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Sub-Zero

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I was told that women mostly want men within their age range, so it made me wonder.

I’m just curious for somewhat older guys just getting into game that want younger women, is it a problem?

I can understand why men want younger women; women past 26 all want to talk about marriage n relationships.

So I’m asking this with the example of 2 normal men. Let’s just say they’re 10 years apart and they both work regular jobs, in decent shape, same level of game, etc. one is just older than the other.

Why would younger women want an older dude when they can get one their age?

Does the older guy need more money?

Does he just have to move faster than the younger guy?

Would the older guy be better off with women his age?
 

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Sub-Zero

In my opinion, having 2 vague categories like younger & older is not going to give you much valuable insight.

Allow me to temporarily hijack this thread.

This is also limited to girls / women younger than 30 years

Let's split this into 4 categories of guys:

Group 1: Young Guns (< 30 y.o. great to excellent seduction skills)
  • The top seduction guys under 30
  • Guys like Baachus, Teevster, probably some others that I don't know about
  • Higher, more dynamic energy / aura levels
Group 2: Older Guns (40+, great to excellent seduction skills)
  • The top seduction guys over 40
  • Guys like Skills, Gunwitch, myself and a few of my natural friends like M-natural, a lot of the old schoolers still in the game
  • Calmer, mature energy / aura levels
Group 3: Young Average guys (< 30 y.o., very poor to average seduction skills)
  • The majority of guys in the world and on this forum
  • Higher possibly even chaotic (guys with low confidence) energy / aura levels
Group 4: Older Average guys (40+, very poor to average seduction skills)
  • The majority of guys in the world over 40 years old
  • Lower possibly more confused (guys with low confidence) energy / aura levels
I left out guys in their 30s on purpose and will get back to this in a moment:

First, let's get the obvious out of the way:
Group 1 would smoke Groups 3 & 4
Group 2 would also wipe the floor with Groups 3 & 4 (A lot of people may not believe this but yeah it's true)

These are sweeping conclusions more for discussion rather than scientific fact because it's impossible to categorize skill levels but I would summarize that skills trump age

So what it really comes down to is why would younger women choose Group 4 guy over Group 3 guy?
If an older guy has his shit together and has decent seduction skills, he could do well with a subset of younger women who prefer a calmer, more mature energy / aura, father figure etc.

The major difference besides seduction skills are the energy / aura that women sense. If 2 guys (one younger and one older) have the same skill level, then younger women would gravitate to the energy / aura that best resonates with her.

And finally the guys in their 30s. I personally believe this is the decade where guys have the best of all worlds in terms of energy / aura and overall "attractiveness" that will appeal to the broadest range of women.

So if you're a guy in your 20s and you have good seduction skills, your best years are in front of you.

Hope this made sense.

***Unjacking the thread now****
 

Sub-Zero

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Sub-Zero

In my opinion, having 2 vague categories like younger & older is not going to give you much valuable insight.

Allow me to temporarily hijack this thread.

This is also limited to girls / women younger than 30 years

Let's split this into 4 categories of guys:

Group 1: Young Guns (< 30 y.o. great to excellent seduction skills)
  • The top seduction guys under 30
  • Guys like Baachus, Teevster, probably some others that I don't know about
  • Higher, more dynamic energy / aura levels
Group 2: Older Guns (40+, great to excellent seduction skills)
  • The top seduction guys over 40
  • Guys like Skills, Gunwitch, myself and a few of my natural friends like M-natural, a lot of the old schoolers still in the game
  • Calmer, mature energy / aura levels
Group 3: Young Average guys (< 30 y.o., very poor to average seduction skills)
  • The majority of guys in the world and on this forum
  • Higher possibly even chaotic (guys with low confidence) energy / aura levels
Group 4: Older Average guys (40+, very poor to average seduction skills)
  • The majority of guys in the world over 40 years old
  • Lower possibly more confused (guys with low confidence) energy / aura levels
I left out guys in their 30s on purpose and will get back to this in a moment:

First, let's get the obvious out of the way:
Group 1 would smoke Groups 3 & 4
Group 2 would also wipe the floor with Groups 3 & 4 (A lot of people may not believe this but yeah it's true)

These are sweeping conclusions more for discussion rather than scientific fact because it's impossible to categorize skill levels but I would summarize that skills trump age

So what it really comes down to is why would younger women choose Group 4 guy over Group 3 guy?
If an older guy has his shit together and has decent seduction skills, he could do well with a subset of younger women who prefer a calmer, more mature energy / aura, father figure etc.

