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Lofty

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===2/13/2021, 2:54 PM – Reflection #1

I’ve just realized something very interesting.

Have you ever noticed how amazing it is that we can be sitting here, reading these words, and these words can carry our minds to somewhere entirely different?

For example, I’m sitting here. With my hands deciding what pushes on the keyboard will come next. And then as my fingers go tap tap tap... suddenly I find where my mind is.

It’s back at last Sunday morning, the 7th. Around 9:00 AM. Let’s go there.

This is a vivid moment. A moment when ALL of my senses are activated.

No, not activated. Renewed.

I’ve learned that this is what happens after you have sex.

The world feels both tiny and massive in this moment. Also, I'm currently making out with a hot girl that I just banged.

My feet are just steps away from the exit of the dormitory, an exit of which is also an entry into an expansive world where limitless possibilities await.

And furthermore, two words cross my electrified mind: Witch 15.

So I will soon muster up the fibers of my body to retract back to the body of my own, but only after one last feverish swim across the ocean of her body, from the softness of her bounteous derrière to the headlands of her spine to the coastline of her sparkling face. My hands rest in these waters, and I soak in the warmth of her hazel gaze.

She doesn’t want me to leave quite yet. She wants to kiss more.

A kiss on the forehead. No more words except goodbye. I anchor away without turning back, back into the world I go.

One foot out the door into the cold, then two, then three.

My mind is still on her, feeling her eyes on me still.

The feeling is so intense, in fact, that I almost walk directly into an innocent-looking chap who clearly observed our liminality in some combination of awe, jealousy, and disgust.

I know the look on his face, in his eyes, behind his mask.

Because that used to be me.

===2/13, 5:39 PM – Reliving The Set-Up

How it happened. What happened before this particular morning hour.

I will let you know.

It began how it began, over on the night of January 29th.

A crazy night among the wildest in the Lofty records. I was out and about, approaching on the nighttime streets as I’ve done in these COVID times. My weekend strategy as of late has been to intercept the party-hoppers on and around my college campus because this is where most of the activity lies given the circumstances. While the night was capped by a 3:00 AM tumble in the shrubs - a near-lay – with a hot 18-year-old Cluster B who lost her purse, something rather interesting happened in the hours before. And out of all of the things during this time, it seemed the most tame, the most unlikely to produce a sexual result.

Earlier that night, I was punched by a heavily inebriated girl wearing daisy-dukes, befriended an equally inebriated guy, am approached by a girl who takes a strong interest in my hairband, become baffled when the drunk guy chases her off, try to re-hook the girl, and attempt to go to a party with the drunk guy who I had just ditched for the girl.

An uproarious series of events.

What almost immediately followed was a spur-of-the-moment two set. As I returned to one of my favorite post-up locations to regroup, a smallish blonde wearing a white corset-looking top approaches me with open arms. In my journal, I call this girl HBThorn. Her friend is dramatically hugging a friend goodbye. Now she is pretending to the same to me. A little peculiar behavior but it made sense in the spontaneity of the moment.

Of course, I don’t turn down a free hug! I’ll include the original telling of this event in the spoiler below.
It’s an active night.

As I go back to the same post-up location, I notice a two-set at the crosswalk. One of them is hugging a dude, saying goodbye. The other girl, a cute, petite blonde wearing this white corset-looking top and blue jeans, notices me. When I get close, she starts acting like she’s making an emotional goodbye to me as her friend is to the dude. The girl, HBThorn, opens up her arms for a hug. Kind of weird, but I won’t say no!
HBThorn: It was so nice to meet you, oh my god! I can’t believe you’re leaving!!!
Me: Oh my god, I know. You were like the coolest, most spontaneous girl I’ve ever met. There’s this vibe about you that just makes you so different from all these other girls who are so superficial… you’re simply one-of a kind.
HB (pushing away from the hug and taking a curious look into my eyes): Hi.
Me: Hi. Besides tearful goodbyes, what are you up to?
HB: Haha. We’re just going back to [dorm] now.
Me: Wow, me too. You’re a freshman, then. Me too - I live off-campus but was planning on going that direction to meet up with some friends. We can walk and talk on the way there. (Lots and lots of social frame BS)
HB: Okay! :)
Her friend, who is actually a quite attractive blonde, makes her way over. A quick introduction, and she quietly walks ahead of us while HBThorn and I chat. I fractionate through the three keys. Hit some SOTs like connection, adventure, and relaxation in stressful times. Says she likes gymnastics and playing the violin to relax. Perfectly sets up my plausible deniability of producing a song together. I’m close to breaking her will. Very close. She’s bumping shoulders and all that. Wants me. Her friend is the issue. Poor girl doesn’t want to be viewed as a slut. Accordingly, I enter a discussion of how much of a shame it is that women are judged so harshly, and how sexual freedom is true liberation and independence.

This brings us to the courtyard in front of the dorm. Different dorm than the all-girls one. It’s co-ed, so while I’m not supposed to go in because of COVID… I could. The three of us are standing there while I persist to continue our conversation inside, maybe talking about making music. After all, we’re spontaneous people, right? We wouldn’t want to regret not talking advantage of a chance encounter with an interesting stranger…
Me: Yeah, it’s been such a calming and relaxing conversation, hasn’t it? Feels like I’ve known you for my entire life… I get the sense that you are the type of girl to connect with people very quickly. So let’s just go inside and talk about music a little more… just kind of winding down the night, you know?
HBThorn: I’m soooooo tired, though. I don’t stay up late.
Me: Oh, I understand. How late do you usually stay up?
HB: Well, 3 or so…
Me: Hey, you’re actually a bit of a night owl… that’s pretty late. It’s 2:00… that gives us one hour… then I’ll leave and you can go to sleep.
HB: ….
HotFriend: I just texted Logan! He’s coming to let us in.
Me: Wait, so you don’t live here?
HB: Yeah… not at this specific dorm, a different one. She’s going to hang out with her boyfriend for a while.
Me: Perfect. If he’s as cool as you two, I’d love to meet him. And then we can just go on a soothing walk to put the cherry-on-top of our nights…
HB: I’m really tired though… Do you smoke weed?
Me: How come you ask?
HB: Haha, I get that about your vibe. Do you do acid?
Me: Are you profiling me?
HB: Hahahhahaaha noooooooo
HB: I’m honestly tired, but we should hang out another time! What’s your SnapChat?
Me: I recently deleted my social media. It was stressful for me… I’m sure you understand – it was time for a new and refreshing life.
HB: I get that! Do you do phone numbers?
Me: Wouldn’t you rather take advantage of NOW? We can’t control the future… there’s all these overbearing things like school, COVID, work… we’ll be so busy that who knows if we’ll see each other again? But we can control the NOW… that’s up to US. We can make it an unforgettable time… you wouldn’t want to regret anything, right? I wouldn’t…
HB: No, but, please?
Me: We can go on a walk first, then I’ll give you my number.
HB: :(
HB: Can I give your number to my friend, then? She’s really hot. You two have such the same vibe!!
She whips out her phone, and shows me her friend’s Instagram page. Hey, she is really hot. Way hotter than HBThorn. Sorry.

Damn, she’s a hot bad bitch who I assume smokes weed and does acid. Yeah, you can give her my number. But how do I know she’ll text me?

So HBThorn sends a Snap message to her hot friend, HBMarina. It says something about how she met this cute guy named Lofty who will be sending her a text. And that we have such a similar vibe and should meet up. Thanks!

It works like this. HBThorn actually takes my number haha. That would’ve been super Mach if she truly wanted it for herself. Then she sends me HBMarina’s number. I make a note to text her, but I don’t get my hopes up. It’s cool, though.

This Logan guy, the boyfriend, comes out to let them in. It’s kind of sudden, and they leave before I react or charm him. We move on.
In summary, I hook her. Immerse her. Join the walk back to their dormitory. I’m attempting to isolate her for the SNL. But I never completely breach her will given the pressure of the friend and their ensuing plans.

HBThorn then tries to number close me, although I reject because I want to fuck her right then and there. However, she must have taken this as a rejection. So she whips out her phone and shoves an Instagram page in my face. It’s the tantalizing page of her sorority sister. On this bright screen, I see a well-featured, hot brunette who is more attractive than the more cute HBThorn.

And HBThorn pleads for permission to give me the number of her friend. An interesting dynamic. Social frame resulting from a strong impression?

If she can’t have this mysterious stranger, perhaps her hotter friend could. Maybe that would mean I’d also be closely available in the future…

Since HBThorn’s friend is very attractive, I decide to play along. The number of this girl, who I call HBMarina, is excitedly sent to my phone. Ping.

I don’t expect much from this exchange. But might as well give it a go. I politely inquire for HBThorn to tell HBMarina about the impending text. To which she enthusiastically sends a Snap message to HBMarina about how she met a cute guy named Lofty…

We then part ways. Not long after that I’m in another girl’s mouth, rolling around the foliage. But when I wake up the next day, I remember to send an icebreaker text to HBMarina not really expecting a response.

In reality, we set sail.

===1/30 – 2/6 Texting with HBMarina

If you followed my journal in the fall, you’ll know that my texting is rather, um, raw.

I lost tons of leads from this. Mostly every girl I number closed – so many that I decided to pretty much stop number closing and go for the SDL/SNL entirely. Still, I dedicated time during my winter break to improve my text game. Many thanks to @fog and Velasco for providing positive direction in this matter. Also what has really helped me is an insightful suggestion from @Bacchus, who says to simply envision her response before hitting send. Therefore taking full advantage of the fact that at least texting provides you with the time to think and compose.

Anyway, I feel like my texting has become a bit better. It remains quite rough, even poor. But not as skin-and-bones as before. Gives a little chance, at least.

It helps me compose this icebreaker text.
1/30, 3:31 PM
Me: hey HBMarina, i met a friend of yours last night who kept saying we had “the same vibe” so she gave me your number. Said you were fun, spontaneous, and open-minded haha. did she tell you about this? im Lofty btw
While I’m doing a bodyweight exercise routine a few hours later, my eyebrows raise when I receive an unexpected response. Warm.
1/30, 6:50 PM
HBMarina: Hey lofty haha yes HBThorn told me that same thing
HBMarina: I’m curious to know how we’re similar tho we gotta meet each other soon
Can we say… S-O-C-I-A-L F-R-A-M-E?

Why, yes!

Social frame.

Also picking up clever tactics from a number of thoughtful text guides on the forums, I try to concoct something engaging, immersive, and SOT-charged. Featuring the hint of plausible deniability.
1/30, 7:12 PM
Me:
yeah i feel like when people have similarities, deep connections can form quickly. so maybe we should see just how similar we are. do you like relaxing walks and deep conversations?

1/30, 7:24 PM
HBMarina:
Absolutely I do
HBMarina: Do you like going hammoking and listening to chill, vibey type music?

1/30, 7:36 PM
Me:
Absolutely I do. I actually am a music producer and make chill, vibey music. seems like HBThorn was right about us
Me: what time are you free tonight? maybe we can chill and do some of these calming things together

1/30, 7:44 PM
HBMarina:
No wayy dude my brother produces music too
HBMarina: We should do it during the day sometime soon
HBMarina: I’m going to a party w a few of my friends around 10

1/30, 8:14 PM
Me:
the similarities just keep on coming. and I get it, you want to have fun with your friends. a great way to wind down your saturday night
Me: no worries HBMarina, i’ll probably be hanging with friends too. we can just go on a walk tomorrow
Gah. See? I am no text game expert. Thinking that she was already invested to quickly meet-up per HBThorn’s suggestion, I went for the close too soon.

I imagine her suggestion to “do it during the day” is essentially a manifestation of ASD. Because although the plausible deniability was set, it’s probably difficult to overcome the inherent sexual premise of a nighttime meet-up with a recommended beau.

Or safety concerns. That too.

Anyway, I think that I’ve mostly messed things up at this point. A text doesn’t come from her until Wednesday, which honestly surprised me again.
2/3, 5:54 PM
HBMarina: Oh my gosh I’m sorry I didn’t see that you wanted to go for a walk on Sunday
HBMarina: We should go hammocking this week


2/4, 12:10 AM
Me:
hammocking sounds super fun. like we can escape into our own little world together. when are you free?

2/4, 2:01 AM
HBMarina:
I’m free on Sunday. We should definitely go at sunrise or sunset tho
Me: hey there night owl. good idea - let’s do sunrise on sunday. i take it that you know a good spot? (note: I did not want to do sunset because of the potential for her to flake for a Super Bowl party)
HBMarina: You’d be correct

HBMarina: [nearby lake] is a very pretty spot to do it
Me: sounds like we have a plan. your ideas are fresh and interesting. i can already tell that you’re not like most girls
Me: im very curious what I’ll see when i look into your eyes

2/4, 3:15 AM
HBMarina:
You think so? :) and woahh so ur saying u wanna eye gaze ?
Well, would you have a look at that. Maybe my texting is super cringe. Actually, it is super cringe. But it’s at least not terrible enough anymore to give this thing a sliver of hope. Again, the social frame awarded by HBThorn has to be a major factor. After all, HBMarina has never even seen me yet… unless HBThorn snagged a quick picture of me without my knowledge.

At this high point, I do not respond even though I’m still awake.

Instead, I mull this situation over in a journal post. As usual, this fantastic community is here to help. My friend @fog makes a few astute observations and provides a suggestion for a new, improved texting direction.
Nice referral from HBThorn, Lofty. Here's my thoughts on what's going on and what to do about it. The path I am suggesting is to maintain your value and avoid emotionally escalating. As I reread it, I find it to be an interesting angle that I hope you can take bits of for now and for later.

You have good social frame - but it appears you don't currently have a huge amount of power in this text exchange. she has sorted out the date, the time and place, and has ignored you once, while, you have qualified her and agreed with everything she is saying without screening her much. she only gave you one option to hang out, and you accepted it. you are not being too much of a challenge. Because of your social frame, however, you are still in good standing.

