Could the Tates know what they're talking about when it comes to women?

[Kaida]

I recently came upon this old course that Tristan Tate (Andrew Tate's brother) made. And not gonna lie, from listening to it it really seems he knows what he's talking about.

Normally I don't watch redpill / manosphere stuff at all, but the Tates are one of the few redpillers that aren't bitter towards women in the slightest, and actually seem to have elite, master level game.

Just watch the first few seconds of this video where he shows off his 6 beautiful exclusive girlfriends:

People around here don't seem to like the Tates for some reason, but It looks like they're definitely people you could learn a thing or 2 from based on their results alone. They aren't Looks-Money-Status dudes either, they brag about how they got girls back when they were broke.

What do you guys think?

 

[ulrich]

1 and a half hours?? Sorry mate, ain’t nobody got time for that

He may or may not have game.
The Tates run a scam strategy where they mix ludicrous statements with occasionally sound advice.
That way you go from “these guys are crazy” to “hmmm… this kinda makes sense” to “they know something I don’t”… and later you end up buying into one of their crappy schemes.

Now… maybe there’s something we could learn from them…
In any case, be careful, these guys are top level professional scammers.

I’ll try to avoid being overly critical about things I don’t know BUT can you really call someone a seducer if he is running a prostitution ring?

Those women are first his employees and second his girlfriends.
Will they be with him if he wasn’t giving them money?
Food for the thought.

 

[Rakehell]

Yeah it’s marketing for a course. The point is to make it seem like something worth buying. Way better tried and tested stuff out there you can get for free.

Take anything that includes any variation of “and for the small price of $$$amount, you too can x”, with a grain of salt.

 

[topcat]

can you really call someone a seducer if he is running a prostitution ring?

Yes. God Tier in fact, if we’re talking pimps and not traffickers.

Everything else you said I agree with.

 

[Will_V]

I recently came upon this old course that Tristan Tate (Andrew Tate's brother) made. And not gonna lie, from listening to it it really seems he knows what he's talking about.

Normally I don't watch redpill / manosphere stuff at all, but the Tates are one of the few redpillers that aren't bitter towards women in the slightest, and actually seem to have elite, master level game.

Just watch the first few seconds of this video where he shows off his 6 beautiful exclusive girlfriends:

People around here don't seem to like the Tates for some reason, but It looks like they're definitely people you could learn a thing or 2 from based on their results alone. They aren't Looks-Money-Status dudes either, they brag about how they got girls back when they were broke.

What do you guys think?

The way I look at it, you can learn from anyone who is good at something. And people who become popular and well-known (or notorious) tend to have at least one thing they are very good at.

If you want to know the measure of someone, you have to understand three things and be able to separate them: 1) who they say they are 2) who they believe they are and 3) who they really are. If 3) contains something that is useful to you, then you can learn from them, but to do that you have to translate 1) and 2).

I haven't watched the video but I've seen a fair bit of content from the Tates. I've heard things that are very useful and also things that are nothing more than a means of tuning up the audience. I don't think they are a great source of seduction material (as in meeting a woman and taking her quickly to bed), but they do seem to understand women well and apply that knowledge to their frame control.

What they are extremely good at in my opinion, especially Andrew, is communication and frame control generally. I don't think I've ever seen any youtuber or internet personality that comes close. He's extremely driven and disciplined as far as I can tell, and sees everything as a competition that he absolutely must win at all costs. That kind of attitude has plenty of benefits, though it will certainly put many people on edge and make them dislike him. And it's a very universal skillset, one that affects relationships with women, men, the public in general, and even the relationship someone has with themselves.

One of the best pieces of advice I heard Andrew say is 'don't listen to someone you don't like the look of, even if what they are saying might be true.' When you listen to someone, especially regularly, you absorb a lot of unspoken messages around the one that they are speaking to you, that influence your perception of things subconsciously. That goes for everyone you speak with or listen to - communication is not a battle of truth but a battle of frames, and frames come with lots of things attached.

