Why would it hurt the lover frame

[DonJuan..]

Why would it hurt the lover frame when she knows I can play guitar and piano very well. I don’t quite understand the lover role, how can I learn to be a good lover? I already read the articles in the forum about it but it doesn’t really help. I’m starting to get frustrated about it and don’t know what to do and where to start. Please help guys

 

[Zoro]

Why would it hurt the lover frame when she knows I can play guitar and piano very well.

Where did you hear this? Being a musician can help with your lover frame.

I don’t quite understand the lover role, how can I learn to be a good lover?

Traits of a good lover:

Experienced
Good awareness of their partner's moment to moment changes in moods/needs
playful/flirty
can create an "experience" ex. turning a walk into an adventure
knows how to create sexual tension
creates comfort
leads

What is your current experience with women? Do you have any experiences lately that you can give a FR on?

 

[DonJuan..]

Where did you hear this? Being a musician can help with your lover frame.

Traits of a good lover:

Experienced
Good awareness of their partner's moment to moment changes in moods/needs
playful/flirty
can create an "experience" ex. turning a walk into an adventure
knows how to create sexual tension
creates comfort
leads

What is your current experience with women? Do you have any experiences lately that you can give a FR on?

I don’t have much experience with women but I’m naturally flirty and fun to be with. Some enjoy it, some don’t enjoy my sense of humour. That’s why I’m very careful that women meet my standards and are able to vibe with me , else I can expect only negativity. I’m so far struggling much more over text. I can create comfort, sexual tension and all other things you mentioned, but it doesn’t really help because I struggle to calibrate it properly sometimes. It’s like fuck I exaggerated with the tension and now she bailed and stopped responding. I don’t know l, I found women gaslight men even though you do things right. I found that particularly the case when I got muscular, beautiful women are much more interested but average, ugly and fat women despise you or give standoffish vibes, mostly due to their insecurities. It’s hard to stay confident because at some point the things your mistakes accumulate and you start to think that the things you did right maybe was wrong or they weren’t interested at all? It so confusing and damaging to my self-esteem.

another question would be when I should display value over text and reallife? Is there any step by step guide for this. Thanks in advance

 

[DonJuan..]

Where did you hear this? Being a musician can help with your lover frame.

Traits of a good lover:

Experienced
Good awareness of their partner's moment to moment changes in moods/needs
playful/flirty
can create an "experience" ex. turning a walk into an adventure
knows how to create sexual tension
creates comfort
leads

What is your current experience with women? Do you have any experiences lately that you can give a FR on?

To the other question, I heard it in this forum. Because playing instruments are more boyfriend qualities, which in this case would be counterproductive or not?

 

[Skills]

To the other question, I heard it in this forum. Because playing instruments are more boyfriend qualities, which in this case would be counterproductive or not?

Total none sense how does playing instrument have anything to do with lover provider equation is on the top of the most ridiculous things i ever heard...broke musicians are providers??

The op what is that you dont understand are you sure you read the articles. They are extremely water down and broken down...

Lover and provider is based actions, behaviors and subcommunication....

 

[DonJuan..]

Total none sense how does playing instrument have anything to do with lover provider equation is on the top of the most ridiculous things i ever heard...broke musicians are providers??

The op what is that you dont understand are you sure you read the articles. They are extremely water down and broken down...

Lover and provider is based actions, behaviors and subcommunication....

I read it and I also watched almost all of your videos, that’s why I messaged you for advice. I assume some women associate being musically talented with intelligence, the expensive piano and all the well known musicians. So a high value trait you would provide, I assume? This is just speculation from my side, someone years before mentioned it here.
I read so far so much articles that I actually don’t understand with what I should begin with. How do I convey the lover frame step by step? What are all the things I definitely Should avoid to convey the boyfriend frame? I’m just confused

 

[Zoro]

I’m so far struggling much more over text. I can create comfort, sexual tension and all other things you mentioned, but it doesn’t really help because I struggle to calibrate it properly sometimes. It’s like fuck I exaggerated with the tension and now she bailed and stopped responding.

Less is more with texting.

I wouldn’t do much more than setting up the date, and one or two messages of banter.

another question would be when I should display value over text and reallife?

Don’t bother over text.

I think you’re overthinking this. Don’t worry about displaying value for now, instead I would focus on things like compliance, leading, escalation, flirting, deep diving.

 

[Zoro]

I assume some women associate being musically talented with intelligence, the expensive piano and all the well known musicians. So a high value trait you would provide, I assume?

Again, overthinking this.

I would stop reading articles, and get out into the field while focusing on basic things. Leading and compliance are way more important than worrying about provider and lover dynamics in the beginning.

Also after you’ve gone out a few times, you can make up a FR and we can see if there is anything you’re doing that needs to be addressed.

