Before you read this one please
read part 1, if not you will be lost here... My goal is to teach you long term effective way to screen and seduce and keep women, regardless if you want a virgin, a low count girl or _______ in the blank girl.... Second, is to show you there are not differences in women regardless how you meet them, since women are women... (just like i did with texting and dance floor, it will be a long series of posts)
Before I start I need to give context on what I am going to write CAUSE IS IMPORTANT SO YOU CAN RELATE.- I was what some guys call a "latin macho","blue pill alpha" "territorial alpha", "Alpha 1.0" in other words a hard core latin alpha/italian/hispanic type... Possessive, jealous, would get insecure if she talk to other dudes, looking for a Madonna/virgin, low lay count type to marry, but cheating on the side (majority of natural alphas out there)...
^ this is because naturally we want respect, and even when you are a seducer/player/lover when women do something behind your back, you get super angry, you feel betrayed, cause when we fuck around is like watching a porno a cum bucket does not mean shit to us.... But when the majority of women fuck around is not the norm there is either dissatisfaction on the relationship in most cases, she has low integrity, she is not sexually satisfied, or she is checked out and she lost respect or is the end or close to it... Cause having sex is of greater risk to a women than to a man (more on this later)
When I Joined the community accidentally, already with high lay count and good success, met in a chat tva/teevester/Alek obviously fighting as always, then we would talk here and there discuss seduction, he told me about his favorite post back then even though he did not like much rsd, was
the secret society of sex by Tyler, he gave me a link i read it, and i didn't get it (I was a natural), eventually he wrote a follow up post (i will quote at the very end cause is not as important as the 2 types of men/Madonna whore)... Then he invited me to nextasf, were he wrote some type of post (long one) about secret society and stuff and most of the posters there were poly/open guys, jws, tuburao, bd, teevester, nwp, franco(no chase franco/original franco) and the likes, so i started opening and understanding and field testing and looking back on when i did crazy shit like 3 some/swing clubs etc... Reverse engineering with the understanding of the why?
^ but skills, "i really want a mono girl with low lay count" don't care about none of that shit, i want a marriage, kids and family with a low lay count girl, don't you get it, and i can only find that in some type of day game/social circle." (obviously i think is ridiculous) but hear me out... YOU STILL MUST UNDERSTAND, INTERNALIZE, AND HAVE HER BELIEVE 1000000% what i am going to tell you....
^ Disclaimer.-even if you understand, internalize, memorize and believe it(i am talking the 2 types of men and Madonna/whore.... You need to sell it to her/them for minimum a month to 6 months...(for me personally i can do it in a month but most of you need 6 cause you can not influence like i can)... I am not talking about a gambit or routine (by the way, this was my sex talk for years mix with grandmaster before the 8 orgasms and the other stuff that i use now aka sexual prizing)... Cause she will text for congruence for a while, bluff, etc... She needs to be a million % sure at times before opening up cause she probably has been burned in the past or heard stories of friends etc.....
"again skills i am not interested why do i need to care about this shit" good question, cause no matter if you want a virgin that will never cheat on you or a really low lay count girl, you will never know the truth unless SHE FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING BLUNT AND OPENING UP WITHOUT REPRECUSSIONS IT MAY BACKFIRE" bingo.... Again this is not accomplish with a routine or gambit, she will test and test and test for congruency and a belief in what you are saying for minimum 1 months max 6 months during that time you need to get "HER SEXUAL HISTORY AND HER HISTORY OF CHEATING AND CRAZY SHIT SHE DID" awwww, now you get it.... I know shit about women that their best friends, family, lawyers etc... don't even know... So do you think this info help me with screening for ltr???
^ Women are a million times better players than you will ever be, if she detects you smell like ltr she will put an oscar performance, get it? and no you will not know due to your so called "experience"...
