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Marriage  A video every guy should watch before commiting long-term

Chase

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Bottom line to me in about 20 or 30 as he puts it "pair bondings", chemicals wear off for most couples eventually, even if they don't believe it now. They will when it does if their relationship is based on them chemicals.

Most couples don't base their relationship on shared responsibility or enjoyment of each other, they base it on said chemicals.

This is the "love marriage" trend that takes hold in societies as they become richer and safer.

In less developed countries, marriage is practical. You get married to unite two families, because the two partners are a good match, and so on. As you get more and more resources and leisure and it's less a struggle to survive, practical concerns move to the background and it becomes about feelings.

That trend started in the 1760s in the US. Before then, love was treated as a childish reason for marriage. Lovers would write each other these long letters about how they were such excellent matches for one another. Starting in the 1760s, newspaper advice columns began to offer advice that love could be part of the recipe for getting married. By the early 19th Century love was considered an equally valid reason to marry as practical concerns.

In the US nowadays it's basically the ONLY reason people think you should get married and anything else is cynical or heartless.

So everything is all about feelings. The problem with feelings is that feelings change.

If your marriage is based upon feelings, then the whole rest of your life is going to revolve around trying to maintain those feelings, lest the basis for your marriage erode away!

The problem in the West seems to be that practical reasons really aren't needed for marriage anymore, except in large families where it's too hard to manage the family without a partnership... otherwise, you don't need marriage for social standing, and people who are divorced do not struggle the way they once did.

On the other side, feelings also change too fast now too. Love marriages didn't use to be such fickle things... my maternal grandparents married "for love" but stayed together their whole lives, even through some real tumult (you could argue they also stayed together for practical reasons -- they had 4 kids and my grandmother did not work. She would've been in a bad spot on her own. My grandfather had war injuries that left him with terrible vision and limited mobility, so despite my grandmother's theatrics he'd have had trouble getting out there and replacing her... and I'm sure also knew his kids would be a lot worse off in a broken home. He was the consummate family man). Why love marriages used to work fine over the long-term but are on such flimsier ground today is a really good question. My guess is the lack of social pressure to remain married, largely due to how anonymous and ADD society has become.

I think there's also less and less practical need for marriage, especially as people have fewer children or none at all. Then you're basically getting into "two people who just like to hang out together" territory. Do you really need marriage for that?

Marriage can work, but if you're doing a practical marriage there need to really be some reasons there you'd NEED marriage... and if you're doing a love marriage, you'd better both be people with very stable emotions over the long-term who already have most of what you need to have figured out figured out.

Chase
 
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I disagree with this. As one example, it's pretty well established that education level is inversely correlated with divorce.
That does not necessarily rebuff what I said
Whether women and men are designed to be monogamous or not is an interesting question.
That question has already been answered.
We are designed for short-term monogamy
Long-term monogamy is a different conversation that nobody wants to look at rationally
Personally, I don't think we are designed one way or the other. The psychological reward system can be activated in many different ways, what becomes disfunctional is when it is activated by things that are contrary to the long term relationship, and is not exercised on things that are aligned with it.
It's not psychological when we are talking long-term....it's biological
Stay with the same girl for 20+ years straight and the urge of fucking another woman will go through the roof!
It doesn't matter if you love her or not
I encourage you to try to fight that biological urge using any reward system that does not involve having some sexual variety
The same way that some people are very happy devoting their entire life to a building an illustrious career or working on some decades-long task, and others who can't imagine not spending the majority of their life just having fun or looking for variety. Neither of them will last in their choice unless that choice rewards and satisfies them consistently.
Eventually (barring rare exceptions) human beings will want to bair bond
All roads lead to Rome
That's not how guys think, because they only get one life. Who knows when the system will get fixed? They still want a wife and kids. And they still end up finding some special girl and want to take that chance. And that's all well and good, because without that mentality we would have all died out a long time ago.
Precisely!
But we should not mistake long-term pair-bonding with getting married
Problem is we all know the legal system is rigged against men
Heck, I myself do wanna get married and have kids someday
But you and me are not the problem
The problem is the late 20s early 30s yo peasant who falls in love and spring the marriage trap without any precautions, just because of chemicals running in his brain
They are the reason why the system will never be fixed
I think overall we just have a slightly different way of looking at risk. And that's fine, because risk is neither truth nor falsity.
Could be
But I rather always be on the cautious side when a decision can significantly alter my life
But I do believe in my ability to lead a marriage to success if I really wanted to.
I don't...at least not when I don't have a saying over a lot of important variables that are outside of my control
But when I feel the moment arrives, I can def take all precautions and try my best
 

HoofHearted

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I liked the video at a superficial level.

The responses seem like a mishmash of respective personalities, which is to be expected with these large indefinite questions.

I would suggest this entertainment video be placed in proper context, as entertainment/magazine rack interest.

A particular phrase was fun to think about.
"Marriages end in death or divorce" -- good lawyering, and not the case as he makes the transition to the realm of mood/attitudes/beliefs.

Some people, maybe the people most likely to participate in marriage in the western world, believe there is an eternal life after this one and that their chosen (or perhaps discovered, destined or god-willed) marriage extends into eternity.

There's a 'marriage,' other considerations aside (ie what happens if your husband dies, and you remarry? Which one do you chill with in heaven? Do you 3s company that shit?)

Still others believe that their marriage aka their union dissolves into a broader, more sacred one with all living beings that have lived and died. In that way, everyone is married.

I guess what I'm saying is, as per the video, I will buy y'all granola if you suck my dick.
 

King

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Wow awesome, I actually randomly came across this video from my reccomendations, ended up not watching it because its kind of long. But it has come around again so I will watch it this time! Thanks!
 
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