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flatron

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Decided to head out for a Sunday beer as it's holiday season

Approach on girl in my local pub down the road. She was with a friend at the bar. I opened them whilst ordering my beer. Went with an opinion opener. She didn't seem to really want to talk but that's kind of expected'. I 'rooted' the opener and talked a little. She still wasn't that responsive. Tried to carry on the conversation. Asked her name, age, where she was from. Made an observation about her drink and her clothes. Stacked a few assumptions about her. Still nothing so I bailed before I made her feel too awkward, lol. I wasn't her type. A 'no girl'.

Open a girl and am just like ''What's up? Thought you looked interesting so thought i'd say 'hi' quickly''. She tells me that i'm not her type. I'm like ''Whoa! Don't get ahead of yourself there!'' and she laughed and then walked away lol. I tried to get her to stop, but no dice. Not her type.

Open a 2 set at the bar and say 'hi'. Ask them what they are up too tonight. They say going dancing and I tease her about not being able to dance in the shoes she had on and she smiles. I ask them how they know each other and try to get them to open up a little but they are both super cagey and clearly want me to go away, but I try to stick in there. I ask their names. Make some assumptions about what they do and stuff, but they just basically nod their heads occasionally and are trying hard to not engage me lol. More 'no girls' so I decide to eject after some self amusement

I order a strange looking drink and then accuse the girl on my left of being jealous as she starred at it a little bit. She laughs and we banter a little. She's from Hungary which might explain the lack of negative attitude on her part. I make some jokey assumptions about what she does for a living. She's with a fat friend. I try to get the friend involved. We talk about Hungary. I tell them they look like they're waiting for their tinder dates to show up. They laugh and then the better looking one tells me she's married. We chat a little longer and I try to build some attraction with game, but I can sense that they aren't into me and I wish them a good night

Very pretty girl at a table with a mixed group of friends. I open her with a self amusement opener and tell her that the girls on the other table are saying that they are more fun than her group. She looks just at me. She kind of backs up towards the guy behind her into his arms almost. I just try to calibrate and back off a little bit (not that I was ever in her personal space!) and am like ''Only playing. how's your night been?''. She's like ''fine?''. Closed off body language like she's never spoke too a stranger. She's very young. I then make an observation. No reply. I ask her what she's up too. She still hasn't really said a word so I decide it's best to just bail. I'm not her type. Then the guy it turns out she's with kind of blocks my path and asks me 'what's up?' and tells me that he's her boyfriend. I think he's trying too intimidate me and but it's not gonna work, and when he see's that, he kind of flips the script after I laugh him off and he plays the 'friendly guy' instead and smiles and gives me a condescending pat on the back for trying, lol.

Super hot teen is hanging up her leopard print jacket. I look at it and smile and say ''If this is real leopard print, we can't be friends'' I think it was funny, lol. She gives me the classic look of contempt and says ''Yeah, Byyeeeeeee'' kind of sarcastically like she's Kylie Jenner or something and way out of my league lol (actually saw her a little later and she stood near me but I didn't bother trying to re-open)

Open up a girl at a table and straight away she tells me she's got a serious boyfriend but then her friend joins the table and the girl actually introduces me to her friend. Straight away I can tell this is different and that I might have a shot. She's not a 'no girl' like all the others. I can tell by the way she's looks at me and smiles as she introduces herself. I ask her name, age, plans for the night. Make a few assumptions about her. She actually is talking back!! lots. nice. Another IOI: She's filling in the gaps in convo and is pulling her own weight. (this is what every set is like for my handsome wing tbh) - She says something about her coat looking like an eskimo coat and I use that to go into talk about eskimo kissing and then we eskimo kiss. And then we do it again, but this time I go for the kiss and she kisses me back and we start making out. I move her too a different part of the bar and kiss her a bit more and rub her a bit and now seed the pull to go back to her place for sexy times. No LMR
 
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Truly inspirational to me man!
You persisted and got results!
Keep at it flatron!
 

SexNotValidation

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Decided to head out for a Sunday beer as it's holiday season

Approach on girl in my local pub down the road. She was with a friend at the bar. I opened them whilst ordering my beer. Went with an opinion opener. She didn't seem to really want to talk but that's kind of expected'. I 'rooted' the opener and talked a little. She still wasn't that responsive. Tried to carry on the conversation. Asked her name, age, where she was from. Made an observation about her drink and her clothes. Stacked a few assumptions about her. Still nothing so I bailed before I made her feel too awkward, lol. I wasn't her type. A 'no girl'.

Open a girl and am just like ''What's up? Thought you looked interesting so thought i'd say 'hi' quickly''. She tells me that i'm not her type. I'm like ''Whoa! Don't get ahead of yourself there!'' and she laughed and then walked away lol. I tried to get her to stop, but no dice. Not her type.