So again, read it, understand it, internalize it, and most important you need to sell this to her for a period of time till she is a million % sure that she can totally open up to you about everything she has done sexually:
“Lover VS Provider” Theory And The M/W Complex By Teevester aka Tva_oslo:
Women are seeking two types of mates – call it different providers. Consider sex being a trade, what you are trading for the sex defines what kind of provider you are. The men women are seeking who are confident, independent, attractive having a lot of women chasing them are called “sex providers” – this is the man women finds sexually attractive – the man who women would like to have sex just for the sake of having sex. These men are often behaving sexually toward women, making themselves being perceived as sexual beings – sex providers. This type of men is usually called “alpha males” or “lovers” in community lingo. Important to point out, these men are trading sex for sex. However, these are a minority – whereas the majority of men are providers of anything else of women’s needs such as social value, material goods, emotional support and so on. These men will trade something else than sex in for having sex with a woman. As a matter of fact this type of providers tend to get sex from being in relationships with women.
Now you might ask why is that a problem? Well whenever a woman gets “too attracted to you” in ways that are not purely sexual (-i.e. not perceiving you as lover/sex provider), women will tend to act in very pure and a-sexual way toward those men – she will start expressing purity. This is because she feels more attractive when ever she acts non-sexual toward men and feels unattractive when she is behaving too sexually or promiscuous. Women in fact believe we men do not like women who are sexually open – as they are very familiar with the complex many men have which is called “the Madonna/whore” complex. There are many versions of this complex but the most common one is described as men perceiving women as either plain whores, who are just sex tools without, who are useless when it comes to relationships, or “madonnas”, which men perceives as pure and good. These “madonnas” being known as the pure and correct women, are often perceived by men as better fitted for relationships. Women aware of the following will then act in way that communicates that she is a Madonna – in order words she will behave very a-sexually toward male who they perceive as potential relationship candidates. This is because they believe, and they are right in most of the case that men usually do prefer women that are “pure and correct” because men fantasize about women that are exclusive to them.
The sad fact is that the idea of the pure Madonna remains just a plain fantasy. The cold fact is that no women are pure madonnas, neither are they whores for that instance – any women can be sweet and correct, but they are also “whores” as every women have a sexual biological drive – this is a universal truth about healthy women. Still many men believe some madonnas do exist – we have all heard “she is not like the rest”. Now the problem occurs whenever a man is too attractive to a woman in a way that is not just purely sexual, she starts perceiving that man as a boyfriend potential – nothing bad with that, but she will perceive him as a provider – meaning that the relationship would not be based on the sexual aspect. Therefore she is better off expressing her “Madonna side” by showing purity – acting a-sexual in order to win her man over, as that what believes works. This is why women will often make men wait for sex – “I am not that kind of girl” –, which is something we don’t want to happen. We don’t want women to act pure toward us, as we want sexual openness – women fucking us quickly and good. Many times we just want to simply fuck a girl, not enter a relationship – or if we do want to enter a relationship with that girl, we do not want to commit on a false premise – her being a pure Madonna. A quick word of advice is to never ever enter a relationship on her terms – as you don’t want to exchange sex for anything else than sex. Keep in mind that you can easily start relationships with women by being perceived as a sex provider – these relationships will be of better quality and last longer.
here is the video if you don't like reading...
ok if you want to go a bit deeper then read this (not as important as the above) by teevester as well:
Intro/Disclaimer
It seems like this community is advocating sexual openness and a particular view on how men should behave toward women and their own sexuality, while they fail to really understand the bigger picture and the other people around them who are not identical to themselves or the group they belong to(in our case the community). I Decided therefore to write an essay about what has often been reffered to as the matrix. Again this a rather philosophical essay. I do share some insights on evolutionary biology. You might disagree with what I write on this concern, but the main point of this essay is to illustrate how the secret society works, why it exists followed with a description of the members. I hope the discussion will be based on these facts and not the part concerning evolutionary biology, because I have to admit it, I am no expert. Also keep in mind that this is a very abstract text. This is just how I see the world. Your view might be different and I accept this fact. This post is based on an old post by Tyler Durden called "The Secret Society". You can find a link to the original post here: http://www.bristollair.com/2008/inner-g ... t-society/
The Sources Of The Secret Society
Morality In Our Society
Our society is made of a vast population - people from different backgrounds, values and desires. Groups will be created, then norms and from there constitutions as well. These moral norms have been created with an intention. Sometimes, and even often these intentions are good, but sometime they are made to create order in our society, without really having a good normative justification. Some of these moral laws have the purpose of limiting our primitive nature for the welfare of the majority. It can be argued whether this solution is a normative good thing or not. However, as a matter of fact, this is the status quo these days. We have some moral laws that have become somewhat accepted by the majority and thus become conventional. This means that each individual in our society expects us to follow these “rules”.
