Why I believe that women are women regardless on how you meet, (my basic view on women part 1)

[Skills]

Context.-

Since I joined the community....I had to fight ridiculous things such as: "dance floor is a trap" "text to meet only" "fuck women on the first night no matter what or game over" "talk on the dance floor" "don't physically escalate till closing location" "After 30 is over and you will never get laid unless you got money or status" "women from clubs are low quality and total trash" "humor does not work for seduction" "wait 3 days to text her" "I don't get how Justin Wayne is getting laid with reds, i was screaming that he was a fraud and made a post, on the forum about this before the scandal" "looks don't matter" "to go clubs you need drugs and/or alcohol" "game is bullshit is mostly luck", "women on day game likely to have lower count than any other game styles" and on and on, that people looked at me in the past with disgust and i constantly have to deal with shit like this even in the present....


-So i will give you a practical view of women and how they really are and how they operate (i am 46 and i have been pimping since moses had diapers in all type of games SUCCESSFULLY), and the type of relationship with every girl is super difficult on their end, it is a lot of power on my part "how high you want to jump on their parts" every relationship set up, every type of girl, every type of look, though my preference is and always have been pawg(phat ass white girls/porno looking type girls), i date all type of women and demographics.


First as much as red pillers, black piller, tradcom and even a few seducers view women, is all distorted and off in my experience/opinion and i don't know what the fuck they are talking about.... Usually the problem is that what they are doing is trying to find excuses for their lack of success with the ladies or relationships:

Red pillers- blame lack of success due to women nature.

black pillers- blame lack of success due to generics

tradcom- blame lack of success due to "modern society" and want to go back to the stone ages.

Some seducers- Try to find ways of lack of getting the success in the relationships "lay count" "personality disorders" and the likes....


^ what happens is these type of mentality nitpick and exaggerate on the "worst case scenarios type of situations" like iraq has weapons of mass destructions ready to attack the USA. The problem has never been women but the dude.

A good seducer/lover, you will never hear complain about none of that shit, ever, ever... is business as usual, so let me teach you basics practical stuff about women does not matter online, day game, night game, churh, japan, latin america, north korea i don't care women are women...

So women are not static beings... in other words they go through different changes and stages on their life (i highly recommend the book, the women brain)... Most dudes are pretty much the same dude and they barely change... There is a saying:"he hoped she stayed the same" "she hoped he changed" when it comes specially to break ups... The changes are due to many factors but in short the main 2 are hormones and life stages... Life stages is the primary changing factor... A girl at 18 is a different stage that a girl at 28 for example and different at 38 etc.., totally different life views, totally different goals, total different strategies etc...But i don't want to ramble on that his is not what the post is about... (just a short point)...

There are also not static physical feelings that gets a bit complicated:

some women have lower sex drive.- they can take or leave sex... Obviously unfortunately not much i can say about these girls, cause i have no much experience since i screen them out or they don't make it (trauma, religious hang ups etc.. minority of cases)... This can also be circumstantial(majority of cases), she does not feel it for you and she does not want to have sex with you... (ex.-sexless marriage)... This is stuff seducers should not really worry about, but i am talking about practical view on women)...

-most women have normal sex drives.-

-a few women have higher sex drives...


^ now sex drive DOES NOT EQUAL CHEATING.... In other words a lot of guys will assume high sex drive = cheating, but not necessarily, normal sex drive or no sex drive = no cheating... Again no necessarily the case... For example a low sex drive women that is a result of reaching a relationship breaking point is more likely to cheat than a high sex women that has onitis on a seducer. Cheating is overrated, it does happens, on the way out/planning escape stages with SOME WOMEN, guy became betasized, she had enough, revenge, dude not attractive enough etc... but not all women cheat and all women can cheat regardless of lay count... Is important to open them up and screen cause cheating is not determined by lay count, but the main thing that will determined cheating is THE HISTORY OF CHEATING.... I have dated high lay count girls that will not cheat on me with Bradd pitt, i have dated low count girls that cheated on me (at the end of relationship/way out) low lay count girls, that had a history of doing similar toward the end of previous relationship (and i knew this was a possibility all along, ex. my 10 year ex)...

So we covered sex drive and we cover life stages now lets cover the different type of girls again not static, a normal girl today can be a promiscuous girl tomorrow and a promiscuous girl tomorrow can become a normal girl:

Normal girl.- majority of women.

temp promiscuous.-a girl that sleeps with a lot of guys while pretending to be exclusive monogamous. Minority of women, usually happens with a minority of women after they reach breaking point of the relationship or planning escape and not all women will do this like is exaggerated by the red pill etc...

promiscuous girl or a girl that go through stages of sleeping around.- Again in my experience is not as exaggerated as red pillers and some guys make it out to be i will explain how this work... Minority of women as well.


- here is were things get complicated, cause some women will treat different guys, in different ways, for example a girl can date 2 different guys and treat and behave with those 2 guys in totally different ways.... But here is how it usually happens with a majority of women regardless medium of how you meet them, i am not talking about outliers (sexual freaks more on them later), hoochie mamas (can be white girls pretending to be ghetto, not only black girls), chongas (a latin low class ghetto/gansta wanna be from the hood), escorts/prostitutes,bdsm/hard core emos/swinger lifestyle girls.... I am talking most of the girls you guys will meet in this forum regardless of game style, if is the above you will automatically know by online/social media profile and during banter ( i left on purpose only fans, cam girls, strippers out, ig girls etc... cause i will cover in a bit.)

hunting/dating stages: Usually profile goes up if online, posting in social media for some increase a lot, some will go out with friends to night venues (not necessarily clubs, clubs is not night game, clubs is a night game medium, i will make a post on this later, don't want to go into that here):

lets take girl A.. (a girl that maybe goes to clubs every once in a blue moon, most girls don't go out to clubs every weekend(majority of women really don't) they are not club rats/regulars ( which is a minority of women), again:

- Here they start talking to multiple prospect/ cause BELIEVE IT OR NOT SNL/ONS ARE RARE AND NOT THE NORM NOW A DAYS IN NIGHT GAME, I AM NOT TALKING VEGAS(if not the lr sections of every forum will be filled with lay reports).- SECOND, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING SLEEPING WITH EVERY PROSPECT LIKE VIRGIN RED PILLERS LET YOU BELIEVE.- let me give you an example lets say and i will super exaggerate she met 5 guys on a night and gave 5 numbers(super exaggerated example, women don't get approach that much if at all), 2 guys will never contact her, 2 will fuck it up with ridiculous texting/low odds behavior maybe 1 will make it on a date, that dude that make it on a date maybe or may not sleep with her....

- ^ now lets assume she lost interest

-rinse wash repeat.- (went to club, 5 numbers blah blah) But in the second round lets say she went out on a date, and really liked the guy, lets assume the dude got some game and fucked her (unlikely trust me on this), now she either did not like the sex, or if he got to fuck her he probably is one of us (guys that get women, usually does keep fucking the most women) or he got "lucky" and got NEEDY/ONITIS. That is one possibility, lets call it possibility a.

possibility b.- the dude fucked her, and that was it, or lets assume he locked her in after 3 fucks or a connection/pair bond.

- if he locked her in even temporarily, she will not be going around sleeping with other guys, she may talk to other guys and keep them as orbiters, but ras(reticular activation system) is on the locked in guy...

- if she got fucked and dumped, she will stop frequenting or not go clubbing for a while, or if she does, same stuff happens (rinse wash repeat) until dude gets locked in, then she stops going out for duration of relationship most of the time...(the MAJORITY OF WOMEN, DON'T GO TO CLUBS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, NONE SENSE like puas do, is a projection).

NOTE.- there is are subset group of cultural differences, some latin women love to dance for example, they are likely to go to clubs more, but they will go with female/gay friends they will not cheat, a girl going to a club that is taking does not translate into hunting or cheating, again unless post breaking point is over stages, but again more of a factor history of cheating vs game style....

Lets talk about online dating, is very similar but WORST FOR HER:

-after a break up, she activates a dating account lets say tinder or bumble or okkupid, or match ( a few women try different apps, but most of them try one or another that they had success with)

- she will get 100s to 1000 matches, messages, etc... most of the guys are unattractive will not get a response, a VERY FEW, will make it, from those very few they will fuck it up in the texting, 1 will reach a date, in the date THEY WILL NOT SLEEP WITH THEM, it is exhausting and annoying to them, specially if she wasted her time...

- the ones that make it are usually FUCK BOYS (us), or a normal guy that is decent and more normal(unusual she will at times settle)... now if she gets locked in, she will stop checking or deactivate and focus on the dude just like the night game girl sample...

The average dude thinks women are fucking all over the place a bunch of different men all over the place, this is a men projection that is not how women are.... The nitpick is on guys that are not attractive and get no investment and/or have low game skills, they get put on orbiter position or ghosted and she keps hunting. Guy gets frustrated, since he sucks, and becomes a red piller, black piller, tradcum, or make silly post on "how can i meet a low count girl like some dude he does not even know idolizes, blind silliness/worshipping"...

A note on instagram, facebook, tiktok, only fans, wet cams...- this is how a normal guy perceives all the attention, the "you are amazing so beautiful" silly messages and likes and pms.... Too much competition, this is how she REALLY sees those guys "none existent in her eyes".

p.s. this will be just like i did in other forums with dance floor and in this forum with texting (where i taught you in multiple posts how to text like a baby) a series of posts I will tackle women and her sexuality, and i will teach you everything that you need to know about women....