Open a 2 set at the bar and say 'hi'. Ask them what they are up too tonight. They say going dancing and I tease her about not being able to dance in the shoes she had on and she smiles. I ask them how they know each other and try to get them to open up a little but they are both super cagey and clearly want me to go away, but I try to stick in there. I ask their names. Make some assumptions about what they do and stuff, but they just basically nod their heads occasionally and are trying hard to not engage me lol. More 'no girls' so I decide to eject after some self amusement

I order a strange looking drink and then accuse the girl on my left of being jealous as she starred at it a little bit. She laughs and we banter a little. She's from Hungary which might explain the lack of negative attitude on her part. I make some jokey assumptions about what she does for a living. She's with a fat friend. I try to get the friend involved. We talk about Hungary. I tell them they look like they're waiting for their tinder dates to show up. They laugh and then the better looking one tells me she's married. We chat a little longer and I try to build some attraction with game, but I can sense that they aren't into me and I wish them a good night

Very pretty girl at a table with a mixed group of friends. I open her with a self amusement opener and tell her that the girls on the other table are saying that they are more fun than her group. She looks just at me. She kind of backs up towards the guy behind her into his arms almost. I just try to calibrate and back off a little bit (not that I was ever in her personal space!) and am like ''Only playing. how's your night been?''. She's like ''fine?''. Closed off body language like she's never spoke too a stranger. She's very young. I then make an observation. No reply. I ask her what she's up too. She still hasn't really said a word so I decide it's best to just bail. I'm not her type. Then the guy it turns out she's with kind of blocks my path and asks me 'what's up?' and tells me that he's her boyfriend. I think he's trying too intimidate me and but it's not gonna work, and when he see's that, he kind of flips the script after I laugh him off and he plays the 'friendly guy' instead and smiles and gives me a condescending pat on the back for trying, lol.

Super hot teen is hanging up her leopard print jacket. I look at it and smile and say ''If this is real leopard print, we can't be friends'' I think it was funny, lol. She gives me the classic look of contempt and says ''Yeah, Byyeeeeeee'' kind of sarcastically like she's Kylie Jenner or something and way out of my league lol (actually saw her a little later and she stood near me but I didn't bother trying to re-open)

Open up a girl at a table and straight away she tells me she's got a serious boyfriend but then her friend joins the table and the girl actually introduces me to her friend. Straight away I can tell this is different and that I might have a shot. She's not a 'no girl' like all the others. I can tell by the way she's looks at me and smiles as she introduces herself. I ask her name, age, plans for the night. Make a few assumptions about her. She actually is talking back!! lots. nice. Another IOI: She's filling in the gaps in convo and is pulling her own weight. (this is what every set is like for my handsome wing tbh) - She says something about her coat looking like an eskimo coat and I use that to go into talk about eskimo kissing and then we eskimo kiss. And then we do it again, but this time I go for the kiss and she kisses me back and we start making out. I move her too a different part of the bar and kiss her a bit more and rub her a bit and now seed the pull to go back to her place for sexy times. No LMR

thank you for posting this.

You remain pretty much the only poster who's lay reports i can understand.

Everything you wrote here made sense to me.

I have a question for you.

why do you persist with the girls who you can tell are "no girls"?

Why not just turn around and walk away the instant you realize they are "no girls"?
 

Chrance

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Nice job. What did you seed the pull with?
 

flatron

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thank you for posting this.

You remain pretty much the only poster who's lay reports i can understand.

Everything you wrote here made sense to me.

I have a question for you.

why do you persist with the girls who you can tell are "no girls"?

Why not just turn around and walk away the instant you realize they are "no girls"?

I kind of think there are 'no girls' - you have ZERO chance of getting these girls into bed no matter how many PUA books you've read. You are totally not their type. They don't want to talk to strangers in general, and especially not some guy they're not physically into. (mainly a priority for young girls)

Then there are 'yes girl' who are friendly and receptive and instantly kind of flirty through verbals and eye contacts etc - , depending on how physically attracted they are to you, just need enough game to not mess up, not completely bore them, and escalate in a smooth way. (if she is VERY physically attracted to you, you don't even need that though, tbh)

Then there are 'maybe girls'. I think it gets blurry here because some girls who are maybe girls (they are at least a bit attracted to you and are somewhat receptive) can behave a lot like 'no girls' at first if they are shy and young.