The major difference besides seduction skills are the energy / aura that women sense. If 2 guys (one younger and one older) have the same skill level, then younger women would gravitate to the energy / aura that best resonates with her.

And finally the guys in their 30s. I personally believe this is the decade where guys have the best of all worlds in terms of energy / aura and overall "attractiveness" that will appeal to the broadest range of women.

So if you're a guy in your 20s and you have good seduction skills, your best years are in front of you.

Hope this made sense.

***Unjacking the thread now****
That makes perfect sense honestly; aura does matter.

Why do you think this decade is best for 30 year olds?

Thanks!!
 

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That makes perfect sense honestly; aura does matter.

Why do you think this decade is best for 30 year olds?

Thanks!!

Sorry for being unclear. I didn't mean the 2020's decade, I meant the decade in a man's life between 30-40 years old.

This is simply because his energy / aura transitions from energetic & dynamic to calmer / mature combined with an improvement in seduction skills will make him more appealing to a broader range of women

On top of that he will start to get the financials means as well (if he has kept himself in decent shape) his physical energy levels still being high enough to party like no tomorrow or travel around the world like an international playboy or whatever he desires in life.

Note: that I didn't say financial means to attract women, as I don't believe money is needed for that.

After 40, a man's physical energy (not the energy / aura he radiates outward to women) starts to drop and the other desires mentioned above become a lower priority.

Hope this was clearer.
 

Sub-Zero

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Sorry for being unclear. I didn't mean the 2020's decade, I meant the decade in a man's life between 30-40 years old.

This is simply because his energy / aura transitions from energetic & dynamic to calmer / mature combined with an improvement in seduction skills will make him more appealing to a broader range of women

On top of that he will start to get the financials means as well (if he has kept himself in decent shape) his physical energy levels still being high enough to party like no tomorrow or travel around the world like an international playboy or whatever he desires in life.

Note: that I didn't say financial means to attract women, as I don't believe money is needed for that.

After 40, a man's physical energy (not the energy / aura he radiates outward to women) starts to drop and the other desires mentioned above become a lower priority.

Hope this was clearer.
Lmao all good.

I still can’t get rid of this limiting belief that young women won’t find men 30 n up attractive unless he makes good money. Having a car and an apartment isn’t enough.

I think I feel this way because people constantly try to shame men as they get older saying younger women won’t like them unless they pay and they better settle down before it’s too late and they’re the old man in the club, etc.
 
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Lmao all good.

I still can’t get rid of this limiting belief that young women won’t find men 30 n up attractive unless he makes good money. Having a car and an apartment isn’t enough.

I think I feel this way because people constantly try to shame men as they get older saying younger women won’t like them unless they pay and they better settle down before it’s too late and they’re the old man in the club, etc.

Hey @Sub-Zero,

I get it, it's not easy especially if you haven't seen someone do it or experienced it for yourself.

When I first started after my divorce, I was 32 y.o. and when reading seduction community posts ASF / mASF, I couldn't understand a damn thing. I had no one to show me what an AI or IOI was. I literally discovered my game by trial and error and whole lot of blood, sweat and tears.

Did you ever read about where I went out with Teevster the first time? I was 48 at the time, Teevster was 26 I think. I hadn't gone out to pick up in 9 years and I'd never been to any nightclub in Copenhagen before.

Teevster was shocked to see me hooking the hottest 24 year old girls in the nightclub. I'm not saying this to brag, I just want to explain the mindset / mental frame so maybe it could help you.