Again, i personally have not found any difference on the medium of game on "women better suited to relationships" or damage control in case "things go south", I was trying to even think at the beginning of my women journey and when my skill level was low and no difference, but again, it was a different generation...

Curious to know and be as specific as you possibly can on how you are finding major differences in WOMEN cross gaming, if you have not cross game, please don't post and move along... If you have never fucked at least 10 women online, not interested in any of your opinion, if you have not fucked at least 10 women in day game, not interested in your opinion, if you have at least not fucked 10 women in clubs not interest in your opinion. Thanks in advance...

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Soooo on a hiatus but @topcat brought this post to my attention offline and couldn't help but chime in.

For transparency slept with: 21 girls online / 10 day game / 9 nightgame and ~10 or so social circle. So on average hit your metrics.

Very good / important post that I 99% agree with. Helps address the rife victim mentality we're seeing on the internet which is horrendous.

i personally have not found any difference on the medium of game on "women better suited to relationships"

Daygame for me has consistently been the avenue that has the highest probability of meeting more "girlfriend" like types. For me girlfriend material is mostly those with high levels of self-control & lower body count and happy / healthy styles towards relationships.

Now I will admit over the years I have noticed more overlap of girls in different avenues especially dating apps. Nowadays more girls I meet via day game use apps whereas before it was a smaller percentage.

I've also found quality relationship girls in nightgame but the reason I disagree is because of probabilities. Yes the increased overlap can make it look like there's no difference in woman being suited to relationships but for me the difference in higher % of woman better suited to relationships being found in Daygame vs Online (probably the worst) is significant.

Curious to know and be as specific as you possibly can on how you are finding major differences in WOMEN cross gaming

1. Daygame - highest % of finding naturally beautiful girls (without makeup) who keep themselves to themselves and also act old school e.g. cook for you, sow your clothes and be sweet / nurturing.

2. Nightgame - Sexy (but 50/50 chance she's ugly without make up), stylish and in "scene" conscious girls who are more into status and their careers. Some would potentially make good partners but their degenerate habits of staying out late and eating Mcdonalds at 3am ruins that.

3. Online - Plain jane girls who aren't anything special, nightgame girls who are looking for additional attention/options and new to the area types e.g. au pairs (usually where you get the highest quality)

4. Social Circle - Easiest lays and most vetted higher quality girls but not a strategy for consistent girls unless you spend A LOT of on-going time

Lastly to simplify this post for people lurking I'd summarize it as:

1. Female sexuality is fluid.

I've known girls to sleep with 3 guys in a month then go a year without sex. They're just built differently & don't have an on-going need. Both men and women are not having that much sex. Majority find it too much work and would rather pair-bond with someone they like or go solo.

2. The same girl can treat 2 guys very differently.

Usually due to frame. Common mistake newbies make is not having boundaries and creating an "us against the world frame".

When I started cutting off timewaster girls some would apologize for their behavior and fall in line. Newer girls started treating me better too as they could tell I respectfully won't put up with nonsense but I'd genuinely be warm/try to understand them but still be firm but fair.

3. Girls dating experience is arguably even worse then men's

In the modern world it's never been easier for an average girl to have sex with an above average man but it's gotten even harder for her to lock him down. Why? Because it's never been easier for an above average guy to get laid and he wouldn't want to give up his options. What this means is girls unlike before are getting consistent "samples" I.E sex with guys they really want with no hope of relationships which on a long term basis they hate.

Guys don't understand this as a problem because they're thinking of it from a man's standpoint. A man "fuckbuddy zoning" a girl is the equivalent of friendzone x10 for a woman.

Without going too deep women have been lied to by society that all they have to do is make their own money / show up and now many of them don't have the relationship skills (pun intended ) to compete in the modern dating market. Hence why many complain just as much as men.


3. There is very little male competition

Most guys are not even trying and the rest are borderline simping e.g. commenting on Instagram so they're not even a valid option while others have no game and will mess up during the seduction process. Meaning if you dedicate time and get good you'll see for yourself 1. girls aren't having that much sex and 2.you can get to a point where you have more women than you know what do with.

 

[Chase]

@Skills,

Lots of solid stuff here. Nothing to quibble with on most of it. Women all change, they go through different phases, they present different faces to different men, the link between sex drive and infidelity is tenuous (if you control for sociosexuality, the sex drive / infidelity link actually goes away completely). You can meet any girl any place.

On differences:

Personality disorders definitely matter. That said, I didn’t know about them or care until I was running GC; I’ve always screened disordered girls out just based on their behavior / tells, and didn’t need to worry about what anyone is diagnosed with. I assume you’re that way too.

However, once I was running Girls Chase, I have continually had to deal with students and other PUAs I know (more emotional PUAs in general seem to be very attracted to these girls) who keep going for BPD chicks and getting themselves into these twisted relationships.

I don’t really know much else about the other personality disorders. BPD’s the only one I’ve had to become familiar with. Once you know it though, it becomes an “Oh yeah, I know those types of girls. Ha, I never date them! Those chicks are crazy!” situation:

Girlfriend with Borderline Personality Disorder: You Must Escape

Girlfriends with borderline personality disorder can be the sexiest, most intoxicating partners you will ever have. They are also the most damaging ones you can have, and you should run. Lately I have been hearing from more and more guys dealing with girlfriends afflicted with borderline...

www.girlschase.com

On meeting different girls in different venues, I don’t have anything to say I didn’t say in the other thread. I wrote an article on possibility vs. probability prompted by that discussion here:

Picking Up Girls: Possibility vs. Probability

What’re the odds you pick up a given sort of girl in a given sort of place? Well, it depends on a few different factors that affect that probability. We had a conversation over on the forum where a forum member was asking where to find beautiful girls who aren't club goers, social media...

www.girlschase.com

I would just ask…

Would you argue:

“A monogamous girlfriend who parties at the clubs on the weekend without you is NO MORE LIKELY to cause you big problems in a relationship than a monogamous girlfriend who spends her weekends reading books and watching movies”?

Not talking about “club rats.” Just a girl who likes going out to the club a couple times a month with her girlfriends, and has hooked up with a few guys from clubs (you perhaps included), compared to a girl who doesn’t do/hasn’t done that.

Chase

 

[Skills]

@Skills,

Lots of solid stuff here. Nothing to quibble with on most of it. Women all change, they go through different phases, they present different faces to different men, the link between sex drive and infidelity is tenuous (if you control for sociosexuality, the sex drive / infidelity link actually goes away completely). You can meet any girl any place.

On differences:

Personality disorders definitely matter. That said, I didn’t know about them or care until I was running GC; I’ve always screened disordered girls out just based on their behavior / tells, and didn’t need to worry about what anyone is diagnosed with. I assume you’re that way too.

However, once I was running Girls Chase, I have continually had to deal with students and other PUAs I know (more emotional PUAs in general seem to be very attracted to these girls) who keep going for BPD chicks and getting themselves into these twisted relationships.

I don’t really know much else about the other personality disorders. BPD’s the only one I’ve had to become familiar with. Once you know it though, it becomes an “Oh yeah, I know those types of girls. Ha, I never date them! Those chicks are crazy!” situation:

Girlfriend with Borderline Personality Disorder: You Must Escape

Girlfriends with borderline personality disorder can be the sexiest, most intoxicating partners you will ever have. They are also the most damaging ones you can have, and you should run. Lately I have been hearing from more and more guys dealing with girlfriends afflicted with borderline...

www.girlschase.com

On meeting different girls in different venues, I don’t have anything to say I didn’t say in the other thread. I wrote an article on possibility vs. probability prompted by that discussion here:

Picking Up Girls: Possibility vs. Probability

What’re the odds you pick up a given sort of girl in a given sort of place? Well, it depends on a few different factors that affect that probability. We had a conversation over on the forum where a forum member was asking where to find beautiful girls who aren't club goers, social media...

www.girlschase.com

I would just ask…

Would you argue:

“A monogamous girlfriend who parties at the clubs on the weekend without you is NO MORE LIKELY to cause you big problems in a relationship than a monogamous girlfriend who spends her weekends reading books and watching movies”?

Not talking about “club rats.” Just a girl who likes going out to the club a couple times a month with her girlfriends, and has hooked up with a few guys from clubs (you perhaps included), compared to a girl who doesn’t do/hasn’t done that.

Chase

So it seems only dowhatworks and chase responded, do what works repeats kind of what chase said in the article (i guarantee he read the article of chase cause use same exact language "probability").... Again it was not my experience with day game (being better for relationships, for me makes no sense which is the point i made in the op, and i did not find a difference).... Actually the girls i met day game were worst in my experience for relationship but i was not AS GOOD AS I AM NOw, cause i started day game pre transitioning night game, therefore the problem was my experience with women vs women... (or coincidence)

now you said this:

@DoWhatWorks https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/i-am-fed-up-with-london-game.22328/#post-110984

DoWhatWorks said:
I do best with Brunette European Au Pairs from France, Italy & Spain. They like reggaeton music like me, they’re adventurous, have free time & overall great girls.

Also do well with middle class white girls who recently moved to the city

which as rip velasco points out are more dtf which is what the op there was complaining about in day game on that post... I agree tourist/travelers dtf that is most day game infield i see...

then you chase point out: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/is-day-game-a-myth.19325/#post-95367

Foreign girls or girls on holiday are always going to be easier fodder for seduction. The more settled a girl is in a given city, the more likely she is to have a.) a long-term boyfriend, and b.) a close circle of friends she mostly sticks to and does not go outside of. If she's a recent transplant, doesn't have so many friends, or is just visiting, she's a lot more open to strangers, which means if you're approaching a lot of women, women who fall into those categories will tend to be among the most receptive to you and will end up comprising a not-insignificant slice of your girl mix.

