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Jan

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INTRO

I met this woman on a tennis camp. She was there with 2 friends, and I was there with a friend of mine. Our interactions during the camp were purely social. As a matter of fact I barely had any opportunity to talk to her one to one.

I mingled with her friends and generally with everyone. A the last day of the camp we had a small group of closer friends, so when we decided to create a facebook group so we can stay in touch when we return to our home town.

BACK HOME

Once back home and back to work, I decided to contact this girl directly. Initially, we just texted back and forth. Then I decided to invite her for coffee. She accepted.

We went out one evening. We went for a coffee first, then a stroll and finally a quick drink. Most of the evening was pretty platonic, friends like. Only during the drink in the second venue, I touched her arm several times, to indicate some sexual interest. The conversation was decent but not spectacular, probably lacking some comfort and emotional connection.

TEXTING

Even though I had some doubts whether she will be interested in continuing, I decided to keep texting. I was positively surpised that she kept texting me back pretty enthusiastically. Seeing this positive reaction, I invited her to my place. I proposed to cook ceviche for her, which is my specialty. We continued texting until we finally met at my place during the weekend.

ISOLATION

I thought that the evening went pretty well. I cooked for her, we had a glass of wine along the ceviche, and after that we sit and talked for some time. Once I started escalating on her, everything went 100% smoothly. I escalated with zero resistance. In fact, she was even helping me or pushing it futher (I kissed her slowly and gently, and she started kissing me faster and more intensely). When we were in bedroom, she was talking some of her clothes on her own.

AFTER SEX

And then everything collapsed in the next few days. I'm actually interested to keep seeing this girl. I think she has a potential to be my girlfriend. But unfortunately, I felt a lot of coldness from her. Her text replies initially became shorter and for the last two mesages she only liked my messages without replying anything back. It's been only few days since our evening together but I feel something has changed/happened. And I can't figure out what?

I have few ideas.

A. SHE PUMPED AND DUMPED ME

I was interested in potential relationship while she was only interested to have sex. I didn't see this vibe from her, and there are some reasons to believe it was not the case. She was telling me a lot about her family, sending me photos of her sister children, telling me about her work, background etc.

On the other hand, maybe she decided that I'm not socially up in her level. She is a well educated, rich, girl from good home. I'm also all of these, but maybe a notch lower. It's definitely my inner game issue. I still get nervous when stakes are high, when I get to date a really beatiful woman or a good girlfriend candidate. I also have negative mental background about wealth, back from my childhood.

So one interpretation could be that I she was initially interested in me socially, but finally only the sexual attraction remained. I'm undoubtely a very sexy guy, I get attraction signals every day from several of women, so I'm starting to think that she may not be interested in being my girlfriend, but she still wanted to fuck me.

2. I DEPLETED HER EGO

My seduction process is actually pretty solid these days. I feel like I have a high chance of bedding a woman who would go for a date with me. It's not always on the first date, but if I decide to continue it after the first date, it's usually pretty smooth and I have about 80-90% of success.

With this girl, my process was SMOOOOTH. I did pretty much every step correctly and there was zero resistance along the way.

Could this be that she regrets what she did?

3. SHE IS JUST BUSY AND SHE WILL GET BACK TO ME WHEN SHE HAS MORE TIME

This girl has plenty on her plate. She has a demanding job and plenty of after work activities so maybe she is just busy.
 

KJ Francis

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Did she cum?

If she feels cold, maybe auto rejection not getting what she wants out of you? Maybe sex quality was not congruent with the sexy vibe. This can really suck cause your future with a girl can go either way.

If that was lacking, then you're competing on boyfriend qualities right? Maybe she sees you as too sexy for that... Obvious lover
 

KJ Francis

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Even when I'm too much of a nice guy, if I pull her fast, I get the "you do this a lot, don't you" maybe because confidence and smooth seduction signals past success.

Then I never see her again lol because she's looking for a boyfriend. Even one girl who had married early, so I was her second partner. She commented how it was different sex, came way more, and also how I am a great guy she's surprised is single. So it wasn't buyers remorse.

- Mr. Right Now
 

Jan

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@Francis I think she did. Maybe even twice.

I was thinking about auto rejection too, but what does she want really? She got sex and I texted her twice after sex...

The only things I can think of which was kind of missing is: a) not enough of chase frame/not enough investment from her, b) not enough emotional connection (there was some, but it seems like it's always not enough)
 

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I wish I knew lol I would love to solve retention. Can't answer this one for sure.

Sounds like you did great. Maybe she's had way better sex, like multiple screaming orgasms. You might be great in bed, but you might be AMAZING at seducing and she expected your bedroom skills to be as good?

Or yeah, law of least effort, investment imbalance. Less connection to you from not enough opening up as much? Not enough oxytocin? Eye and skin contact during and after sex. Tough one!
 
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KJ Francis

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No worries. I feel for you lol nice work though! Successful lay nonetheless.

I'm guessing since you are having long term thoughts, it could have been pretty subtle and seeping out... Something she could feel... That you hooked faster than her, basically

This is very tough emotionally. I think hitting that one-up/one-down balance is going to he one of the toughest things to maintain. Pray to @Karea Ricardus D. Lol

I think maybe if you feel strong so fast, it's either going to fuck up, or you're in for quite a time.

Being genuinely busy is for sure real though. I've absolutely lost girls from not assuming attraction and being wrong. Jumping the gun.

The girl I mentioned said earlier today actually she's free Friday and next week. It's been 2.5 months with a couple flakes. Current plan is to read two copies of My Secret Garden on opposite ends of the couch. Coffee book club.
 

