LR Beach pickup: same day lay and sisters!

[Water_Polo]

Something tells me if I was a short Asian man you would still make an excuse.

back in 2006 -2008 when I was getting laid more than ever I wasn’t hot. I was super skinny, had bad acne, and my teeth were horrible.

I’ll be the first to admit that good looks does help but if you think looks alone gets me the majority of my lays… well, I encourage you to go max out your looks and let me know how that goes for you. Even if you become a legit male 10 I think you will be disappointed in how that translates to success. The vast majority of women still won’t jump on your cock just because you have a pretty face.

I've seen short Asian men in pua spaces before though, that 57pickup guy. Last I saw he ditched cold approach pickup as "peasant game" and opted to try status game and doing passport bro stuff. Think he said he approached about 10,000 girls in Vegas and slept with "dozens" lol. Also became a pua coach for a bit.

I don't really need to know what it's like being an attractive guy because I lived that life when I was younger but I lost my hair in my mid 20s so you can save all that "it's not all that" stuff for someone who doesn't know any better. Yes it's easier to pickup girls when they think you're hot. It's not even remotely the same thing as doing it when you're average or below average. Not saying you need to be physically attractive to get girls but saying that it's not an objectively far easier experience is going too far. If she thinks you're hot, it's a lay up and not the same thing at all as a cold approach while being normal looking.

Just my own personal experience having been both attractive and unattractive while also being friends with quite a few other guys who were also attractive.

 

[Will_V]

I split off the discussion about game to a new thread. Please keep all replies to this thread constructive and focused on the contents of the lay report.

 

[bgwh]

lol, pretty accurate description of what's on display here. Seen this dude posting on reddit for a while now too. In his own words he describes himself as;

"I’m hot. Legit modeling contracts offered and everything and no women don’t usually just throw themselves at me. That’s not usually how it works no matter what some guys like to believe.
Also being attractive comes with its own challenges."

So yes, he's basically just a good looking dude who gets lay ups. Another dude on third base who thinks he hit a triple. Nothing wrong with that, imo that's the way the game should be played. You should be able to generate attraction first, there are many ways to do that other than just being good looking. However, I do think that it's a bit disengenuous to chalk this all up to solid game or think that this type of set up is replicable to guys who are looking for seduction advice and end up just reading about his "game" and thinking that's all you need to pull. Not everybody can rely on just going about your day until girls in bikinis give stand next to you because they think you're hot.

I didn't quite get your post. Who does the reddit part refer to? It's a different person on the reddit. Or is that Warped Mindless (the author of this LR?)

Edit: Nevermind. You were talking about the comments section, not the reddit post. I did find a "Warped Mindless" that said this in reddit on a comment.

 

[Hue]

HBGuilty for the jail sentence lmaoooo

 

[Energy]

looked at her and simply pulled out my phone and handed it to her after unlocking it. “Obviously I think we should all meet again.” Nothing more had to be said. She put in her number.

Great LR! How do you know you can get away with this? I thought that we should have good reasons to meet or set the logistics of the date before exchanging numbers ?

 

[Warped Mindless]

I’ve been a bit busy but I’ve had some people DM me asking for Pt 2 so I’ll get that up soon.

 

[Marty]

Preface

It has been Years since I have last written a proper LR.

Mostly I avoid such things for two main reasons:

1) They bore me to tears

2) I would rather spend time on something that gets me closer to my goals

Be that as it may, I have had several request on the Seduction Shortcuts discord channel (most of the users come from this forum) to write a LR about my recent same day lay from the beach as well as my sexual escapades with biological sisters (been a while since this has happened…).

Part 1: Sun, Sand, Sexual Pervasions

It was my weekend with the kiddo and like normal she decided she wanted to go to the park. Not far from where I live this a massive lake with multiple beaches, each equipped with a small park. During the summer there is never a shortage of kids at these beaches or parks and my daughter loves to go play.

We arrive at the park a little after four and like normal she takes off and begins playing with the other kids. My little one is a true social butterfly and will strike a friendship with anyone and everyone. I sat off to the side half watching her and half checking work emails. It was a little after 4pm and I remember wishing I had brought my swim shorts as the heat was near unbearable.