Chase

^ that is most i see from puas day games, specially the london crowd...


But back the subject....

- The reason why coaching type clients end up with cluster b, is cause the clients for coaching are typically former nice guys, or overcompensting wanna be puas (overcompensating former nice guys).... So yeah they tend to attract these type of girls.... But, this guys are newer type, again when i started day game i may have fallen somewhat into this due to lack of experience... In nightgame that has not been my experience based on the article... (the worst women i have seen that i screen out like that are form online game)

I would just ask…

Would you argue:

“A monogamous girlfriend who parties at the clubs on the weekend without you is NO MORE LIKELY to cause you big problems in a relationship than a monogamous girlfriend who spends her weekends reading books and watching movies”?

Not talking about “club rats.” Just a girl who likes going out to the club a couple times a month with her girlfriends, and has hooked up with a few guys from clubs (you perhaps included), compared to a girl who doesn’t do/hasn’t done that.

Chase

^ again, i cover this in the op.... Moreover, this has not been my experience or what i have seen (even including club rat stages), when they get a boyfriend they tend to stop clubbing and disappear for that period of time... or if they go, usually with them.... They re-appear after break ups... same with online girls once they get a boyfriend profile is gone or inactive....


^ as i explain this is due to ras (reticular activation system or whatever is call) It just does not really happen like that... Girl has boyfriend don't generally keep partying and hooking up (unless the dude is not locked in or beta/pussy type, but even this is rare now a days)...

most of the girls with bf/married is in the revenge fucks/or almost over stages of marriage/relationships/ or they are with place holder types/or traveling/out of town are the ones that tend to cheat, but again history of cheating more than game style cause they can do in any game (usually co workers #1 no clubs)..... my ex at the end was a co-worker and guys during the day (when it was over for example)...

She did not go to a club looking for dick... See what i am saying... Same with my other ex (co worker at the end)... wholly fuck all of them with co-workers when it was over... no "clubs" see what i am talking about causation = correlation (i just thought about this as i am writing this lol)...

^ so 3 of my club "mono" ltrs were co workers at the end, not club dudes... at the very end when it was pretty much way out or done.....The other ones stay single for a while or back online... but in my history they did not go to a "club" looking for dick...

 

[Chase]

@Skills,

most of the girls with bf/married is in the revenge fucks/or almost over stages of marriage/relationships/ or they are with place holder types/or traveling/out of town are the ones that tend to cheat, but again history of cheating more than game style cause they can do in any game (usually co workers #1 no clubs)..... my ex at the end was a co-worker and guys during the day (when it was over for example)...

She did not go to a club looking for dick... See what i am saying... Same with my other ex (co worker at the end)... wholly fuck all of them with co-workers when it was over... no "clubs" see what i am talking about causation = correlation (i just thought about this as i am writing this lol)...

^ so 3 of my club "mono" ltrs were co workers at the end, not club dudes... at the very end when it was pretty much way out or done.....The other ones stay single for a while or back online... but in my history they did not go to a "club" looking for dick...

Right, this is what I'm talking about, that right there.

And yeah, sure, in a happy LTR most girls quit the club, dial down outings with their friends, etc. Only when it starts getting real rocky do they reboot their socializing.

I have had club LTRs that hit clubs at the end but the guys they revenge/freedom fucked were social circle as well. I have seen it with a lot of other guys' club LTRs too, both numerous club-going buddies and a bunch of guys in the PUA community. Things get rocky enough, and the girl starts 'casting the net' in a lot of different places (clubs, online, social circle). This behavior is a lot less common with girls who don't do nightlife, in both my personal experience and among the day gamers I have known and other guys whose relationship details I've been privvy to.

I have had relationships where I considered taking the girl back and the girl wanted to get back but by that point she had already run off to revenge fuck someone. And I was like, "Well fuck, it's too late now. I'm not taking you back after that." This has been exclusively with club girls.

The behavior of "going out to clubs" is a general behavior of "casting out the fishing line" girls engage in when the relationship is on the way out / dead-man walking / just freshly ended but still open to reunion. While she is doing this, she is also doing other things... e.g., going to the gym to get back in shape, flirting with guys at the gym, getting beers with coworkers she avoided getting beers with when more committed, going shopping, dressing better, using more makeup, going to Meetup groups, going out on 'dates' she claims are 'not dates', just engaging in a flurry of social activity "I'm getting back on the market!" activity in general.

You seem to be saying the girls you date who don't do nightlife are equally likely to engage in this "rocky road" "I'm free now!" end-stage behavior as the girls you date who do do nightlife. In which case -- that has not been my experience, or many other guys' experience, but it is yours.

So, I would say it sounds like:

• Your and my mono club LTRs are equally behaved during both happy and rocky/end times
  
  
• Your and my mono DG LTRs are equally behaved during happy times, but yours behave like your club LTRs during rocky/end times, while mine don't

I don't know what the difference is there. It's possible/probable we are screening for different things here.

Might be a good thing to discuss over beers next time I'm in Miami (I think that's where you are, IIRC).

Probably unlikely we'll resolve it with a bunch more forum back-and-forths. Seems like one of those "irresolvable over text" issues.

Chase

 

[Skills]

@Skills,



Right, this is what I'm talking about, that right there.

And yeah, sure, in a happy LTR most girls quit the club, dial down outings with their friends, etc. Only when it starts getting real rocky do they reboot their socializing.

I have had club LTRs that hit clubs at the end but the guys they revenge/freedom fucked were social circle as well. I have seen it with a lot of other guys' club LTRs too, both numerous club-going buddies and a bunch of guys in the PUA community. Things get rocky enough, and the girl starts 'casting the net' in a lot of different places (clubs, online, social circle). This behavior is a lot less common with girls who don't do nightlife, in both my personal experience and among the day gamers I have known and other guys whose relationship details I've been privvy to.

I have had relationships where I considered taking the girl back and the girl wanted to get back but by that point she had already run off to revenge fuck someone. And I was like, "Well fuck, it's too late now. I'm not taking you back after that." This has been exclusively with club girls.

The behavior of "going out to clubs" is a general behavior of "casting out the fishing line" girls engage in when the relationship is on the way out / dead-man walking / just freshly ended but still open to reunion. While she is doing this, she is also doing other things... e.g., going to the gym to get back in shape, flirting with guys at the gym, getting beers with coworkers she avoided getting beers with when more committed, going shopping, dressing better, using more makeup, going to Meetup groups, going out on 'dates' she claims are 'not dates', just engaging in a flurry of social activity "I'm getting back on the market!" activity in general.

You seem to be saying the girls you date who don't do nightlife are equally likely to engage in this "rocky road" "I'm free now!" end-stage behavior as the girls you date who do do nightlife. In which case -- that has not been my experience, or many other guys' experience, but it is yours.

So, I would say it sounds like:

• Your and my mono club LTRs are equally behaved during both happy and rocky/end times
  
  
• Your and my mono DG LTRs are equally behaved during happy times, but yours behave like your club LTRs during rocky/end times, while mine don't

I don't know what the difference is there. It's possible/probable we are screening for different things here.

Might be a good thing to discuss over beers next time I'm in Miami (I think that's where you are, IIRC).

Probably unlikely we'll resolve it with a bunch more forum back-and-forths. Seems like one of those "irresolvable over text" issues.

Chase

Correct me if I am wrong? Your point is that a day game low/lower lay count is easier to find day game? Therefore during the end stages of mono relationship they will be more loyal and not shop around etc,, my counter argument is the 3 girls in my example were not club girls, 2 were club tourists the 3rd was a higher gun. Waiter/bar tender... for what I understand you believe a club type will shop around and even cheat... while a lower count/day game will not... the problem is there are many holes to the argument specifically in social media, online age... I am solutions oriented, my solution is during vetting period, get her to open up and look for history of cheating(again out of the sample 3, 1 cheated) co worker she didn't go to a club, the other 2 ended up with co workers suddenly after break up, so they had explored options... I explained how to do that In my follow up to this post... take a look at this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-affairs-and-the-rise-of-digital-infidelity/

Vetting process and learning how to screen for ltr for me makes more sense than game style... the day game girls have Instagram and Facebook...

The lower count, virgin types lookers as a damage control strategy is very short sided in my opinion, now a days is flawed strategy....tradcum game is a fantasy

 

[Chase]

@Skills,

Correct me if I am wrong? Your point is that a day game low/lower lay count is easier to find day game? Therefore during the end stages of mono relationship they will be more loyal and not shop around etc,,

I wasn't making that point in my last post. But that is a general point I make/agree with.

Again, if you want to argue that point, you're going to need to tell me which part we're debating here:

1. That you are more likely to meet lower count girls during the day than at night (not talking 'can you', talking probability). I have an article on it here
   
   
2. Or that girls with lower counts are less likely to stray, or behave in ways that make guys suspicious, doubtful, etc. at various times in relationships

my counter argument is the 3 girls in my example were not club girls, 2 were club tourists the 3rd was a higher gun. Waiter/bar tender...

By my definition, those are indeed 'nightlife girls.' If she goes to bars/nightclubs sometimes, she is a nightlife girl. If she works in a bar/nightclub, she is ABSOLUTELY a nightlife girl!

Obviously our definitions are not connecting here. If the definitions don't match, you can't talk about anything, because both parties end up discussing different things.

for what I understand you believe a club type will shop around and even cheat... while a lower count/day game will not...

