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thedude

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Hello gentlemen,

After a winter break of preparing and improving myself to be better for women, I think I am now better prepared for second semester. However I would like some advice regarding some headway I managed to make back in first Semester. Unfortunately my inexperience stopped me from accomplishing anything worth mention however I want to know if I can salvage any of these situations.

1. Krysten- Met her through a friend one day. Then much later in the future while going for breakfast before early morning philo class I spot her eating alone. I join her and we talk and walk towards our classes together where we part ways. The next day I get a FaceBook request from her. I accept and later I strike up a conversation, it goes for a while but I finally have the balls to get her number. I succeed but stupid me continues the conversation for a bit before finally realizing I need to get her in person. So I ask, "hey want to get dinner later?", she replies that she had plans with her friend to eat already. I say no problem , another time. She replies "Yeah Deff". I did not try anything after that... We still say hi to each other when we pass by... I am stupid for not persisting but I guess my logic was that I would be chasing after that.

2. Julie- Met her in my tiny human development class. Or she saw me rather because I first spoke to her when she recognized me at a party. Had a small chat then said our goodbyes. I then began talking to her in class where one day while walking back to our dorms we exchanged numbers(she asked for mine). We began texting back and forth for a bit, but I never really set anything definitive up. Ate lunch together one time only because we both met in the cafeteria by coincidence. This was another one where I did not know how to go about things really, plus I did not find her to be very attractive. She was not bad but meh.

3. Lisa- I met her through the student government for my hall. After 2 positions became, my President being a very smart man, realized we had no girls in the e-board for our hall and so he ended up selecting Lisa and this other girl named DeeDee. The first time I talk to her is during the big area wide meeting between all 5 of the hall e-boards and the area wide council which governs over them. We end up sitting next to each other and I strike up a conversation while we wait for the meeting to commence. Had a good conversation on psychology and other stuff and then at one point asked me my grade. I said Freshman(shes a Junior and I cannot lie now). She then says "interesting", no I may be digging to deep into this but that just sounded peculiar to me... Problem is that she is part of a friend group I want to ingratiate myself within(raves) and since I am still a beginner I suppose I should just tread carefully.

I would like any of your opinions on these three situations. Should I just drop em all, do this or that? Any response would be appreciated and in a format like this would be a great.
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PinotNoir

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1. Text her immediately and ask her when she's free or what her schedule is like in the next 2 weeks -- get used to asking this instead of pre-setting the day.

Personally, since it sounds like you're just saying "hi" to each other now, I would even just put it out there as a date. If she says no, what's the big deal? Then you'll still just be saying "hi" to each other without any conversation. Nothing will have changed. So, here is my "template" suggestion:

1.) Initiate with something interesting (truthful) and a possible light question/statement. Read GC's blogs on texting for help here. Here's how I initiated a girl a few weeks ago when it was snowing: "I can't stop making snow angels! hit anybody in the face with a snowball today?" Since it's been a while since you texted her, I would maybe send her name and your name at the end "evening Krysten, ... -Name".
2.) After her response, answer whatever question she may ask and immediately ask for her schedule. "What days you free this week?"
3.) After she tells you, ask for the date. "Tuesday sounds like a fantastic day for a date with a beautiful woman. You in?"

2. I did this a lot in college. I don't think I've "lowered my standards" now, but I've been trying to date girls more even if I'm only half-interested. If you aren't dating a lot, it's great way to boost your confidence, practice, etc., and sometimes you may actually like the girl more after knowing her personality better. I may get viewed as an asshole for this... But, heck, if I'm not dating anyone or going through a dry spell, it's better to be dating someone than not.

3. DeeDee... makes me think of Dexter's Laboratory :D Hmmm, for this one, not sure. I would talk with her more if you can and ask her if she'd like to hang out as friends (just you and her though). You can come up with a bogus excuse pretty easily here: want to talk more about psychology and interested in the major, want to talk more about being Junior and coursework, want to talk more about the council/etc.
 

thedude

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Thanks for the reply friend,

I will certainly try and implement some of these things so thank you
 

PinotNoir

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No problem man. Keep us posted on any updates! I want to hear if anything happens with these girls.
 

Whizzy

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Are you interested in any of their friends at all? If so you could think of it as a "soft reset"
 

thedude

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Success!

I now have a date with her on Wednesday with Krysten. We will however be smoking weed so that should only give me more of an edge.