10 minutes into it a kid around my daughters age runs to the playground and shortly behind him two bikini clad cuties. One looked young, maybe 20, and the other a bit older at around 25 (Later learned they were actually 19 and 24).

I couldn’t help but notice that both stopped and stood directly to my right not more than a few feet away. Some in the community might refer to this as a “hover” where a woman is standing near you hoping to elicit your attention. And with these skimpy bikinis elicit my attention they did!

I looked over and simply and nonchalantly asked: “Hey. How’s the water feel?”

The older one (we will call her HBGuilty) quickly smiled and told me it felt amazing.

HBGuilty was soon joined by her younger sister, HBSister, to confirm this.

I looked at them, flashed a curious smile, and said “let me guess…. Sisters?”

This was obvious because they honestly look a lot alike.

I could already tell that HBGuility was very interested. Her sister, HBSister, seemed a little more unsure and neutral.

I asked her if the kid was theirs and HBGuilty told me it was her kids friend that she was watching. She then asked me which kid was mine. I told her to take a guess and she easily pointed out my little one. I suspect she noticed us before which is why she so easily pointed mine out from all the kids playing.

I followed up by asking them if they are stereotypical “beach girls” and they laughed and said “no.” HBSister went into a story about how she almost drowned by swimming out to far to get a beach ball. She told me she was a bad swimmer. I seen that she wasn’t terribly shaken up by this and threw out a light “pinging tease.”

A pinging tease is where I start playfully teasing to see how they respond. I can then calibrate my next steps based on their verbal and non-verbal reaction. In this case where I found both women highly attractive I also wanted to see which sister would “bite” harder. That would be the one I went for.

They both seemed to enjoy the banter and played back into it.

I took that as a green light and said “Hmm, so which one is older. Im going to guess one of you is 42 and the other maybe only 40?”

They both started playfully calling me “asshole” and “jerk.”

It was at this point I stood up and beckoned them over to the picnic table and told them to come sit with me and that we could keep an eye on the kids from there.

HBGuility sat to my left and VERY close, HBSister sat on my right but kept a little more distance. The fact that both sisters easily followed my lead and both sat on either side of me was a huge green light.

HBGuility asked for my name right after sitting. I told her and both girls in return told me theirs. I did a little BS cold read about HBGuilty name which seemed to amuse her. It was then that HBSister slid a little closer to me and started competing for my attention.

We spent the next four or so hours on what was essentially an “Insta date” while the kids played on the playground.

At one point around 30 or so minutes into it I tried to start deep diving them a bit but I seen that HBSister grew bored of that quickly so I transitioned back into playful mode.

I alternated back and forth between the two sisters, giving one sister attention to make the other jealous and then right before losing the jealous sister I would then transition to her to give her my attention thus making the other jealous. It was a balancing act because if I went to far with one and the other got to upset and wanted to leave, they would both have had to go because they came in the same car.

On the upside, this made both girls very attracted to me. It got very playful to the point where I was picking up HBSister, throwing her over my shoulder, and spinning her around while I threatened to go throw her in the water.

At one point HBSister threw out some lame shit test and I playfully responded: “Why dont you go get a ladder so you can say that to my face.” (This is actually a pretty stock response I use and it nearly always has a good effect)

She stepped up onto the table and repeated herself. So I stepped up to so I could once again be taller. She (playfully) got into my face and I noticed that she was very obviously making sure to push her tits into my chest. It was then I turned the eye contact very sexual.

HBGuility noticed and I believe she got overly jealous and loudly announced that she was going to the bathroom. I actually thought I probably pushed the jealously plot lines a little to far and that when she returned her was going to want to leave.

When HBGuility came back I made sure to show her more attention. She was a little less playful than her younger sister so I started deep diving her. Asked her about what she wanted to be when she was a kid, the dreams she had, got into a deep talk on how emotions guide us thru life even when we don’t realize it.

