When to eject from conversation during opening phase

[barneystin]

I think my biggest issue right now when I game at night is that I have these conversations where it feels like I'm putting in all the effort to drive the conversation in the opening phase and I end up feeling like I'm chasing and getting in my head. Usually these conversations start with a compliment opener which they might respond well to followed up with rapport-building questions like "where are you from?", "what do you major in?". I personally find these questions boring, especially when they don't reflect the same energy. After this, what happens is that I continue asking more questions and trying to get to know them (I make sure not to make it an interview and actually respond to their answers) but it just feels like I'm chasing since the vibe is purely social(even when I inject a flirty comment) and they're not putting in as much effort.
I've also tried using hooking techniques like intrigue, baits, cold reads etc but it feels like I'm trying too hard especially when it's early in the conversation or it doesn't hit right away. I might get some good reactions in the moment but it doesn't seem to benefit the seduction process.

I've been struggling with my seductions feeling one-sided for a while now and I'm trying to have more mutual seductions where the girl is actually putting some effort to close me/escalate with me. I get these but it's usually with girls who I suspect are super friendly with everyone or are just dtf (not complaining but I do want my skills to get better).

What I've started doing recently is abandoning sets as soon as they start to feel one-sided. I've even reduced my opening rate and only focus on girls who show me some type of approach invitation (usually eye contact or hovering or straight up opening me). These conversations feel a little bit more mutual but I just wanted to confirm that I'm on the right path?

 

[Will_V]

I think my biggest issue right now when I game at night is that I have these conversations where it feels like I'm putting in all the effort to drive the conversation in the opening phase and I end up feeling like I'm chasing and getting in my head. Usually these conversations start with a compliment opener which they might respond well to followed up with rapport-building questions like "where are you from?", "what do you major in?". I personally find these questions boring, especially when they don't reflect the same energy. After this, what happens is that I continue asking more questions and trying to get to know them (I make sure not to make it an interview and actually respond to their answers) but it just feels like I'm chasing since the vibe is purely social(even when I inject a flirty comment) and they're not putting in as much effort.
I've also tried using hooking techniques like intrigue, baits, cold reads etc but it feels like I'm trying too hard especially when it's early in the conversation or it doesn't hit right away. I might get some good reactions in the moment but it doesn't seem to benefit the seduction process.

I've been struggling with my seductions feeling one-sided for a while now and I'm trying to have more mutual seductions where the girl is actually putting some effort to close me/escalate with me. I get these but it's usually with girls who I suspect are super friendly with everyone or are just dtf (not complaining but I do want my skills to get better).

What I've started doing recently is abandoning sets as soon as they start to feel one-sided. I've even reduced my opening rate and only focus on girls who show me some type of approach invitation (usually eye contact or hovering or straight up opening me). These conversations feel a little bit more mutual but I just wanted to confirm that I'm on the right path?

Your nonverbals establish the initial frame of the approach. When you end up in a pure social interactions it's usually because nonverbals are weak or not conveying anything evocative.

Subtle things that improve nonverbals:

- Moving slowly and gracefully
- Strong eye contact
- Pauses that let tension grow
- Cat-that-ate-the-canary grin
- Moving your body in and out of her space
- Lingering touch

The key is she has to feel something going on underneath the conversation.

Also, make sure you steer the conversation quickly toward evocative topics, rather than factual ones.

 

[barneystin]

Your nonverbals establish the initial frame of the approach. When you end up in a pure social interactions it's usually because nonverbals are weak or not conveying anything evocative.

Subtle things that improve nonverbals:

- Moving slowly and gracefully
- Strong eye contact
- Pauses that let tension grow
- Cat-that-ate-the-canary grin
- Moving your body in and out of her space
- Lingering touch

The key is she has to feel something going on underneath the conversation.

Also, make sure you steer the conversation quickly toward evocative topics, rather than factual ones.

Looking back, a lot of my conversations after opening do feel like I’m trying to rush to the hook point instead of maybe communicating intent and building that tension with eye contact.
Thanks for the tip!

 

[DonGately]

Finding your niche helps with this. As a well-dressed older man who enjoys the company of smart, sexy women it is very easy for me to communicate intent [even if indirectly most of the time to start] and get to the hook point to see if she's down. I'm honest about who/what I am and they see that and respond one way or the other but usually a positive response, even if it ends up not leading anywhere.

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

I'm at the second level of my seduction process, if you look at one date method. The first one would be having sex with everybody who's already pre-approved, like a credit card. The second one is whoever needs arousal, and the third would be whoever needs connection first. Now I'm basically primed to show everybody that I would give him a very good time, and I'm a sexual man, right on approach. I've just started doing that, so I don't know the right amount of calibration, whatever will scare them off, or hook them. But in that state of communicating sexual intent it feels very out of place to start telling her where I work or having a long conversations about what her plans for the future are. I will discuss her dreams, What feelings she strives for, but I will interrupt her and tell her how beautiful her eyes are because I'm staring right at them