There is room to flip the script; i would not continue to escalate, you will give her validation, come across as predictable and lower your value. do not do as every other guy would do. instead, i would make her work a little harder, keep her on her toes, generate more mental investment from her. or freeze things out, then pick up the conversation in a couple of days with a pre-emptive qualification statement and logistical screening.

1. flip the script, be unpredictable, leave her on read at key moments, flake on her, push her away a little bit and take the interaction backwards...example 1 screening her/being suspicious about her social frame then qualifying her and then continuing the logistical texting.


2. pre-emptive qualification. she says "you think so?". in a couple of days, reply with a pre-emptive statement "so far...i think so" and then continue to logistical texting.

Curious to see the route you end up taking and her replies. Let me know if you have questions.
@fog's words really made sense to me. He’s a great teacher and has been since the first time we chatted. In this case, I was making it too easy for her. She’s a hot girl. Probably has plenty of orbiters blowing up her phone. I was intriguing her, but it was all happening on HER terms. If I continued down this volatile path, she could become flaky again and jeopardize the interaction.

After deliberation, I went with @fog's second recommendation as I still recognize my lack of experience with a fully conversational texting style. With a naughty grin on my face, I send the text off to pull this rope back in my direction.
2/5, 5:58 PM
Me:
so far...i think so
She hasn’t responded by the time I make my next journal post on Saturday. We’re supposed to meet later that night to go hammocking and watch the sunrise, but again, the details are extremely hazy. In fact, I’m not even sure if it will happen. Still, I know that @fog's plan sets me up for success. This is all part of the process. No panicking, no neediness. Calm.

At this point, I make note of the logistics that still must be addressed.
There are still logistics to sort out:
  • Does she have a car to drive to the lake? I don’t…
  • What time will we meet?
  • Where will we meet?
  • There’s a chance of rain in the early morning hours. Do I invite her to my place first in the case of rain?
And then I brainstorm a list of potential text messages to begin addressing these logistical uncertainties.
Preliminary Options for Next Text to HBMarina
  1. hey, excited to meet up later. you have a car?
  2. been a stressful couple days… excited to go hammocking and finally wind down. you have a car?
  3. pre-hammocking music sesh at my place. 10pm (language catered to her tendencies)
  4. i’m free after 9:00. good to meet up then?
  5. hey HBMarina. what is your favorite thing to do before going hammocking? I can tell you mine
  6. have a playlist ready for sunrise. you like chill, jazzy hip-hop instrumentals?
  7. Other, better options currently unknown
When she still hasn’t said anything by 8:45 PM on Saturday, I send a message presuming that our intent is still to meet. Here we go.
2/6, 8:51 PM
Me:
have a playlist ready for sunrise. you like jazzy hip-hop instrumentals and spacey-sounding electronic vibes, right?

2/6, 8:53 PM

HBMarina: I like soo many types of music
HBMarina: It all depends on the vibe
HBMarina: But send me some songs you’re talking about :)
HBMarina: Do we wanna go for sunrise or sunset? I’m going to a party tonight so I don’t wanna wake up and realize I missed sunrise
Me: i could send you some but on the other hand maybe i should leave you intrigued
HBMarina: Hmm maybe you should
Me: and i was thinking sunrise because sunset is at the same time as the super bowl and i thought we might both have parties then
HBMarina: Ohh okay
HBMarina: I have no plans for the super bowl
Like a wave. Up, and then down. I quickly realize that the Super Bowl comment was a misstep. As she has no plans, it provides her the opportunity to suggest meeting for sunset the next day. This not only would give her back most of the power in the interaction, but it obviously gives her an opportunity to flake. Plus, I want to meet her tonight. Plus, I want to watch the Super Bowl. Accordingly, I switch to a different logistical thread.
2/6, 9:06 PM
Me: you have a car?
HBMarina: Yes sir
Me: sweet. we’re both night owls so sunrise will be fun and exciting
Me: i definitely want you to have fun with your friends tonight, so yeah let’s meet up after that then
Me: Around midnight sound good? That way we can just chill and already be together before we go
HBMarina: Oh wow that’s actually a good idea
HBMarina: I’m a tad bit worried I’ll get tired
Me: no worries! we can just feel it out and if you get sleepy, then we’ll talk about it no problem. we’re not superhuman, we all get tired :)
HBMarina: You’re a great person and I already know it.
HBMarina: Where do you stay at?
Me: im over at [name of apartment complex], [address]. its a good spot, really close to everything
Let’s go! Lofty unorthodox triple-text for the win :p

But not so quick, you little Casanova, you.

What happens next is a little expected. There’s not a peep from her even into the midnight hour. Well, we’ve come this far, haven’t we? Might as well give it a shot. Oh, and it’s raining pretty heavily now.
2/7, 12:41 AM
Me: let me know when you get here and i can come get you with an umbrella if it’s still raining. you can also call me if you need anything!

2/7, 12:42 AM

HBMarina: Would you mind picking me up later on? I know you’re a night owl too, but I don’t wanna keep you up
HBMarina: Think we’ll be up all night?
Me: i would definitely pick you up... but unfortunately i don’t have a car. you can always Uber and i’d wait for you outside of the apartment
Me: i get the sense that we’ll quickly get deep into conversation so we just might, but i also want you to be comfortable and feeling well of course. that’s what matters most :)
HBMarina: Thank you for being so considerate. I’m back at my dorm. I might have a friend drive me to your place, or we could meet up tomorrow morning?
Me: you know im a nighttime guy and im excited to chill with you! it’ll be a really relaxed vibe and a nice way to wind down. yeah try having a friend drop you off then, and if that doesn’t work we can talk it out. sound good?

HBMarina: Sounds good :) im waiting for her to answer rn, but we will need my car for sunrise in the morning so should I just drive over? I’ve taken a few shots earlier on today and drank out of a wine bag haha but I think I’d be fine driving
Me: hmmmmmmmm. nah don’t risk that, probably best to give it a few more hours. but you’re right about needing your car. so what if i just grab a ride over to you? that work?
A pause for some time. Over an hour. That means one thing.

I am definitely being discussed in the sorority group chat right now. Seems like they’re talking it over thoroughly.

The levee gives in eventually. Probably the social frame and encouraging her to not possibly drunk-drive over to my place – alone – in the pouring rain. Also, she’s not going to be tired. She texted me at 3:15 AM on a Thursday morning. That tiredness isn’t real. She’s good, just have to work past those objections.
2/7, 2:12 AM
HBMarina:
Ok so either you come here, or I come to your place in an hour
HBMarina: I don’t mind
Me: i’ll just get a ride over so we can start hanging haha. which dorm are you at?

2/7, 2:25 AM

HBMarina: [dorm]
Me: cool, i’ll let you know when im there
HBMarina: Kk
:cool:

===2/7, 2:50 AM – Meeting HBMarina

Quick as a cheetah, I call an Uber and pack a drawstring bag with an umbrella, Bluetooth speaker, fruit snacks, and condoms.

My outfit of choice is a green bomber jacket, a white long-sleeved undershirt, bleached slim-fitting jeans, and suede black PUMA sneakers that have light blue detailing. Topped off by a silver necklace with a wave-like pendant, and a silver bracelet on my left wrist. These were additions recommended by @Bismarck in what feels like such a long time ago, but it really wasn't. These items have now become very special to me.

Lastly, we swipe in a hairband to acquiesce the locks.

On the way there, I notice a couple things. First off, the rain has stopped. Second, the destination is quite familiar.

As the Uber pulls up to the front door of the dormitory, I look about 200 feet to my right. Some emotions build up. It’s the place where I was wrongfully detained by dumb police in August. That was a rainy day, too. I was also wearing the same white shirt. But the person wearing the shirt is much different.

For example, well, where to start?

I am who I am writing this and I was who I was writing that. The difference is palpable.

Anyway, I see both the excitement and irony in this situation. I hop out of the Uber and post-up against a cold, brick wall inside the dorm pavilion.
2/7, 2:43 AM
Me:
okay I’m at the door :)
Alright, alright. I know what some of you are thinking. Lofty is going over to a girl’s dorm room at 3:00 AM. This is blatantly a hook-up, right?

No. Well, I don’t think so, personally. This is a situation borne out of cold approach. She’s a hot girl who’s excited to see me at 3:00 AM when the only information she has are a referral and some text messages. All apparently because of the impression I made during that two-set and our text conversation. Guess I’m safe and intriguing now.

Moreover, the plausable deniablility of watching the sunrise and listening to music was set. Frames were set. Not a perfect performance from me, but it got the job done. At least so far. Still work to do, I think. But I do know that the door is wide-open.

The door for sex, that is. The door of the dorm remains closed for the next 7 minutes.

While waiting, I do a few breathing exercises. Also, I have a spur-of-the-moment inspiration to make a quick list of topics that I want to have fresh in my memory. I jot them down in the Notes app on my phone.
Quick Notes Made While Waiting to Go Inside

-Connection
-Feels like I’ve known her forever now, longer than we actually have
-Can learn a lot about people quickly
-Travel
-First sight
-Vibe over texting
-Music
-Her night
-Sex standards in women
-Men judging women
-Having fun
-Letting go
-Losing control
-Adventure
-Spontaneity
-Eyes
-Similarities through connections
-Not like most girls!
-What her eyes say
-Grabbing life by the horns
-Eye contact, sexual subcommunication, mirror neurons
-“Don’t worry about leaving me out here, I know you’re probably busy and occupied”
-I was texting my friend Jada... she had to deal with some creeps tonight. It’s like, “what do women TRULY want?”
I’m thankful that the ideas are flowing. I know I’m ready. If she’ll ever let me inside.

Finally, the text we’ve been waiting for.
2/7, 2:50 AM
HBMarina: Omg I’m sorry I’m just now seeing this. I’m coming down rn
Focusing on my breathing, I just keep using my phone as a prop. I want her to be looking at me when I look at her.

Soon, I feel a gaze through the glass doors. Fluent motion in the periphery. Slowly, I look up with a devilish grin.

What I see.

What I see first is the luxuriant ombré hair, long in length, lavishly outlining her body all the way to the small of her back, clearly a result of a very recent trip to the salon.

Her expansive, tailored hair provides a swanky look to her shorter frame. An athletically-slim frame that has been blessed with tantalizing features.

Swanky black-and-white striped pants hug every inch of her legs. That booty. Plush.

Craftily tucked in at the hips is an oversized, faded-blue top. The outline of her perky breasts excites me, especially when they bounce with every step she takes.

The expression. Sweet-faced. Daddy’s girl turned bad bitch.

This is the type of girl. That was previously far beyond my stratosphere. That I want to stick my dick inside with unbridled passion.

The way that I’m staring into her eyes should make this rather clear. A delighted smile dances on her glossed lips.

My text of arrival was no mystery to her. She was just getting ready for me.

A push and a rush of air. The door opens.

“Lofty?”

My eyes do not quiver as I sexually subcommunicate into her soul. Sprezzatura sees me lackadaisically shift from my wall, step-by-step until I stand in front of her… staring down into her hazel eyes.

“HBMarina.”

A giggle met with outstretched arms. The embrace is a portent. From the five seconds we have seen each other, there is no doubt that I will know her.

I pull away as I keep my hands softly on her shoulders. Still staring into her. Frisson on her face. My words are readied after a planned moment of tension.
Me: You know, I’ve realized something very… interesting. Maybe you realized this, too, while we were texting…
HBMarina: Yeah?
Me: Did you ever notice, while we were texting, the… connection… we seemed to have? It’s like our vibe… synced together. Our similarities… right from the start… were exciting. Remember what I said about staring into your eyes… and now that I am… I’m sure that there’s something so… different… about you, HBMarina… and isn’t so fascinating how it already feels like we’ve known each other forever… like this is meant to be?
HB: Yeah, like the way you were texting me, I knew that you actually cared about me. I did feel something when we were texting. I’m glad HBThorn gave you my number…
Me: *another pause with strong eye contact*
Me: I’m really excited to watch the sunrise with you.
And from the look on her face, I know that I could slam her against the wall and take her right there. But I don’t. Arouse and tempt.

She asks if I want to go up to her room now. Sure. She’s on the third floor, so we’ll have a little time to talk as we walk.

On the way, she asks me how my night is going. Eh, so-so, I say. My friend Jada was texting me about how she was at a party but kept getting harassed by horny creeps. After all, it’s such a shame that women have to deal with these things when instead of being groped, they really just want to get to know you. But in the end, she met a guy who defended her from these guys, and he was rather fascinating. A skilled conversationist with a seductive gaze.

A thrilling development, right?

I recount how Jada told me about his offer to go home with him so they could dance a little and check out his artwork. And how she asked for my thoughts on the proposition. I portray it just how I explained it to her. That as a mature, independent women, I encouraged her to live her own life with spontaneity – taking the chance to release herself from the pressures of everyday life. Plus, instead of living life with regret, it’s better to grab life by the horns.

HBMarina likes this story.

Even if Jada only exists in our seducer imaginations, a demure image of a girl who lives in the moment.

I also ask her how her night is going on a scale of 1-10… if I were to ask her, of course. A 7. Not bad, I say. We all have these expectations for the rush of nightlife. Taking off the masks of the day-to-day drawl and becoming who we want to be. Meeting riveting people and learning new things about ourselves – perhaps even discovering unexpected things. But while a 7 out of 10 is decent, has she ever noticed how that 7 out of 10 night can be become a 10 out of 10 night in just an instant?

Yes, HBMarina says. She has noticed that.

Good, I reply. Because there’s this vibe in the air and I’d like to explore it together.