Back when I used to PU regularly, I used to have a mental preparation that I did before going out. Just look at how elite professional athletes prepare themselves for a big game or competition and you'll get an idea of what I mean. Basically I prepare myself to enter the "zone". After a fantastic performance you'll often hear athletes or announcers say "I / He was in the zone tonight" in post game interviews.

It's a mental state where you reach effortless peak performance. It's a state of mind where there is no thinking, no hesitating, no doubts, nothing is going to stop me from reaching my goal, I'll blow any, every and all obstacles out of my way to hit my mark.

This was how I prepared myself before meeting up with Teevster and it worked then even after a 9 year hiatus.

Your problem is that your too stuck in your own head with these negative thoughts that lead to doubt and hesitation which then affects your results, doesn't matter if it's pick up or sports. You need to start looking for ways that will help you clear the mental garbage holding you back. It's not easy, it requires a lot of trial and error to figure out what works for you and what doesn't but it is so worth it in the end because you can apply it to other disciplines like business.

Hope this was clear.
 

Derek da man

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Just to re-emphasise, as you say it is YOUR limiting belief.

I'm in my 40s (for a few more months anyway) and I regularly PU and date girls in their mid/late 20s. I have a good social circle so I meet lots of girls in a neutral environment. I'm very sociable with everyone there, but I'm quite picky about girls I want to date and I think that's part of what girls find attractive, they have to work a little to get my attention but I'm also fun with it so they are rewarded for their efforts. Unlike a lot of men, usually the younger ones, I don't overtly chase girls. I'm also very discrete in that I don't date them at the venue, I arrange dates outside of this

Next time you're out have a look around at the older men there and see how many are successful. You probably won't find them in typical night clubs but you will find lots of us out in other places.
 

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Hey @Sub-Zero,

I get it, it's not easy especially if you haven't seen someone do it or experienced it for yourself.

When I first started after my divorce, I was 32 y.o. and when reading seduction community posts ASF / mASF, I couldn't understand a damn thing. I had no one to show me what an AI or IOI was. I literally discovered my game by trial and error and whole lot of blood, sweat and tears.

Did you ever read about where I went out with Teevster the first time? I was 48 at the time, Teevster was 26 I think. I hadn't gone out to pick up in 9 years and I'd never been to any nightclub in Copenhagen before.

Teevster was shocked to see me hooking the hottest 24 year old girls in the nightclub. I'm not saying this to brag, I just want to explain the mindset / mental frame so maybe it could help you.

Back when I used to PU regularly, I used to have a mental preparation that I did before going out. Just look at how elite professional athletes prepare themselves for a big game or competition and you'll get an idea of what I mean. Basically I prepare myself to enter the "zone". After a fantastic performance you'll often hear athletes or announcers say "I / He was in the zone tonight" in post game interviews.

It's a mental state where you reach effortless peak performance. It's a state of mind where there is no thinking, no hesitating, no doubts, nothing is going to stop me from reaching my goal, I'll blow any, every and all obstacles out of my way to hit my mark.

This was how I prepared myself before meeting up with Teevster and it worked then even after a 9 year hiatus.

Your problem is that your too stuck in your own head with these negative thoughts that lead to doubt and hesitation which then affects your results, doesn't matter if it's pick up or sports. You need to start looking for ways that will help you clear the mental garbage holding you back. It's not easy, it requires a lot of trial and error to figure out what works for you and what doesn't but it is so worth it in the end because you can apply it to other disciplines like business.

Hope this was clear.
It was all clear, thank you man.
 

Sub-Zero

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Just to re-emphasise, as you say it is YOUR limiting belief.

I'm in my 40s (for a few more months anyway) and I regularly PU and date girls in their mid/late 20s. I have a good social circle so I meet lots of girls in a neutral environment. I'm very sociable with everyone there, but I'm quite picky about girls I want to date and I think that's part of what girls find attractive, they have to work a little to get my attention but I'm also fun with it so they are rewarded for their efforts. Unlike a lot of men, usually the younger ones, I don't overtly chase girls. I'm also very discrete in that I don't date them at the venue, I arrange dates outside of this

Next time you're out have a look around at the older men there and see how many are successful. You probably won't find them in typical night clubs but you will find lots of us out in other places.
So were you always single, when did you start pu?
 