In the world we live in today especially, everyone and everything is trying to frame control you. Society tries to frame control you, companies try to frame control you, internet personalities try to frame control you, everyone you meet tries to frame control you - everyone has their beliefs and identity that they feel pleasure when someone else buys into, and suffer when someone contradicts it. Sometimes the frame is useful and a better one than what you have, but to know that you have to try it and see if it really improves your life.

 

[Skills]

I recently came upon this old course that Tristan Tate (Andrew Tate's brother) made. And not gonna lie, from listening to it it really seems he knows what he's talking about.

Normally I don't watch redpill / manosphere stuff at all, but the Tates are one of the few redpillers that aren't bitter towards women in the slightest, and actually seem to have elite, master level game.

Just watch the first few seconds of this video where he shows off his 6 beautiful exclusive girlfriends:

People around here don't seem to like the Tates for some reason, but It looks like they're definitely people you could learn a thing or 2 from based on their results alone. They aren't Looks-Money-Status dudes either, they brag about how they got girls back when they were broke.

What do you guys think?

i just heard a bit, field test what he says:

- Get a nice lifestyle (arent you 16)
- approach a beutiful girl and say "you are beautiful"

^ start with those 2 come back and report..... ( By the way having 6 girlfriends they could be the hottest in the world) i don't wish on my worst enemy but everyone got a do themselves and find out their path....

- community is based on field testing watch his video field test what he says start by going direct like he says and telling the girl "she is beautiful" , come back in your journal and let me know how it went after you have the lifestyle that he is talking about set up...

 

[Spyce D]

Wasn't andrew tate k1 champion , too ?

 

[Kaida]

@ulrich

1 and a half hours?? Sorry mate, ain’t nobody got time for that

I said just watch the first few seconds where he shows off his girls

Now… maybe there’s something we could learn from them…
In any case, be careful, these guys are top level professional scammers.

Almost all of their old courses (body language, networking, even hustlers university) are leaked on youtube for free. I’ve watched them and I think anyone who watches them would say that theres value in it.

I don’t think they’re scammers, I think they’re just really good at selling the dream without making you feel like they’re exaggerating. But since theres still value in the product I wouldn’t say its a scam.

@Rakehell

Yeah it’s marketing for a course. The point is to make it seem like something worth buying

The video I linked is the actual course

Way better tried and tested stuff out there you can get for free.

Good point

@Will_V

What they are extremely good at in my opinion, especially Andrew, is communication and frame control generally. I don't think I've ever seen any youtuber or internet personality that comes close.

Totally agree. Andrew is just on a different level.
That’s the main reason I watch him a lot, I’m trying my best to absorb those skills. Also the way he comes across is very charismatic (if you watch some of his newer “post-jail” content I mean. His old content was caricature alpha male) and I’d love to be like that.

 

[Alpha13SC]

Very good frame control from Andrew Tate. Which is an important trait for a seducer imo.

Getting direct seduction lessons from them? C mon, he s not a pick up artist. But def has some qualities that helps him and you can look into that.

I would analyze his persona and how he does things instead of the words he s speaking. Also, have to take into account that internet character and real life himself aren t 100% congruency. One is marketing. Another is one who get famous and rich from orthodox or not so orthodox ways.

 

[ulrich]

Almost all of their old courses (body language, networking, even hustlers university) are leaked on youtube for free. I’ve watched them and I think anyone who watches them would say that theres value in it.

I don’t think they’re scammers, I think they’re just really good at selling the dream without making you feel like they’re exaggerating. But since theres still value in the product I wouldn’t say its a scam.

Well, if you got them for free because they were leaked in YouTube, there’s definitely no way you’re going to lose in that transaction.
Scamming the scammer

I guess it is really a matter of how much they charge vs. how much value they provide.

“Selling the dream” can be a pretty toxic thing if taken to the extremes.

Like if someone tells you to buy crypto or hustle your ass off without any underlying strategy… you’re likely to end up worst than you started.

 

[KJ Francis]

More on the girlfriend side of things... I've been listening to some regional rap where the guys are still heavy into crime. A common bragging theme is having a stable that he supports.

Like maybe I'd be impressed if you weren't paying their rent..?

 

[TomInHo]

C’mon @Kaida its all marketing.