Not wanting to repeat past mistakes, I also set an open-loop about how I was also producing music earlier. She’d like to hear it. My new melodies are only on my computer, though, so maybe we can listen sometime at my place. I do this just in case sex doesn’t happen neither here nor on the hammock. Trying to be more risk-averse.

Like she texted me, her brother also produces music. He’s just getting started. So I inquire as to whether she remembers an exhilarating time when she was doing something new and exciting. She does – when she danced in high school.

That’s interesting. Because I feel like when you keep an open-mind, trusting yourself and other people, these electrifying opportunities really can pop up at any moment. We just have to be ready to thrust ourselves into the thick of it when the time comes. You know what I mean?

She does.

We’re at her dorm.

===2/7, 3:00 AM – Fucking HBMarina

Her shoulder has been up against mine since I came in from outside. I don’t think I’ve looked away from her, either. Arouse and tempt. Risk-aversion.

It’s a suite-style dorm, so she has roommates in the rooms adjacent to hers. A reminder to not be too loud. We go through one more entrance into her room, and we hop up onto the raised bed, sitting next to each other, inches away from contact.

The room itself is rather charming. Lots of pillows and calming décor. White dresser with a mirror you can see from the bed. Pictures of friends and experiences draped on the wall. Homey.

Next to each other, she’s enlivened. Well-aware of what secrets these walls will hold.

I break the silence with my mirror neurons firing.
Me: Remember how I was talking about my friend, Jada?
HBMarina: Yeah!
Me: Well, it has me thinking about something. Pay close attention because I REALLY want to hear your thoughts on this, okay?
HB: Okay!
Me: In society nowadays, isn’t it always so unfair how women are being judged? It’s like as you just want to live your life, day-by-day… you’re just bombarded with these PRESSURES just bearing down on you like a boulder on your back… you know, that social media post and that poster girl standard that you have to live up to, right?
HB: I mean they all use filters – it’s not a level playing field. That’s why I try to stay off of Instagram. It’s all about attention and so negative!
Me: Exactly… the people we see on social media just… aren’t real. What’s real is when we step outside of the norm… marching to the beat of our own drum… because what’s truly real… is when we realize the value of connecting with someone face-to-face… like we are now. THAT’S when the boulder of judgement is lifted off our back… when our minds can truly be free…
HB: Yeah, I agree! But it’s not just the women who have to deal with this. It’s the men, too.
Me: You know… that’s really intriguing. I’ve never head anyone say this before… what do you mean? Like really flesh it out…
HB: I guess it’s just that I’m a very caring person. I want to be a nurse, so I try to pay attention to things like this because it can be super stressful for people. Men are just like women in that they have to act a certain way and dress a certain way. You see how all the fraternities are. Everyone feels the pressure to be the same! That feeling is everywhere for everyone, really.
Me: That feeling is everywhere for everyone… that’s so true and very insightful. So how do you think we could escape from these pressures together? Not caring what anyone else thinks and trusting our emotions that we feel… deep inside?
HB: Yeah!
Me: And you want to be a nurse, so you’re really caring and perceptive of people. Seeing people being happy is kind of what really gets you going. I can tell that you’re really selfless, so you want people to feel free and completely relaxed like we’re talking about… doing fun things without inhibition. Since you’re always so focused on other people’s happiness, does anyone ever tell you that sometimes… you should be focused on YOUR happiness… YOUR fulfillment… YOUR satisfaction?
HB (smiling – she’s ready): I do get that a lot!
She’s all mine. But I can tell that she’ll need me to get things going physically.
Me: Especially when it comes to meeting new people, right? You’re probably always giving your friends advice about this guy and that guy… but what about YOU? I feel like it’s YOUR time, right? You’ve earned it, you DESERVE it. All it takes is a small leap of faith… letting yourself go… relaxing… LIVING IN THE MOMENT… seeing what is in front of you… and going for it.
*I lightly touch her shoulder, making a few small, rhythmic movements. She brings her forehead to mine. Just a little more now…*
Me: And when you DO let yourself go… indulging in the liberation of pleasure… maybe even small little exciting things like… mhmmmmm… touching… and caressing… and kissing… you can develop such strong bonds with other people… and isn’t it so amazing… how quickly things can… escalate?
This girl is inches away from my mouth now, and I know it’s time. I close the final few centimeters and our lips meet in an eager frenzy.

Lip-to-lip, we are basking in each other’s attention. We needed this. Wanted it.

Her movement is soft yet aggressive. Once her hands begin to glide against my shirt, I pull away. A surprised hot-girl look. Grinning, I tug her shirt into me until she kisses me again.

My own hands begin to prance upon her body. On the outside of her clothing. Then a touch of exposed skin. Then on the outside of her clothing. Then to her hair. Her neck. While her tongue and hands are swirling.

Once my right index finger softly strokes down her inner chest, she moans, moving her lips down to my neck. She wants to claim me with a hickey.

But I’m not here for a hickey.

Letting her think she’ll have her way for a moment, I then gently twirl one hand in her elegant hair and stroke the outer edges of her face with the other. My next move is to teasingly push and pull her away, simultaneously. I do that.

“Absolutely… not.”

“Why, baby, whyyyyy???? Please baby, please let me, I’ll be so good for you, I promise!”


She pleads. Entertaining. A reminder that she’s either 18 or 19 years old, both a highly desirable women yet largely a young girl.

Also, she has clearly displayed traits of a blend between the SUB and OCP archetypes. Based off her texts, I had an inkling this was the case… and she’s proving it right now. I like this. A lot.

With my hands still in the same positions, I yank her down under me so she now lays with her head on the pillow. A little girly sound. I smooth my hands through her hair, thumbs resting near her temples. Eye-gazing.

“You need to trust me, okay, HBMarina? Trust me. Trust me. Know that you can let go now. As my fingertips graze along your body, you’ll feel… relaxed… freed… liberated… and all of your problems like school… friends… COVID… will drift away like a balloon up into the sky… and you can entirely stop thinking about anything except for how much pleasure I’m going to give you.”

Moan. I lift up her chin and begin kissing her neck. She’s already squirming and asking for more. So I stick a finger in her mouth to help her with that. “I’ll take care of you, baby,” I assure her.

Not long after this, I tell her to lift up her arms. The faded blue top flies off, revealing a red lace bra and rather sumptuous breasts. I take off my jacket and shirt as well. Leaning down on her, I run more sex talk while caressing her to make her wet as a waterslide.

I go with versions of the Good/Bad Sex, 8 Orgasms, Mental G-Spot, and Submissiveness gambits. It was quite delightful to see her immense arousal with sex talk during foreplay. After reading this thread, I subscribed to Major Mark’s free Renegade Hypnotist newsletter where he’s noted to always just keep talking to a girl when intimate. Keeping her focus on you and her pleasure. So it’s fun to get creative with sex talk, in addition to pacing her, during this closeness.

20 minutes of sensual foreplay eases by... slowly. I am working very, very... slowly. Acclimatizing her to my tongue and touch.

Now one Lofty hand latches onto her bra, pulling it town and teasing her left nipple. But just for a second. Then the bra comes back on to her astonishment. A trick from Sex God.

“I don’t think you’re quite ready for that, yet, baby.”

“I promise you I am, Lofty! I am ready, please please please! I am ready for soooooo much more. I’ll be soooooo good for you. I’ll do anything you want! I want you inside of me. Please fuck me, Daddy!”


Oh. Is that right. Things are about to get very fun. Also, I don’t like to be called Daddy. Makes me feel weird. It doesn’t sound erotic to me, and we’re around the same age, anyway.

So I gently slap her. Put my hands around her neck. Groan animalistically into her ear. Whisper something much more suitable, if she does want to refer to me as something besides what she believes is my name, which isn't even my real name at all.

“You will refer to me as Master. HBMarina, you will be a good little slut for me and do anything that I ask. You will obey me. Submit to me. Tell me that you submit to me.”

“I submit to you, Master…”


Ah, yes. Soothing words to my horny, kinky ears.

How things can change in just an instant.

I command her to remove her pants. The black-and-white striped pants fly off, revealing a red lace thong. A matching set. Just for me.

Without saying anything, I put her hands on my belt. She hurriedly undoes it, and unzips the jeans. I do the rest, so they’re off. She tells me how hot I am. Cool.

Now, I graze my fingertips all around her thighs and lower abdomen. Her cute little hands are grasping for my boxers. I slap them away, shoving them onto her bra. Take it off and hand it to me.

Obedient girl.

The red lace bra is tossed onto the ground. Her nipples are extremely enticing. I do believe they require a good licking.

As my tongue meets her sumptuous nipples, two of my fingers are abruptly stuffed into her soaking-wet pussy, with the other hand ripping the thong off so it joins its matching bra on the floor.

A glorious shriek.

It’s Niagara Falls down there. And of course, I tell her all about it.

Using techniques learned from in10se’s Secret Principles of Pleasure – recommended to me by Dreamer – I extensively tease the fuck out of her pussy, clit, nipples, and body at large for about 30 more minutes while keeping the caressing and talking going. Eventually, my dick comes out. But I don’t allow her to touch it.

Once I know that she’s had her fill of moans and pleasure, I decide it’s time to move things forward around an hour into foreplay with an anti-climactic twist.
Me: Do you know what I REALLY want to do to you, baby?
HBMarina: What would you like to do to me, Master?
Me: You’re such a good little girl for me, baby. Listen carefully. I want to take your arms… and tie them up with a belt behind your back. So you can’t move them… at all… without my permission. And then I want to pin you down… HARD… and pull your hair… HARD… and choke you… HARD… while sensually kissing every… single… inch… of your little girl body… moving the energy of my touch down… and down… and down your body… until I’m carefully circling around… and around your clit.. all 8,000 sensitive nerve endings of your clit…
Me: And then do you know what I’ll do next to my little girl?
HB: Will you fuck me?
Me: NO. I will put my clothes back on, turn off the lights, and go to sleep.
HB: What?!!? Noooooooo. You have to fuck me. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fuck me. I’ll do aaaaaaanything!
*I slap her... gently*
Me: I decide when I want to fuck my little girl. Open your mouth.
HB: Yes, Master…
*I fill her mouth with my dick, then reach for a condom in my nearby bag*
So she’s going crazy after finally being allowed to feel my cock, and I get the condom in my hand. Using all of my willpower, I pull my dick out of her mouth. Her look is priceless. Then, I slide the condom on to her utmost excitement. More begging.

“I want you inside of me, Lofty… I want you inside of me so badly…”

The time has come. After all this teasing and foreplay, I will conquest this beautiful girl who is yearning to take my cock. All these approaches… have paid off. She’s… all mine.

However.

I can’t get my dick in her really tight pussy. And you guys know my story. I’m acting experienced, but I’m just not at all experienced. I’m trying to get it in, and as I’m trying, my dick softens to about 75% with the condom on. That makes it even worse.

She starts apologizing profusely for how tight her pussy is, but I reassure her. Not the time to be all dominant Lofty – this is my fault. She’s really calm with it, and just encourages me to relax. Asks me to sit-up against the wall. I don’t like the aesthetic of her asking me to do something, but it’s time to be human and not a fucking BDSM overlord. We both want to fuck.

So after giving her a look, I methodically lean against the wall. She sits up, too, and begins to drape herself over me. Pushing the womanly softness of her body against me. Starts licking my ear and whispering…

“Relax, love… relax. It’s okay. It’s late, and you’re tired. You’re just here squeezed onto a twin-sized bed, and you’re using a condom… I actually really want you to take the condom off…”

Yeah… that’s nice. HOLD ON WTF IS SHE PACING ME?

“You’re right, baby… help me relax. I’ll use a condom, baby – it’s for you, not for me. Help me relax now…”

HBMarina smiles and nods. Pushes her tits up against me, simultaneously beginning to hypnotically shake her hips while sitting on my lap. She moves quite well.

Then after a few moments, she starts grinding her pussy so fucking insanely all over my dick. The visual stimulation is so intense that a raging erection returns.

With an extremely satisfied look on her face, she puts a handle on my dick and slides it into her waterslide of a pussy.

Oh… fuck. Getting soft was one of the scariest moments of my life, but she’s a real pro.

Now riding my dick like crazy. Bouncing her ass and just loving it.

But I’ve never had a girl ride me before, let alone like some fucking wild girl rodeo. I try to initiate the slow, sensual thrusting method taught by the Eros Technique videos I’ve watched, but I keep feeling like she’s going to break my dick.

We are not in-sync.

The girl is having tons of fun, though. Building her anticipation and focusing on foreplay definitely worked!

As for me, I really don’t feel much. Years of masturbation and the condom, yeah. I don’t mind, truthfully – I like pleasuring her and enjoy the mental sensations just as much, if not more, than the physical ones. Plus, I know that especially after a few weeks of the exercises from The Multi-Orgasmic Man that I’m in full control of my ejaculations.

After a few minutes of me just not harmonizing with her rhythm, she makes too sudden of a movement and I slip out of her. Which results in her body landing on my dick. Noticing me wince, she becomes extremely apologetic – oh my god I hurt you, I’m so so sorry – but I don’t give it much thought.

What I do give thought is that I’d much rather be in control, even though I highly appreciate her working with me so consummately.

When she tries to kiss me, I grab a handful of her hair. Then pull her head down to my chest and press it down.

“You will get back on me and obey every single fucking word I say. Do you understand me, HBMarina?”

“Yes, Master,” she enthusiastically recites.

And after a slight moment of her kissing my chest, she gets back on. This time, I have a better sense of how to do this.

I thrust up to her moan.

“Now pleasure yourself,” I say.

She goes crazy.

Stop.

Obedient girl.

I slowly come down while staring in her eyes and chanting, “Now… slow.. controlled movements…

And we get very sensual. I tell her to match my breaths. In and out. Slowly. Controlled breaths.

Then I abruptly thrust up again for five seconds while she pleasures herself.