No.

You are thinking in terms of blacks and whites. I'm not sure why we can't discuss nuance here, but it seems to be something you don't process.

Again, I refer you to my probabilities post -- you keep talking possibilities. I am talking probabilities:

Picking Up Girls: Possibility vs. Probability

What’re the odds you pick up a given sort of girl in a given sort of place? Well, it depends on a few different factors that affect that probability. We had a conversation over on the forum where a forum member was asking where to find beautiful girls who aren't club goers, social media...

www.girlschase.com

So long as you keep conflating me referring to probability as me talking about possibility, it's like the signal's going out but it's getting all garbled on the receiving end.

I am solutions oriented, my solution is during vetting period, get her to open up and look for history of cheating

You're talking about that as if I am not solutions oriented

Sure, I vet for that too.

Believe it or not though, there is a lot of stuff you will not find out during vetting, regardless how good you are.

Especially if the girl herself has been around the block.

I have met a lot of guys who were very skilled with girls who were surprisingly naïve about the girls they were dating. I'm not saying you're this way (I don't know you or the girls you date). But I have had a bunch of guys tell me some pretty unbelievable things about the women they were with, that flew against my radar on meeting the girl and my sense of how different types of girls behave, and in some cases my suspicions were later confirmed by the guy, despite him earlier thinking I must be nuts.

A lot of this seems to come from hubris... guys think they can control for anything, that they can rely on their own smarts and techniques to figure out what's in another human's head, and that no one can "get anything past" them, or at least nothing substantial.

My assumption is no matter how good I am at reading people (and I am quite good) and getting them to tell me stuff they wouldn't tell anyone (again, quite good at that too), there is going to be stuff they are going to conceal that I will miss, including often some of the most important stuff, which they have a strong interest to conceal. So rather than try to 'sniff it all out', and risk missing things and making wrong assumptions, I can improve my odds by screening out based on environmental and behavioral clues as well as this individual's initial actions with me and the things I can get her to say.

take a look at this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-affairs-and-the-rise-of-digital-infidelity/

Vetting process and learning how to screen for ltr for me makes more sense than game style... the day game girls have Instagram and Facebook...

Didn't you just say a few posts back you don't care about guys on social media and these guys and their attention aren't real to women in general?

Because I agree with that version of Skills. I am not worried about some chick getting liked and commented to death on her Instagram meal photos.

The lower count, virgin types lookers as a damage control strategy is very short sided in my opinion, now a days is flawed strategy....tradcum game is a fantasy

I don't like the 'tradwives' trend and I think it's idiotic. 2020s women are not 1950s women and you're not going to get a girl who's like the women you see in movies from 70 years ago no matter who you are or what you're doing. The whole environment women are in is completely different, and people are products of their environment. You'd need a time machine to find a girl like that, or to completely recreate the society of then and raise women in it. And by the time you pulled that off you'd be an old man!

However if you think there's no difference between lower count and higher count women, I don't know what to tell you. I wrote an article on it discussing their personality differences years ago here you should read:

How Many Partners Has Your Girlfriend Had? Find Out Here

Here's a post that's sure to raise some ire. Ricardus and I were discussing men's tendency to want to sleep with sexually open women, but to date or settle down with or marry sexually conservative women - and how difficult it is actually figuring out how many partners women have actually had...

www.girlschase.com

If you read the comments you will find it is filled with both guys and girls saying the categories are spot on.

Again, I am not saying a guy "should" date a low count girl -- there are some guys the high count girl is much better for. The only one you probably shouldn't date is the girl in the third category, that girl has some issues. But girls in partner count categories 1, 2, and 4, depending on what you're after, they can all be good.

Chase

 

[Skills]

I wasn't making that point in my last post. But that is a general point I make/agree with.

Again, if you want to argue that point, you're going to need to tell me which part we're debating here:

1. That you are more likely to meet lower count girls during the day than at night (not talking 'can you', talking probability). I have an article on it here
   
   
2. Or that girls with lower counts are less likely to stray, or behave in ways that make guys suspicious, doubtful, etc. at various times in relationships

^ chase again my point is that this is irrelevant and that women are women, does not matter were you meet them, and all the rest, what matters is the SCREENING PROPERLY...... Chase i have been in this community 10 years, i remember when the online guys had all type of rationalizations on why "online game" was the wholly grail of game and making all type of eloquent rational points of why "online game" was the shit.... Usually were guys that:

-did online game and liked it...

-had a PRODUCT selling online game

- were good at online game but could not cold approach

These type of arguments, making points that do not match my reality are silly to me... I just spent 3 days arguing with a dude that actually agrees with me against the disagreement i have with you, cause his article, nitpicks day game, but then also nitpicks on the women you meet from cold approach, and of course does not really match my reality here is the article notice, how according to this "Day gamer" the women from day game are "Broken"..... But why is this that the women i meet from day game? night game? online game? that become my girlfriend are not "broken", again goes back to my SCREENING....

So according to this guys who is a day gamer here is reality on day game:

That's daygame in a nutshell: broken guys with broken scripts looking for, and occasionally finding, broken girls; and the reason the ceiling of success for daygame is 5-10% is quite simply because that's how many broken girls tend to be walking in the street at any given time (and the reason Tinder took this down to 1-5% is because HALF of the broken girls are now looking for, and sometimes finding, validation and happiness on Tinder, hence are no longer open to finding it in the street, which for a girl is the ultimate last resort, and is hence reserved for the direst cases and circumstances).

^ none of this crap matches my reality, including your take on NIGHT GAME and women for clubs..... sorry! why cause i know how to screen properly.... So according to this guys he is saying similar stuff or worst of what you are implying with day game to night game:

But if status cannot be conveyed in the street, and if the only thing women care about is status, why do a few approaches work now and then? Why do any approaches work at all? Granted 5-10% (or 1-5% post-Tinder) is a tiny number, but it's not nothing, and if you spend all day approaching in a big city center you can conceivably open 50-100 girls, effectively landing at least a new girl every day, and there's no other type of game that can match this result in sheer efficiency, so cold street approach aka daygame remains the most efficient type of game bar none for those who can handle it, despite its abysmal success ratio.

Yet the question remains that if status cannot be conveyed in the street, why do street approaches even work at all? This is the million-dollar daygame question that no one has come close to answering because no one has asked it because no one has ever realized that for a top guy to get 5-10% in the street (or 1-5% post-Tinder) when he can get 80-100% in a social circle is a cosmic discrepancy that cannot be ignored and demands explanation. And since the PUAs have never been at the top of any social circle, and they even regard the top guy's 80-100% social circle ratio as fiction, they have so far failed to answer the question, or to even ask it for that matter.

In the end, the answer came to me after I noticed a curious trend among almost all of my daygame successes, and especially at the top end of the hotness scale. I eventually realized that practically all of them were not merely introverted girls, but downright depressed to some extent or other, they were vulnerable girls. The hottest girl I've ever gotten from daygame was a 19-year-old 10 whose father had left the family when she was nine and didn't even bother to communicate with her at all for many years. After a brief sexual experience at 13, she had remained chaste until reaching 19, at which point she had quick meaningless sex with three or four guys in succession, and then met me in the street and fell in love with me. She was very shy with a barren Facebook profile with hardly any guys in her life or social circle at all (and the couple of guys she did know were effeminate losers). The second hottest girl was a 17-year-old 9 whose mother had died of cancer when she was young and whose father had taken a new girlfriend and "didn't love her". I met her in a semi-depressed state when she was on holiday in my island, with very little sexual experience because she lived in a tiny Swedish town where everyone knows everyone and promiscuity is difficult. I fucked her for almost an entire night, somewhere close to six hours straight—one of the greatest sexual experiences of my life—and she was mine for as long as I would have her. Another hot girl had just broken up with her boyfriend who was hounding her on social media, another had just been dumped not merely by a boyfriend but by her FIANCÉE, several others had just moved to new cities and knew no one and were introverts who felt awkward around big groups anyway, or middle-aged women whose lengthy relationships had collapsed, and on and on it goes. One of them, another Swedish girl, was even clinically depressed and showed me her pill collection! The only non-depressed but still fairly attractive girls I have gotten off cold approach have been horny sluts pure and simple. They didn't care about my lack of status because they only cared about dick and happened to be horny when I stopped them in the street. I passed their "attraction threshold" for fucking, per GLL's terminology, and usually I banged them the same day with no mindgames or resistance of any kind and usually never saw them again because I neither like sluts nor do they generally like me beyond the physical. That's what daygame gives you: the best girls (the vulnerable, depressed introverts) and the worst girls (the raging opportunistic sluts), and nothing in between. No normal girls in other words.

Now if you've read your Krauser and the other London fools you'll have realized by now that their results too back up my conclusions, even if they themselves are too dumb to realize it. For what is the "ideal London daygame set" that they drool over and pray for again and again? Isn't it "a lone girl with a backpack strolling slowly through London's sights"? That's the LDM "bread and butter", the kind of girl they get most of their successes from, as they themselves admit in innumerable instances. But what kind of girl goes sightseeing in a foreign country alone lol? "For whatever reason, a woman finds it impossible to be alone", says Roosh, "They'll rather spend time with someone they hate, or who they are intensely jealous of, than be alone". The lone tourist girl strolling slowly through London's sights is either an introvert, or at least somewhat depressed, or better yet both at the same time, and thus simultaneously emotionally vulnerable and without easy access to social circles with high-status guys. Such girls DO NOT normally play the status game, either because they are too caught up in their emotional issues to have the time and energy, or even the mood for it, or quite simply because they have no access to social circles or males at all (—at least for a little while, because it's impossible for an attractive girl to be socially isolated for long unless she's a complete basketcase).