Human Nature, Mating And Sexuality
As an example, which this topic is about, is our sexuality and our relationship to the opposite sex (I am not taking into consideration homosexuality). Human beings require sex, all off them. It is part of our survival instincts. Evolutionary biology has ingrained in us a drive to reproduce - to bond with other human beings and have sex with them. However, the reproduction process is unjust and works like a system of “survival of the fittest” which means that some humans will be better off in their search of mates than other. The explanation is that humans get sexually attracted to people with better genes, such as looks, attitude, and behavior. Sadly, humans are not equal when it comes to genetics. Some are more attractive than others as some have better genes. The mating game was rather hypergamies. Only the best men would have a female mate and vice versa.
However, things turns out to be even less egalitarian for men than for women. In fact each women have pretty much equal status. Men, still being interested in finding mates of good genes (especially when it comes to looks) they are still not so dependent of it. This is because men are more independent when it comes to survival than women. Men are thus less desperate about finding the mate with the perfect genes, but instead have more interests in spreading their genes to as many women as possible in order to guarantee their reproduction and hopefully impregnate one women will good genes. However on the other side, women can only be impregnated by one man at the time, and getting impregnated for a women is not an easy deal. She is stuck for 9 month with pregnancy, and if we consider we lived as the cavemen’s did, which means that no constitutions nor laws were created, but simply allowing our natural instincts ruling, then we can conclude that men have no obligation to raise up the offspring, whereas the women has to do so due to her maternal instincts. Consider that women are also in hurry to reproduce, as the longevity of her fertilely is limited.
The main point we could take from this is that most men cares more about quantity whereas females more about quality. Women are more selective than men – only the men with the best genes will be attractive to women. This however, creates certain problems that many believe we should not live with in our society. The problems lies in the fact that a little group of men, will be extremely attractive to women (often referred to as alpha males – a minority), resulting in the majority of men, who are less sexually attractive, remain useless (often referred to as beta male – the majority). However, for females, the story is a little different as most women have a chance to find a mate, and the mating game is rather egalitarian – in general the numbers of mates per females is rather equal. However, for men, it is only this group of very attractive males that gets all the females. Nature is mean. All humans have a reproductionary instinct, and this instinct is of a great importance. The problematic occurs when there are males who are not able to find a mate – in fact, this goes for the majority of men, as most women only seek the most attractive males and therefore only have sex with males from this small group.
The Introduction Of Monogamy And Equality
Men were able to kill each other in order to gain values, mates and welfare. This is indeed very relevant as we have seen, men are very jealous at other men who are getting a lot of positive female attention. This has resulted in killings, exclusion and any other means to acquire power. Some ended up victorious, often the strong males, whereas some lost the battle.
As nature is mean, humans have gathered and creating contracts – this is called contractualism. This is when most men, especially the majority whom were the losers of the battle of fittest, prioritized security over the freedom of fighting for their own welfare. Their desire was to introduce a contract that could guarantee each man a level of security in order to guarantee their belongings. A lot of positive effects for everybody have been generated this way. We have introduced laws and constitutions that guarantee our security, our belongings while allowing a development of our society that has benefited us all. However, not every aspects resulting from these societal contracts have benefitted us all. In fact, on the mating scene, the introduction of monogamy has taken place to guarantee everybody’s safety on the prize of his or her freedom. As we have seen, the majority of men were not the winners in the mating game, and only a small minority of attractive males (the alpha males), ended up with all the females. Therefore as the genetic weakest men were the majority, they introduced monogamy with the purpose of making a more egalitarian society, which guaranteed and secured each man one single mate – for life. This has been amplified by the introduction of religions (such as Christianity), constitutional laws and conventional moral laws. Marriage was one way of worshipping this new order.
