American Imperial Decline vs. Roman Imperial Decline

[topcat]

Lads please, I did a google search on that and the very first thing that came up about it was this interview with Tucker Carlson, the guy who's own lawyers argued "surely no reasonable person would believe anything this man would say" in order to try get him off the conspiracy theories he was spreading. I'm not exactly motivated to give that one any more thought!!!

Disinfo: USAID financed Ukraine's 2014 Maidan protests with a $5 billion investment

euvsdisinfo.eu

Before we start throwing hour long youtube videos our direction, tell me does that video even address the assertion made by Chase... that Russia goaded Russia into attacking Ukraine... that Putin was manipulated into attacking Ukraine by Biden??!! That's the actual assertion that you seem to be backing up. Where's the evidence on that? It's not like there's no professors out there pointing out how the Ukraine invasion was illegal.

I would suggest that you and tomcat whether you two actually agree on everything. For example 9/11 conspiracies, global warming, whether the Titanic was sunk deliberately, vaccines, etc. You might not agree on everything!

Maybe also ask yourself if you also believed the lies Alex Jones was spreading 5 years back.

the videos i sent you are from mainstream and original sources. “from the horses mouth”.

But the problem is that if ppl who believe u are questioned on why they believe it, all they're left with to say is "somebody on the internet said it". So no point in saying it unless you're willing to go a step further with it.

You're indirectly implying the usual "don't believe the mainstream media" trope.

It was directly in response to your comment here.

 

[Conquistador]

Oh please you're not peddling conspiracy theories too!? The only true claim there (which I'm already aware of) is the one is the one you provided a link for. And that was in reaction to Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

The "US goaded Russia into attacking Ukraine"! Oh man, I'd genuinely like to know more about why people believe that. You obviously expect people here to just believe it because it's you. But the problem is that if ppl who believe u are questioned on why they believe it, all they're left with to say is "somebody on the internet said it". So no point in saying it unless you're willing to go a step further with it.

You're indirectly implying the usual "don't believe the mainstream media" trope.

Funny enough I was just last week having a chat with someone close to the chargé in Kyiv at the time, who augmented my already fairly detailed knowledge of the processes involved. The full story is complex, but suffice it to say that the US was more intimately involved in the Maidan than has been officially disclosed, although key policymakers likely did not fully understand what they were getting into in terms of Ukraine’s internal divisions and what Russia was prepared to do in response. There was major discontent in Crimea (almost entirely Russophone and heavily right-wing) and elsewhere. Russia stepped in and took measures not relatively much more radical than it had in other post-Soviet conflict zones. When the Kyiv government was about to successfully quell the Donbas uprisings, Putin sent spetsnaz and later regular line units in to save the rebels’ butts. Subsequently the conflict was frozen.

The key here is that although there is major continuity between 2014 and 2022, there were some fundamental shifts within the Kremlin and with Putin himself that are underappreciated.

 

[Chase]

Before we start throwing hour long youtube videos our direction, tell me does that video even address the assertion made by Chase... that the US goaded Russia into attacking Ukraine... that Putin was manipulated into attacking Ukraine by Biden??!!

Sheesh.

Just go and marry Victoria Nuland already if you love her approach to geopolitics so much

@Dash of Englishness probably doesn't even know who she is or how she architected the Euromaidan -- i.e., overthrow of Ukrainian democracy -- picked the puppet they installed after, and started the Ukraine-Russia war... in 2014. FYI, 14,000 soldiers and civilians were already dead before Russia invaded in 2022. The war began in 2014. Everyone knows Ukraine is a US proxy state, used for fighting Russia indirectly since a hot war between the US and Russia risks going nuclear; then the whole world burns. Dash of Englishness, are you typing this from 2022? Take a time machine to the present, bro!

 

[Dash of Englishness]

Sheesh.

Just go and marry Victoria Nuland already if you love her approach to geopolitics so much

@Dash of Englishness probably doesn't even know who she is or how she architected the Euromaidan -- i.e., overthrow of Ukrainian democracy -- picked the puppet they installed after, and started the Ukraine-Russia war... in 2014. FYI, 14,000 soldiers and civilians were already dead before Russia invaded in 2022. The war began in 2014. Everyone knows Ukraine is a US proxy state, used for fighting Russia indirectly since a hot war between the US and Russia risks going nuclear; then the whole world burns. Dash of Englishness, are you typing this from 2022? Take a time machine to the present, bro!