Here is the whole article from a day gamer saying is the wholly grail according to him "most efficient" pupuing day game, again not my reality, i can grab any type of game and pupu that type of game or making weird eloquent arguments on why "Day game" or ______ in the blank game is superior, such a waste of time.... For me i don't bother with this silliness, for me is biz as usual...

You're talking about that as if I am not solutions oriented

Sure, I vet for that too.

Believe it or not though, there is a lot of stuff you will not find out during vetting, regardless how good you are.

Especially if the girl herself has been around the block.

I have met a lot of guys who were very skilled with girls who were surprisingly naïve about the girls they were dating. I'm not saying you're this way (I don't know you or the girls you date). But I have had a bunch of guys tell me some pretty unbelievable things about the women they were with, that flew against my radar on meeting the girl and my sense of how different types of girls behave, and in some cases my suspicions were later confirmed by the guy, despite him earlier thinking I must be nuts.

A lot of this seems to come from hubris... guys think they can control for anything, that they can rely on their own smarts and techniques to figure out what's in another human's head, and that no one can "get anything past" them, or at least nothing substantial.

My assumption is no matter how good I am at reading people (and I am quite good) and getting them to tell me stuff they wouldn't tell anyone (again, quite good at that too), there is going to be stuff they are going to conceal that I will miss, including often some of the most important stuff, which they have a strong interest to conceal. So rather than try to 'sniff it all out', and risk missing things and making wrong assumptions, I can improve my odds by screening out based on environmental and behavioral clues as well as this individual's initial actions with me and the things I can get her to say.

^ totally incorrect, sorry i am the exception, I GUARANTEE YOU, they are not doing this Correctly.....Again i guarantee you if i interview them they are totally not doing that.. If you follow what i say there to do, they will totally open up, again i have stories that their lawyer, mom, best friends, ex lovers don't know about........ Again, i teach how to do it there, though a lot of that stuff is teevester, i don't use it as teevester intended, i use it as a screening tool.....

Didn't you just say a few posts back you don't care about guys on social media and these guys and their attention aren't real to women in general?

Because I agree with that version of Skills. I am not worried about some chick getting liked and commented to death on her Instagram meal photos.

^ chase here is were context plays a part, we are talking on the context of: - day game women low sex count - social circle/co-workers/exes/ people they know aka warm to hot leads in social media....

vs. Strangers getting into their dms, simps, fans..... There is a difference....... Please tell me you have not had your exes dm you towards the "rocky relationships/marriages on the way out"....... get me?? come on...

About the low lay count girls i already cover this here chase, and how to find them and a cheat code to get those women who i find a total waste of my time....
https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...s-of-game-style-women-are-women-part-3.25052/

Finally, i am using your terminology of "club tourist" form your definition, so we have our definitions messed up.... Here are the girls i am refering:

- lebanese.- met at the club, this will fall on the ones you call frequent clubs, and the only one, but loyal as fuck... (this was my first girlsfriend) but she was a very traditional good girl, she would go with sister and brother.... Never cheated, i dump her, cause i upgraded for another girl, 3 years together...(prior community)... got an ulcer from the break up...

-the doctor.- Very christian like, graduated from met school and was on call, went to a club on call, met me... 3 years never went to a club... I broke it off she wanted kids and marriage... had to go to therapy after the break up was that hard on her..- After break up dated co worker...

- 21 year old hot hungarian.- met one night after work, friend drag her to a club..... Found out she was a waiter, at the beach in a restaurant (this girls would not cheat on you on bratt pitt, she would break up first then date).... During the 3 years we were together went to the club once after i kind of beg her to go..... So i can go to another club alone lol... She was not a club goer.... We broke up cause i had a sever case of maddona whore complex...(prior to community).- after break up dated cop (did not meet at club)

- My 10 year ex.- Met at a club.- During the 10 years never step in a club (minus 3-5 friends party events with me)..... Left me for co worker at the end(he brainwashed her with bible shit. guys from nextasf witness)... (but this poor girl i don't blame her, imaging dating a dude going to clubs, while she was at home 3 times a week, she paying the bills, etc...)

^ i can go on and on, the women i end up with due to not being club rats, are not women that you meet at club and frequent clubs(but 1) or you met at club monkey branch right away cause i met on the club, your argument chase make 0 sense to me....

@Chase i will repeat women are women, designing a whole "let me do day game cause probability of finding my unicorn" is a ridiculous type of argument with the "probability angle".... Again my take no probability no possibility..... here is my take:

- try all games, master all games, do the one that you like, learn how to be good with women and screen properly for a girlfriend..... all this: this game is best, or this other is best and if you try this best you will meet a girl that at the end of the relationship will leave honorably like cathlyn stark, subcommunications, it is just ridiculous in my eyes....

so i will spend my time teaching/doing, how to get women in all types of games, screen them in all types of games, fuck them in all type of games, and "how high you want to jump" devotions, while you are dating them after they have win you over from 5 other women.... This is my focus regardless of game style......

 

[grzyman12]

Very interesting thread
It's curious how most experienced men can arrive at different conclusions. It's most likely the result of differing personalities and styles of game at play.
Bookmarked for future refference.

 

[Vision]

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about trying to convince everyone that all the women you meet everywhere are the same.

I mean, obviously they aren't... if you meet a girl in a strip club or a drug den, they're not the same as a girl you'd meet at a supermarket... could you meet a stripper or a drug addict at the supermarket? Of course... but saying that it's all the same is just "silly" as you put it. Those are obviously extreme examples but if I go to a personal growth event about health and vitality that costs $5000, the probabilities on who I will meet there will change.

Everyone everywhere are not the same. I'm not sure why you're so hell bent on trying to convince us all that they are. Sure, screening women is obviously important... regardless of where you meet the woman, you want her to fit into what it is that you're looking for...

Like for you, some girl who likes to fuck and can suck a golfball through a waterhose (didn't we establish you like girls who know how to fuck in another post?) and for me, I'm looking for a girl who likes to paint pictures of animals and doesn't ever like to go out.

But all women everywhere are not the same. There's an objective reality that's out there but our subjective realities are going to differ depending on the types of women we like, our own unresolved issues and perceptions, the countries we're in, where we go to meet women during day/night game, and a whole host of other factors.

 

[Skills]

I'm just trying to figure out why you care so much about trying to convince everyone that all the women you meet everywhere are the same.

I mean, obviously they aren't... if you meet a girl in a strip club or a drug den, they're not the same as a girl you'd meet at a supermarket... could you meet a stripper or a drug addict at the supermarket? Of course... but saying that it's all the same is just "silly" as you put it. Those are obviously extreme examples but if I go to a personal growth event about health and vitality that costs $5000, the probabilities on who I will meet there will change.

Everyone everywhere are not the same. I'm not sure why you're so hell bent on trying to convince us all that they are. Sure, screening women is obviously important... regardless of where you meet the woman, you want her to fit into what it is that you're looking for...

Like for you, some girl who likes to fuck and can suck a golfball through a waterhose (didn't we establish you like girls who know how to fuck in another post?) and for me, I'm looking for a girl who likes to paint pictures of animals and doesn't ever like to go out.

But all women everywhere are not the same. There's an objective reality that's out there but our subjective realities are going to differ depending on the types of women we like, our own unresolved issues and perceptions, the countries we're in, where we go to meet women during day/night game, and a whole host of other factors.

^ i don't meet girls at strip clubs (dated couple of ex strippers, and back to the post, really no difference, a lot of strippers don't sleep with clients, don't do drugs and some are doing that to pay for school) or drug dens.... i am not trying to convince anyone... re-read the post, and if you are going to discuss please come with more coherent argument, put a little more effort.... you didn't say anything.... "women everywhere are not the same"..... and "women you meet in a drug then and strip club" vs other places...

here is back to practical examples:

stripper 1.- was not a stripper as i was talking to her, living with sugar daddy mess around with her, took her to strip club interview got her a job.- screen out...(forgot met in day game)

stripper 2.- met in lincoln road day game visiting in "memorial day" or one of those holidays, took her to the back of my sub, my first ever sdl, screened out...

striper 3.- met at club, messed around, screened out....

stripper 4.- met at stripped club, have sex with her 1 time, screened out....

stripper 5.- met at club, went back to tenessee, came back to live in florida, dated a bit, became a total super christian, screened out (this girl i don't is sleeping with anybody super religious) (most exes, friends and family members don't know this)

stripper 6.- years ago stripped for a year to pay for nursing school... (amazing girl no different from any other girl i have dated screened in, awesome relationship).... makes 150k a year, has multiple investments, own a home, treat me like a god, loyal... screened in...(most exes, family member don't know this, cause they could not get her to open up)

stripper 7.- met at club, she thought i was into drugs and she thought i was a stripper, she used to stripped for the famous "Score" in new york, hungarian from Europe, move to florida, has a kid has not stripped in years..... I told the story in nextasf, started crying thinking we have this amazing connection, got ubber, stop the ubber for 10 minutes when i said good bye (cause we have this amazing connection) still keep in contact with her..... Screened out....(cause i know were this is going she is going to be a psycho)

I am sure there other strippers, but that is what i remember so far....

p.s. keep editing cause more strippers come up that i remember lol....