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You god damned liar.
Yeah I was told that women don’t go for men that much older than them because they can get men their age. I’m not saying this is a fact.

Im talking 10+ years, not 5 or less.
 

Derek da man

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So were you always single, when did you start pu?
I didn't start PU until after I was divorced (or at least that was well in process). Prior to that when I was single (15 years earlier) I was fairly immature and couldn't work out women at all. In 2015 I started to read-up on it a little when I saw a post mocking something on FB and they referred to "nice guy syndrome" which I had no idea about. With the help of Mr G**gle and Wiki I looked it up and started to read up on it, and I recognised the descriptions as very much like me.

I read a with a couple of books which changed my understanding of a woman's perspective, her body language and how to read the under lying dynamic between people. This is very much where the journey starts to move up a gear as once you understand some basic concepts you start to see more of what's really going on. Based on that you can then learn more and develope you're understanding further. Like most skills you can't become good without some rudimentary understandings and then hone the skills with time and practice; and of course making lots of mistakes.

I'm still very much a work in progress and by no means an expert but I can avoid making a lot of mistakes that I used to make. Consequently my success rate increased enormously and therefore so does my confidence. I don't use notches on the bed post as a means to validate myself worth, my aim is simply to enjoy the company of a beautiful/sexy lady. If we end up having amazing sex that's a bonus. I'm quite happy to go home alone at the end of the night, although I'll be quite disappointed if that date/meeting has been going well. I get quite analytical, like most guys on here, asking myself where did I go wrong or what could I have improved, should I have set frames better, moved faster, lead more often, etc.

I only found Girlschase about a year ago thanks to Mr G**gle again. That's where I started to break things down much more analytically. I think if I had started there earlier I probably wouldn't have been ready to take on a lot of the information, and even now I go back and read articles again I take on an even better understanding and better ways to apply what they are saying. I also find the suggestions on these boards really helpful in developing my skill set and being able to frame things well.
 

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I didn't start PU until after I was divorced (or at least that was well in process). Prior to that when I was single (15 years earlier) I was fairly immature and couldn't work out women at all. In 2015 I started to read-up on it a little when I saw a post mocking something on FB and they referred to "nice guy syndrome" which I had no idea about. With the help of Mr G**gle and Wiki I looked it up and started to read up on it, and I recognised the descriptions as very much like me.

I read a with a couple of books which changed my understanding of a woman's perspective, her body language and how to read the under lying dynamic between people. This is very much where the journey starts to move up a gear as once you understand some basic concepts you start to see more of what's really going on. Based on that you can then learn more and develope you're understanding further. Like most skills you can't become good without some rudimentary understandings and then hone the skills with time and practice; and of course making lots of mistakes.

I'm still very much a work in progress and by no means an expert but I can avoid making a lot of mistakes that I used to make. Consequently my success rate increased enormously and therefore so does my confidence. I don't use notches on the bed post as a means to validate myself worth, my aim is simply to enjoy the company of a beautiful/sexy lady. If we end up having amazing sex that's a bonus. I'm quite happy to go home alone at the end of the night, although I'll be quite disappointed if that date/meeting has been going well. I get quite analytical, like most guys on here, asking myself where did I go wrong or what could I have improved, should I have set frames better, moved faster, lead more often, etc.

I only found Girlschase about a year ago thanks to Mr G**gle again. That's where I started to break things down much more analytically. I think if I had started there earlier I probably wouldn't have been ready to take on a lot of the information, and even now I go back and read articles again I take on an even better understanding and better ways to apply what they are saying. I also find the suggestions on these boards really helpful in developing my skill set and being able to frame things well.
Really inspiring story!! How did you get your social circle and sleep with 20 something year old women? Idk if you wrote that already somewhere on here but I’m interested. And I think I read that you’re Black? Just curious because I have had Black men around your age saying to me that attracting women that are a lot younger isn’t possible unless money is involved. So it would be refreshing to see the opposite of that because all I keep hearing is that from them.
 