This way, our society became egalitarian on the mating scene. The few very attractive men, who were taking all the mates, were now supposed to be more or less equal to any other men, and the men who used to be the loser of the mating games, are not anymore as big losers as they used to be. This is why the majority of men not only enjoys monogamy as a chose of life, which is in their freedom, they also defend the ideal against anyone who challenges it, disagrees with it or simply choose to live differently. Most women are also defending the ideal of monogamy as this guarantees them perpetual security and provision, for themselves and their offspring.
The Introduction Of Sanctions For Anti-Conventional Behavior
It is also very important to point out that men were introducing this concept of monogamy. Therefore in order to control and force women to join their new order of the mating scene, they had to use rather severe means. The use of punishment all the way to capital punishment, sanctions, and high use of shaming have all been introduced in order to make women obey to the rule of monogamy. The most common type of sanction was shaming, especially the “slut-shaming” where a woman was judged for having promiscuous activities – these women who practiced the following were often excluded, viewed as incorrect, unclean, sluts, whores… This could ruin the social status of women, as exclusion could work against their need for security they so much seek. Therefore women have become rather protective and careful about their actions and sexuality.
The Secret Society
However, even though the introduction of the new order of monogamy which worked against human nature, did indeed appease it and created some order. However the laws of nature still remains and biology can only be appeased but no social norms can rule it out. As a matter of fact, women are still biologically the same, and the most attractive men in the mating game that used to have many options, remains as attractive and will still has the same options. The only big difference is that the conventional views, morals and values that have been introduced with the new order of monogamous thinking were working against them. As a result, these few men have continued their sexual activities with multiple females. But as these businesses were viewed as rather shady, bad mannered and immoral, they became underground and secret. A secret society was thus born.
This society, which would be more indirectly described as an abstract sub-culture had to remain secret in order to not awake the anger of the majority of men and guarantee the security of female members – as we just covered, was severely sanctioned for having promiscuous activities. Therefore the membership of this society was secret, with the purpose of protecting the members from sanctions from the majority. As this secret society was allowing for “promiscuous” activities to take place, which was usually seen as immoral by the majority (who were outsiders), the members who were practicing these activities inside this secret society accepted them. Therefore levels of non-judgementalism became a core element of this underground movement. The activities who were normally seen as immoral by the public - the outside world, was in the secret society seen as completely normal and maybe even moral.
Jugementalism inside this “secret society” would destroy the main values of it, and result in killing itself from within. Therefore mutual acceptance and respect of desires were the primary values that kept it alive. As most people, especially females feared the sanctioning from having promiscuous activity, these people had no choice than to behave like the rest in public. But behind closed doors, reality was completely different. The members, who again contained a majority of females and a minority of men, who were the most sexually attractive, could now be allowed to unleash themselves and let themselves loose. However the member tend to have a “normal” life in public beside their membership of this underground society. Most of them were acting like the rest – publicly defending monogamy, especially women, as the consequences of behaving or speaking out against the ideal of monogamy were severe. Therefore, the female members would act like “well-mannered Madonna’s”, non-promiscuous and hide their true sexuality in public. However, their behaviour was far from reflecting their true self. Their secret society behaviour, were these were sexually free, had to and undercover, almost non-existent to the public.
As a result, women would only behave like secret society members – being sexually open, open for promiscuous activities and being honest about their true sexuality only in the presence of either female members, or in the presence of the few men who were also members. But as the secret society remains truly secret, nobody from the outside would be accepted into it. This means that even if some members gathered, the secret society would not be revealed if any one from awareness from the outside were taking place. If an outsider were present the member would simply keep acting like they would do in public – behaving according to the conventional moral laws.
The Communication of Membership
Since the minority of men are members of the secret society, women could not risk being open about their membership – they, more than men had to keep their membership very secret due to the severe punishment, which men was less of a victim of – at least to a certain degree. Therefore the men had to reveal their membership to the women in order to allow the female members to express their membership in return. The other way around would not have been possible as if women could risk expressing their membership to men who weren’t members (which is a majority), they would not only have higher risks of meeting men who would sanction them, but the sanction would be very high. Therefore, men have to reveal their membership first in order to allow women to respond.