 

[Vision]

^ i don't meet girls at strip clubs (dated couple of ex strippers, and back to the post, really no difference, a lot of strippers don't sleep with clients, don't do drugs and some are doing that to pay for school) or drug dens....

Oh, holy shit, you're funny... wait, are you being serious?

i am not trying to convince anyone...

Dude, you created a post about it and you're constantly arguing with people, including me about it. You're posting about it a lot and arguing with a lot of people for someone who claims you're not trying to convince anyone.

Oh... maybe you're just trying to stir something up to sell your book because you rely on people thinking that women in clubs are good for your dance game stuff?

Let's be real here, shall we?

re-read the post, and if you are going to discuss please come with more coherent argument, put a little more effort.... you didn't say anything.... "women everywhere are not the same"..... and "women you meet in a drug then and strip club" vs other places...

Oh man, I'm sorry dude. I really fucked that one up.

Let me try again and put more effort in this time... maybe the same effort you put in here.

Let's see...

Well, I've managed three different strip clubs, including a Penthouse club at one point so I should be able to remember some experiences here...

Stripper 1. Amber (was that her real name?)... She said she felt a connection with me so I took her home one night and while we were having sex she said, "FUCK ME LIKE MY DAD USED TO"... she was a really good girl though, probably no different than any girl you'd meet anywhere else... maybe relationship material but I think my Madonna/Whore complex kicked in and I may have mistakenly screened her out.

Stripper 2. Anastasia... We hooked up for a bit but I found out she was banging a couple other dudes and lying to them saying that she was a Doctor and that she makes a lot of money... well, she did make a lot of money... she had two SUVs, a yacht, and a condo but was going into foreclosure because it was all massive debt and mismanaged money that she had... screened out but maybe she was good relationship material too, aye?

Stripper 3. (don't remember her name)... beautiful little asian girl who was obsessed with licking me... pretty healthy thing I think. But it turned out she was part of a prostitution ring going on at the strip club and almost got our club fined $10,000 so I screened her out... maybe she is like my last gf that I met in daygame who like to draw cats, knit, and go horse back riding... hard to tell really... shouldn't have screened her out, not sure.

Stripper 4. Hazel... wild and fiery but I stopped seeing her when she came into the club on cocaine and punch one of the other girls in the face... guys were throwing in lots of tips but it wasn't very classy so we had to get rid of her. Screened her out... again, not sure her relationship quality... maybe I should have waited and gotten into an LTR with her.

I could probably think of some more if I sit and think about it... but maybe you're right... just like the other girls I meet in daygame, maybe? Hmm

Plus, I'm giving way too many details. Maybe you can put as much effort in next time as I am, pretty please?

 

[Skills]

Dude, you created a post about it and you're constantly arguing with people, including me about it. You're posting about it a lot and arguing with a lot of people for someone who claims you're not trying to convince anyone.

Oh... maybe you're just trying to stir something up to sell your book because you rely on people thinking that women in clubs are good for your dance game stuff?

Let's be real here, shall we?

^ this is such a ridiculous point, when people speak in a seduction forum, they are trying to express their point of view.... For example if i say don't open a girl saying " hey babe come over here"...... And i write a post saying "why you should not open saying baby come over here" and my explanation is it has low probability of working... Cause i make that argument based on my experience those not me I am trying to convince anybody, i mean that is such a horrible way to imply your point..... Why don't you write a post and making your point on why women are not women and give your reasons...

Oh... maybe you're just trying to stir something up to sell your book because you rely on people thinking that women in clubs are good for your dance game stuff?

Let's be real here, shall we?

Yeah! you got me, hey guys here are the reasons you should not meet women in day game, please don't do day game.... they pretend to be good girls during the game, but in the night they become prostitutes.... and here is why you should buy my book about clubs.... Vision, dude you have nothing to say no argument, again i am waiting for your discussion.... Put a little effort please dude other than " you are trying to convince everybody cause you want to sell a book" Excellent argument dude....(let me check my book sales they most be through the roof after this "Stir up controversy".... Dude you don't know me, you don't know who i am, you don't know why my intentions are, you could ask me.... See i am not going to see here an accuse you of maddona whore complex, i would never do that... I don't make money of seduction, seduction is my HOBBY, but you for i hear profit from "coaching women" so stop projecting dude....



Oh man, I'm sorry dude. I really fucked that one up.

Let me try again and put more effort in this time... maybe the same effort you put in here.

let's see...

ok good you are missing the point so let me help you out a little be genius:

Well, I've managed three different strip clubs, including a Penthouse club at one point so I should be able to remember some experiences here...

^ this probably is why you are probably traumatized, I never did this..

Stripper 1. Amber (was that her real name?)... She said she felt a connection with me so I took her home one night and while we were having sex she said, "FUCK ME LIKE MY DAD USED TO"... she was a really good girl though, probably no different than any girl you'd meet anywhere else... maybe relationship material but I think my Madonna/Whore complex kicked in and I may have mistakenly screened her out.

^ so now you are mocking, missing the point, cause you are to busy trying to "Argue" and "convince" projecting your shit on to me.... so if i am vision, i would fuck the shit out of her and screen out... Get the point...

Stripper 2. Anastasia... We hooked up for a bit but I found out she was banging a couple other dudes and lying to them saying that she was a Doctor and that she makes a lot of money... well, she did make a lot of money... she had two SUVs, a yacht, and a condo but was going into foreclosure because it was all massive debt and mismanaged money that she had... screened out but maybe she was good relationship material too, aye?

^ now you are learning screen out, get the point... You are mocking missing the point, i would never say she is relationship material...You are making the same point i am making so you screen her out... you are saying the same shit i am saying... AGain what does that has to do with anything? dude you make no sense..

Stripper 3. (don't remember her name)... beautiful little asian girl who was obsessed with licking me... pretty healthy thing I think. But it turned out she was part of a prostitution ring going on at the strip club and almost got our club fined $10,000 so I screened her out... maybe she is like my last gf that I met in daygame who like to draw cats, knit, and go horse back riding... hard to tell really... shouldn't have screened her out, not sure.

^ then you screen her out, what is your point, did you read the post, what does that has to anything...

Stripper 4. Hazel... wild and fiery but I stopped seeing her when she came into the club on cocaine and punch one of the other girls in the face... guys were throwing in lots of tips but it wasn't very classy so we had to get rid of her. Screened her out... again, not sure her relationship quality... maybe I should have waited and gotten into an LDR with her.

^ as so you screen her out, again i waiting for your point?

I could probably think of some more if I sit and think about it... but maybe you're right... just like the other girls I meet in daygame, maybe? Hmm

^ what does that has to do with anything, dude.... Bro, do me a favor, if you are going to make a point, make coherent points don't waste my time...



the world according to vision (all extremes):

women in clubs.- Strippers and drug dens (if anybody has put a feet in a club, or any night venue, how many strippers have you met guys? )

it is like me saying.- Women in day game escorts from Romania/ crack heads....

women in online game.- only cam girls/ only fans...

 

[Vision]

^ this is such a ridiculous point, when people speak in a seduction forum, they are trying to express their point of view.... For example if i say don't open a girl saying " hey babe come over here"...... And i write a post saying "why you should not open saying baby come over here" and my explanation is it has low probability of working... Cause i make that argument based on my experience those not me I am trying to convince anybody, i mean that is such a horrible way to imply your point..... Why don't you write a post and making your point on why women are not women and give your reasons...

Your observations are total bullshit and you know it. You're like "stripper girl... screened out... but was like all other women I meet... stripper girl... had long relationship, was an amazing girl, would never cheat"

It's just nonsense dude. Your arguments are nonsense. You don't even say anything about these girls... just that she's like everyone else... or you met a stripper during the day...

It's silly. Your arguments are half-assed and silly.

I hooked up with three virgins in college... not sure how many virgins are in strip clubs but it's not much... do I need to draw out each one and give you the details on it to make it a better argument?

No, why? Because your details vague, ambiguous, and lacking any real details about you, what you like, them what they're like, and you're dismissing everyone else's arguments, which is disrespectful... so I don't mind mocking you and calling your arguments silly and nonsense, since that's the level of discourse you're engaging in as well.

Yeah! you got me, hey guys here are the reasons you should not meet women in day game, please don't do day game.... they pretend to be good girls during the game, but in the night they become prostitutes.... and here is why you should buy my book about clubs....

At least you're being more upfront about what you're doing now...

Vision, dude you have nothing to say no argument, again i am waiting for your discussion....

We're not arguing right now? I'm waiting for a coherent discussion from you.

Put a little effort please dude other than " you are trying to convince everybody cause you want to sell a book" Excellent argument dude....

Please put in a little more effort than... "stripper... girl is just like any other girl you would meet... successful... girls in strip clubs are like all other girls"

(let me check my book sales they most be through the roof after this "Stir up controversy"....

It's a good sales tactic.

Dude you don't know me, you don't know who i am, you don't know why my intentions are, you could ask me....

You don't know me either... you just get on here and project your bullshit out onto me and make weak ass arguments that can't be argued with because there's no substance to them...

"daygame girl... met her she stripper... daygame girls are strippers... screened her out... she got jealous and had long heartbreak"

Great argument and evidence bro... I really believe you now. Hey everyone... did you see this... all girls in all areas are the same, he met a stripper once during daygame so girls in strip clubs are just like girls you meet on the street.

Same probabilities... yeah, bro. They're all the same everywhere.

See i am not going to see here an accuse you of maddona whore complex, i would never do that... I don't make money of seduction, seduction is my HOBBY, but you for i hear profit from "coaching women" so stop projecting dude....

