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ElderPrice

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The question:
You read the GC material. You believe it. You know that you have to come across as a lover and not a provider. So you try to do as the articles suggest to the best of your abilities. Yet, seemingly wherever you go and whatever you do, your vibe says boyfriend. Not referring to after 10 minutes of conversation. But the initial impression. You've tried compensating in conversation by disqualifying yourself as a boyfriend, by setting chase frames, by taking topics sexual, etc. But they seemingly aren't enough to overcome the first impression you're giving off. Assuming it's true your vibe is screaming boyfriend, what could that indicate you're doing wrong regarding that initial impression vibe?

The reason why I'm personally asking in case you're wondering:
Was hanging with some friends recently. One of them is around 40 and does well with women in the sense that he gets laid a lot. Appearance wise, we dress basically the same except he has tattoos. Anyway, we were talking and he said something I've never heard before. He said my vibe SCREAMS boyfriend. I ran this by some other friends and they didn't quite agree, but they aren't experts either. So in any event, it had me thinking. Not because he said my vibe is a little boyfriendy, but because he said it was a very strong boyfriend vibe. Interesting food for thought.
 

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Assuming it's true your vibe is screaming boyfriend, what could that indicate you're doing wrong regarding that initial impression vibe?

You've tried compensating in conversation by disqualifying yourself as a boyfriend, by setting chase frames, by taking topics sexual, etc. But they seemingly aren't enough to overcome the first impression you're giving off

By disqualifying yourself, setting chase frames, you implying that you are not the sexy man.

Get it? ;)

Obviously this is mindset. Ok Zac. Get the fuck outta here.

Now here's the extras.

Up your sex appeal like you noted but....
There are women who will just not budge and keep you linear for the boyfriend route. Just do date compression.

And don't be her boyfriend :) after a night of sexual rumble.

Which most men will do. Afterall, Women are themselves a sales funnel. Women do an excellent job at this.
 

Mondo

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My friend wants to change '"dick" from an insult to a compliment.

An asshole shits on people. No one likes that. It smells. Fuck that asshole.

A dick however, is life giving, firm in his convictions, and gives pleasure for his own pleasure. Not mention he's real about his vunerablility (got those senstive balls right there).

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Have you read up on the Girlschase on being a nice guy/asshole/lover/boyfriend? I was going to write up some stuff, but that is definitely the stuff to read up on first.

Few quick pointers though,

What is it that YOU want to do. Are you giving yourself permission to do what you want without too much of a filter?

When women thinking about being alone with you, do they think "if we're alone, something is definitely going to happen".

How's your fashion? Facial hair? You can add some sexy edge with fashion and hitting the gym for some muscles. You should be hitting the gym anyway! Many game and health benefits: mood boost, testosterone, sexy girls at the gym, looking good, etc.

Are you playful and flirty? Do you tease girls in a fun way and treat them like they're silly.

Do you take the lead and get compliance?

Some food for thought here, but there are a TON of great articles on this topic here. Even if you've read some, I doubt you've read them all because there are a lot. Worth combing through them, especially any by Chase or Hector.
 

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ElderPrice

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May I summarize the bulk of the replies here as 'fix your mindset, then that will reflect itself in your first impression'? A very true statement. But as you're working on that, are there any little tricks you can do immediately to tone back a boyfriend, first impression vibe?
 

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@ElderPrince,

Read this article, if you haven't:


Also, odds are you need to break rapport more. One of the big differences between dicks and boyfriends is boyfriends continually try to build/maintain rapport (because they're swell guys and don't want girls to feel at all uncomfortable), while dicks enjoy breaking it for a laugh (then reeling girls back in before they auto-reject):


Chase
 

ElderPrice

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@ElderPrince,

Read this article, if you haven't:


Also, odds are you need to break rapport more. One of the big differences between dicks and boyfriends is boyfriends continually try to build/maintain rapport (because they're swell guys and don't want girls to feel at all uncomfortable), while dicks enjoy breaking it for a laugh (then reeling girls back in before they auto-reject):


Chase
Thanks Chase. These are also tips for conversation. What if the 'first impression' I'm talking about is more so appearance? Not like I'm dressing like a yuppie or anything. Maybe imagine one who, dress-wise, looks like a lover, but their body language somehow says boyfriend, even before talking to a girl. Does this just mean they have some kind of look on their face - a chasing look, or a nice guy look - something like that?