Next, slow, controlled movements. Repeat.

There we have the Eros Technique in effect.

We fuck like this for probably 15 minutes while I take the liberty of teasing her clit and nipples. Her hands flying through my hair. Clenching my hair. Harder and harder. Feeling her pussy become an unrelenting grip on my dick.

I know she’s been getting off. I decide that it’s time to put her into adapted missionary to drive her crazier.

I gently direct her body so she tumbles over, thinking that I’ll stay inside her, too. Maybe that was a dumb notion because I slip out.

And I can never get hard enough with a condom on to get back in.

Sigh.

When I’ve read about ED issues, I had trouble understanding them. I didn’t know how it was possible with a naked girl wanting to be penetrated. Yet, now I do. I already noticed weaker erections in recent months - presumably due to porn usage that I’ve now quit entirely – but this was extremely discouraging. I fear that these issues will follow me…

She enjoyed the dicking, however, and wants more. Starts calling me “love” again, trying to get me to relax. Laying on top of me. Twerking on me. Grinding. It’s very hot and erotic. But my dick can’t get past 70% with the condom and that’s not good enough. Maybe the condom was too tight, and that wasn’t helping?

On top of that, something unexpected happens. She’s kissing me, absolutely worshipping my body… when suddenly…

A drop of blood splatters on my chest.

What?

Yes, blood on my chest.

From my FUCKING NOSE.

My nose starts bleeding. Seriously, body?

However, HBMarina stays calm, saying that it’s okay and she won’t judge me. Thanks, I guess. She goes and gets a handful of tissues. There we are, with me lying naked, nose bleeding, in a hot girl’s bed, while she stands to my side and hands me tissues.

Not only that, but I’ve completely dominated this really hot girl who months ago would’ve seemed like just an extravagant dream. Like, I had her BEGGING to be fucked. BY ME.

If you haven’t given this seduction thing a try, I’d highly recommend it.

Moreover, I’m in the dorm where I was almost arrested just months ago.

And now a hot naked girl is handing me tissues.

It’s cosmic.

An influx of emotions. I start laughing. “What?” she worriedly inquires.

“Nothing,” I respond. “This is your bed. You shouldn’t be standing. Sit down with me and let’s talk.”

She smiles and jumps on the bed, resting next to me with her hands stroking my legs. It’s true that we escalated to sex very quickly. We need this, too. She asks some social frame stuff. I ask what is one thing that she really likes to do besides eating, sleeping, and partying? A blush. I guess why. It’s masturbation. I have her describe how she loves to masturbate with a vibrator, and she asks if I want to use it on her. Maybe, I say. She follows by saying that we’ll be spending plenty of time together, so we'll have plenty of opportunities to try things, including how she has dreamed of being fucked while tied-up, collared, and leashed...

I don’t address this. Instead, I ask more imaginative questions. Where she’d go if she could go anywhere, assuming she also won the lottery, of course.

Hawaii, to the beach. Ah, so you can skip around the beach in a bikini, showing off your body, and bask in the sun, feeling the warm of the sun’s rays energizing your skin…

Tells me that she’s never met anyone like me before. That’s what I’ve been wanting to hear.

The only thing I truly want is to give her a sexual experience that she’ll never forget. The type that 10 years from now… when all the mommy-duties are done for the day… that she’ll rub her clit to.

Then I get her talking more about herself. She thoroughly describes her drug usage, and how she got started with them while hanging out in the rural woods with her brothers. Names a bunch of psychedelics that I’ve never heard of, even though she expects that I have. Because for some reason everyone thinks that I do a lot of drugs.
HBMarina: *talks about all the psychedelics she uses and how much she loves them, how they make her feel, etc.*
Me: You know, I don’t use a lot of psychedelics… maybe because I’m not ready to yet, or maybe because I don’t know who I’ll become on them… or maybe because I’m happy with how I feel right now. But I really respect those who do use them in the right ways, and it’s such a shame how society views them so negatively. As that doesn't accurately reflect their scientifically-proven benefits. I actually know some people who study the use of psychedelics, and they say that they can not only help you explore your subconscious but also alleviate past trauma…
HB: I’m SO GLAD you said that! My older brother is actually hoping to study that same thing, but most people don’t think that way…
She also offers me Molly at this point, but I politely decline.

If you haven’t noticed already, HBMarina is not only HOT and really sexual, but she’s also as cool as fuck.

Even though her behavior is somewhat erratic and probably flirts with that Cluster B spectrum, I know that I’ll want her as the beginning member of my rotation.

After around 15 minutes of bonding, my nose stops bleeding. We go to the sink, chuckling about not wanting to wake up her “innocent” roommates while parading through the shared hallway. She tugs on my necklace asking what it means. I give her my bullshit explanation about how it symbolizes Eternal Justice because of its wavey pendant and the liveliness of the water cycle… she just laughs while I tell her that it’s my necklace and it can mean whatever the fuck I want it to mean. I’ve said this a couple times now and love doing it every time.

When we’re cleaning the blood off my body, she gives a ton of compliments to me. About how I’m so sexy, my abs are so hot, whatever. I remember something in a thread about having a girl detail the three things that she likes most about you, so I think to adapt it here and ask this to her. Her answers are surprising... and telling.
  1. My verbals. She literally said, “I like how you are verbally.”
  2. My confidence
  3. My eye contact
Hence, she likes… game. SMMA. Tech. Pacing. Language. Sensuality. Having her mind escape at my whim. Being together in the moment. Liminality.

Not the famed triad of looks, mon - you know.

And furthermore, maybe someone reads this and thinks about how she complimented my body, and how other girls have given me compliments lately.

Here’s the thing, though. I’m nothing special genetically. In fact, I've been so sexually underdeveloped that my first kiss wasn’t even until Summer 2019. Beyond my years of puberty. In a situation that would be almost impossible not to get a quick peck out of.

In middle school and high school, I observed the bodies of the girls becoming full and luscious. Hearing the stories of house parties and sex. Pretending to know about it, laughing about it.

Yet, it wasn’t my reality. I befriended the jocks and befriended the alternative kids and befriended the brainiacs. Everyone thought that I was fucking hard, just keeping it on-the-low because no one knew much about my personal life anyway.

The truth was that not only was I never fucking and never kissed, I had only even touched a girl a few times…

So get out of here with all that looks stuff. If YOU are the type of person who believes in that, I will tell you to just work on your fundamentals and cultivate your personal brand.

I read that advice months ago and took it to heart, worked at it. I am far from a good seducer and far from even having a good sex life. There’s a long way for me to go. But I’m beginning to build it.

I’m beginning to build a sex life that I dreamed about… for years… solely with cold approach pickup.

If you’re an incel, a virgin. If you have beliefs holding you back, a heretic.

Read this.

Accept that you know nothing. Scrap all of those beliefs in your head and toss them into the nearest trash can, just like pieces of no-good paper. As you do that, visualize the life you want to live, and set out to build it piece-by-piece.

You can join me as we try to do this together…

These are the thoughts flashing in my mind as HBMarina escorts me back into her room, giggling. I glide my hands from the outer lips of her pussy, to her hips, to her sparkling belly-button ring, to her bouncy tits, to the erect nipples, around and around her erect nipples, and onto her shoulders, eye-gazing. I push down.

“On your knees.”

“Yes, Master…”


She goes down, her hazel eyes looking up at me.

“I want you to worship every inch of my body. Kiss every inch of my body. If you do a good enough job like I know you can do, I’ll let you suck my cock… and maybe even let you taste my cum.”

Excitement. The rush of losing control. The thrill of only having pleasure on her mind. The fantasy of the submissive girl to please, intensified by a supreme lack of validation…

The bombshell is on all fours now. I feel that luxuriant, ombré hair sweep against my toes as she kisses my left foot, bubble butt raised high in the air. Amusing.

My baby girl.

She performs how I asked. Quite nicely like I knew she could. Back on her knees, bountiful tits staring at me just like her expectant eyes. Awaiting the verdict.

“You are allowed to lick my cock, but you are not allowed to put it in your mouth.”

Whether she is thrilled or disappointed, I do not know. My eyes roll back as I feel a moist vehicle excitedly going to town along the sides of my member. Channeling these percolating sensations up through my spine. Harnessing the sexuality in my brain. Trying to keep my mouth closed.

“Does it feel good for you? Please tell me! I just want you to feel sooooooo good…”

I look down upon the alluring sight. Viscerality takes over.

A handful of hair being pulled. Two fingers of my other hand sloshing around her mouth, her tongue struggling to swirl around them. I extract my fingers dripping with saliva and reach for my belt sprawled off to the side. Shove her face into my groin as I pull her arms behind her back and tie them up. Restrained.

Give her a look. A grin. She doesn’t know what’s next.

I do.

I pull her lips open and thrust my raging cock into her soft, wet mouth.

Sounds of release for both of us.

Perhaps if she wasn’t so focused on taking my dick down her throat, she’d notice that I’m almost in tears.

All those cold nights approaching on the streets. Feeling the brisk wind against my skin.

Remembering that feeling of trepidation in my gut as I did my first approaches, hardly able to move my mouth and feet.

How I scribbled that written statement in front of that jerk of a cop. How I went to the police station and spoke to the investigator. How he told me that he knew I was telling the truth, how it was all on video, how he gave me a fist bump and told me to be more careful.

The way my entire body shook when doing my first TRE session.

A visualization of cleansing HBWildflower’s bloodied face with my undershirt. Her outstretched arms as she adjusts my hairband.

Going to the STD clinic, taking all those rounds of antibiotics for the infection, then in the following weeks catching mono, lying motionless in bed.

Reading gambits, reading nextasf, reality-pacing, meta-pacing, feeling inspiration, writing words of my own.

The clenching grip of that addiction to porn, knowing that my future as a seducer was slowly slipping away.

Quitting that, teaching myself how to separate ejaculation from orgasm, stimulating myself only with the erotic images of my own fantasies.

And finally the swirling rolodex of profile pictures, of names, of words, of chat messages, of red alerts, of email notifications, of ellipses, of strangers on the Internet who have become so not strangers at all and have helped a random novice far more than anyone has helped me in real life... of skilledseducer.com.

“Good girl.”

===2/7, 9:00 AM – Post-Sex

HBMarina pushed herself, and my dick, a little too far. Well, part of it was me facefucking her. I did get a little too lively, admittedly. She began to gag and had to pull away just as I was about to cum.

Enter an almost comical scene when I’m hurriedly asking if she’s okay, she’s gagging, and I’m ejaculating all over her face.

I did feel really bad about this, but she didn't seem to mind much - instead, she cutely tried to catch my cum with her tongue. I made sure to give her lots of cuddles afterwards and made sure she knew how proud I was of her. While I frustratingly still couldn’t get inside of her again with a condom, we had our fill of satisfaction. And my dick had no trouble getting hard enough again to cum all over her tits as she pleaded and pleaded for a second dousing, so I’m functional… but will need to take every precaution in the future.

After that, I gave her my full attention for the rest of our time in bed. Doing my best to do a Major Mark, well, at least without ever having studied hypnosis... I whisper into her ear, being ever-so sensual with her body and pussy, bringing her eyes to a glaze.

It was a weird moment when her speech become slurred, and she had trouble describing how her pussy felt. But she eventually muttered how it never felt so tight before. And it was very tight. A clamp on my two fingers. I responded by fingering at her G-Spot, telling her all about the different parts of the vagina…

As the sun rose, we were still both obsessed with each other’s tongue but becoming quite tired. We decided that we’d save the hammocking trip for next time as the lake was a 30-minute drive… and it was just so nice lying in bed together. She became a little upset with me after finding out that I didn’t bring a hammock – was I just here for sex?

No, no… I thought her hammock would be big enough for both of us. This is the complete truth. I whip out my speaker, turn on my playlist, and trace around her lips as those concerns washed away… and we briefly stepped outside to bring in the new day, hand-in-hand. "Your pupils are so dilated when you look at me," she observes.

Yours, too.. what do you think that means about us?”

We were quite passionate overall. Almost the entire time from 3:00 AM to 9:00 AM, we were tongue-to-tongue.

I could tell that she was getting very sleepy, but I also knew that she wasn’t going to ask me to leave. There’s a momentary consideration of falling asleep with her in the dorm, though I see the nervous look on her face as we hear her roommates stirring in the adjacent rooms.

So I make the call to leave as she makes a pouty-face. I pack up my belongings, including my special white shirt that caught a splattering of blood. However, I can’t find my little cloth pouch of condoms. She actually asks me if I need any more. That devilish grin, and I say that, no, I’m good for now.

We tip-toe out of her room as I feel my jacket rub against my bare chest. What is it with me and bloody shirts and crazy girls and left-behind thongs and left-behind condoms…

Make-out in the hallway. Make-out in the elevator. Make-out at the exit.

And we’re back where we began.

On my long walk back to my apartment, I’m not sure how to feel. I feel accomplished yet slightly detached, and I do wish we would have gone to the lake. But she was so amazing and couldn’t keep her hands off of me, either. Another happy customer, I think. That’s what matters most.

I stop at the store and buy a birthday-cake flavored protein cookie, a vanilla bean protein shake, and a bagel. Walking and eating, walking and thinking.

The cold air tingles, enticing yet calming. Alert and sleepy. How I feel.

When the key turns into my door, I remember to send that wonderful post-sex text message of soreness.
2/7, 9:47 AM
Me:
got some food, now back at my place. had a great time with you, hope you’re not too sore :)
I wearily tear my clothes off, throw my bloody shirt in the washer, and step into the shower for a rinse. The aromatic smell of pussy is all over me. I notice teeth marks on my right hand. Charming. Good girl, pretty girl.

Drying away the droplets of water on my worn body, I fall into my own bed. Drifting away into an erotic slumber, the thoughts of which become more and more of a reality every single day.