I didn't say that's what you're doing... I'm questioning it... you're either in here posting, making backlinks to your articles that then go to your website because you're trying to get traffic and make sales (I'm an internet marketer, I know when people are doing SEO)... or you're giving away your book for free and not selling anything (which you're not).

Is this not you insinuating that I have the madonna/whore complex?

^ so now you are mocking, missing the point, cause you are to busy trying to "Argue" and "convince" projecting your shit on to me.... so if i am vision, i would fuck the shit out of her and screen out... Get the point...

I'm just giving you an example of a stripper I hooked up with... maybe you should get the point. You're not as likely to meet fucked up women in daygame as you are in strip clubs.

Understand now? Or should I break it down into smaller chunks?

I'm giving you the same level of evidence you gave me... "met girl... she's this way... must mean this bullshit I came up with."

Or is that not how it works?

^ now you are learning screen out, get the point... You are mocking missing the point, i would never say she is relationship material...You are making the same point i am making so you screen her out... you are saying the same shit i am saying... AGain what does that has to do with anything? dude you make no sense..

Let me explain the point again...

WOMEN IN STRIP CLUBS ARE NOT THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER WOMEN OUT THERE.

^ then you screen her out, what is your point, did you read the post, what does that has to anything...

THE POINT IS THAT WOMEN IN STRIP CLUBS AREN'T THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER WOMEN OUT THERE... THERE'S A HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT THEY'RE FUCKED IN THE HEAD.

Did the all caps help?

^ as so you screen her out, again i waiting for your point?

Girl + Strip Club = Likely Boo

Girl + Daygame = Likely Yay

And obviously that's a little over simplified... if you go walking around strip clubs during the evening, looking to meet girls, you might be fishing in the wrong pond.

^ what does that has to do with anything, dude.... Bro, do me a favor, if you are going to make a point, make coherent points don't waste my time...

Maybe you should make points that rely on more than "I met a girl once during the day and she was a stripper so all girls everywhere are basically the same"

Your argument is fucking stupid dude. Get out of here with your nonsense.

 

[Skills]

Your observations are total bullshit and you know it. You're like "stripper girl... screened out... but was like all other women I meet... stripper girl... had long relationship, was an amazing girl, would never cheat"

It's just nonsense dude. Your arguments are nonsense. You don't even say anything about these girls... just that she's like everyone else... or you met a stripper during the day...

It's silly. Your arguments are half-assed and silly.

I hooked up with three virgins in college... not sure how many virgins are in strip clubs but it's not much... do I need to draw out each one and give you the details on it to make it a better argument?

No, why? Because your details vague, ambiguous, and lacking any real details about you, what you like, them what they're like, and you're dismissing everyone else's arguments, which is disrespectful... so I don't mind mocking you and calling your arguments silly and nonsense, since that's the level of discourse you're engaging in as well.



At least you're being more upfront about what you're doing now...




We're not arguing right now? I'm waiting for a coherent discussion from you.



Please put in a little more effort than... "stripper... girl is just like any other girl you would meet... successful... girls in strip clubs are like all other girls"



It's a good sales tactic.



You don't know me either... you just get on here and project your bullshit out onto me and make weak ass arguments that can't be argued with because there's no substance to them...

"daygame girl... met her she stripper... daygame girls are strippers... screened her out... she got jealous and had long heartbreak"

Great argument and evidence bro... I really believe you now. Hey everyone... did you see this... all girls in all areas are the same, he met a stripper once during daygame so girls in strip clubs are just like girls you meet on the street.

Same probabilities... yeah, bro. They're all the same everywhere.



I didn't say that's what you're doing... I'm questioning it... you're either in here posting, making backlinks to your articles that then go to your website because you're trying to get traffic and make sales (I'm an internet marketer, I know when people are doing SEO)... or you're giving away your book for free and not selling anything (which you're not).

Is this not you insinuating that I have the madonna/whore complex?

I'm just giving you an example of a stripper I hooked up with... maybe you should get the point. You're not as likely to meet fucked up women in daygame as you are in strip clubs.

Understand now? Or should I break it down into smaller chunks?

I'm giving you the same level of evidence you gave me... "met girl... she's this way... must mean this bullshit I came up with."

Or is that not how it works?



Let me explain the point again...

WOMEN IN STRIP CLUBS ARE NOT THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER WOMEN OUT THERE.




THE POINT IS THAT WOMEN IN STRIP CLUBS AREN'T THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER WOMEN OUT THERE... THERE'S A HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT THEY'RE FUCKED IN THE HEAD.

Did the all caps help?



Girl + Strip Club = Likely Boo

Girl + Daygame = Likely Yay

And obviously that's a little over simplified... if you go walking around strip clubs during the evening, looking to meet girls, you might be fishing in the wrong pond.



Maybe you should make points that rely on more than "I met a girl once during the day and she was a stripper so all girls everywhere are basically the same"

Your argument is fucking stupid dude. Get out of here with your nonsense.

^ dude, imagine if my example of who is a seducer is "justin wayne"..... You brought up the stripper argument, stripper= night game

strippers are a minority of "night game" people that do "night game" unless in Vegas will rarely run into a "stripper".... You coming with the "stripper" angle was RIDICULOUS, in cap letters, cause that is not the majority nor either minority of the girls you will meet in "night game"/- You miss the point that i was being SARCASTIC, with the stripper stories, and my first sdl was a DAY GAME stripper, you miss that i am being sarcastic to the point of day game women you are likely to meet a "holy girl".... By the way i can care less if dudes meet women on day game, night game, online game.... But the idea that you can not meet women in night game that will not be fit to relationships, is not just my experience, or many guys are know experiences....


- I explain step by step what i do in another post and is not bullshit i also explain how to screen in ltr in detail, but that is not the point of this counter..... My counter is not strippers/ drug den, (you brought up this unlikely ridiculous scenarios, cause your goal is to discredit me, your goal is not a rational conversation)..... my argument is i don't care were i meet a women, day game, online game, night game....... If my goal is a relationship there are ways to achieve that regardless of game style.....

- You have 0 evidence of my intentions.... "you are making post" and making this post, cause you are trying to "sell books" 0 evidence, and you are looking like a fool.... Cause most of the posters know i am not about that... I explained to you this is a "hobbie" i don't make money from seduction, this is a fact...

- night game is not a fucking strip club ( i don't go to strip clubs, every one in a million years, the girls minority of girls i pull want to go there do to after hours, but is once a year or so)

- I explain why sleeping with virgins and low count girls sucks for me here i was countering disagreen in the quote you posted the part were you said "why you want a girl with a lot of experience" ........

you are attaching the person, instead of the point......

Again in night game:

- I don't go for regulars

- I don't go for club rats

- I don't really go for strippers (but if after i fuck them i found out, i make them fbs or screen them out, depending, the point of the samples i gave you)

- I don't go for women that do drugs/alcohol etc...


- the stripper that you "mentioned" was a FORMER STRIPPER, there are girls as i explained that could have stripped and:

a.- had daddy issues and fucked up in the head (women that i will screen out), from my blog:

The Dark Side of Stripper Psychology and Politics that you Absolutely Must Know for Managing Your Relationships with Strippers!!!

(note: None of this material is for reproduction of sale. These are insider secrets for your eyes only, and the material has been copyrighted as well and may not be distributed except by the author)

Strippers are strong characters but do have issues however. Under all the bravado they are actually insecure little girls and will call you daddy and use pet names and regress and act childish and girlie and they want their innocence back and so if you can identify that and placate that and make them feel better about their inner child and not bad about it they will love you. They have a loss of innocence that they feel bad about. When you take them out of the strip club environment they have periods of regression where they will act like teenagers. They have a very strong but vulnerable inner child with a lost sense of innocence, and there is a powerful desire for that lost innocence to be reclaimed and have the inner child emerge. Everything that is sacred to them, privacy, etc, that makes a person a sacred innocent child, is gone and perverted, and they have a strong desire to go back to that place of security and innocence. You will notice them regress they will get very giggly and childish. The deep seeded desire they have is that they want a daddy. They want a protector. They get stalked, and will have guys trying to coerce them with money who they then shut down and then get mad…they sometimes have to hire security guards and pistol permits. They have security concerns. They have fear and you need to be able to placate that and make them feel safe with you (without trying to hard, but just through subtle reassurance). And they want someone who is going to take on a father figure type of role because many of them were abused as children and are actually afraid of men. They get satisfaction out of manipulating and controlling men and taking their money, it is a sport to them and gives them the satisfaction of getting revenge on men because of something that happened to them when they were younger. So if you can be a nurturing type of father figure to them who will kiss them on the forehead and tuck them in at night – the opposite of what they put out in the club where they are playing the tough dominatrix type – and nurture that innocent little girl they will love you.

Now here is the darkest most dangerous part of stripper game. Oftentimes the men who they have roped in and gotten a lot of money out of will come after them after they do not go out with them, and will use their money and power to stalk them and get private investigators, so often they have to move around or leave the state sometimes, and will often have a lot of guy friends because it makes them feel protected. Sometimes however they will feel like they have to sleep with the really rich guys and get into high cost prostitution.