The way I am going to go about it is like this
1. meet her and then go into the nature preserve to smoke
2. During all the deep diving and banter find out information on what TV shows she likes
3. Using the tool's example of the yes ladder technique get her to come to my room to watch an episode of said TV show
4. Make move while in my room...

I would appreciate it if Jay would give me some advice on setting that sexual mood he talked about in one of his posts, it seems useful. Also what may complicate things is it will be around dinner time while we are doing this so... weed = hunger and I am pretty sure that will come up during this so I may end up in the dining hall beforehand.

Also thanks again PinotNoir, this would not be possible without your one post. Also thanks to the tool, that LR of yours will come in handy now for me.
 

PinotNoir

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Epic! How did you ask her out?

As for dinner time and weed+hunger, will you already be alone in the nature preserve? If it's private enough, it may be the perfect time. You can also twist this in your favor, just in case. Consider this a Plan B. Have some food already prepared at your place (pizza is fine). Then if she says that she's getting hungry, use the yes ladder with the food at the end: "... And you're having a great time? (yes) And I bet you'd love some pizza? (yes) Want to come back to my place to eat some? (yes)." The only roadblock is if she doesn't like pizza... "Eating pizza" is also not that sexy.

Some people get hornier smoking weed, so this has to be a plus. However, just as with alcohol, some people's "game" gets off depending on your tolerance and how it affects you; try to stay focused.

Hopefully, Jay (or Chase/Franco) does see this post, as I think he'll be good with being sexy. I'm still trying to become better at framing. What is easiest for me is just flirting. Like in this situation, you may be able to comment on the bong in a phallic way (it's hot/long; she's rubbing it, just likes weed for the bong), or if it's a joint, on getting it wet or putting it in her mouth. You don't want to be too obvious. I usually try to say these in just a flat voice (with a hint of seduction). "You're getting it too wet." So then she's the one that says, "Oh, I'm getting it too wet!" Then I say, "Such a naughty girl ;) That angelic face didn't fool me for a second." (I stole the Angelic Face line from a Tool's post (I think); I used it recently, and it really made her blush!)

Something that's important on a first date is touch. Ah man, it's horrible to think about past 1st dates where I didn't touch! It makes it so much more natural when you go in for the kiss after you have already been getting close. Guide her in with your hand on her back. Touch her arm/hand/etc. to pretend to help with the joint, etc.
 

thedude

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Alright here is the text convo right here

Me: Hey Krysten, hope you had a good break:) The cold is freezing my butt off in between classes. How's it treating you?
Her: Hey, hope you had a good break too! I only had one class today, 8:30 but it was snowing so hard:( how are your classes going?
Me: Pretty good, but today I have five back to back:( Hey what days you free this week?
Her: That is crazy! Tomorrow and Thursday I have four back to back :p well I have no classes Wednesday and one 8:30 on Friday so either of those days
me: Cool, lets hang out on Wednesday after 5. Also do you still smoke?
Her: Okay, and smoke what?
Me: Marijuana, if you'd like.
Her: Ya sure
Me: Cool, i'll text you on Wednesday
Her: sure thang

I realize that I kind of botched the ending with adding weed into it..... Also we will be alone in the nature preserve but bear in mind that it will be relatively dark by the time we meet up and secondly it is cold as fuck up here in upstate New York. Also I would like to thank chase for his article on texting, I literally took one of his premade text and just substituted my shit into it for the opening text so thank god for this site

I know also pinot that you said to specifically say stuff to make it a date but I thought that would be a bit much, so I guess now when I do meet up with her I am going to have to try chase framing for the first time and really set the tone... I am anxious and afraid to say the least...
 

PinotNoir

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CollegeFreshman said:
Alright here is the text convo right here

Me: Hey Krysten, hope you had a good break:) The cold is freezing my butt off in between classes. How's it treating you?
Her: Hey, hope you had a good break too! I only had one class today, 8:30 but it was snowing so hard:( how are your classes going?
Me: Pretty good, but today I have five back to back:( Hey what days you free this week?
Her: That is crazy! Tomorrow and Thursday I have four back to back :p well I have no classes Wednesday and one 8:30 on Friday so either of those days
me: Cool, lets hang out on Wednesday after 5. Also do you still smoke?
Her: Okay, and smoke what?
Me: Marijuana, if you'd like.
Her: Ya sure
Me: Cool, i'll text you on Wednesday
Her: sure thang

I realize that I kind of botched the ending with adding weed into it..... Also we will be alone in the nature preserve but bear in mind that it will be relatively dark by the time we meet up and secondly it is cold as fuck up here in upstate New York. Also I would like to thank chase for his article on texting, I literally took one of his premade text and just substituted my shit into it for the opening text so thank god for this site

I know also pinot that you said to specifically say stuff to make it a date but I thought that would be a bit much, so I guess now when I do meet up with her I am going to have to try chase framing for the first time and really set the tone... I am anxious and afraid to say the least...