I tend to persist for at least a min or 2 to see if they 'flip' (they almost never ever do) to at least talking back to kind of confirm my thoughts (note: just because she talks back, she could still be a strong 'no girl'. Some girls might just be friendly and social, but you are still 100% NOT their type and no matter what you say and do, she will never want to see you naked! I think you can just tell this from her sub coms, tbh)

There's also an element of experimentation and even 'fun' (depending on my mood) when it comes to trying to stick in set. Sometimes i'll just put to test the theories and lines in an article I might have read that day about what to say to make girls who are ignoring you interested (even though I know from my experience it's bull$hit marketing)


Nice job. What did you seed the pull with?

We were speaking about animals and I told her about my dog and was like ''You can come back and meet my dog'' lol. I don't think it even matters. I sometimes say really stupid stuff. I've also experimented with not seeding the pull at all, and the results are the same, really. It's more about making sure she's comfortable and NOT saying something that will massively trigger her anti-slut-defense. (so instead of being an idiot like ''lets go and have sex at my place! I've got a free house!'' you can almost get away with leaving it unspoken. Saying 'lets go to my place for a bit' and then changing the subject before she has a chance to think and lead her out whilst you're talking about pasta. That's worked a few times too)
 
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Isn’t

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I kind of think there are 'no girls' - you have ZERO chance of getting these girls into bed no matter how many PUA books you've read. You are totally not their type. They don't want to talk to strangers in general, and especially not some guy they're not physically into. (mainly a priority for young girls)

Then there are 'yes girl' who are friendly and receptive and instantly kind of flirty through verbals and eye contacts etc - , depending on how physically attracted they are to you, just need enough game to not mess up, not completely bore them, and escalate in a smooth way. (if she is VERY physically attracted to you, you don't even need that though, tbh)

Then there are 'maybe girls'. I think it gets blurry here because some girls who are maybe girls (they are at least a bit attracted to you and are somewhat receptive) can behave a lot like 'no girls' at first if they are shy and young.

I tend to persist for at least a min or 2 to see if they 'flip' (they almost never ever do) to at least talking back to kind of confirm my thoughts (note: just because she talks back, she could still be a strong 'no girl'. Some girls might just be friendly and social, but you are still 100% NOT their type and no matter what you say and do, she will never want to see you naked! I think you can just tell this from her sub coms, tbh)

There's also an element of experimentation and even 'fun' (depending on my mood) when it comes to trying to stick in set. Sometimes i'll just put to test the theories and lines in an article I might have read that day about what to say to make girls who are ignoring you interested (even though I know from my experience it's bull$hit marketing)




We were speaking about animals and I told her about my dog and was like ''You can come back and meet my dog'' lol. I don't think it even matters. I sometimes say really stupid stuff. I've also experimented with not seeding the pull at all, and the results are the same, really. It's more about making sure she's comfortable and NOT saying something that will massively trigger her anti-slut-defense. (so instead of being an idiot like ''lets go and have sex at my place! I've got a free house!'' you can almost get away with leaving it unspoken. Saying 'lets go to my place for a bit' and then changing the subject before she has a chance to think and lead her out whilst you're talking about pasta. That's worked a few times too)
Flatiron, really nice job. I have had exact same experience regarding yes, maybe and no girls. One question - how much percent maybe girls have you been able to convert? Asking so that I can decide whether I should persist or just leave them.
 
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flatron

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Flatiron, really nice job. I have had exact same experience regarding yes, maybe and no girls. One question - how much percent maybe girls have you been able to convert? Asking so that I can decide whether I should persist or just leave them.
That's really hard to answer due to the 'blurry' situation of it all that I mentioned. i.e - a lot of the time she'll be a 'no girl' in that she is NOT attracted to you sexually, and she will never be, BUT she also just happens to be a polite, talkative girl who lets you reach the hook point and stuff and talks back/asks you things etc, so you (incorrectly) assume she's a maybe girl, even though you never actually stood a chance.

So that makes answering your question and breaking the numbers down very difficult, but what i'll say is that when I feel i'm talking too a girl who is attracted to me/i'm her type, although she's not throwing herself at me like a hard 'yes girl', (i.e and actual 'maybe girl') I have a good closing rate. Some interactions might read like a lost a 'maybe girl', but I know that she was simply a polite 'no girl' lol (I was there! :))

I really think I have a good radar at this point and can tell very fast when i'm wasting my time, even if she's receptive, HOWEVER, I tend to always try to stick in their for a while as i'm only human and could be wrong on occasion. It kind of comes with experience and reading people. 'Was that look she gave becuse she isn't at all attracted to me or was it because she's just a bit shy and anxious about being approached?' kind of thing.

If you are newer, i'd recommend sticking in for as long as possible in all sets unless she's a harsh 'no girl' who basically doesn't talk back, has awful body language and clearly wants you to go away, is rude/looking at you with contempt/disgust etc.
 