Or my friend's comment could just be nonsense :p
 

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. Assuming it's true your vibe is screaming boyfriend, what could that indicate you're doing wrong regarding that initial impression vibe?

This post is so rich in its complexity, it's hard to pick one angle.

On the practical tip, boyfriend vibe is attractive and not exciting.

Exciting comes from how much unpredictability a man exhibits, and his willingness to have people dislike him.
He doesn't care who he offends, and doesn't apologize when people are offended. He might change his behavior for true hurt, but there's a possibility that he won't.

Tattoos (mohawks, beards, fast cars, motorcycles, extreme sports, MMA, etc) plus some vocalized/evident bravado is exciting to the girl.

In the 90's/early 00's - having a tribal tattoo was "edgy".
Nowadays, a guy needs to look like he's in MS13 to look edgy.

I find a lot of guys in our community, would rather be a sleeper Volvo with an engine swap rather than a "fast looking" v6 mustang. A Honda Civic Type R is faster than a Ferrari 250 GT. Performance is more important than looks.

That's the top layer of it. Boyfriends look fine but boring.

The more important layer is what the guy says and does, how he reacts to others, and how they react to him.

If you're a go with the flow kind of guy, don't rock the boat, don't challenge the social dynamics 100% of the time - you can look like a biker, but in reality we know you're still an accountant at heart.

Young/Hot/Delusional Old/Fat/Ugly Girls like guys that are not well adapted to society. They dislike guys that they can predict.

Indeed, as men, many think they prefer the cute librarian to the Loud and Sexy Vamp. Our actions betray us.

As a guide to getting out of the NormCore Style
- change your dress
- change your hobbies
- that changes your mindset
- that changes your nonverbal behavior
- that changes your vibe.

Ideally a man could just change his mindset, but in practice, he needs to change his external behavior to really change his mind.

Guys that start MMA or rock climbing or meditation - those conscious and external decisions cause him to do new things, have nex experiences, think new thoughts, take on new memories, have new perspectives, and that changes how he thinks about the world. Once he changes how he thinks about the world, his nonverbal behavior changes as well.

This isn't some standard PUA hocus pocus. Going to bootcamp, going to war, going to college, traveling - all of those new experiences, change your outlook and that changes your vibe.

In my experience, That's how you fix a vibe.

WIA
 
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West_Indian_Archie

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The above isn't as nicely organized and formatted as I would like, cause it's an off the cuff answer.

That in mind, fixing your "vibe" in set is difficult. If you come at the chick high energy and full of jokes, and the chick despite her visuals, is actually a bit of an academic type, it can be difficult to reach her when she makes a rash decision. Not impossible, as this is the game, but you're giving yourself an obstacle that you can avoid.

Regular guys like to say, "Let's start over" or "I was just playing/messing around"

These are things i like to say to calibrate later in the set, but if the first 5 minutes is Mr. Hyde, I don't want to go back to Dr Jekyll.

Fixing your vibe before the night starts? A good hack for that is your pre-game ritual.

For me, my style of game is intrigue (Why did he say that, why did he react that way, what does he know, what does he think, what does he think about me). Other guys have a more fun and jokes vibe. Other guys want to exude sex. These are all personal decisions. I personally don't think any is better than any other.

My style screen out girls that I want. It will screen in girls that I don't want.
Whatever type of game you pick, there are tradeoffs. The tradeoff I'm not willing to make is my own peace of mind. I prefer to be mostly consistent with my life, rather than be over flexible. And that's from experience of trying to get with every girl I came across. Often times, the squeeze wasn't worth the juice.

That said, to get the vibe, I have a ritual
- Put on some music that I like (clubs these days play stuff I don't like)
- Shower and groom myself
- Lay out the clothes, Look at the cologne, Enjoy the process of getting ready
- Quick run down of my logistics - How I'm gonna get there, where I'm going, what I going to do, plan B, and escape plans when I make the connection

That gets me ready. This isn't new tech at all. Richard Gere does this in the Gigolo, and I think any competent PUA guide talks about this. I mention it because you're asking about how to fix your nonverbal communication/your broadcast signal. This is a way to do it.