I sleep into the night. Longer than I expected. I miss most of the Super Bowl, but I don’t care because spending time with HBMarina was much better. It was a terrible game anyway. Finally, I glance at my phone in the anticipation of messages from the girl who I think might be my first fuckbuddy and even first relationship.

Those green icons appear on my screen, but only one is as expected.
2/7, 4:18 PM
HBMarina:
Okay good. I felt bad not driving you home but I went to sleep like you told me:) I am pretty sore, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing :p

2/7, 5:27 PM

HBMarina: I know it may have seemed as though I liked you being so dominant with me, but you were so forceful and aggressive Lofty, like I was not expecting that
I can’t help but smile at the first message. “Like you told me.” I did tell her that she should relax and get some sleep. She didn’t have to drive me home, I said – I’d be okay walking. My baby :p

And my baby is sore. A job well done! This makes me so happy!

But that second text message… whaaaat?

A moment later, I get it. She recongizes how much she enjoyed me dominating her and is having trouble accepting it in reflection. She feels… slutty.

Oh no.

When I was being all Major Mark with her, I did mention how liberated – both sexually and mentally – I thought she was. Besides that, I didn’t do much else post-sex to prevent these feelings. In addition, I didn’t validate her body AT ALL – only her thoughts and actions. Gunwitch style, and it worked amazingly. She always kept seeking my validation, even pleading for it!

Although, I dominated her pret-ty heavily there. She loved every second. No objections, and she was the one who called me “Daddy” first. Thought that gave me the green-light to start getting kinky. It’s still important to note that it’s not like I was tying her up Shibari-style and whipping her or anything… just mental challenges of submission. I tried to find her fantasies and help her live them. An escape into dreamland with Lofty.

I also remembered a nextasf thread linked by Skills one time. In that link, a member named November referenced some dynamic called the “subdrop” where the submissive enters this depleted state after being dominated. It’s your responsibility to help her through it. Cuddle with her, talk with her, feed her chocolate.

Oh no.

We cuddled and talked, but it felt like it was part of the sex. The entire encounter was pretty much sex. Almost every minute. Additionally, we didn’t follow through on the plausible deniability of watching the sunrise at the lake.

Oh no.

The picture is coming together in my mind.

She probably was super excited to send that first text when she woke up. Then she reminisced, and maybe even talked to her friends about it. Maybe HBThorn. Imagine that conversation!

OMG I hung out with that Lofty guy you set me up with! He was super cool! Thank you!!!!! :)

Super glad to hear it! How was sunrise at the lake?

Oh, we actually didn’t go…

Really? So what did you do?

Well, we listened to music, and kissed a little bit...

Did you guys have sex? Was he good?

Haha he was so different! He had this seductive way of talking and was super dominant!

Dominant? Like Fifty Shades of Grey shit? Did he slap you? DO WE NEED TO CALL THE POLICE???!?!?!

Yeah I mean he did slap me, but it was gentle. And we really were into it…

THAT MOTHERFUCKER. WE WILL EXPOSE HIS MYSOGYNISTIC ASS ON TWITTER.


Above all, I felt terrible that I didn’t have that post-sex conversation with her to make sure that she knew how much I appreciated her. That it was all just fun kink. I felt like she would know that because I was way more sensual and loving than I was dominant, but maybe she wasn’t as sexually experienced as I thought?

Yeah, I was quickly seeing that I made mistakes post-sex. Feeling terrified that I made this wonderful girl feel slutty. That’s not what we want to do as seducers. That’s the opposite of what we want to do. I felt like I failed her.

As I see them, my mistakes include the following:
Notes On Potential Mistakes With HBMarina

-Didn’t follow through on the plausible deniability of going to the lake for the sunrise (made her feel slutty)
-Didn’t validate her much post-sex (“subdrop”)
-Left bag of condoms (makes her wonder intentions/why I brought them/why I had so many)
-Too kinky, too soon for my experience level!
-Had erection problems… and that nosebleed... odd lasting images...
At this moment is when I should have asked for help.

There are many people in the community who WANT to help me. For some reason, maybe because I wanted to prove that Big Bad Lofty Who Just Got His Dick Sucked could fix this, I compose an over-reacted text message without asking for any input. That was my worst mistake of all.
2/7, 9:10 PM
Me: baby i completely understand how maybe most guys aren’t like this and it could have been exciting but also a little overwhelming! as I said many times, YOUR happiness and comfort is what’s most important to me above everything else. let’s talk about this more. are you free right now?
Ooof. Probably could have just said something like:
oh im so sorry if i pushed you too far baby. i thought you were completely into it! next time i won’t do any of that and we’ll cuddle more. promise :)
Making it a non-issue. However, the text that I did send made it a MASSIVE ISSUE. That pretty much ended it. Screenshot that, put it in the sorority group chat, and Lofty gets roasted like a chicken dinner. “are you free right now?” What? Does he want more sex? Does this guy ONLY want sex? Motherfucking fuckboy.

I meant free to text or call… because it was actually concerning me. A lot. I couldn't even sleep that night.

Then everything BLOWS THE FUCK UP IN MY FACE. So much for Witch 15...
2/8, 2:18 PM
HBMarina: Well first off Lofty, I just gotta say, that we did agree on watching the sunrise and to go hammoking together. I was excited for it, up until you made it known that 1) you didn’t own one 2) that you just wanted to hook up. It was not my intention to hook up in the first place. But in addition to that, you were very very into it and I honestly wasn’t because of the way you spoke to me. I’m not a submissive person, and I should’ve made that known so we probably could’ve avoided this. But, you seemed to enjoy it and it made u happy, so I didn’t say anything really.
HBMarina: The whole “call me master” thing...like most men don’t tell me to do that. I did enjoy when you were being sensual with me, but not when you were aggressive and forceful. Usually when I’m with a man, they treat me like a princess. It just felt really fucked up. Especially since we did not agree to hook up beforehand
Oh fucking facepalm. I knew I’d never see her again at this point barring an otherworldly recovery, if I even would want to see her now. Also, fuck porn. And again, look at her first post-sex text to me. That says it all.
2/7, 4:18 PM
HBMarina: Okay good. I felt bad not driving you home but I went to sleep like you told me:) I am pretty sore, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing :p
She was happy like she was happy our entire time together...

Okay, yes. Sunrise and hammocking. Should’ve done that. Agreed and noted. I TOLD YOU THAT I THOUGHT YOUR HAMMOCK WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH FOR BOTH. OF. US.

Okay, didn’t want to hook up? Hey, this means that at least I did that blurring thing correctly! I think?

Come on, though, she maybe wanted it EVEN MORE THAN ME. She let me into her dorm room at 3:00 AM. She offered to drive over to my place alone. She wore matching red lace undergarments! Repeatedly begged to be fucked. Puh-lease.

Okay, “submissive person” thing. You called me “Daddy” first. I only said, “Call me Master” because I hate “Daddy.” Or else I wouldn’t have done it. You were completely into it. No objections, ever. Amplified it, even. The entire time. You literally bowed down and kissed my feet and thanked me for the opportunity. Come. On. I know you liked cumming when I was whispering romantic things in your ear, but you sure as hell liked it when I tied up your arms, too…

Still, I know that I should've talked to her post-sex about the kinky stuff. That’s all my fault. All on me. My responsibility. Was a mistake, yes.
Especially since we did not agree to hook up beforehand
I could tell she misworded that and didn't mean it quite in that way. But you know what. You were lustily devouring my tongue and cock. WE MADE OUT FOR SIX HOURS STRAIGHT.

That’s not cool to even tangentially bring up. Ever. Super hot and we had a great time. But not cool, HBMarina. Not cool.

Especially after that last comment, I knew it would be the end of our fling. I get the overall premise from her perspective. Absolutely. I made her feel slutty and made some mistakes. That’s my fault - I was too ambitious. But did she handle this the right way…?

I dunno. Anyway, I don’t care about anything other than addressing every single one of her points.
2/8, 4:19 PM
Me: wow. this hurts. i thought we had a beautiful, spontaneous time together after doing a lot of heartfelt things for each other with great chemistry.
Me: and if i only wanted to hook up… then why would i tell you NOT to come to my place alone? and spend hours making a playlist of cool music for us to listen to together? plus NEVER pushing to hang out, always encouraging you to have fun with your friends instead? we just looked at each other in that way, our foreheads gracefully touched, and we became very passionate!
Me: honest to God, i thought your hammock would be big enough for both of us. i said that and was clearly disappointed about it…
Me: about the kinky stuff now. yeah, i do like it but could absolutely live without it. but you only gave me positive feedback, so i thought you did too? i am no mindreader HBMarina! i would’ve backed off of that just like i completely backed off when your pussy became so sensitive! i would never, ever want to do anything the girl isn’t into. it’s not fun. i actually hate that.
Me: also being submissive at any time in the bedroom DOES NOT make you a submissive person. totally different things. it’s just fun kink between two open-minded people and nothing more!
Me: but do you know what i like even more than that? being sensual and doing my absolute best to give YOU the best experience possible.
Me: i said this many, many times and proved it by holding off on my own pleasure and giving you my full, wholehearted attention for hours. whispering romantic things in your ear, intimately calling you baby, super soft eye contact, lots of cute kisses, delicate little touches… actually treating you like a princess… isn’t all of that true?
Me: maybe being a mix of dominant, super romantic, and super sensual makes me different than most guys. i get it. maybe im just cursed or something. and i do wish we also talked more like we did about psychedelics and watched the sunrise. like we said, we both love doing intimate things like that.
Me: but just think back to when we were laying together hand-in-hand under those warm sheets, pupils so very dilated… it was such a special time. nothing can take that away from us, and for the rest of my life i will focus way more on communication because from stuff like this we only want really happy memories!
So yeah, I wrote a ton. Like I said, I know I’ll never see her again. It doesn’t matter except for making us both feel better. The vibe of her next text does improve.
2/8, 4:41 PM
HBMarina: We should’ve communicated more about the hammoking situation bc we could’ve made alternate plans yanno. I know it was both of us engaging with one another when we first started kissing and touching one another. We were getting intimate pretty quickly, but yes, I do wish we talked more and got to know one another before trying to have sex or do other things. I didn’t know that you spent a long time on a nice playlist for us. Thank you for doing that.
HBMarina: I think what threw me off the most was the whole dominance/submissiveness, and all of your commentary while we were doing stuff. It was a turn on at points, but I like there to be equal energy between me and the person I’m getting intimate with. I don’t like to feel degraded, and I know you said that’s just your kink and that being submissive in bed doesn’t mean I’m submissive in real life, but I take words in very deeply and internalize them. I loved looking into your eyes and breathing together a lot. The situation was just simply something I had never anticipated or have experienced before, so it was a lot to take in
Alright. I think I get it. She feels a little slutty in reflection because I guess she tried a lot of new things that she fantasized about. Since I didn't raise her state post-sex, and even though she's a highly intelligent person, she became susceptible to rationalizing those emotions in false ways. Trying to associate them with something.

Yeah, I wish I dialed it back a bit. But again, she was super into ALL of it and only advanced the kinky stuff forward. I probably wasn't ready for a lot of that, either, with my inexperience. Too ambitious, Lofty. And I don't know how excited I can be to get kinky after that. It surely dampens my excitement about it. Also, fuck porn.

She responded pretty much right away here, which I didn’t notice and should have kept that going to get out all of the feels right there. Might as well see if this could get this fully recovered, although it is clearly doubtful. I try to do one of those vulnerability texting things.
2/9, 12:30 AM
Me: sorry for the delayed response. but yes I completely understand and agree with all of your points. our chemistry and vibe was DEFINITELY there but our communication was a little off, especially on my end. i feel horrible that we didn’t spend the same time getting to know each other’s minds like we got to know each other’s bodies. sorry about that part, for real! personally it has been a punch to the gut because i take a lot of pride in my intimacy with a woman. i hope you saw that. i thought you were happy while we were together and even when sending your first text later in the day. otherwise i would’ve addressed all of this immediately!
Me: like imagine you’re me and you think that you had an amazing experience with an exciting, thoughtful girl who was smiling and playful the entire time. an extremely unique girl who has very deep thoughts and is a sensational lover. you warmly drift off into thinking how much fun you had and there’s that excitement of a new, special bond... and suddenly it’s like, “wait... what? did i push her too much?”
Me: but you know what HBMarina? these are actually really easy fixes. if we were to ever see each other again, we just talk more. just chill more. maybe even try to keep our hands off of each other for a bit, even though that might be a little difficult :)
A little cringe. Actually, a lot cringe. Yeah, messed that up.
2/9, 2:49 AM
HBMarina: Thank you for listening and for internalizing how I felt. I can understand completely how you can pleasure women, I rlly do. I like how you notice the little details about me and of the experience, and there were rlly sweet parts about the experience. So don’t be too hard on yourself, but I appreciate you apologizing. And honestly, life is a learning curve, so what I mean is that there’s a positive side to this situation. You learned that not everybody’s kinky the way that you are, everyone’s sexual in their own ways, and you should talk about it before you pursue a girl. I learned that I’m not into being super dominant/submissive in bed.
Reasonably posed but fundamentally... a little irritating.

I hate that I even made a girl view me this way. At this point, I almost wished that it never happened.

Definitely should’ve just ended this conversation on my terms now, but I didn’t.
2/9, 5:46 AM
Me: yes exactly! now we learn from it and move on because that’s what we both want to do. keeping all the good things in mind too. and please don’t think that im all about kink. like babe, i believe that you’re the one who called me daddy first haha
Me: screw the kink. i can easily go without it. remember, the majority of the time we were just passionately kissing and caressing. that’s what i can’t go without. like wow, could you go without that… okay, i have a very important question for you now. ready?