The Tate brothers sell the masculine dream. Become rich, have a dope lifestyle, have women come to you, have them all be loyal to you.

In Copywriting they call it sell the dream state. And if you notice, before they pitch this to you they agitate your problem to make you feel like a “brokie” then sell their solution to stop your pain

They are running game on you

Also, think about it. They had 75 girls on pay roll and picked 6 to be their “girlfriends” lol. That’s just glorified sugar daddy game

Nothing wrong with that but let’s call it what it really is

Also I have seen interviews with Tristan where he said he would take girls out on dates but not try to fuck them the first night because it was too risky and could undo all the hard work he did prior

They are running high level Provider Game and please believe a lot of his girls are not as “loyal” as he claims

That’s why he doesn’t shut up about it, and if you watch more clips you will notice the truth slip out. Especially when Andrews cries about how he had to dump girls he loved or how he had girls that kept partying while he was seeing them

The Tate brothers are Marketers and Copywriters so you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt

And if you want to learn more about their great use of Frame Control and Persuasion, then I suggest you look into developing Copywriting skills

Believe me, you won’t regret it

 

[POB]

Could the Tates know what they're talking about when it comes to women?

No

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

If you can find the stuff they were putting in their own forum, their game was very advanced....for what they were doing.

• Target "Poor*" Romanian Girls that want a way out of that life
  • They're not "poor", they just want the fast life, and they trade their looks/body for it. Other chicks just get regular jobs and do regular stuff, and "suffer".
• Contact with lover boy stuff online - I love you, you look beautfiul
• She sees his glamorous life
• He flies in, Hooks up and leaves
• Has her come out to Romania
• Cut off contact with friends
• She'll eventually run out of money
• A female member of their camp convinces her to cam.
• Money problem solved
• She's now making him money, and he doesn't get his hands dirty. He's not to blame, it was a girl in his camp who put the idea in her head, and showed her how to do it.

But most of that Pimp/"Sex Trafficker" stuff isn't gonna help typical Java Developer who with crippling approach anxiety. He doesn't have Tate level belief in himself. The dudes aren't particularly attractive, but they're tall, they work out, they dress for that archetype, and it's generally attractive, especially for their target market. A lot of those EE girls, if they're hot enough, can get local sugar daddies, mafiosos, or fly out to Dubai to "model". And there is always cam models, only fans, real porn, stripping, etc. (Only the poorest of the poor become street/brothel prostitutes, see what's happening with Venezuelan woman around the world)

All of the recent stuff

1. Tinder Swindler
2. Dan Bilzerian
3. Hugh Hefner
4. All the porn industry
5. Hollywood
6. Celebrity and Social Media Culture
7. American house hold purchases being driven by 90% women

It's all sort of "getting women to do things that we want them to do" - but very different contexts, motives, requirements, etc...

 

[ulrich]

• Has her come out to Romania
• Cut off contact with friends
• She'll eventually run out of money
• A female member of their camp convinces her to cam.

This gotta be borderline illegal.

I’m surprised he got out of jail… well, not that surprised… he got the bucks to pay.

 

[TomInHo]

Okay, I let the video play in the background and found some pure gems....

NEVER COLD APPROACH
Well at least that's what Tristan says

Instead walk up to women by the bar and tell them to stop hanging out with dorks and come have a drink with you at your table.

She might say Yes or she might say NO... but at least it's not a cold approach

Then when she is at the table, tell her to enjoy herself and drink as much as she likes. Do this enough and a few times a year you're going to get an Instagram follow the very next day.... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

So, I should buy overpriced alcohol at the club and then give it away for free so I can get the chance for a girl to follow me on IG... Thanks for the wisdom Tristian

Because it's impossible to get on a table for free and then pull girls that same night without spending a penny. And it's also impossible to pull those same girls from the bar straight your place to fuck

This is truly groundbreaking stuff but the master has more gems for us

HOW TO BANG VIRGINS
Virgins are the real pinnacle of game. Because anyone can bang the raging club slut or a high end escort. Only real playboys can bang virgins

And with Tristan's system you can lay 2 - 3 virgins a year.

His tactic is so simple but genius at the same time. All you need are these 5 easy steps...

