Casual/FWB Will i touch married or women in relationships? I probably will, now. Here's why

[trashKENNUT]

The title can draw a lot of personal morals.

But here's one thing for certain. I believe just as similarly as what Chase noted in his "Girl has a boyfriend, 3 things to do, 7 things not to do".

People from outside, those who probably haven't been meeting lots of girls and only see a small amount of experiences, will come up and say "Zac, you a homewreck", "Zac, you a motherfucker". Here's the thing, People who don't know, talk a lot, and People who like to speak on their own behalf and turn on their words when sex is represent in front of them.

Don't believe me? I see "religious" friends turn back their words on me. I have friends who are so up on their own ass on moral superiority. Guess what? They do otherwise.

So many times, i have had countless opportunities to cheat with girls in relationships, even those you think are in love with their partner. and i let it pass, only to see the girl hook up with someone else, on the same night, days later, or weeks later. She breaks up with the boyfriend. For me, my own personal reason, i want to cheat with girls who are in relationships. Because unlike other guys, i have the knowledge to know what i am getting into. I cannot say it is an absolute that i can enter any situations and come out on top ("Come out on top" means handling the situation well), but i know i have the knowledge. You might say "Oh, you just making excuse".

Exactly, It is an "excuse", because it really is an "excuse". Unlike most guys, whom preach morals and then found themselves with another women. Let me end this here. "I might as well sleep with the girl before you do!"

"Morals" on a definition level are varying, are the hardest part to accept. Just like religious people try to scare an atheist into his own ideology by using the reasoning that he doesn't have a proper burial place. It's the same thing with people. We all have our own ideology, and we preach it, but when the actual day or the actual sex is presented in front of you, My question to all of humanity....

Will you walk away? If you do, Good. If you don't, It's all good too.

Zac

 

[Saintjah]

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I hear you and agree on a few points but I have always followed rule for sleeping with women and only 2 types are off limits... Married women and women who are with your friends. If a gal wants to be a whore then she will do it whether its with her mans friends or a random stranger but IMO I don't want to be responsible or have some psycho showing up at my door with a shot gun. Second, im just the type to put friends before women and always have... sadly once upon a time a friends gf came into me and I had promptly told him of her advance and he got very defensive and pissy with me. Months down the road she got into bed with another one of his friends and he came around.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Re: Will i touch married or women in relationships? I probably will, now. Here's

Saintjah,

I wish that i can tell you that it is easy about married women, women in a relationship and friends. I do agree that you should try not to sleep with your friends girl. If the guy is someone i know for a bit, i think i will still sleep with her, although the last one that i met, i didn't, and the girl was really in love with the guy.

Some women just have hyper sexdrive.

Zac

 

[rideordie28]

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I've dealt with the same dilemma many many times. I finally have come to the point where I've concluded that almost every guy I see in a relationship is a chump. The abuse and disrespect that most guys put up with in a relationship seems just ridiculous to me. If you want one of those girls I feel like you have to just swallow your pride and become her bitch. Of course there are exceptions, but those are very rare.

I've been in a long term committed relationship and been cheated on despite the girl basically giving everything to me and doing anything I instructed her to at every point. They just have zero loyalty to their men. For these reasons, I have zero problem banging girls in relationships, girls engaged, girls married. Honestly, the ratio of girls I hook up with nowadays is probably 4:1 ... 4 who are in relationships for every 1 who's single. The single ones are so much more work and frustration. Also, if the girl is cheating on her guy, you can probably assume that he is her bitch so you don't really have to worry too much about him showing up with a shotgun. He's too afraid of her.

It's a very sad state of affairs. I really wish I could just have a loyal girlfriend and only have sex with her, but that's not possible unless I submit like a bitch which I could never do.

 

[Franco]

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rideordie,

It might be worth giving this post (by Chase) a read before jumping to too many conclusions: Yes, Monogamy Works

- Franco

 

[trashKENNUT]

Re: Will i touch married or women in relationships? I probably will, now. Here's

BUMP

 

[RustinKohle]

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Been having this dilemma lately myself. My roommates girl has been giving me alot of sexual eye contact lately, looking straight at the floor when she breaks it, alot of times in front of him. Shes clearlt frustrated with the relationship and not sure if he sees it. But man, her ass makes it hard not to wreck the home.

I feel married women are usually different, both people may be over their passion for each other and stay together for non romantic reasons. But most of the time its usually complacency on the mans part, alot of men stop improving once they find "their one"

 

[RustinKohle]

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Also went to visit my friend last month, about 5 different people asked if his girl was mine, caught me off guard but made me think about the fact she was being friendlier with me than normal

 

[trashKENNUT]

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RustinKohle,

Shes clearlt frustrated with the relationship and not sure if he sees it. But man, her ass makes it hard not to wreck the home.