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Just curious because I have had Black men around your age saying to me that attracting women that are a lot younger isn’t possible unless money is involved.

And how good were these guys seduction skills? Probably pretty weak if they have to pay their way to sex.

"Don't get advice on how to get rich from broke people" the saying goes.
 

Derek da man

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Really inspiring story!! How did you get your social circle and sleep with 20 something year old women? Idk if you wrote that already somewhere on here but I’m interested. And I think I read that you’re Black? Just curious because I have had Black men around your age saying to me that attracting women that are a lot younger isn’t possible unless money is involved. So it would be refreshing to see the opposite of that because all I keep hearing is that from them.
This is going to go a bit off topic but I'll happily answer.

Nope, not Black, I'm as white as they come, and no more than a very light tan in the summer - maybe. I like to think I've got my fundamentals sorted, good hair cut, a bit of style in the way I dress, etc. I had to ask a lady friend to help me with that though because I was pretty awful without her advice. I'm average looking, some girls think I'm good looking, some don't, much the same as we see girls I guess. It did take me a couple of years to realise I sometimes over dress a little which can put you in the "unattainable" category but I'd always say slightly over dress than under dress for a night out.

I started going to Salsa classes, but you could easily replace that with Ceroc or anything similar that provides a good social mix and is a bit cool in your area. The class is basically a bit like "speed dating" without awkward silences, in that you move round to a new lady every minute or 2 so you get to dance with anything from 6 to 30 ladies of all sorts of ages. It does depend where classes are held; if they are in a trendy bar you get a younger crowd, say 18-35, in a church hall you'll get more slightly older, say 25 to 50. It also depends on geography too. The classes I go to are in a trendy bar in the middle of town which has a high student population and high level of "foreign" workers for the hospitality sector, therefore a high proportion are younger and in their 20s, making lives away from close friends and family and are open to dates/meets etc.

Like most guys early on I struggled with approach anxiety but when you start to understand the social dynamics and read the room etc this goes away. It does take practice and commitment to go every week if you want to get better, BUT, at class and the social after there is always a "churn" of new women coming in. It doesn't matter in the slightest if you're any good at dancing as long as you enjoy it and are enthusiastic. This gives me a good opportunity to try stuff out on lots of ladies, not just dance moves but more importantly seduction skills. I can use the same lines or variations and try setting frames etc repeatedly through a class. So lots of practice in a safe environment. After the class it's easy to go and ask one of the girls in class for a dance as you've met them already. After the class, or even during it, you can do a bit of deep diving and set up a date or meeting for another day/time.

One thing I would say, is don't escalate too much at socials, a bit is fine but no more than a light touching (to show confidence/dominance) here or there. Set out your "shop front" as a fun, lightly flirty guy to chat to, always with a welcoming smile and open to dance no matter how good or bad someone is. Once you've set that as your image just take time for a girl to come to you for a chat/dance and THEN set a more specific frame and drop in the conversation " . . that it would be fun to catch up for a drink/coffee and a chat away from the dance scene as you can't get any peace to enjoy her company while you keep changing partners . . . " and you have in effect asked her out leaving her to think about it and accept if she's interested. Some girls accept straight away and you can say we'll swap numbers after class, some won't accept but smile sweetly, be careful here and be a gentleman and accept it leaving the door open (this is often her testing you), most won't accept right off but will come and ask the following week or even later in the evening if I was being serious and you've got her investment straight off so just agree a date or swap numbers.

Remember in these environments social proofing/reputation is important and must be maintained. Girls talk!. I know of several guys that can't get a date, not because they aren't good looking or nice enough, but they've damaged their reputation to a point that girls know these guys have asked every other girl out already and they don't want to be the one at the end of the invitation line. Take time to deep dive, find out about her, establish a connection, set a frame that you trust her and give a bit of your secret side that you don't easily share, see if she will share hers with you, build the connection a little more. This may happen over severals dances in class or even in the social. Don't rush moving to the ask and be selective.