2/9, 4:02 PM
HBMarina: That’s one of my favorite things too. The soft kisses and touching all over the body. I love it. What’s your question?
Me: are your lips also still tingling from all the loving energy we shared?
Yikes... I was trying to work it back to her agreeing with this, so we'd set up a more casual meet-up and clarify things more because I was still quite bothered by it. Should've just said forget about it and wished her well.

Aaaaaand that’s all she wrote with HBMarina. I’m glad that we’re good in the end, but I can't help but feel disappointed and regretful about the way it ended.

Overall, that entire text conversation could’ve been bypassed. We’d see each other again. Talk a little. Bang. No issue.

I made it a big problem, and lost her because of it. I fell into her frame and dug a deep hole. Allowed her to probably talk to her friends, giving her tons of negative feedback.

It’s just a shame. I know I made some mistakes post-sex, and if I never saw her again, I’d completely understand and be fine with that.

The worst part is losing that feeling of what she said to me. Things like, as HBWildflower put it, I feel like you’ll be the guy that I’ll think back on and never forget…

With every other girl I fuck, I promise she will feel that way not only during sex but afterwards, too.

===2/15, 12:27 PM – Reflection #2

Life is life.

The world is the world.

Good things happen, and bad things happen.

But in your life, does the good outweigh the bad?

Can this scale be tilted further to the side that YOU want?

I think so.

Humans have agency. Choice. Action.

I worked hard for awesome sex with a hot girl. A couple lay reports now. My life has been changed, even though I still have a long way to go. I’m way better than I was in August. I understand things more, and I have so many crazy zany insane amazing erotic lovely experiences packed into a few months.

It feels really cool to say this.

So what that I lost a girl post-sex. You know what, I think she’ll be lying in bed one day with that vibrator she told me about. Her hands will drift down, and her thoughts, well, maybe, just maybe, they won’t be of Chode #17… but they’ll be of me

I understand that societal pressures contributed to her feeling slutty after we had so much fun together. It was my responsibility to alleviate her from that, and I didn’t. I do feel like I failed her in a way. I'll be better next time and every time afterwards.

Now that the passionate heat and eventful aftermath has sailed away. Only happy memories remain. That’s why, right now, I was finally able to write this report instead of lying in my bed… thinking about it… thinking about her…

After My Little Wildflower, Bacchus told me that scarcity creates an illusory sense of value. Remember there will always be another lay.

I knew he was right, of course, but it was hard to truly believe it at the time… for me. Is it really possible that I, Lofty, can always have another lay?

Yep.

I believe it now.

if you don't already, you should believe this about yourself, too.
 
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What a rollercoaster of a read man, as always! Yeah, sounds like she did enjoy it but the post sex management made her reevaluate the situation (sounds similar to what I'm going through right now). I'm really impressed you have the confidence to be so dominant in bed considering this is what, the second girl you've slept with? Doing a lot of the stuff you are doing still feels so unnatural to me (especially the dirty talk and ordering around). Good that you're pushing the boundaries so that later on you can better calibrate to the girl you are with.

Those ED issues - oh man that is familiar. Don't really have any suggestions for this one as I'm having issues with the same thing right now.
 
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Felt you with the ED issues, thankfully you got it back up in time and it didn't die out completely.. just keep banging chicks and it will eventually work itself out. Kinda sad to see this report end that way tho..

Sometimes it's better for some drama shit to be said in person rather than over text, imagine this, up and personal this whole stupid misunderstanding would've been solved and you'd be touchy touchy kissy kissy with her again..

See if you can get her to meet again, mention the sunrise hammocking plans perhaps, tell her you really wanted to spend time with her and getting to know her better and it would suck if this was to never happen over a misunderstanding.. in bed.

I think you panicked after her drama post-lay text and dropped your earlier texting tactic of pre-planning it out and visualizing a response from her point of view, happens to all of us.

I don't have the experience really to tell you how to solve this out, hopefully the bigger guys can throw in their advice.


Looking forward to the next LR with this chick
 
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Great job with this girl, @Lofty.

You're doing awesome!

Don't take her reaction at the end too hard. You have some things to adjust here, but overall you did great.

This is a high sex drive, high openness girl. You've got a number of clues to that:

  • How keen the friend was to hook her up with you (usually a sign the friend knows this is a girl who loves a fresh supply of men)
  • How into you the girl was as soon as you were messaging (high drive / high openness girls tend to be extremely excitable with novel men)
  • Her setting things up to be in a hammock with you alone at sunrise or sunset right off the bat (and actually pushing for sunset, presumably so she'd get a full night with you)
  • It being on from the moment you met up with her
  • Her zero resistance to you at any point once you met up
  • Her matter-of-fact breakdown to you after the fact about things she disliked plus advice for future lovers
  • The fact that she did not get remotely hooked after a reasonably passionate night, and instead dismissed you with an "Erm, I dunno if I'm feeling it really" (and this after telling you the two of you would be spending a lot of time together in the future)

You're going to tend to meet a lot of girls like this when you're starting out, because a.) you'll miss a lot of the subtler signs from softer / more reserved girls at first, and b.) these girls simply make the road to sex a lot easier to drive down and don't give you the kinds of obstacles that will sabotage you when you're less experienced. They're also in general more receptive to cold approach (in this case, it was a receptive friend who then pointed you toward her).

Kink / master-slave / BDSM stuff is usually best saved for after you've had a few sessions with a girl and she is more comfortable with you.

If you get too kinky the first night, it can make a girl feel like you're there for the kink, instead of there for her.

This was an issue I recall @Hector Papi Castillo running into a lot at first: he'd go really hardcore with girls the first time, they'd be way into it, then they'd get hit with a serious case of buyer's remorse after. Once he began to tone it down the first few nights with a girl his retention went way up.

The ED problems will go away as you gain more experience. It's just being in your head, having to consciously do too much with the seduction, that is pulling you out of it. As it becomes more automatic, you'll be running increasingly on autopilot, which frees you up to really enjoy the woman and get way into it. Not watching porn is going to help a lot too.

When you reached this response in the text conversation, you likely could've still turned things around:

HBMarina: We should’ve communicated more about the hammoking situation bc we could’ve made alternate plans yanno. I know it was both of us engaging with one another when we first started kissing and touching one another. We were getting intimate pretty quickly, but yes, I do wish we talked more and got to know one another before trying to have sex or do other things. I didn’t know that you spent a long time on a nice playlist for us. Thank you for doing that.
HBMarina: I think what threw me off the most was the whole dominance/submissiveness, and all of your commentary while we were doing stuff. It was a turn on at points, but I like there to be equal energy between me and the person I’m getting intimate with. I don’t like to feel degraded, and I know you said that’s just your kink and that being submissive in bed doesn’t mean I’m submissive in real life, but I take words in very deeply and internalize them. I loved looking into your eyes and breathing together a lot. The situation was just simply something I had never anticipated or have experienced before, so it was a lot to take in

The response here is just:

All right, communication fail on our parts there. Believe it or not I dialed up the dominance after you called me "Daddy." "Daddy? Oh, I see how she likes it. All right, guess I'd better be Daddy in that case." lol Let me tell you, 100%, there was NO POINT at any point when I viewed you as anything less than a totally amazing person I was crazy about getting to know. I want you feeling nothing but good feelings, and want to totally erase any sense of any kind of degradation. So you tell me what you want to do next. If you want to meet up and just talk, we can do that. Or if you want to meet up and we'll just take it one slow step at a time, let's do that. What's next? What will make YOU feel best for us to do?

If you can, call her.

If not, a long message. But calling is better.

Note the difference between this message versus how you responded here was this message is totally focused on her feelings with a bit on clarifying your intent, plus inviting her to feel more in control of the next response, without apologizing or any kind of finality.

Meanwhile your message was apologies, plus talking about yourself, plus some stuff about the communication/connection (which it's best not to discuss when the girl is feeling dissociated from you -- it just reinforces how disconnected she feels: "Oh, he's talking about connection... well I don't feel connected to him at all right now"), plus a very dry "well it's an easy fix IF we ever meet again" like how you'd talk to a business partner you don't really care to see.

(I mean, maybe you didn't care to see this girl again... if so and you just wanted a gentle wind down, then I think you handled okay)

Just keep in mind, she is a woman.

She needs emotional reassurance.

She needs to feel taken care of, and cherished.

The ultimate need for every woman is to feel that a man cherishes her.

Dominance and degradation are only good feelings when they're reinforced by feelings of being cherished. You were able to do that in the moment with her with eye contact and closeness, but once you were gone that wasn't there, and she had nothing else to remember as you having cherished her, and felt tricked/degraded/used.

The followup conversation needs to be about reassuring her that she was not in anyway degraded, that she is in fact cherished, and that to prove to her how cherished she is, the next time you meet up the meet will be totally focused on her and making her feel cherished.

(and of course once you do meet up again, and she is feeling cherished, she is going to want your cock in her with all speed, once again)

If you still wanted to follow up with her, I might go somewhere with something cool she might like, take a quick video of me walking there, while talking to her and saying something like "Hey Marina, you know what, I was thinking about the other night and I can't help feeling bad you came away with some sour feelings, and how I caused that. I had such huge respect for you and think you're such an amazing, awesome, and fantastic woman. Man, when you whispered to me at one point about us spending a lot more time together in the future, I didn't let it on at the moment because I'm a guy and you're not supposed to get excited about that sort of stuff, but I was like 'Fuck yes! This girl is so great!' Anyway, you never know where something is going to go with someone, and that's totally on me for jumping the gun too much and doing things with you we didn't discuss first and you weren't ready for. I hate feeling like I ruined something incredible, because you really are such a standout gal, but even if I don't hear back from you, let me just tell you this: I have the most enormous respect for you, I had such a great time knowing you, and I hope you find and I know you will someone who treats you 100% the way you want to be treated."

That last line should be a bit sad, as if you are letting go someone you did not want to let go of, but you really wish the best for. Almost let yourself tear up a bit when you say it. She should feel you not wanting to let her go, but accepting that you are. "If you love something, let it go; if it's truly yours, it will come back" --> that kind of framing. She should feel that.

Then just get it in your head that if she does contact you and does want to meet up, your approach is going to be:

  • Constantly checking with her, just like you would check with a small child whom you played a game with too roughly and whose feelings you hurt: "Are you sure this is okay? All right, I just wanted to be sure here"

  • Making her feel like she has more say in the direction of things: "We can just meet up and talk, and everything will go at your pace. No pressure. It'd be nice to just talk with you." Again, emotion here: you're sad to have lost her. You'd be happy just to spend a little time with her again

  • When you meet up with her, still be your usual sexy self, but create a feeling as if you're holding it back a bit: you're sexy, but restrained. You're trying to stop your sexiness from overwhelming her

  • Anything she proposes that escalates things, it's some variation from you of "I would love to. But are you sure?"

  • If you proceed to sex again, it's "All right, you tell me how far you want to go, and I'll be gentle and not go farther than that." Very soft, considerate, visibly holding back your power and visibly only giving her as much of it as she can take. She should feel all this

The whole frame is you are a powerful man who was a bit clumsy and too powerful with his power and accidentally hurt this delicate girl.

That actually is what happened here to large extent, and it's also the most helpful frame you can adopt with her in this situation -- once she is seeing you that way, as a powerful man who accidentally hurt her because he was being too powerful, but who cares about her enough to restrain his power a bit, she is going to want all that power pouring back into her again.

Anyway, well done with her, Lofty.

You're making great progress.

Whether you follow up with this girl or get this girl again or not, you're doing it, and looking better and better as you do so.

(and all the sex talk and framing you're doing is going to get a lot smoother as you do it, and a lot more calibrated too -- it's great you're getting started on it so young. You're going to be a natural with this stuff in a couple of years if you stay at it)

Chase
 

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Thank you for the amazing feedback, @Chase! Your knack of making hazy situations so amazingly clear is very much appreciated.

I read each of your words until I had them tattooed into my brain. Including those of this timely article as well.

Truthfully, it was indeed a bit difficult to defog my mind from the mistakes here. Once I understood where exactly things skid off-course, those thoughts gnawed at me even though I know they shouldn't have. It just really bothered me that I failed in giving her the type of experience that I wanted to give - a beautifully erotic memory for both of us.

In the end, I skewed towards irresponsibly. That just won’t do. I’ll be better in the future with your advice.

Anyway, I did not intend on contacting this girl again. Though, I mulled it over for a couple days and reasoned, “Well, Chase gave this awesome suggestion. Why not give it a try?”

So I did. I left her the emotive message through a voicemail. I fully understand how a video message would have been more effective, and I’ll definitely use it in the future, but I was a little wary of privacy concerns in this case. Probably incessantly. I digress.

That message was left on Thursday.

Unfortunately… no reply.

In the end, it’s likely that my mistakes left more of an emotional impact not on her but on me. I don’t doubt that she’s since had a lay or two of her own and is no longer concerned about the fantasies we lived that night. At the least, I’m glad that I was able to shoulder a lot of that responsibility off of her.

I’d guess it’s healthier for her to view that gleeful yet rushed submission to me in this way. As a result of my clumsy man enforcement rather than her own free will.

Like I said, the sad idea of her backtracking on a nice night did induce a temporary sense of discouragement despite my attempts to work through it.

But I’ve slapped myself out of the funk. And remembered that it’s all part of the journey. Can’t be a guru from Day 1.

I appreciate how much there is to learn from here. I’ll be taking your guidance with me, and I guarantee that my future sex sessions will be much more responsible and conducive to the feelings we want to give.

Memories to be forever cherished.

Thanks again, Chase.
 

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This was riveting to read. I can't get over the dedication to help her not feel slutty afterward. WOW. That's service.

I am a woman (so haha oops why am I here?) Your insight is profound. I think I can add a little, in service of your noble mission...