Seems to me that you’ve gone down the rabbit hole with articles, and the problem is even though the articles here are high quality, real life gaming can look and feel very different. Some things you just need to experience to understand.

 

[Skills]

I don’t have much experience with women but I’m naturally flirty and fun to be with. Some enjoy it, some don’t enjoy my sense of humour. That’s why I’m very careful that women meet my standards and are able to vibe with me , else I can expect only negativity. I’m so far struggling much more over text. I can create comfort, sexual tension and all other things you mentioned, but it doesn’t really help because I struggle to calibrate it properly sometimes. It’s like fuck I exaggerated with the tension and now she bailed and stopped responding. I don’t know l, I found women gaslight men even though you do things right. I found that particularly the case when I got muscular, beautiful women are much more interested but average, ugly and fat women despise you or give standoffish vibes, mostly due to their insecurities. It’s hard to stay confident because at some point the things your mistakes accumulate and you start to think that the things you did right maybe was wrong or they weren’t interested at all? It so confusing and damaging to my self-esteem.

another question would be when I should display value over text and reallife? Is there any step by step guide for this. Thanks in advance

In the texting is about flirting and pushing things forward, read my texting guides they are all field tested, and the guys following are getting success... write a journal...

 

[DonJuan..]

In the texting is about flirting and pushing things forward, read my texting guides they are all field tested, and the guys following are getting success... write a journal...

I did one of them, but what if they don’t respond at some point? Do I persist? Wait? Let’s say a week is gone and no respond from here in the middle of the conversation

 

[Skills]

I did one of them, but what if they don’t respond at some point? Do I persist? Wait?

Write a journal keep in mind the guys having success was not automatic they had to test a lot to get it... you need to post the convos

 

[DonJuan..]

Write a journal keep in mind the guys having success was not automatic they had to test a lot to get it... you need to post the convos

We had first fun and playful banter she laughed a lot and responded very fast even at 3am later on she posted a pic with a cat:
Said: you like cats?

she said yes, I love cats I have 2 cats in my home

me: I love cats as well and told her story how the cat of my aunt always woke us up by knocking on the doors early in the morning and that I find them cute. I asked her why cats as pets.

she further yes I really love them, wrote a similar long text as me and said as well that she find them cute
she responded with dogs need more attention + time and effort

Then I replied with : then freedom and free time must be very important for you..

she said yesss I’m working 12 hours in my internship it really is

then I responded sexual that we have something common we both loved to please our lovely pussys + sex talk that women want freedom in sexual sense as well and that it is important for me because the relationship otherwise wouldn’t be honest because of that and that I understand that they don’t feel free and struggle to let themselves be free due to society and their shamings. It was a long text.

but that’s also where she didn’t responded to that.

6days later (today) I messaged her with: knock knock

expecting her to say who is there? So I can proceed with my conversation plan I have made, but again no respond

I don’t remember all messages, but hope this helps to proceed further here. She was first shaming me that it was disgusting, but used sex talk as well there. I think she knows I’m right and I’m pretty sure I conveyed very well the secret society. But she just doesn’t respond anymore

 

[Skills]

We had first fun and playful banter she laughed a lot and responded very fast even at 3am later on she posted a pic with a cat:
Said: you like cats?

she said yes, I love cats I have 2 cats in my home

me: I love cats as well and told her story how the cat of my aunt always woke us up by knocking on the doors early in the morning and that I find them cute. I asked her why cats as pets.

she further yes I really love them, wrote a similar long text as me and said as well that she find them cute
she responded with dogs need more attention + time and effort

Then I replied with : then freedom and free time must be very important for you..

she said yesss I’m working 12 hours in my internship it really is

then I responded sexual that we have something common we both loved to please our lovely pussys + sex talk that women want freedom in sexual sense as well and that it is important for me because the relationship otherwise wouldn’t be honest because of that and that I understand that they don’t feel free and struggle to let themselves be free due to society and their shamings. It was a long text.

but that’s also where she didn’t responded to that.

6days later (today) I messaged her with: knock knock

expecting her to say who is there? So I can proceed with my conversation plan I have made, but again no respond

I don’t remember all messages, but hope this helps to proceed further here. She was first shaming me that it was disgusting, but used sex talk as well there. I think she knows I’m right and I’m pretty sure I conveyed very well the secret society. But she just doesn’t respond anymore

Bro post the convo in a journal...

 

[DonJuan..]

Bro post the convo in a journal...

I did now

How to proceed? Attainability maybe?

It was over Snapchat. We had first fun and playful banter she laughed a lot and responded very fast even at 3am later on she posted a pic with a cat: Said: you like cats? she said yes, I love cats I have 2 cats in my home me: I love cats as well and told her story how the cat of my aunt always...

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