LoLX!

I feel married women are usually different, both people may be over their passion for each other and stay together for non romantic reasons. But most of the time its usually complacency on the mans part, alot of men stop improving once they find "their one"

True. the passion might be over. thus marriage is a lie. It is just an idea.

Also went to visit my friend last month, about 5 different people asked if his girl was mine, caught me off guard but made me think about the fact she was being friendlier with me than normal

Yea..... life's hard eh. But at the end of the day, people have no problem screwing other people. Always remember we are once a sperm you know. We claim credit for our existence when other sperms are busy distracting the egg.

One needs to make peace with that first.

Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

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My idea of morality is shredding.

It is an idea and will always be an idea. At the end of the day, morality is only what is law.

I hate it. People deviate.

But fuck it. I'm tired. WE ALL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. And bullshit with society as to deviate our fellow men.

Fuck. Just fuck. Annoyed at everything in life. But more annoyed at myself.

Zac

 

[Chase]

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Zac-

If you're too absolute about morals, that can leave you with no morals (via disillusionment with the impossibility of always being perfectly moral).

However, if you think of morals as guide rails people usually try to stay within, but sometimes breach, you have a more accurate picture of morality.

Some people claim a certain morality, then violate it with abandon. That's true, and it does happen.

Most people mostly stick to their own moral principles, as they see them. And sometimes they deviate.

The easiest way to think of humans as imperfect creatures, largely trying to live within certain rule sets, but occasionally violating them.

Also: morality becomes easier to bend/break the lower the consequences seem to be. A married woman who is usually against adultery can hook up with a sexy guy on vacation when no one will ever know? There's a lot of temptation there. Is she a germophobe and paranoid she might catch an STD and pass it to her husband? Suddenly, it's a lot easier to stick to her morality. Does she fear hurting her husband, and that he'll be able to tell and will be hurt? Also a lot easier to stick to her morality. Is she angry at the husband and unsatisfied with her sex life, and doesn't care if there's any fallout? Now sticking to her morality is harder.

Think of an individual's morality as more a set of principles he tries to live by, and a way he wants others to view him.

Independent from his morality, you also have to assess how good he is at sticking to the morals he professes to have... if he is impulsive, he is probably less good at this. If he is greedy, probably less good. Hedonistic, less good. Present-oriented, less good. If he is deliberate, he'll be better at it. More generous, better at it. Less hedonistic, better at it. Past- or future-oriented, better at it.

And you also have to figure out if his morals are genuinely his morals, or if they're a front he hides behind to let him act in other ways while holding up a false shield of moral superiority. The man who loudly derides cheating while he goes and shags a hooker every weekend as his wife takes care of the kids. Etc.

So, if you ask me, it's:

• What does this person claim are his morals?

• What personality traits does this person have that predispose him to more often uphold or breach his morals?

• Are these, in fact, his morals, and not just a shield to hide behavior he doesn't want you to know about behind?

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

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Chase,

I don't know. Your article "Girl has a boyfriend, 3 things to do, 7 things not to do" is important.
It is what i label as "darwin socialism".

We all do what we have to do.

You want your student/friend or everyone here to grow his own head.
It's impossible for a 12 year old child to grow back to a 9 year old child. I'm saying that i already 'grown up' per se.
Maybe it is not to your personal liking

But the teacher (you) must remember that the student must have his journey. (Civilized Men article)

If you're too absolute about morals

I'm not absolute. But to self depreciate, maybe i am.... But here's my annoyance. If people want to date girls, i'm cool. Just that don't bullshit me that how this girl is full of shit, or this religion or what have you.

and then i see you talking to her, courting her.

But here's the kicker:

Maybe Zac values or perceives this "betrayal" as more important to him. And that Zac can be perceived as full of shit for other topics in a similar fashion. I guess it's more of what you value.

I am just annoyed that women perceives me as the loser, and the guy who is the presupposed friend, see me as lesser when he wins. when he really, i don't give much importance. why make things difficult...

It is like i am suddenly white, and black people hate me because my ancestors didn't know any better. I can try to bridge but there's only so much i can tolerate.

Fair enough? I'm annoyed when responding to this. IT's a real pain body because people i assume "best friends" do this shit
when i was young.
Maybe, i could be a "better" friend, by accepting that people want to win.