So, let's go inside the mind of a woman whose mind has just been absolutely shattered with pleasure at the hands, etc. of a new lover. She's in a real catch-22 situation. As you know, she's at risk of feeling slutty, but that's later. Question is, does she ride the afterglow, which could be 20 minutes of unutterable whole-body waves of bliss*, OR, does she interrupt that to be polite/nice/fair, and a good and satisfying lover who makes sure he comes, too?

(*I don't know how common or rare this is, but it's a thing)

Meanwhile, he's concocting some porn-inspired grand finale, to "make the most" of the opportunity ... From her point of view, it's hard to refuse. It's not a moment of clarity or clear communication about what she is or isn't up for. It's easier to go along with what she "owes" him and rationalize later that he was being selfish. She's going to reciprocate and help him come in any ridiculous way he wants, but she will 100% resent it later. (and feel slutty)

**be very wary of a woman's offers to suck you off at this point. She's being polite.
Stay in control (she doesn't get to decide what's next - especially if it's a move to disarm/weaken you and take your seed). **

Protect her afterglow. Only allow her near it when her unbridled cocklust has returned. and it WILL - abundance mentality. Don't get trapped thinking you'll never have this chance again.

If you want, come on her feet or chest. Don't let your needs be a problem to her. Or, tell her you choose to stay ever ready rather than come. (She'll save your number forever!)


I think you would have had her on a string if not for the facefucking.


(I think you were thisclose to becoming a Preferred booty call Provider for the sorority, an institution for which I have a whole new respect.)

I think you would have gotten by with all of it (very well played, btw). The whole problem is with the end. That's the part that wasn't discussed beforehand. I just doubt there's enough psychological after care in the world to recover from that.

Another slant on it: you became an untrustworthy master. You did so well to stop her from drunk driving and going bareback (totally tests btw: can I trust you? Can I let myself go?), but the true master is master of himself (especially in the first encounters)

Also: behold the Wisdom of the Cock! It tried to tell you! It wasn't a performance problem, it tried to give you a message when you were getting focused on yourself and the porn scene ending. Clear as day, it was telling you, time to transition, kiss, cuddle, go find that hammock & sunrise... (I get the impression your own orgasm is not why you're doing this, it's a much deeper mission, right?)

Respect!

Better to leave her longing for a little bit more... then she'll chase you, having not completed her conquest.

Benefits of not coming, if you want to see her again:

-it's way less possible for her to feel used. she can't write off everything that came before as a trick for you to get Yours.

-don't be the discarded/eaten male spider. Biologically, she has no more need of you after you share your genetic material. If she keeps you around, her MO is to henpeck you into a good father.

--treasure your seed and she will lust after it. Treasure it like you would have pre-birth control, or like you would have conserved energy as a hunter-gatherer. I'm not so sure our neurobiology has had time to adapt past that. Spiller = not high value

-Emotionally, a woman acutely feels the disconnection and weakening of your vibe. If it was possible to de-sluttify the facefucking at all, there's no way you could be on top of it enough after a double depletion. I'm not surprised she demanded the second one, to end on a better note, but note how she was in the driver's seat at that point.


I hope this has been friendly/helpful. Best wishes with your goal of delighting womankind! It's really encouraging to see your courage to leave the porn mindfuck behind and do some real good for real women!
 

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Hey @Sapphophire,

Thanks for reading! I’m super glad you enjoyed it.

It warms my heart to see a woman understand that I wasn’t trying to be selfish here and really do care about this girl and all the girls that I’m with. This is a BIG thing for me.

Your words have been well-noted. It’s true that I considered her eagerness to do anything as her own fantasies rather than an attempt to pleasure me. Perhaps there was ego there on my part. Thinking that badboy seducer Lofty could instantly unleash her bottled-up dreams of submission. It takes care and experience to properly do these things, much of which I’m still trying to gain. Otherwise I’ve learned how things can get messy like they did here.

And it’s also true that she really wanted me to cum. Thinking back, she especially wanted it inside of her pussy. Could be why she was going so crazy when riding my dick – trying to make me cum as opposed to pleasuring herself like I originally thought. And when I kept holding off on my ejaculation, she became increasingly desperate do to whatever it took. This fits snugly with your reasoning.

Noted about the afterglow. I like this term, too. A lot. It’s something I’ll keep in mind and maybe even incorporate into my game somehow.

Protect it, eh?

Can do.

Hey, cumming on her feet actually seems kinda dominant. Like, “You want this cum in your pussy? In your mouth? NO. YOU WILL TAKE IT ON YOUR FEET AND LIKE IT.”

But yeah, you are absolutely right in that I just didn’t take care of her well enough. She loved being my good little sensual girl, but these frames were understandably tough to handle post-lay for her. As it has been explained to me, the submissive fantasy – while fun for her – isn’t very socially acceptable for many people. Leaving this unaccounted for after I facefucked her was a massive faux pas on my part. It’s been clarified a lot on this thread, sigh.

So yeah, I was a bad Master. Next time, though, I will be a FANTASTIC Master. I will cuddle with her, hold her, and feed her ruby chocolate.

Snuggling and being together for at least 12 hours post-lay to negate the subdrop phenomenon.

Deeper mission – yes, true. Deep indeed.

About cumming less now. Really good points. You can say that I’m still a young buck on the circuit, so I still get extreme novelty from having a girl excitedly begging for my cum and swallowing it.

So I lived it up a little… in this lay and in the next.

But in the future, I would indeed like to cum less.

And if you’re a guy reading this, or even a girl who wants her guy to be able to satisfy her more…

Read this.

There is a way to separate orgasm from ejaculation.

Yes, it’s true.

IT’S POSSIBLE.

Seducers here have done it. I’ve been working on it and can do it while masturbating.

During sex is definitely the next step. Next-level teasing, they say.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing your insights with me, Sapphophire! Your advice is with me. Now, hopefully I can do more good for women!

Guess the women and I just have to work out the details.
 
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@Lofty, I'm totally thrilled you're stepping up as Protector of the Afterglow! Definitely fun to imagine where your quest will take you.

I'm telling you there are entire unexplored oceans of female pleasure that we don't have vocabulary for or even know to look for.

Thanks for listening!

Sometimes I feel it's disappearing like the coral reefs and rainforest, except there's no one even aware to fight for it. If I've helped one young buck see this, I'm so happy about that!

I love the thought of your women getting to hear something like, "No, relax. I can see you're rocking pretty hard right now. I want you to fully experience it."

The feet - nice! yes!

I wonder if after-psychology for the sub has to do with vulnerability shock. Like, "holy shit, I just put my entire safety and dignity in the hands of this person I don't even know at ALL."

It feels like a dangerous person hacked her defenses, a security breach... suddenly the things that fit in the moment feel too invasive, too far... in later review it feels like too much danger. ANYTHING could have happened. She instinctively recoils away from you like she touched a hot stove.

She has to reconcile whether she's insane for having given up all her rights to you. (Hence her later saying "I'm not really a submissive person." i.e. "That wasn't me. I'm not insane!")

Hence the snuggles n chocolate: to show that trusting you was actually good judgement: you're tender, considerate, trustworthy.

A safeword helps her tell herself later it wasn't *that* dangerous because she could have ejected. Not that you should trust her to use it, for the reasons in my other post.

That's my take - seems like a reaction to the vulnerability and danger.

I have to be blunt for a second: the surprise cock-in-mouth was a dicey move. You didn't prepare her for that. As her lawyerly friends would point out, you need fresh consent each time, no matter what she liked earlier in the evening. Everyone's loaded for bear, so there can be no fast moves. 'no hellos and no surprises'.

So that's a hard one for her to process later. "Yikes, technically a reportable offense happened to me. But I chose to play in the deep end. But why the hell did I choose that?! Must be that non-hammock-bringing charlatan tricked me!" Tragically, a golden memory is tarnished.

I forget whether @Chase called that out. I hope staying in the clear with consent is a part of how you help each other.

it must be so hard to be both a thrilling master and consensual (while holding yourself together with the novelty, zonkers) but in so many ways you *did* rock at this. you clearly do have the creativity and finesse.

I loved how you didn't take the 3am invite for granted as an instant lay, but you brought your full game and diligently did the set up.

Also putting her hands on your belt, so hot.
(and elegantly erases any doubt that she was panting for it!)

It's inspiring how much advance work you must have put in to be ready for when the numbers turned into lays.

Agreed - learning orgasm without ejaculation is going to be killer for you.

And so interesting, yes, I'm thinking a girl's talk of how she wants you to come could (often? usually?) be more black widow than an authentic part of her fantasies.

When I'm starting to get down about the sheer quantity of fake orgasms on video out there, and how that sabotages all of us from real pleasure, I'll feel a little better knowing you're out there as a force for good. Best wishes!
 
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Update for posterity:

I almost turned it around with this girl!

Back in March, HBMarina reached out over text. She was fighting with herself over some new guy.

Of course, I still had some recovering to do. And I still made texting mistakes, but overall, we ended up on really good terms!

She even noted her appreciation for how I transformed her into a "sensual lover" and that our time together became a positive pivot for her sexual growth. Even though I came a couple texts short from seeing her again, hearing that was more than enough for me to forever view our Cold Weather Sunrise with a big, happy smile. Much of that is due to the wizardly advice that was provided to me, and I'm very grateful for this.

Growing from this lay taught me so, so much. I think without the lessons learned here, my subsequent lays and crazy progress that I felt in March and April would have been just a pipedream. HBMarina is a wonderfully great girl to be with, but her true gift to me was how she opened so many new doors in so many unexpected ways.

Anyway, here’s how the texting went if you’re curious (picking up about three weeks after I left a voicemail):
3/16, 9:17 PM
HBMarina:
I didn’t think I was going to respond to your message, and I know it’s been quite a while since we last spoke, but I appreciate how well you communicate your thoughts and feelings.

11:10 PM
Me:
it’s true that you changed me for the better. i’d like to show you but it’s not up to me. what happens next... it’s up to you!


3/18, 1:30 AM
Me:
*picture of my hammock*
Me: hoping to relax with my hammock once this crazy weather clears up. you know any good spots??

1:41 AM
HBMarina:
Ofc I do.
HBMarina: [favorite lake that we were going to hammock at]

1:45 AM
Me:
omg wow that’s like the best idea ever!! do you know anyone who might want to come with me??


3/20, 1:09 PM
Me: HBMarina, i feel like you’re battling with yourself over something and i completely get it. if there’s something holding you back, you can always talk through it with me :)

1:22 PM
HBMarina: You’re right. I’m talking to someone right now, and have been for about a month now. That’s what I’m batting with myself over.

2:53 PM
Me: can i call you?


3/20, 2:20 AM
Me: so i did some research. apparently we want the cloud cover to be 30-70% for a magnificent sunrise. today will be 44% so it’s perfect. only thing is that i need a ride to [lake]. will you help me out?

3/21, 7:57 AM
Me: *a time-lapse I made of the sunrise from a pretty park*
Me: did a time-lapse of the sunrise today and it honestly came out kinda horrible but still kinda pretty *heart-eyes emoji*
Me: anyway good morning *sun emoji*

12:12 PM
HBMarina: Good morning
HBMarina: That time lapse is very pretty:) love how you did that!


3/22, 8:11 AM
Me: *pretty picture of the sunrise*
Me: sunrise pic from my walk earlier. new day, new opportunities :)
Me: and good morning HBMarina *sun emoji*

10:50 AM
HBMarina: Beautiful pic!! Good morning to you too
Me: have you ever been to this pretty park? it’s in [place]

12:54 PM
HBMarina: I don’t believe I have. Is that your “secret spot” you like going to?

2:01 PM
Me: good guess - it’s one of them! and ohhhh an adventurer like yourself must check it out. you can free your mind there on a sunny day or starry night *blushing emoji*
Me: we can even explore it together if you’d like. are you feeling spontaneous on this beautiful springtime day?

*Her text comes literally as I press send – this was a big turn. My last message was rushed.*

HBMarina: That’s one thing I miss about being in the countryside. The stars are so hidden by the lights on campus, but if you drive about 30 minutes away, they’re so bright and cover the entire sky
HBMarina: Well I’m done with my classes for today, but I’ve got a lot to catch up on with homework. I was also given two books by buddist monks on campus that I’m reading right now. If you’re on campus you should definitely get a few. They’re standing by [place]

*The “buddhist monks” she refers to are really more-or-less cultists that keep getting kicked off campus, but I play along because she’s excited*


Me: yes i completely get what you mean about escaping from the bright lights! life is so hectic and people forget how we need a break sometimes
Me: and oh yeah, those guys are super cool - thanks for the tip! i just picked up a book from them. i’m big into Eastern teachings - that’s where i learned a lot of the sensual breathing i did with you haha (she “loves” this message)
Me: okay, damn you reminded me that i actually have some homework as well. you want to have a super productive work session together?? we can hold each other accountable :)
HBMarina: I think I’m going to stay here to finish up my homework, and my sorority chapter meeting is at 5:00
HBMarina: You definitely taught me something new about myself when we were together. I never thought of myself as a “sensual lover” until I experienced your way of doing things. I love the delicate touches now. It literally gives me chills haha

*WOW BIG OPPORTUNITY*

Me: i love that you feel like this. and that was was only the beginning of the pleasure you can reach with sensuality. problem i hear is that most guys can’t or won’t be delicate and sensual to that degree though. doesn’t make sense to me because that’s what i cherish the most *heart-eyes emoji*

*She doesn’t respond for a while, and I somewhat rashly decide to text again out of sheer horniness and for the fact that I'm trying to get laid tonight whether with her or another girl*


4:19 PM
Me: haha silly me, i didn’t answer your first text. completely understand how it would’ve been too small of a window anyway. so would you like to go for a walk after your homework and sorority meeting? it’s sooo pretty out and i feel like this beautiful energy just can’t be wasted, especially as it’s supposed to rain all week

6:45 PM
HBMarina: Aw man :( I didn’t know it’d rain all week
HBMarina: Well, most men I’ve experienced aren’t like that, so were definitely the most sensual man I’ve ever experienced!