All the while HBSister is performing (badly) cartwheels to try and get my attention. Finally I do give it back to her. I reached out my hand and said “girl its hot out! You need to take a break before you collapse and I have to give you CPR.” She took my hand and I did that old classic RSD Spin move. Say what you want about RSD but I have been doing that stupid spin move since 2008 and women fucking love it. We ended up in a “tickle fight” when she sat down and I noticed that she used that as an excuse for her hand to get very close to my crotch.

It was beginning to get dark and HBGuility was getting jealous again and hinted that they would have to leave soon. I looked at her and simply pulled out my phone and handed it to her after unlocking it. “Obviously I think we should all meet again.” Nothing more had to be said. She put in her number. Then, to the very visible dismay of HBGuility, I handed my phone to HBSister and had her put in her number too. They then put my number in their phone.

They left and I collected my daughter and we left too.

Lessons For You:

1. If your fundamentals are good there are plenty of women who will give you easy opportunities to open them such as when they came and stood near me. Dont miss that window!
2. You can be more bold in your teases than you likely realize if you do it with confidence. Always amazed when I watched day game infield videos and I see such boring lame conversations. Spice that interaction up by teasing them. Throw a small one out there first and see how she reacts. Then you calibrate from there.
3. Most of the time when you approach a 2+ women you arent going to always have both/all of them into you. Throwing out some “pinging teases” like I did and see which one bites will show you which one has the most interest. Usually one girl will have the most interest and her friends will see it and back off.
4. On occasion you will have multiple women attracted to you. Amp that up by carefully creating and balancing the amount of jealously you inject into the interaction. This is “Chick crack” and will do 99% of the “attraction“ work for you.
5. Game doesnt always need to be complicated or “fireworks.” All I did was allow my sound fundamentals to create attraction passively while I did some light leading, lots of jealously plot lines, controlled the sexual tension, and I HAD FUN.
6. If you dont know what else to do, or you just want to keep it playful, always ask yourself “How can I make this fun for me?” Emotions are contagious and if you have fun, she (or they in this case) usually will to. Fun is attractive.
7. Know when to inject sexual tension and how to amp it up. I used lots of sexual eye contact at the right time and lots of kino with HBSister when I was picking her up, spinning her, and tickle fighting.

Part 2: Guilty As Charged

Not even an hour after leaving the park HBGuility text me a simple “so what’s up?”

The fact that she text first was huge green light. No need for fancy “text game” BS in these situations. She just opened a window, time to pull her through it.

“Putting my daughter to bed and then just relaxing. You + Me = Drinks tonight?” Was my text back.

She responded back yes and we had a few more back and forth text on logistics.

Hour and thirty minutes later she was at my house and dressed to kill.

I answered the door and killed the whole “awkward touch phase” by immediately giving her a big warm hug and telling her to come on. It was pretty much on from there. We started making out right there and took it to the bed room.

Sometimes women are just DTF. Don’t screw it up by trying to get fancy and doing stupid shit. When she is ready to close… close!

I did my normal “foreplay routine” (I’ll make a separate post sometime) that I use to make women super turned on and then we had sex. The sex was decent, certainly not bad but not my best performance either but she still got off multiple times and squirted on my bed. She got shy and apologized for getting my sheets wet and told me she rarely ever squirts. I inwardly doubted this as she squirted easily.

Very soon after that I noticed that her mood drastically changed. She quickly got up and said she had to get dressed to leave.

I made no effort to stop her.

Soon after she left with what I noticed were tears in her eyes and she text me: “hey I’m sorry. I have a BF. He is in jail for the weekend and I can’t believe I cheated on him.”

I simply texted back “No worries.” and left it at that.

Lessons For You:

1. Women will “game” you by giving you easy opportunities to progress things forward. Her texting me first and asking me “what’s up” was her opening a window. Keep an eye on these and pull the trigger. Back when i started in 2006 (yes I’m getting old) I was horrible at recognizing these windows. You will get better with experience.
2. In sales we have a saying: “Dont talk past the close.” In other words, when the prospect is ready to buy, shut up, and that their money. Text game is the same way. Notice I had no fancy back and forth with text trying to “create attraction” or “gain rapport.” She was ready and I closed.
3. When a woman comes to your house you should immediately break the touch barrier as this will help keep things from getting awkward. Give them a big warm hug and sexual eye contact. How she reacts will tell you how much time she needs before you can get her naked in the bedroom. If shes really nervous you can slow down and put her at ease. If shes all fired up and ready to go, close!
4. Learn how to fuck! I’ll make a separate post on “Stupid Simple Sex” that will detail some important stuff.
5. When a woman seems regretful after sex it can be a good idea to try and change her state quickly. These days you never know when some chick will fire off a False R@pe Allegation after they willingly have sex with you. I have had this happen before. In this case something told me to just let her go. The longer you do this the stronger your instincts will become. Learn to listen to them.