Unfortunately strippers are oftentimes very good at lying and deceiving also so normal lie detection skills may not work, and be careful about trusting them because they will lie to you and you may not even realize it, their whole game is about deception. They make their money off of bullshit. That’s why if you can go in their without them being able to pin you down, and just see you as a big question mark, and get them to take their mask off and talk one human to another, you have a good chance at them giving them your number.

b- did it for a week or a month and quit, cause they hated it....(this could be good if no longer doing it and pass screening)

c.- Did it cause they had a financial emergency (kids/school) then quit...(this could be good if pass screening)

etc.... But i am sure with your bast experience ^ you would know the above.... Vision can you point me to one of your post that would help me get laid please, since mine are all bullshit, i want to know who i am arguing with

 

[moom]

This was a fun one to read lol

my opinion: When it comes to differences in women, I feel like women are all the same but in different phases constantly.

From the 1 week after breakup girl to nymph to the my friends watch my every move girl to this is a really attractive dude and i really want to sleep with him even though I know hes probably not gonna see me again.

They're all the same girl in essence, but just in different phases. I feel like all girls have been low sex drive and high sex drive in different phases of their life and reactions to their current environment. Hence whatever was a truth before can be a false now.

Some girls just stay in one phase for a much longer time than others.

~20 day game / ~20 night game / ~20 social circle game / ~15 online game
something like that

 

[Skills]

This was a fun one to read lol

my opinion: When it comes to differences in women, I feel like women are all the same but in different phases constantly.

From the 1 week after breakup girl to nymph to the my friends watch my every move girl to this is a really attractive dude and i really want to sleep with him even though I know hes probably not gonna see me again.

They're all the same girl in essence, but just in different phases. I feel like all girls have been low sex drive and high sex drive in different phases of their life and reactions to their current environment. Hence whatever was a truth before can be a false now.

Some girls just stay in one phase for a much longer time than others.

~20 day game / ~20 night game / ~20 social circle game / ~15 online game
something like that

thank you! you get this...

 

[Vision]

^ dude, imagine if my example of who is a seducer is "justin wayne"..... You brought up the stripper argument, stripper= night game

strippers are a minority of "night game" people that do "night game" unless in Vegas will rarely run into a "stripper".... You coming with the "stripper" angle was RIDICULOUS, in cap letters, cause that is not the majority nor either minority of the girls you will meet in "night game"/- You miss the point that i was being SARCASTIC, with the stripper stories, and my first sdl was a DAY GAME stripper, you miss that i am being sarcastic to the point of day game women you are likely to meet a "holy girl"....

We're both doing the same thing... we're creating contrast by taking things to the extreme and saying, "Do you see how ridiculous your argument is?"

You don't see that?

By the way i can care less if dudes meet women on day game, night game, online game.... But the idea that you can not meet women in night game that will not be fit to relationships, is not just my experience, or many guys are know experiences....

Nobody on here has EVER said that. It's an argument you're having with yourself.

- I explain step by step what i do in another post and is not bullshit i also explain how to screen in ltr in detail, but that is not the point of this counter..... My counter is not strippers/ drug den, (you brought up this unlikely ridiculous scenarios, cause your goal is to discredit me, your goal is not a rational conversation).....

My goal is NOT to discredit you... it's to do the same thing you're doing, taking things to an extreme and then walking them back.

my argument is i don't care were i meet a women, day game, online game, night game....... If my goal is a relationship there are ways to achieve that regardless of game style.....

Got it.

- You have 0 evidence of my intentions.... "you are making post" and making this post, cause you are trying to "sell books" 0 evidence, and you are looking like a fool.... Cause most of the posters know i am not about that... I explained to you this is a "hobbie" i don't make money from seduction, this is a fact...

Read my post again, you're making a straw man argument here.

I'm creating questions about your intentions because I don't know them... so I'm asking... maybe it's this... maybe it's that... if you aren't trying to prove this... why are you creating posts that try to prove it? Or maybe it's this instead...

What country are you from originally?

- night game is not a fucking strip club ( i don't go to strip clubs, every one in a million years, the girls minority of girls i pull want to go there do to after hours, but is once a year or so)

Nobody said that it was... this is you taking the argument out of context and making it your own argument and then arguing against something that isn't the argument.

- I explain why sleeping with virgins and low count girls sucks for me here i was countering disagreen in the quote you posted the part were you said "why you want a girl with a lot of experience" ........

Yeah, I understand.

you are attaching the person, instead of the point......

I'm going to guess you meant to say "attacking"... well, you're doing the same bullshit but you're trying to pretend like you're not and I'm calling you out on it.

Again in night game:

- I don't go for regulars

- I don't go for club rats

- I don't really go for strippers (but if after i fuck them i found out, i make them fbs or screen them out, depending, the point of the samples i gave you)

- I don't go for women that do drugs/alcohol etc...

That's not the question though... the question is whether nightclub girls are the same girls that you meet anywhere else. And the answer is that some are but a lot of them aren't.

- the stripper that you "mentioned" was a FORMER STRIPPER, there are girls as i explained that could have stripped and:

a.- had daddy issues and fucked up in the head (women that i will screen out), from my blog:

As is often the case with strippers.

b- did it for a week or a month and quit, cause they hated it....(this could be good if no longer doing it and pass screening)

c.- Did it cause they had a financial emergency (kids/school) then quit...(this could be good if pass screening)

etc.... But i am sure with your bast experience ^ you would know the above.... Vision can you point me to one of your post that would help me get laid please, since mine are all bullshit, i want to know who i am arguing with

Oh, you need some help? Yeah, I'll give you some advice specifically for you since I know this is something you struggle with anyway.

At an early part of an interaction, tell a girl that you have a small dick as a way to segue into sexual framing... she'll think you're joking with her.

But by the time she finds out you DO have a small dick, it'll be too late anyway and she'll be too invested to make a big deal out of it.

If you need anything else, just let me know. I'm here for you.

 

[Vision]

I just want to add something else...

I'm really not trying to discredit you @Skills. In truth, I think you've added a lot of value to this community. I think what you do is interesting and I'm sure I could learn a lot from it.

I think it's okay that you're questioning how much value I've added to the community because I haven't been that active and I haven't been a part of the community for very long.

I also agree that women have different phases that they go through... I've experienced it... just as men have different phases that we go through in our lives.

I think you can meet a great woman at a nightclub/bar... I've met girls I would consider to be girlfriend material women there before and been out with women at nightclubs who I considered girlfriend material when we were there.

I think we're just getting caught up in this conversation about whether it's worth it or not to go to one place or another... it sounds like your viewpoint is that it's worth learning all of it. I don't completely disagree with that. I'm a probability guy and I think there are different probabilities to different things that you do, in different areas, with different cultures, and depending on what it is that you're looking for or what you'd consider to be quality.

You have your experiences, I have mine. And there's a bit of clashing going on between them.

Some of what you say, I don't always fully understand... not sure if it's the language barrier or forums or something else with your communication or my comprehension by I feel like things are getting missed here.

 

[Teevster]

I don't have time to really write a long-ass reply to this, and also because this whole subject is silly.... but let let me just state this:

There are different types of clubs.

1. Some attracts pure trash - and here your odds of meeting some nutjob goes significantly higher. For instance very noisy and chaotic venues will have a higher probability of attracting crazy women.
2. Venues that are try-hard (without being classy or really high end but trying to seem like it) will attract more histrionic women.
3. Classy lounges will attract women of higher social and psychological caliber - and your odds of meeting a higher caliber woman is higher than on the street, since more high caliber women will be packed in one place.
4. Artsy venues will attract academic and artistic girls.... they come in different types...
5. High end venue will attract gold-diggers
6. Hyped and "cool" places will attract the social elite.
7. Hip hop venues will usually attract hiphop girls and are usually more ghetto and violent.
8. Raves attracts junkies.

There is no such a thing as "nighlife attracts X type of girl" because it all depends on the venue you frequent. Most of the troubled girls I have dealt with has been through Tinder (I have met in total 7 girls though Tinder, 5 of them with Batshit nuts).

The craziest girl I have met was through daygame, although unlike online game, she was rather an exception rather than the norm.

And... it depends on where you live....

1. In some countries, especially where in Scandinavia where I used to live, everyone who is normal and not socially awkward would go out the week end. Thus people who go to clubs are the same people who you will go to school with, or work with, or meet in the street. Not going out at least a few times a month will make you seem weird.
2. In France, people drink every night (LOL). Same would go for Spain. They don't just hit the bars and clubs the week end but also the week day. Does that make all French girls "crazy girls"? That's an absurd claim.
3. In Eastern Europe, it is mostly trashy and crazy girls who hit the field. At least in my experience.
4. The US may be differently
5. In South-East Asia, it is mostly tourists and hookers (LOL)

Geographic differences may matter.

The craziest girl I have met was through daygame, although unlike online game, she was rather an exception rather than the norm.

Most of the girls I have met have been through the nightlife. And sure I have met some nutjobs from there, but actually shockingly few. I am not known in this community to rant about my problems with nutjobs. And interestingly, I never complain about crazy women, or drama, or other bad stuff. In fact, look at my history in this community - how many posts have you seen from me even mentioning the word "drama" or "crazy girl". Barely any.

---

I must say that it is very odd that people who do not do night game on a regular basis seems to make rather bold claims about night game. Ironically, nightgamers seems to be the one who complain the less about crazy girls and drama. Weird isn't it? To mention a few nightgamer:
- Pablo Pelusita
- Carousel
- MrSuave (inactive)
- Razorjack
- Myself
- Cosy/Cody Lyans

How many of us has made thread complaining about drama? or Crazy girls?

I think people should reflect on that.

I do not know what explains this phenomenon. Maybe we just do not care about drama. Maybe there are other factors at play. Nevertheless that is a fun fact that requires further reflection.

But to me, this discussion is just outright silly.

-Teevster