine collection
- playing guitar
.. etc

Am I missing something here?
 

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Tribal Elder
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Had an insta-date yesterday and I think I ran a tight game. @Will_V had some troubleshooting tips in one of the posts and incorporated them quite well. But she threw a curve ball and couldn't recover from it when I tried bouncing home.
I had seeded the bounce, right in the beginning saying, I'll show you my drawings sometime and she replied "sounds good". I brought up this topic a couple of times and she was compliant. However, when I tried to bounce saying "let's go and see my drawings", she backed off saying "she'll meet me another time". It didn't make sense to me to persist to show MY drawings which she wasn't interested in seeing. I read a few articles about this on GC and the summary of all of those articles are plausible deniability is indeed just plausible. In one of the articles, Chase mentions about his Chinese souvenirs as a plausible deniability to bounce her home. But if she's not interested in seeing it, how does it make sense to persist. If her ASD caused resistance and if I address those concerns with comfort and sex-talk etc, still it doesn't make logical sense for her to accept the reason to come home with me when she wasn't interested in seeing/doing it just a few mins ago. So if I persist when she clearly isn't interest in doing/seeing, it comes across as weird. Btw, it can be anything:
- Showing drawings/paintings
- great view from balcony
- exotic wine collection
- playing guitar
.. etc

Am I missing something here?
Plausible deniability is missunderstood is when the girl is clearly ready to be pulled and is obvious to her a way to make it easy for her, is not a influence/sales action but a SAVE FACE action.... I just banged a girl saying when i was dropping her off in the middle of the night if she will invite me over for coffee for example.... My point is it does not matter, the most i use is "follow me" "the second most i use lets go to the after party(no after party is my house)" third one i use the most is invite me over, 4th one is "i need to use the bathroom".... Again is not a persuasion tactic is a save face after the persuasion has been completed.... Exhibit:



^ obviously the dude in the video autistic, he did not know she was asking him for sex...she realized he is an autist, game over....
 
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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Again is not a persuasion tactic is a save face after the persuasion has been completed.... Exhibit:
What if I miscalibrated her readiness to bounce? Let's say she wasn't warmed up yet and I suggested to bounce to go see something. If she retracts saying she'll come another time, should I still persist? Cos after this point if I try to persist, it'll come across as weird. Asking her to see my paintings or whatever that is...
 

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Tribal Elder
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What if I miscalibrated her readiness to bounce? Let's say she wasn't warmed up yet and I suggested to bounce to go see something. If she retracts saying she'll come another time, should I still persist? Cos after this point if I try to persist, it'll come across as weird. Asking her to see my paintings or whatever that is...
When she agree for the painting she had no pressure... when it was time to see the painting the context is sex if she agreed, she was not ready, so you are correct, she was not ready for sex, so you plowing on the painting wrong strategy, backing off and arousing to get her to the point of compliance, investment snd arousal then painting aka sex to save face the move, but better move is to calibrate for her readiness and williness for compliance to bounce...
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Looks like I'm inching towards the pussy :LOL:
I just returned from another insta-date and brought the girl until the apartment door and she backed off. We went to the park next to my apartment and talked for nearly 1.5 hrs but she kept saying she feels scared to go to a stranger's apartment after meeting him for 2 hours. She was super super cute. Damn! I used all weapons in my arsenal and talked and talked and talked but she didn't agree to come inside. I don't know what would've made her comfortable really. I empathized with her and tried comforting a lot but she didn't want to come inside. I said to her, if you want to leave, you can leave but I'm not hugging you or seeing you off but she wouldn't leave without me doing that. She kept saying that you want to have sex and I don't want to do that. I kept saying, when did I say I want to have sex? She kept saying, I know you want to. I was teasing her saying that she's already thinking of sex and I just wanted to spend time with her. It went on for a looong time and finally I asked her, don't you like spending time with me? She said No. I don't think I should've asked this but I thought she'd say yes and then again I can build on top of that. Anyway, when she said no, I said alright then there's no point in me wanting us to spend time together. You can leave. She again asked me to hug her before she leaves and finally I gave in and she left after a hug. I think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong in this step. Can someone please point out (I don't mind writing a field report with every word that we spoke, if that helps but honestly I'm tired of writing these failure reports). Damn! This is girl no.5 in nearly just one month who was almost there and missed it due to LMR.

What I'm seriously confused about is,
1. With online dating, girls go to guys' place all the time and have sex like no big deal. What is so different with day game? Why the fuck are they so scared?
2. I didn't want to think about my past success anymore but before COVID, girls that I've brought home were never so resistant. What has changed?
 
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