Part 3: Double Indiscretion

Around 11am the next morning I got a text from HBSister asking me if I slept with her sister last night.

I ignored this text.

A few hours later I text HBSister back using some callback humor: “Drown any more lately?”

We texted back and forth for a few minutes. She didn’t bring up her earlier question and neither did I. She asked if I still had my daughter and I told her that she would be back at her moms within a few hours. She told me how much fun she had hanging out at the beach and then I dropped her one of my standard text: “You + me = Drinks? Tonight?”

She told me no. Said that she thinks her sister likes me and that she doesn’t want to make her mad since they live together. I simply said “No worries then ” and left it at that.

She followed up and asked me not to mention to her sister that we (as in me and HBSister) were texting each other.

I reassured her by saying “Anything we talk about stays between us. Our business is OUR business.”

She replied with “Thats perfect thank you ”

I got distracted and didn’t text her back. A little while later my phone “dings” and its HBGuility asking me “what’s up?” Again.

I honestly didn’t know if I would hear from her again or even if I was going to reach back out but I decided if she wanted to come have sex again without me having to put in any effort… why not?

I replied: “Your bf still in jail? Round two?”

She asked if I was busy and I told her I wasn’t and to come over.

She came over and was immediately all over me. It was apparent this was a very high sex drive girl who needed her sex. Not a problem!

We wet to the bedroom and fucked for about an hour before she had to leave. No tears in her eyes this time.

She mentioned that he BF was getting out of jail tomorrow but that she would like to keep seeing me but that she would text me when she could. I asked her what her BF was in jail for and it was nothing serious or violent. I honestly didn‘t know if I cared to see her again but I told her “ok” figuring I could always just ignore her text if I decide to.

After it was all done and she left I checked my phone and noticed I had a missed call and a text from my main fuck buddy asking to come over. I just ignored it and made a mental note to message her tomorrow. 10 years ago I would have told her to come over and I would have fucked her too. I must be getting old.

Lessons For You:

1. Never feel like you have to reply to anything a woman says. I ignored her text because answering it served no strategic purpose. Sometimes no answer and changing the subject is the best response.
2. Make sure you keep recognizing windows of opportunity. Her texting me first, her telling me she had fun, and her asking me what I was doing later (a big one) are all windows she was creating.
3. If you get rejected just treat it like it’s no big deal because it really isn’t.
4. Always look to frame yourself as someone who is discreet and can keep secrets. Me telling HBSister that what we talk about is OUR business reinforces this and created a “her and I” frame.
5. Read the subtle cues. Why is HBSister wanting me to keep secrets? I had the feeling it was more than not wanting to make her sister mad. She was interested.
6. If you are going to fuck women with BFs and husbands, make sure you find out who you are dealing with. Was the BF in jail for something stupid or is he a MMA biker guy who beat up someone? Ive had to deal wit some BFs/Husbands over the years and its rarely fun (unless they are swingers in which it is very fun).
7. Abundance. Its so much easier to ”not give a fuck” when you legitimately have options. This will improve your inner game more than reading 100 PUA books will. Even if you are new and still getting better, get a girl (or two) as fuck buddies so you can have sex almost whenever you need it. Even if you currently have to settle for girls not as good looking as you would like, get a couple girls on rotation anyways. Its easier to not care about any one girl you approach when you have a couple others you can have sure sex with wherever you want.

Part 4 Coming Soon

This is getting entirely to long. I’ll come back and write up the next part later.

Spolier: I fuck HBSister and try for a threesome.