Step 1: Become her boyfriend
Step 2: Build trust by hanging out with her 3 - 4 times per week.
Step 3: Show her your amazing lifestyle on each date to display high value traits
Step 4: Bang her on your 2-3 month anniversary
Step 5: Enjoy boring virgin sex but fist pump yourself after and say you're the man

His reasoning for this process makes a lot of sense. So to quote him..

"I'm sorry guys, want to run into a virgin and fuck her the next day, don't ask me how, I don't know, I don't think anyone knows, I don't even think it's possible"

I'm honestly speechless. I couldn't finish the entire video but can definitely see why it appeals to men.

Once again the Tate Bros are exceptional copywriters and anyone trying to grow a following and make money online can learn a lot from them

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

This gotta be borderline illegal.

I’m surprised he got out of jail… well, not that surprised… he got the bucks to pay.

Borderline is the key.

It's realy easy to say that these chicks did all of this of their own choice.
And women make bad choices all the time. (Men move across the country, across the world for women every damn day)
It's not a crime for a woman to make a poor decision, and a man should certainly not be blamed for it.

Now if there's some tax shenaningans, that's what I would expect him to go down for.

 

[Kaida]

Okay, I let the video play in the background and found some pure gems....

NEVER COLD APPROACH
Well at least that's what Tristan says

Instead walk up to women by the bar and tell them to stop hanging out with dorks and come have a drink with you at your table.

She might say Yes or she might say NO... but at least it's not a cold approach

Then when she is at the table, tell her to enjoy herself and drink as much as she likes. Do this enough and a few times a year you're going to get an Instagram follow the very next day.... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

So, I should buy overpriced alcohol at the club and then give it away for free so I can get the chance for a girl follow me on IG... Thanks for the wisdom Tristian

Because it's impossible to get on a table for free and then pull girls that same night without spending a penny. And it's also impossible to pull those same girls from the bar straight your place to fuck

This is truly groundbreaking stuff but the master has more gems for us

HOW TO BANG VIRGINS
Virgins are the real pinnacle of game. Because anyone can bang the raging club slut or a high end escort. Only real playboys can bang virgins

And with Tristan's system you can lay 2 - 3 virgins a year.

His tactic is so simple but genius at the same time. All you need are these 5 easy steps...

Step 1: Become her boyfriend
Step 2: Build trust by hanging out 3 - 4 times per week.
Step 3: Show her your amazing lifestyle on each date to display high value traits
Step 4: Bang her on your 2-3 month anniversary
Step 5: Enjoy boring virgin sex but fist pump and say you're the man

His reasoning for this process makes a lot of sense. So to quote him..

"I'm sorry guys, want to run into a virgin and fuck her the next day, don't ask me how, I don't know, I don't think anyone knows, I don't even think it's possible"

I'm honestly speechless. I couldn't finish the entire video but can definitely see why it appeals to men.

Once again the Tate Bros are exceptional copywriters and anyone trying to grow a following and make money online can learn a lot from them

Lol point made

The Tate brothers are Marketers and Copywriters so you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt

And if you want to learn more about their great use of Frame Control and Persuasion, then I suggest you look into developing Copywriting skills

Believe me, you won’t regret it

Already started when you gave me those book recommendations

 

[Lover]

Step 1: Become her boyfriend

Even if I wasn't part of this community, I would know this here was BS because none of my experiences with virgins involved them becoming my girlfriend at first lol. Some virgins out there just want to get fucked by a guy they are attracted to

I'm glad someone has the patience to listen to them and call out the BS they are spitting. Then I know to skip them next time their videos pop up randomly and not trust these "know it all 'alpha-male'" scammers

*bow in appreciation*

 

[Spyce D]

I never followed tate even though I knew about him since 2017 .

Recently , due to algorithm pushing his videos ... I watched some of his stuff .

Sorry , man . Cant buy into it .

There is no purpose for me to follow Tate and his likes .

Cuz they ain't shit .

And speaking about their frame control .
It's all marketing most likely as there was no ' big guy ' in the manosphere , No more rsd ... So there was space for them to occupy.

And if people wanna buy into their stuff , good .... As less competition.