The way the male member communicated their membership was by showing signs of sexual openness and acceptance of human nature - by understand their own and the women’s sexual nature. This is done by communicating a non-judgemental attitude toward sex, mutual understanding, communicating an interest in committing promiscuous activities, in other words understanding the purpose of the secret society. The purpose as we have seen was to keep promiscuous activities between a regulated group of people away from the public as these activities had big consequences for them, especially women. When a man has communicated his membership, a woman will communicate hers in response and the rituals could finally take place.
A Sexually Liberated Society To The Rescue Of The Current Order?
Today the idea of monogamy still lives, yet is challenged as religious influences has decreased, our laws are more liberal as a result of sciences and awareness of our own nature. Still, the idea lives strong today but as our awareness of our of own sexuality has increased, many have questioned this ideal. Many have been thinking about other ways of doing playing the mating game that might sound more appealing. An example of what have been advocated a lot is the idea of introducing universal polyamory as a replacement to universal monogamy. However, these who advocates this new possibility fails to understand the differences between what works in theory and what works in practice. In fact, there is a reason, as we have covered for why monogamy was introduced and why the ideal is so strong – it is because most men are not attractive on the mating market. The ideals of monogamy were made to secure the majority of getting one mate, and keep it forever. With the introduction of universal polyamory, we re-introduce freedom of sex – the same problem that was around before monogamy was introduced, that is that the it will favour those few men who are very sexually attractive to females, which is a minority, on the cost of the majority, the men who are not so attractive on the mating market.
However many have argued for a change in our society by making it more sexually liberated, where everyone would behave like members of the secret society. That monogamy disappears, and polyamory would become the new doxa. That men and women would have sex with each other without implications and sanctions, no judgement for sexual behaviour. A world were everybody enjoys each other sexually, an egalitarian world where everybody is happy.
Of course, I agree that this ideal of universal sexual liberty sounds like a positive idea, but it remains a utopia that can’t take place, for multiple reasons. First of all, it will put things back where it all started – the same minority of men will get all the females and the majority will be left out without mates. A lot of conflicts as a result of the frustration of the majority of men who are left behind will take place. There will be no structure on the mating game; resulting in no peace and the society will stop moving forward. Monogamy and restrictions of human sexuality was in fact introduced with the purpose of creating justice, as a response to nature who was acting unjust. Therefore it is practically impossible to introduce this utopia. Also, if we leave out this problem and consider the mating game completely egalitarian (which it is not), then the introduction of a society that is completely sexually free will result in the death of the secret society, which will remove from the members all the privileges we have gathered. We might sound egoistical, but that is what an attractive male is, and deep inside of us, we do not want to risk our privileges for the common good, especially when there other solutions that are better such as having universal ideal of monogamy in our society, while having a secret society that remains underground. This way, everyone becomes happy. The males who were usually not attractive on the mate market will now be under control, while they will remain ignorant of the fact that their woman, who still seeks the most attractive males, will keep having sex with these males in the context of a secret society.
Equality – Making All Men Into Secret Society Members?
Many would argue that all these men, who are not favorable on the mating market, could simply work on themselves and thus become secret society member on their own. All that is required to make the mating game just and fair was to hope that men would simply work on their beliefs, attitudes and confidence and thus become sexually attractive secret society member. There are multiple objections to the following. The first one is that not all men are fitted for development – in fact they lack ambitions to do so. They are lazy. Laziness and lacking motivation to pursue any higher goals is one of the greatest signs of weakness – which is unattractive to women. These men do not want to get better. On the other hand, we need those men – not everyone can or should become winners. Of course some men can become more sexually attractive and become secret society members, simply because the required ambitions, they have the ambitions most men doesn’t have and they are willing to fight for welfare, status and their own well being. This is a rare trait, and even if those men don’t have any success yet, they still have the potentials. That is all that matters.