Any type of ritual will give you a quick fix for any given night.

And using ritual is common in human culture.
  • Skateboarders like to watch skate videos before they go out
  • Basketball players will watch highlights.
  • Maybe you have a youtube playlist of Hank Moody and Craig Ferguson.

Doing these things before you go out, maybe on a regular basis, allows you to get into the vibe you want to be in. It helps you perform as you consciously and unconsciously and subconsciously model what you see.

These are short term fixes, but the long terms stuff is above.

And one last thing, you don't have to "fix" your vibe, per se.

Don't Change.

Pick up, seduction, Game - all of these are means to an end. We engage in behaviors to attract, build trust, and ultimately hook up with girls. And depending on her performance, personality, and behavior, we decide to keep her in our lives.

We can get to this end goal, of getting and keeping the girl in our lives, via screening rather than changing our behavior to facilitate this. And given how fickle girls as a population, much less any particular woman, not changing your vibe is an attractive option.

Or put more simply, you can be the nice guy/boring boyfriend type, step up to women, give them a shot, and then dismiss them for not meeting your behavioral standards. You know your value, and you don't like her vibe.

So if I come at broad, straight up, and realize she's a bird - i'll dismiss her and not care that I didn't get sample her attention. This is not false disqualification to build attraction, or as a test to see if she's cooperating. If the chick smokes cigarettes, it's over. I'm NOT interested in attracting her. Go smell up someone else's sheets.

In some cases, a notable minority, playing "hardball" will actually get the girl to change her behavior to get your attention. But hardball is not a reliable tactic to get attraction or convert, not these days when women have plenty of more appealing options. So don't use hardball as some sort of tactic to pull the girl.

For me to be dismissive, I need to be okay with taking a loss (missing out on a great girl, or great sex), I need to be okay with having boundaries, and most of all I need to talk to a lot of women.

A man needs literal abundance of women in his life. Like his education, work, or hobby life is full of attractive women, and he has the social dynamics working in his favor.

For guys that spend a lot of time alone, or at work, this is a bad strategy. It's like me boycotting Ferrari. I'm not even on Ferrari's radar. Now if I was an Arab Sheikh....

Guys that say they have this sort of "love me or leave me alone" stance, usually do not back it up with the necessary action.
  • They aren't meeting women.
  • They let the few women that don't meet their standards into their lives.
  • They change a bit in order to accommodate the girl.
  • And worst of all, they don't dismiss when the woman breaks their standards.

They say one thing, but are too scared or too lazy to actually make that a reality.

So keep this stuff in mind when you're dealing with girls and guys that want to "change" you.

It's one thing when you are playing the role that society wants you to play. When you are stifling yourself. Sometimes there's a wolf inside of you that you want to let out.

It's another thing, If you are being yourself, and you want to change for you. You want to be someone else. The boy becomes the man.

And then there are guys that want to change for something external. And that's fine too. I need to be assertive here, because there's this thing i want more.

But don't let anyone force you into changing. It has to be a proactive choice.
Otherwise, guys find themselves reacting and losing sight over the end goal.

At the gig, we were talking about our names and nicknames. What our parents called us, and what our friends call us. The focus turned to a cat that I liked and respected. He said he CHOSE his name. He went to the court house and picked the name that he wanted to call himself, not what others decided for him.

Had me online looking up name changes. But I like Archie, lol

WIA
 

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Guys that start MMA or rock climbing or meditation - those conscious and external decisions cause him to do new things, have nex experiences, think new thoughts, take on new memories, have new perspectives, and that changes how he thinks about the world. Once he changes how he thinks about the world, his nonverbal behavior changes as well.

This isn't some standard PUA hocus pocus. Going to bootcamp, going to war, going to college, traveling - all of those new experiences, change your outlook and that changes your vibe.

In my experience, That's how you fix a vibe.

WIA

I strong second this.. I have experienced first hand how my own mimicry and behavior has changed and thus also my vibe by drastically new (often hard)/testy previously unexplored experiences.

I recall chase also haven written this in one of his articles about how the military man or entrepeneur gets a boost in charisma. I do think the harsher/more intense experience has more of an effect than something relatively as breezy as college life though.
 
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