3/26, 8:07 PM
Me:
i am so happy that you found a guy! you seem like the type of woman to really thrive off personal connection, so it makes me super excited to know that your life is full of amazement and adventure :)

11:32 PM
HBMarina: You too Lofty
HBMarina: How are you tonight?
Me: a little bored rn but ready to make something spontaneous happen haha. you?
 

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Update for posterity:

I almost turned it around with this girl!

Back in March, HBMarina reached out over text. She was fighting with herself over some new guy.

Of course, I still had some recovering to do. And I still made texting mistakes, but overall, we ended up on really good terms!

She even noted her appreciation for how I transformed her into a "sensual lover" and that our time together became a positive pivot for her sexual growth. Even though I came a couple texts short from seeing her again, hearing that was more than enough for me to forever view our Cold Weather Sunrise with a big, happy smile. Much of that is due to the wizardly advice that was provided to me, and I'm very grateful for this.

Growing from this lay taught me so, so much. I think without the lessons learned here, my subsequent lays and crazy progress that I felt in March and April would have been just a pipedream. HBMarina is a wonderfully great girl to be with, but her true gift to me was how she opened so many new doors in so many unexpected ways.

Anyway, here’s how the texting went if you’re curious (picking up about three weeks after I left a voicemail):
3/16, 9:17 PM
HBMarina:
I didn’t think I was going to respond to your message, and I know it’s been quite a while since we last spoke, but I appreciate how well you communicate your thoughts and feelings.

11:10 PM
Me:
it’s true that you changed me for the better. i’d like to show you but it’s not up to me. what happens next... it’s up to you!


3/18, 1:30 AM
Me:
*picture of my hammock*
Me: hoping to relax with my hammock once this crazy weather clears up. you know any good spots??

1:41 AM
HBMarina:
Ofc I do.
HBMarina: [favorite lake that we were going to hammock at]

1:45 AM
Me:
omg wow that’s like the best idea ever!! do you know anyone who might want to come with me??


3/20, 1:09 PM
Me: HBMarina, i feel like you’re battling with yourself over something and i completely get it. if there’s something holding you back, you can always talk through it with me :)

1:22 PM
HBMarina: You’re right. I’m talking to someone right now, and have been for about a month now. That’s what I’m batting with myself over.

2:53 PM
Me: can i call you?


3/20, 2:20 AM
Me: so i did some research. apparently we want the cloud cover to be 30-70% for a magnificent sunrise. today will be 44% so it’s perfect. only thing is that i need a ride to [lake]. will you help me out?

3/21, 7:57 AM
Me: *a time-lapse I made of the sunrise from a pretty park*
Me: did a time-lapse of the sunrise today and it honestly came out kinda horrible but still kinda pretty *heart-eyes emoji*
Me: anyway good morning *sun emoji*

12:12 PM
HBMarina: Good morning
HBMarina: That time lapse is very pretty:) love how you did that!


3/22, 8:11 AM
Me: *pretty picture of the sunrise*
Me: sunrise pic from my walk earlier. new day, new opportunities :)
Me: and good morning HBMarina *sun emoji*

10:50 AM
HBMarina: Beautiful pic!! Good morning to you too
Me: have you ever been to this pretty park? it’s in [place]

12:54 PM
HBMarina: I don’t believe I have. Is that your “secret spot” you like going to?

2:01 PM
Me: good guess - it’s one of them! and ohhhh an adventurer like yourself must check it out. you can free your mind there on a sunny day or starry night *blushing emoji*
Me: we can even explore it together if you’d like. are you feeling spontaneous on this beautiful springtime day?

*Her text comes literally as I press send – this was a big turn. My last message was rushed.*

HBMarina: That’s one thing I miss about being in the countryside. The stars are so hidden by the lights on campus, but if you drive about 30 minutes away, they’re so bright and cover the entire sky
HBMarina: Well I’m done with my classes for today, but I’ve got a lot to catch up on with homework. I was also given two books by buddist monks on campus that I’m reading right now. If you’re on campus you should definitely get a few. They’re standing by [place]

*The “buddhist monks” she refers to are really more-or-less cultists that keep getting kicked off campus, but I play along because she’s excited*


Me: yes i completely get what you mean about escaping from the bright lights! life is so hectic and people forget how we need a break sometimes
Me: and oh yeah, those guys are super cool - thanks for the tip! i just picked up a book from them. i’m big into Eastern teachings - that’s where i learned a lot of the sensual breathing i did with you haha (she “loves” this message)
Me: okay, damn you reminded me that i actually have some homework as well. you want to have a super productive work session together?? we can hold each other accountable :)
HBMarina: I think I’m going to stay here to finish up my homework, and my sorority chapter meeting is at 5:00
HBMarina: You definitely taught me something new about myself when we were together. I never thought of myself as a “sensual lover” until I experienced your way of doing things. I love the delicate touches now. It literally gives me chills haha

*WOW BIG OPPORTUNITY*

Me: i love that you feel like this. and that was was only the beginning of the pleasure you can reach with sensuality. problem i hear is that most guys can’t or won’t be delicate and sensual to that degree though. doesn’t make sense to me because that’s what i cherish the most *heart-eyes emoji*

*She doesn’t respond for a while, and I somewhat rashly decide to text again out of sheer horniness and for the fact that I'm trying to get laid tonight whether with her or another girl*


4:19 PM
Me: haha silly me, i didn’t answer your first text. completely understand how it would’ve been too small of a window anyway. so would you like to go for a walk after your homework and sorority meeting? it’s sooo pretty out and i feel like this beautiful energy just can’t be wasted, especially as it’s supposed to rain all week

6:45 PM
HBMarina: Aw man :( I didn’t know it’d rain all week
HBMarina: Well, most men I’ve experienced aren’t like that, so were definitely the most sensual man I’ve ever experienced!


3/26, 8:07 PM
Me:
i am so happy that you found a guy! you seem like the type of woman to really thrive off personal connection, so it makes me super excited to know that your life is full of amazement and adventure :)

11:32 PM
HBMarina: You too Lofty
HBMarina: How are you tonight?
Me: a little bored rn but ready to make something spontaneous happen haha. you?
lofty come on.... you were doing so goooooood now this:


^ always think on the "subcommunication level on texting" :
Me: a little bored rn but ready to make something spontaneous happen haha. you?

^ i am bored, i got nothing going, i am so happy i am hearing for you and desperate to see you.....

vs.... " oh busy working on this new track i have a deadline on, the beats and rhythem comming out nicely getting anxiety on how the track comes out, i am too much of a perfectionist so this is the 15th time i edit, how about you, what are you doing besides thinking of me and smiling?"
 

Linguinator

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A couple of commenters made what I believe is THE main lesson to be learned from this encounter, but I think it was not emphasized sufficiently and eventually got lost in all the chatter. That point is NOT that you need to do two hours of post-coital emotional reassurance and worth-reconstruction for the girl so she doesn't get slut remorse. It's that you must be very, very aware of how far you can push a girl, sexually, the first time you have sex -- and really every time you have sex. And it's different for different women. Here are some of the maxims and general rules that I've come up with over the years . . .

The very first rule is that if you ever want to see a girl again . . . don't get wild/kinky/raunchy during the first session. This is the lesson you learned in your experience with HBMarina.

Second, younger women -- say, under 25 -- often do not have enough experience and therefore comfort with raunchy, kinky sex, for a guy to get raunchy or kinky in the first session. There are exceptions to this and you'll learn to spot them. One exception is if a girl is REALLY comfortable, right off the bat, with having your cock in and around her mouth . . . a lot. If a girl sucks you off like a pro the very first thing, then says, "Fuck me," then wants you to cum in her mouth again after a long fuck, you can probably do just about anything you want with her and she won't get slut remorse. Also, if a girl has a tongue stud and a nipple ring and a tramp stamp, there's about a 1-in-100,000 chance that anything you do will either blow her mind OR give her slut remorse. You have to read each girl and assess where she is sexually.

Third, with more mature women, over 25, chances are that they've had some very erotic and kinky and edgy sexual experiences and so are much more comfortable with more edgy sex. So the PROBABILITY that these women will get slut remorse after a wild first session is much lower. But the first rule still applies here: if you ever want to see her again, you still shouldn't get raunchy or kinky the first time you have sex.

This approach is aimed at getting to know the woman and her getting comfortable with you and your sex during three to five sessions over a few weeks so that when you start getting more kinky/raunchy with her, slowly, there's no emotional or self-worth damage afterward, so she doesn't get slut remorse at all.

So ask yourself how much future value a particular woman has to you. For me, a woman who's at least a 9.5 and is smart-as-a-whip is a high-value keeper, so I'm going to play it kind of slow. But "slow" doesn't mean "non-satisfying" for her. My goal in every session is for the woman to have at least five orgasms -- and hopefully many more -- before I have one. The average woman has never had five orgasms even in one session, so if a man makes her have between five and twenty orgasms in one night, she's going to be so grateful that she'll do just about anything for him . . . just short of selling her children into slavery.

The aforementioned girl with the tongue stud, nipple ring and tramp stamp, on the other hand, is not my type of woman and in the unlikely event that I find myself having sex with her, she's going to get the merciless round-the-world treatment in the most dominant way. She's not going to feel degraded, and she's not going to have slut remorse. She's also not going to get a phone call afterward. But my girl-has-multiple-orgasms-first imperative is still in effect, so . . . there's a good chance that if that woman wants some hot, NSA sex in the future, SHE may be the one calling.

Lofty, I really do think you're doing a little more soul-searching over this girl and the outcome than you need to do. You did NOT commit some moral transgression here. All you did was get a little too raunchy with a girl in your first sex session together. And the fact is that SHE is the one being unfair because she was completely enthusiastic the whole way and not ONCE did she say, "I don't want to do that." Right ?

Is that correct ?

And then afterward she starts complaining.

I mean . . . fuck me runnin'.

But this is how fickle some women can be.

And that doesn't make women evil or underhanded, of course. It just means that female sexual nature is itself so intricate and complicated that it can produce fickleness . . . fickleness that even the women themselves don't understand and can rarely control. But to me, their girly emotionality and their nuclear sex drives and their girly minds just make women all the more precious and valuable to men. (The evil women are the ones who have consensual sex and then later cry "rape." Those women should be sent to prison for 20 years.)

Also always bear in mind that when a woman is in a highly sexually excited state, the sexual excitement and desire are powerful enough to take over her mind completely and make her do things that she would never do in a non-sexually excited state. She can lose her judgement, she can lose her modesty, she can lose her self-consciousness, she can lose her self-control, she can forget her husband and her children. So what she agrees to while hyper-excited may cause problems for her or you later.

But as more-cognitive men dealing with more-emotional women, we must be aware of these fickleness possibilities and tendencies in some women and we have to plan for them, usually beforehand, and avoid the pitfalls that that fickleness can create, to the extent that we can.

You fell into a fickleness pitfall in this case, but the solution is simple: just take it easy during the first few sex sessions when you want to see the girl again.

That's it.
 
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Lofty

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Hey @Linguinator,

Thanks so much for your feedback on this lay report and the other! It’s obvious that you’re extremely experienced and remarkably well-versed, so I truly do appreciate your insight.

Quickly regarding Ms. Strawberry Princess – noted on all of your points. We did have a few sweet moments thrown into that whirlwind, and while I do think that she wanted to be penetrated by me at times… it was absolutely only for her own pleasure. Phew, that girl was a wild one. No doubt the personality disorder type.

As for my post-lay behavior there, yeah, I see now that it was a little much. I really wanted to ensure that her experience with me was as good as possible after the snafu with HBMarina, but lesson learned.

Yep, now in respect to your comments about the aforementioned HBMarina. Seriously, thank you so much for making this post. You presented everything so clearly, and it makes perfect sense when cross-referenced with my own experiences as well. This knowledge won’t be wasted, and I’ll be sure to plaster your maxims into my mind.

And wow, I definitely want to learn to trigger orgasms at will like that. I really enjoy foreplay myself, so I’ve noticed that when I keep building and building her arousal the orgasms do come easier. Penetration wise, I use The Eros Technique (recommended by @Bacchus) as my foundation alongside my verbals – this has been a good model for me to implement although I am still learning to perfect my usage of it.

For yourself, I’m guessing that you’re able to achieve so many orgasms by using David Shade’s teachings as you noted before? Appreciate you mentioning those by the way! I’ve recently gotten my hands on his Manuel amongst a couple other texts and am currently digesting them. Definitely head and shoulders above the other more popular sex technique books, and it’s not even close.

In terms of the morality here… it absolutely did bother me for a few weeks. Basically took me out of the game. Thankfully, I was able to bounce back and have a good March-April, but even recently I have felt a little perturbed by the thought that she was left feeling aggrieved in any way.

So your thoughts on this are wonderful to hear. And yes, not once did she verbalize discomfort, and the dominant behavior was more-or-less encouraged by her excitement to act out the fantasies. Like you explain here…
Also always bear in mind that when a woman is in a highly sexually excited state, the sexual excitement and desire are powerful enough to take over her mind completely and make her do things that she would never do in a non-sexually excited state. She can lose her judgement, she can lose her modesty, she can lose her self-consciousness, she can lose her self-control, she can forget her husband and her children. So what she agrees to while hyper-excited may cause problems for her or you later.
… that’s what it looks like happened.

Again, noted on all of your astute points. Be more perceptive of her sexual experience/type, have a better understanding of my overall intentions with her, and dial down the raunchiness in the first few sessions as elucidated by you, Chase, and the others.

Cheers!
 
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