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Isn’t

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Thanks for the inputs. One more question - what is your overall conversion ratio? How many girls do you talk to on an average to get one girl?
I understand that this will vary from person to person based on looks, experience etc.
 

flatron

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Thanks for the inputs. One more question - what is your overall conversion ratio? How many girls do you talk to on an average to get one girl?
I understand that this will vary from person to person based on looks, experience etc.
Really hard to say.
This is worth reading, though.



He gives it to you fairly straight. (Breaks the numbers down about half way down) - I'm like a 5 and go for 7+ girls and I'd estimate that according to that write up, my numbers are somewhere in between his 'advanced' and his 'intermediate' definition?

Don't believe these dudes who claim to be 'ugly and very old' who also claim to be able to bang like 50% of very hot teenagers they approach or some shit (I read this stuff from 'coaches' all the time on reddit and discord pua rooms etc. Pure fiction. Even tall, handsome 'pro PUA' Paul Janka only had a 4% success rate! And that's from numbers. So Not taking into account the girls who flat out rejected him or didn't give him a number etc!)
 

Isn’t

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Really hard to say.
This is worth reading, though.



He gives it to you fairly straight. (Breaks the numbers down about half way down) - I'm like a 5 and go for 7+ girls and I'd estimate that according to that write up, my numbers are somewhere in between his 'advanced' and his 'intermediate' definition?

Don't believe these dudes who claim to be 'ugly and very old' who also claim to be able to bang like 50% of very hot teenagers they approach or some shit (I read this stuff from 'coaches' all the time on reddit and discord pua rooms etc. Pure fiction. Even tall, handsome 'pro PUA' Paul Janka only had a 4% success rate! And that's from numbers. So Not taking into account the girls who flat out rejected him or didn't give him a number etc!)
Thanks for your inputs! Really appreciate it.
 

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I kind of think there are 'no girls' - you have ZERO chance of getting these girls into bed no matter how many PUA books you've read. You are totally not their type. They don't want to talk to strangers in general, and especially not some guy they're not physically into. (mainly a priority for young girls)

Then there are 'yes girl' who are friendly and receptive and instantly kind of flirty through verbals and eye contacts etc - , depending on how physically attracted they are to you, just need enough game to not mess up, not completely bore them, and escalate in a smooth way. (if she is VERY physically attracted to you, you don't even need that though, tbh)

Then there are 'maybe girls'. I think it gets blurry here because some girls who are maybe girls (they are at least a bit attracted to you and are somewhat receptive) can behave a lot like 'no girls' at first if they are shy and young.

I tend to persist for at least a min or 2 to see if they 'flip' (they almost never ever do) to at least talking back to kind of confirm my thoughts (note: just because she talks back, she could still be a strong 'no girl'. Some girls might just be friendly and social, but you are still 100% NOT their type and no matter what you say and do, she will never want to see you naked! I think you can just tell this from her sub coms, tbh)

There's also an element of experimentation and even 'fun' (depending on my mood) when it comes to trying to stick in set. Sometimes i'll just put to test the theories and lines in an article I might have read that day about what to say to make girls who are ignoring you interested (even though I know from my experience it's bull$hit marketing)
That's really hard to answer due to the 'blurry' situation of it all that I mentioned. i.e - a lot of the time she'll be a 'no girl' in that she is NOT attracted to you sexually, and she will never be, BUT she also just happens to be a polite, talkative girl who lets you reach the hook point and stuff and talks back/asks you things etc, so you (incorrectly) assume she's a maybe girl, even though you never actually stood a chance.

So that makes answering your question and breaking the numbers down very difficult, but what i'll say is that when I feel i'm talking too a girl who is attracted to me/i'm her type, although she's not throwing herself at me like a hard 'yes girl', (i.e and actual 'maybe girl') I have a good closing rate. Some interactions might read like a lost a 'maybe girl', but I know that she was simply a polite 'no girl' lol (I was there! :))

I really think I have a good radar at this point and can tell very fast when i'm wasting my time, even if she's receptive, HOWEVER, I tend to always try to stick in their for a while as i'm only human and could be wrong on occasion. It kind of comes with experience and reading people. 'Was that look she gave becuse she isn't at all attracted to me or was it because she's just a bit shy and anxious about being approached?' kind of thing.

If you are newer, i'd recommend sticking in for as long as possible in all sets unless she's a harsh 'no girl' who basically doesn't talk back, has awful body language and clearly wants you to go away, is rude/looking at you with contempt/disgust etc.

the yes, no, maybe girl thing is a hot topic on the forum now lol
 

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@pinpin:
the yes, no, maybe girl thing is a hot topic on the forum now lol

This is a totally pointless post.

This is a waste of everyone's time.

Either make a contribution or be quiet.
 
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