Some weeks I can get a couple phone numbers and rarely do they "flake"; some weeks none at all but that's life. I've got a couple of girls at dance that are FWB and will date pretty much anytime they don't have a date. They trust me to be discrete and not damage their reputations, similarly I trust them. Also I'll help introduce them to guys if they want me to and they will introduce me to girls if I'm interested which gives great social proof.

In addition to the classes there are often weekend socials where you will see some of the girls that go to class so you already have social proof and can go right up and say hello and get introduced to their friends. Their friends may not "dance" but they will be open to having a bit of fun on the dance floor with someone who can. If you then like them you can deep dive, isolate and escalate if the opportunity is there but usually it's better to get her phone number. In these situations it's better to circulate the room and build social proof and dance with a variety of girls and date them separately so they don't feel bound by social constraints.

Sorry for taking post off topic a bit but that's where I am. I could go on but that's really how I've built my social circle although dance has helped me be able to go into a bar or supermarket and engage quiet easily. It's taken a few years to work to this level but I guess I've kinda stacked the deck in my favour in lots of ways. I don't go out simply to "game" women, I do it as part of being sociable. Just very screwed now with the current situation.
 

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This is going to go a bit off topic but I'll happily answer.

Nope, not Black, I'm as white as they come, and no more than a very light tan in the summer - maybe. I like to think I've got my fundamentals sorted, good hair cut, a bit of style in the way I dress, etc. I had to ask a lady friend to help me with that though because I was pretty awful without her advice. I'm average looking, some girls think I'm good looking, some don't, much the same as we see girls I guess. It did take me a couple of years to realise I sometimes over dress a little which can put you in the "unattainable" category but I'd always say slightly over dress than under dress for a night out.

I started going to Salsa classes, but you could easily replace that with Ceroc or anything similar that provides a good social mix and is a bit cool in your area. The class is basically a bit like "speed dating" without awkward silences, in that you move round to a new lady every minute or 2 so you get to dance with anything from 6 to 30 ladies of all sorts of ages. It does depend where classes are held; if they are in a trendy bar you get a younger crowd, say 18-35, in a church hall you'll get more slightly older, say 25 to 50. It also depends on geography too. The classes I go to are in a trendy bar in the middle of town which has a high student population and high level of "foreign" workers for the hospitality sector, therefore a high proportion are younger and in their 20s, making lives away from close friends and family and are open to dates/meets etc.

Like most guys early on I struggled with approach anxiety but when you start to understand the social dynamics and read the room etc this goes away. It does take practice and commitment to go every week if you want to get better, BUT, at class and the social after there is always a "churn" of new women coming in. It doesn't matter in the slightest if you're any good at dancing as long as you enjoy it and are enthusiastic. This gives me a good opportunity to try stuff out on lots of ladies, not just dance moves but more importantly seduction skills. I can use the same lines or variations and try setting frames etc repeatedly through a class. So lots of practice in a safe environment. After the class it's easy to go and ask one of the girls in class for a dance as you've met them already. After the class, or even during it, you can do a bit of deep diving and set up a date or meeting for another day/time.

One thing I would say, is don't escalate too much at socials, a bit is fine but no more than a light touching (to show confidence/dominance) here or there. Set out your "shop front" as a fun, lightly flirty guy to chat to, always with a welcoming smile and open to dance no matter how good or bad someone is. Once you've set that as your image just take time for a girl to come to you for a chat/dance and THEN set a more specific frame and drop in the conversation " . . that it would be fun to catch up for a drink/coffee and a chat away from the dance scene as you can't get any peace to enjoy her company while you keep changing partners . . . " and you have in effect asked her out leaving her to think about it and accept if she's interested. Some girls accept straight away and you can say we'll swap numbers after class, some won't accept but smile sweetly, be careful here and be a gentleman and accept it leaving the door open (this is often her testing you), most won't accept right off but will come and ask the following week or even later in the evening if I was being serious and you've got her investment straight off so just agree a date or swap numbers.