Do I succeed with the threesome…..

No.

Read Pt 2 for details when I post it.

This is incredible, brilliant, magical. I vote for a sticky in the STICKIED: Tribal Elder LR-, LR, and LR+ Compilation Thread.

 

[James Cruse]

We spent the next four or so hours on what was essentially an “Insta date” while the kids played on the playground.

At one point around 30 or so minutes into it I tried to start deep diving them a bit but I seen that HBSister grew bored of that quickly so I transitioned back into playful mode.

Not alot of dialogue included in this Field Report.

There was 4 whole hours on an Instadate and almost none of what was said was written here?

For me this was the most fascinating part, not only spending almost 4 hours with them, but also mostly being playful and without much deep diving.

It’s really a report without alot of actual seduction written her, included or perhaps not even done, in the report.

Most of the time when you approach a 2+ women you arent going to always have both/all of them into you. Throwing out some “pinging teases” like I did and see which one bites will show you which one has the most interest. Usually one girl will have the most interest and her friends will see it and back off.

What were the “pinging teases”? You refer to them a few times but never mention what you actually said

Why dont you go get a ladder so you can say that to my face.” (This is actually a pretty stock response I use and it nearly always has a good effect)

I reached out my hand and said “girl its hot out! You need to take a break before you collapse and I have to give you CPR.” She took my hand and I did that old classic RSD Spin move.

This cheesy 80’s gear here - really made it work though, for sure.

You can be more bold in your teases than you likely realize if you do it with confidence. Always amazed when I watched day game infield videos and I see such boring lame conversations. Spice that interaction up by teasing them. Throw a small one out there first and see how she reacts. Then you calibrate from there.

Not really a lesson here - you didn’t really mention what they were in the 4+ hour period.

Sometimes women are just DTF. Don’t screw it up by trying to get fancy and doing stupid shit. When she is ready to close… close!

I could not agree more - this really should be the summary of this report: DTF Girls: just don’t fuck up.

I’m hot. Legit modeling contracts offered and everything and no women don’t usually just throw themselves at me. That’s not usually how it works no matter what some guys like to believe.
Also being attractive comes with its own challenges."

Lol He said that?
I’ve seen pictures of him and while he looks like he goes to the gym, this is very far from true.

 

[Marty]

What age bracket are you in Warpless? Closing 19-25s sounds impressive honestly.

Hi Bgwh, I’ve noticed you make a couple similar observations on this forum, and it is my opinion (which you may take or leave) that you are making too big a deal of this utter nonissue. Please see my post here for reference; and I’m not in any sense “good with girls“. If you have a different experience, I respect that, but I suspect that it may help you to let go of any self-imposed limiting beliefs in this regard. Please forgive me for my directness, but I hope I can be helpful. -Marty

 

[bgwh]

Hi Bgwh, I’ve noticed you make a couple similar observations on this forum, and it is my opinion (which you may take or leave) that you are making too big a deal of this utter nonissue. Please see my post here for reference; and I’m not in any sense “good with girls“. If you have a different experience, I respect that, but I suspect that it may help you to let go of any self-imposed limiting beliefs in this regard. Please forgive me for my directness, but I hope I can be helpful. -Marty

All of your assumptions are completely wrong. Completely and utterly.

I've banged plenty of chicks 10+ years younger than me (and more recently 15+), so it would be absurd for me to "lack belief" that it's possible, when I do it constantly. Done it for a long time in social circle game and warm approaches and warm environments.

And even after starting cold approach, I notice how they respond, I see no difference. Quite a few easily show pretty blatant IOIs, so there's nothing for me to disbelief. Again, I'm not new to either banging chicks much younger than me, nor to getting laid in general. I can read interest, and I see it's there.

The only reason I've been asking is because of calibration. It's not about whether it's possible to bang them, it's about calibration and trying to tease out the differences. That's why I'm generally asking what are the age gaps when guys approach, because I am generally trying to tease out if there's an adjustment in how you approach the different age cohorts.

I know as a fact (again, because I've banged plenty in social circle and warm approach) that you do not approach, nor do things exactly the same with different age categories. It's not the same. The approach is different.