But when i win, why are people angry? Just saying, Chase. Anyway, i been lowering my ego when i recognize this last nuance is the key to building real relationships. That is, knowing that one (me) doesn't like to lose (frame control).

Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

Re: Will i touch married or women in relationships? I probably will, now. Here's

...........

Just watch HEctor's video on banging social circle girls. I need to get it out of my system. This morality thing is bothering me. It gets annoying when you been that top guy per se,

versus the idiot at the bottom rung of that ladder.

It doesn't make me sane. SO i need to sort this in a way where i have a system or guidelines. I just keep bumping here over and over again.

Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

I can't agree with you Hector.

I just saw your youtube video. I'm glad that you reach Chase level but that makes you have a shadow. That shadow is apparent.

My content will always note that shadow of man.

z@c+

 

[trashKENNUT]

Re: Will i touch married or women in relationships? I probably will, now. Here's

Zac-

If you're too absolute about morals, that can leave you with no morals (via disillusionment with the impossibility of always being perfectly moral).

However, if you think of morals as guide rails people usually try to stay within, but sometimes breach, you have a more accurate picture of morality.

Some people claim a certain morality, then violate it with abandon. That's true, and it does happen.

Most people mostly stick to their own moral principles, as they see them. And sometimes they deviate.

The easiest way to think of humans as imperfect creatures, largely trying to live within certain rule sets, but occasionally violating them.

Also: morality becomes easier to bend/break the lower the consequences seem to be. A married woman who is usually against adultery can hook up with a sexy guy on vacation when no one will ever know? There's a lot of temptation there. Is she a germophobe and paranoid she might catch an STD and pass it to her husband? Suddenly, it's a lot easier to stick to her morality. Does she fear hurting her husband, and that he'll be able to tell and will be hurt? Also a lot easier to stick to her morality. Is she angry at the husband and unsatisfied with her sex life, and doesn't care if there's any fallout? Now sticking to her morality is harder.

Think of an individual's morality as more a set of principles he tries to live by, and a way he wants others to view him.

Independent from his morality, you also have to assess how good he is at sticking to the morals he professes to have... if he is impulsive, he is probably less good at this. If he is greedy, probably less good. Hedonistic, less good. Present-oriented, less good. If he is deliberate, he'll be better at it. More generous, better at it. Less hedonistic, better at it. Past- or future-oriented, better at it.

And you also have to figure out if his morals are genuinely his morals, or if they're a front he hides behind to let him act in other ways while holding up a false shield of moral superiority. The man who loudly derides cheating while he goes and shags a hooker every weekend as his wife takes care of the kids. Etc.

So, if you ask me, it's:

• What does this person claim are his morals?
• What personality traits does this person have that predispose him to more often uphold or breach his morals?
• Are these, in fact, his morals, and not just a shield to hide behavior he doesn't want you to know about behind?

Chase

I still face this thing, morality thing.

I'm happy that @Chase finally went to my level and noted that even if he can help society, he doesn't know where to lead them.

It was a response post on my journal.

Finally, he is awakened from his fucking throne. At least, this is what I see. I'm sure he have 200 girls sucking his dick at will, but the gates of the kingdom has some pretty assertive gremlins.

But really,

I don't know. It's not so much that I can recognize that other people can't let go of the worldview that they are living it. It is that I recognize myself that I can't let go of the world that I was in.

Mentally, I don't have a home.

I guess this is also why you see PUA gurus become religious/marriage-y. Because you need to champion mainstream vanilla beliefs so that the stupid people, the masses will consider listening to you.

Anyway....

Thank you GIrlschase members for listening to my rant. I'm just a man out of time, and out of states. And no one has an answer. But that's okay.

"He get over it" - Batman

z@c+

 

[trashKENNUT]

If you're too absolute about morals, that can leave you with no morals (via disillusionment with the impossibility of always being perfectly moral).

A new Girlschase member, if i remember correctly. This is what was posted from the Ukraine thread.

"this thread is just too much for me. @ chase had a dream of discussing at a high level, maybe that is unlikely amongst this membership."

He was noting about overflow of information.

I feel more sorry for Gen Z.
I feel sorry for myself.
I dont know. Trying to compartmentalize myself here to make this post, objective.

Now...

Aside from Chase's response to my post on morality. I like to say that you can only adopt the mindset of trying to minimize damages to other people.

Everyone in my opinion, do have that question asked in their mind, especially amplified during Covid.

"Did we ever had a common narrative?"

In my opinion, we never had one. And I guess you have to blast with everyone with heat vision before you compartmentalize yourself.

And you literally will have to hurt people as you explore on all topics of your life.

z@c+