Awesome convo. As for not asking as a date, you will always know the person better than the people posting here (since you met in person), so that's 100% your call, so no worries. Not everything needs to be "labeled." However, call it a hunch, but based on the general convo, I do think she was hoping for a date. I think you must have done a good job when initially meeting.

As for the cold, it's always your friend when wanting to get close ;)
 

thedude

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Thanks I will keep that in mind.

I am trying to figure out how I am going to do this as I type this.. I am screening through a bunch of the blog posts as well. Man I hope I don't fuck this up.
 

thedude

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Well the date has been postponed till tomorrow, here is the brief text conversation

Krysten: Hey CollegeFreshman, so I was thinking about it and Tuesdays and Thursdays are so busy so I'm doing all my work now and I think it would be better to hang out tomorrow any time after 4:30 because I know I'll have time to just relax and not worry about everything I have to do
Me: No problem, good to see you are keeping an eye on school. How studious:)
Krysten: Lol yeah, I have four classes Tuesday so I have to do all my work for the same four classes on Thursday, its crazy
ME: I'm sure you can handle it trooper. I'll text ya tomorrow.


That was it, I get another day to study I suppose so not too bad.
 

Verisimilitude

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I'm glad the date is still on man, but this seems like a red flag for getting her to chase you.

Hey CollegeFreshman, so I was thinking about it and Tuesdays and Thursdays are so busy so I'm doing all my work now and I think it would be better to hang out tomorrow any time after 4:30 because I know I'll have time to just relax and not worry about everything I have to do

Essentially, the power is in her hands now, because she knows you are so available (thus making you chase her). It isn't major just a thing to look out for. You can get some of the power back by changing the date time (Chase has an blog post about this) or you can go with it and for future reference be like:

"That's too bad, because I have xyz that day. and suggest another time or let her suggest another time (puts her in the chasing position)"

Whatever you choose, hope it goes well.
 
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PinotNoir

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Yes, I agree with ccc here. Since it's framed as hanging out, I would just go ahead and agree to it, and since you already have agreed, I wouldn't backtrack out of it. However, if she changes the day/time again, then I definitely suggest saying that you're busy and rescheduling.
 

Verisimilitude

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Yes, I agree with ccc here.

Thanks Pinot, its funny how I can answer other ppl's questions here easily, but in real life, I can read all the advice I want, but I still have problems.
 

thedude

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Well in the end she ended up flaking.. :/

Here are the texts


Me: Hey Krysten, i'll meet you in Appalachian dining hall at 6:40
Her: I'm going to Walmart with my friends in like ten minutes and we're aiming to be back by seven so I'll text you when I'm on campus

Well, not all is lost I suppose and plus I set up a date with Julia now to do the same thing on Saturday. Seems more promising. I will write up the txt convo with her soon, I need to go do shoulders at the gym now though.
 

Verisimilitude

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I'm sorry to hear that man. I wouldn't text her until she gives a reason why she flaked. Good luck with the other girl. Don't be bitter. You learned a lot man. Keep your chin up and on to the next one :)
 

Whizzy

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Sorry to hear that, hopefully the next one or several go much better!
 

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From What I have read it seems the attraction kindof expired because you did not move fast enough with these woman. I would move on, still attempt but dont get your hopes up. Ive been reading through your noobie assignment and you are doing great. there are many more women out there for you CollegeFreshman. i forsee great things. Keep it up!!!

Cheers, The Tool
 

thedude

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Well my 2nd date fell through as well....

I suppose starting fresh is the best option I have now is to start fresh and make sure every Friday and Saturday that I am out and about downtown.

A summary of Friday for the me the day I did go out was a drunken blurr sprinkled with failed attempts by me of trying to talk to girls or dance with them. So in essence this entire week was a fiasco. I suppose I learned a little, but still...

I will put up the text convo later if it really matters at this point.
 
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