Remember in these environments social proofing/reputation is important and must be maintained. Girls talk!. I know of several guys that can't get a date, not because they aren't good looking or nice enough, but they've damaged their reputation to a point that girls know these guys have asked every other girl out already and they don't want to be the one at the end of the invitation line. Take time to deep dive, find out about her, establish a connection, set a frame that you trust her and give a bit of your secret side that you don't easily share, see if she will share hers with you, build the connection a little more. This may happen over severals dances in class or even in the social. Don't rush moving to the ask and be selective.


Some weeks I can get a couple phone numbers and rarely do they "flake"; some weeks none at all but that's life. I've got a couple of girls at dance that are FWB and will date pretty much anytime they don't have a date. They trust me to be discrete and not damage their reputations, similarly I trust them. Also I'll help introduce them to guys if they want me to and they will introduce me to girls if I'm interested which gives great social proof.

In addition to the classes there are often weekend socials where you will see some of the girls that go to class so you already have social proof and can go right up and say hello and get introduced to their friends. Their friends may not "dance" but they will be open to having a bit of fun on the dance floor with someone who can. If you then like them you can deep dive, isolate and escalate if the opportunity is there but usually it's better to get her phone number. In these situations it's better to circulate the room and build social proof and dance with a variety of girls and date them separately so they don't feel bound by social constraints.

Sorry for taking post off topic a bit but that's where I am. I could go on but that's really how I've built my social circle although dance has helped me be able to go into a bar or supermarket and engage quiet easily. It's taken a few years to work to this level but I guess I've kinda stacked the deck in my favour in lots of ways. I don't go out simply to "game" women, I do it as part of being sociable. Just very screwed now with the current situation.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown, I appreciate it.
 

Sub-Zero

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And how good were these guys seduction skills? Probably pretty weak if they have to pay their way to sex.

"Don't get advice on how to get rich from broke people" the saying goes.
Yeah you’re right. But they all say once they hit such n such age they don’t get any women at all. Some of these dudes look regular, not really old or fat, but they say that they just don’t get women anymore like they used to.

Not saying that what they say is true, it’s just I hear that a lot from older dudes.

But yeah, they most likely aren’t thinking skills, but then I think how did they get women before?

Some of these dudes weren’t even 40 and talked about the dip in attraction they get from women, maybe it’s a mental thing or something.
 

COCPORN

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Yeah I was told that women don’t go for men that much older than them because they can get men their age. I’m not saying this is a fact.

Im talking 10+ years, not 5 or less.

Hi, sorry. I was short yesterday.

I have not fucked a woman my age in 10 years. 10+ is not a problem. You should bang a female person half your age EVERY YEAR. Unless it is illegal.

You know how you search for teens when you search for porn? Maybe you don't but almost everybody does.

If you can have the same woman at 35 or at 22, which would you choose? Mostly: Why?

If you can have the same woman at 22 or at 18, which would you choose? Mostly: Why?

If you take the time to understand female sexual circuitry, you will understand that it doesn't work the same way. The sperm is the same. Age can be an indicator of good genes if you do well.
 

COCPORN

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I need to correct myself again, as usual.

I was actually working on a decent post, but my spastics made my fingers accidentally hit Ctrl-Enter. The horse was already aroused.

Do whatever you want but understand that female sexual psychology doesn't discriminate on age the same way you do.

Being "old" can be a benefit, but the idea that you're a fucktard at 18 will multiply with age. You can look at it as an indicator of how well you are doing, but projected.

If you have straight teeth at 18, you will probably have it at 45.

If you have good posture at 18, you will probably NOT have it at 45.

What happened? Why did you let time murder your body? What is this an indication of?

Then, as a woman: I can choose between a well postured man at 18, rolling the dice that he will be good looking at 45. Or I can just grab the one that proved that he owns it by showing up.

The problem is that you're 45, and you probably didn't do this well. Which sucks.

It is not like there's no way out of it. It is just that you will notice that it is hard right now. Because it is a lot more interesting to not roll the dice on old flesh that has proved itself to fail.
 
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