Keep in mind that looks shows good genetics and is attractive to women, but attitude and confidence is also very important, maybe even more. The good thing is that these things can be handled, and a man can develop himself into a sexually attractive male. He can also better his looks for that instance. Women find men with potentials really attractive as well, of course less than men who already have success, but if a man wants to succeed and pursue his goals, he will get there. Some men would have to work more than others, but if a man truly seeks victory, victory should follow. But the majority are not among those, they are not willing to change, they are not willing to challenge their beliefs, they are not willing to move away from their misery and these men simply want to be stuck in their weak life. Therefore the idea of monogamy will remain to exist, because these men will remain the way they are, and would remain “happy” about it.
The Traits Of The Secret Society
However, a man with ambitions and willing to change will not be guaranteed an entrance into the secret society. Many men do have social success, often when it comes to power, and social values. These things are indeed attractive, but are not secret society like. These traits are attractive to women, but in a way that is not purely sexual. In fact, women become rather interested in the man’s social values rather than sex. This makes them rather good providers rather than good lovers, men who are used simply for sex, the sex itself. Instead, these men who are good providers, are actually well fitted for monogamy. Women in fact, have nothing against keeping a man for a long time, in a monogamous relationship, as this guarantees her security and welfare. However, they will still seek the best genes and the best sex. The men who are the most sexually attractive to women are secret society members. These members are very confident about sexuality, have an attractive attitude and positive mindsets around sex and women. As we have covered above, any “rituals” that takes place in the secret society are viewed as taboo, and therefore a man needs to sub-communicate his membership to women in order to allow them to take place.
Therefore a man who wants to become a member of the secret society need to have ambitions to challenge themselves and the conventional views about sex (such as those of monogamy), to become more confident, to develop an attractive attitude. They also need to learn the rules and the codes of the secret society. If they don’t learn the rules, they can’t be accepted as members, as the secret society is created as an underground movement, with the purpose of allowing selected members to live out their sexuality in a protected environment, and therefore a lot of precautions have to be taken – therefore there are a lot of rules and codes. The first rule is being non-judgemental about sex – nobody is allowed to judge anyone for their desires and sexuality, people gets judged a lot in society and the purpose of the secret society is to exactly allow activities that the public is judgemental about. Another rule is mutual understanding when it comes to sexuality. The secret society has been created as a result of a mutual interests between selected members, therefore understanding each other is a requirement. Other rules could be described as being passionate, adventurous and positive toward sex, the secret society was made as a result of individuals (the selected members) not being satisfied with the conventional practice of sex.
As the secret society had to remain secret, in order to become a member, men have to communicate their membership. If they don’t, they will just be perceived like one of the rest. They will simply not appear as members in the eyes of the other members. Therefore a man needs to learn how to communicate their membership. This is often done by sub-communication. Acting non-judgemental, showing mutual understanding, accepting others view on sexuality, being adventurous, displaying a desire to have sex without any implications (such as following any conventional rituals such as having sex in the context of a monogamous relationships) , displaying a desire to experience sex for the sex itself, willing to experiment and willing to make sex happen under the frame of the secret society. Basically, it is all about communicating the elements of the secret society, it’s purpose and it’s rules. This way, a man can communicate his membership.
Conclusion
Nature is unjust. Some men were very victorious in the mating game got all the female mates, whereas others were left behind. Sadly, only a little minority were victorious in the mating game. As the Majority were the losers, they have gathered together with the hope of creating an order that would help maintain justice in the mating game. This was done by the introduction of ideal such as monogamy, putting restrictions on men who had success in the mating game, in order to redistribute an equal share to everybody. However, this went against human nature, and those who used to be successful in the mating game before the introduction of these new ideals, gathered together into a secret society, hidden from the outside world, where they could practice activities that were normally disapproved by the public. This secret society had to remain secret. Therefore a lot of codes and rules were introduced. The main elements of the secret society was acceptance and mutual understanding, being non-judgemental and having a desire to commit promiscuous activities. While some has advocated the necessity of reform in our conventional views around sex, monogamy will remain as it guarantees safety and security for the majority, who, without it would gain big losses. Therefore the secret society will remain, forever.