I hadn't heard of Victoria Nuland but I looked it up, and sorry to say, everything I come across is saying that it's a conspiracy theory peddled by Tucker Carlson, and the other guy that copied Musk's Nazi salute idea... Bannon. As far as I'm aware there's zero evidence of that claim, but in order to be that certain about it you guys (Spyce D, Skills, Chase, and tomcat) must have spent a good few months of constant research on this.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/victoria-nuland-is-the-long-standing-chief-architect-of-the-war-in-ukraine/

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/victoria-nuland-and-a-ukrainian-terrorist-admitted-that-ukraine-is-developing-biological-weapons/

All this reminds me of something else I heard a few years back... that in the 80s the Kremlin propagated false claims that the AIDs virus was really as a result of a secret US biological weapon experiment!!!

What is you're opinion of Tucker btw? Would you agree that he's a charlatan like most people think and that you just happen to agree with a little of what he says? Or would you be in alignment with his views in general? I mean it's pretty much got to be one or the other!

 

[gameboy]

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/victoria-nuland-is-the-long-standing-chief-architect-of-the-war-in-ukraine/

Make sure to put a condom on before visiting that domain!

 

[Dash of Englishness]

Make sure to put a condom on before visiting that domain!

If you're going to take sides at least make a constructive argument. Making put downs doesn't help to turn people.

 

[Conquistador]

I hadn't heard of Victoria Nuland but I looked it up, and sorry to say, everything I come across is saying that it's a conspiracy theory peddled by Tucker Carlson, and the other guy that copied Musk's Nazi salute idea... Bannon. As far as I'm aware there's zero evidence of that claim, but in order to be that certain about it you guys (Spyce D, Skills, Chase, and tomcat) must have spent a good few months of constant research on this.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/victoria-nuland-is-the-long-standing-chief-architect-of-the-war-in-ukraine/

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/victoria-nuland-and-a-ukrainian-terrorist-admitted-that-ukraine-is-developing-biological-weapons/

All this reminds me of something else I heard a few years back... that in the 80s the Kremlin propagated false claims that the AIDs virus was really as a result of a secret US biological weapon experiment!!!

What is you're opinion of Tucker btw? Would you agree that he's a charlatan like most people think and that you just happen to agree with a little of what he says? Or would you be in alignment with his views in general? I mean it's pretty much got to be one or the other!

I can’t speak for the other dudes but I personally am not a Tucker fan of course.

That doesn’t change the record on US diplomatic actions re:Ukraine. I’d be the first to admit they didn’t fully understand what they were dealing with (due to both classic American cultural tunnel vision and also frankly being a little high on the unipolar moment) but the US has had a clearly defined position on Ukraine throughout this century unless at least

And while I don’t endorse conspiracy theorists, you should be less naive about what our government officials get up to off the record. I recommend John Le Carré and Yes, Minister for a primer.

 

[ulrich]

If you're going to take sides at least make a constructive argument. Making put downs doesn't help to turn people.

I think he was referring to using TOR or other confidential web surfing software to avoid being tracked while reading these kind of sites.

 

[Chase]

What is you're opinion of Tucker btw? Would you agree that he's a charlatan like most people think and that you just happen to agree with a little of what he says? Or would you be in alignment with his views in general? I mean it's pretty much got to be one or the other!

Carlson doesn’t appear to have much in the way of his own ideas but he seems to get the idea of republicanism and understand a fair bit of the real problem in the West (i.e., elites vs. masses).

He engages a lot in the culture war stuff, which to me is just bread and circuses for the masses. But that is what gets the views. He also repeats a lot of tired conservative talking points and avoids some key issues. Nevertheless I’d say overall it’s a plus having him in the Western media dialogue.

It came out at one point that a lot of his material comes from his writers. The MSM dug up dirt on his key writer, got that guy fired, and after that I remember hearing it just seemed like Carlson was adrift for a while. He kept giving a bunch of half-baked takes, etc. I don’t know if that’s what you mean by ‘charlatan’, but if he’s essentially just the talking head that repeats whatever his writers tell him (which is what it looked like), then quite possibly. Pretty sure that’s how it is for most of these TV show anchors though. Basically just a whole bunch of Ron Burgundys!

That being said: everything I’ve seen from him has been short clips or text recaps of something he said. I rarely watch shows/videos. Just too time-consuming.