Jan

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@Francis You are surely correct that she could have picked up on these long term thoughts. I've actually caught myself real time on these. I could see discomfort on her face when I asked her questions which seemed as too up front for this stage of the relationship. It's another lesson. And it's an early one. I feel way more proficient as a fuck boy than a potential LT partner, lol. Making rookie mistakes in retention and LT courtship I guess. I've been in LT relationships before but it seems like starting a relationship as a sexy man it's a different piece of cake, lol.

It is in fact hard emotionally. No pain, no gain, though :p

Thanks for kind words. Enjoy your readings and best of luck!
 

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@Francis You are surely correct that she could have picked up on these long term thoughts. I've actually caught myself real time on these. I could see discomfort on her face when I asked her questions which seemed as too up front for this stage of the relationship. It's another lesson. And it's an early one. I feel way more proficient as a fuck boy than a potential LT partner, lol. Making rookie mistakes in retention and LT courtship I guess. I've been in LT relationships before but it seems like starting a relationship as a sexy man it's a different piece of cake, lol.

It is in fact hard emotionally. No pain, no gain, though :p

Thanks for kind words. Enjoy your readings and best of luck!
I personally think based on everything you mentioned is this, she felt you had mild onitis...in this cases is best to act like you already lost her, give her plenty of space let her be the one to make the next move usually she will ping. ..
 

Jan

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Can't give an accurate diagnosis, but what was the exact text exchange post lay?
@TomInHo

Next day post lay:
ME: "Hey gorgeous, how you feeling tonight?
HER: "Good. I went swimming. And now I'm about to finish my dinner."
ME: "I'm going swimming tomorrow :p"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]

Few days post lay:
ME: "Evening. The memories of our Sunday night came back to me and they were pleasant [some smily face or sth]"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]
 

Jan

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I personally think based on everything you mentioned is this, she felt you had mild onitis...in this cases is best to act like you already lost her, give her plenty of space let her be the one to make the next move usually she will ping. ..
@Skills
Yeah, I think you are right. Seems and feels like :)
 

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@TomInHo

Next day post lay:
ME: "Hey gorgeous, how you feeling tonight?
HER: "Good. I went swimming. And now I'm about to finish my dinner."
ME: "I'm going swimming tomorrow :p"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]

Few days post lay:
ME: "Evening. The memories of our Sunday night came back to me and they were pleasant [some smily face or sth]"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]
This post lay texts are cringe... Read my post on what to do after the lay and how to properly enter into a relationship... Is on my archives I am my cell, if not I will link tonight..
 

Karea Ricardus D.

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As you said yourself, your game "lacked comfort and emotional connection". I assume you also lacked proper qualification.

As you also said yourself, your vibe was "platonic" and you were "surprised that she even kept texting you".

Bad game. Good enough to get the lay cause she was horny... not good enough to make her thinK "this guy is really cool I'd like him as a BF"...

Serious damage control. I'd just move on... if you really want another shot or even getting her to chase create jealousy.
 
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After seeing your texts and this passage right here

I could see discomfort on her face when I asked her questions which seemed as too up front for this stage of the relationship. It's another lesson. And it's an early one.

She is not looking for relationship but you probably telegraphed too much boyfriend energy for her taste

Odds are low but you can try pinging her again in a few weeks and keep the interaction more light and playful

And like @Karea Ricardus D. said, her finding out you’re dating other girls may not be a bad idea. Can help destroy her perception of you being too needy

Maybe ask another woman from Tennis Camp out and she may find out about it

Good luck
 

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This post lay texts are cringe... Read my post on what to do after the lay and how to properly enter into a relationship... Is on my archives I am my cell, if not I will link tonight..
Here:

Post-lay texting
Entering relationships I
Entering relationships II

Posted the last 2 just for reference, but more importantly is to first learn going from 1 lay with THAT girl to 3 lays at the very least. A recurring theme on here for whatever reason.

-Dreamer
 

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ME: "Hey gorgeous, how you feeling tonight?
Way too needy, way too ""chasey" and calling her ""gorgeous" already, why?
ME: "I'm going swimming tomorrow :p"
This may be true, this may be not, but again you trying to match her vibe ie when in conversation the girl says: ""I like ABC artist" and you go ""I like ABC artist too!"" This may not be the intention, but this is my read.
ME: "Evening. The memories of our Sunday night came back to me and they were pleasant [some smily face or sth]"
Game. Set. Match. From her social lens / social perspective, you're still chasing her / thinking of her / musing over that night and hence, coming across as a bit needy. I think a mild ping at this point would've been better than what you sent tbh. I also don't like the use of the word pleasant (it reeks of a platonic / friendly vibe instead of a sexual vibe).

-Dreamer
 
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KJ Francis

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The good news is how shitty you feel and self reflection means it will be different next time. Luckily the medicine for oneitis doesn't taste so bad.
 

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@TomInHo

Next day post lay:
ME: "Hey gorgeous, how you feeling tonight?
HER: "Good. I went swimming. And now I'm about to finish my dinner."
ME: "I'm going swimming tomorrow :p"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]

Few days post lay:
ME: "Evening. The memories of our Sunday night came back to me and they were pleasant [some smily face or sth]"
HER: [she just thumps up the message, no other reply]
+1 what skills said btw, the vibe is wrong... from these texts it's obvious your headspace isn't that of a ladies man, and hence the vibe will be off in person also: too happy to be with her, too playful and nice, too much trying to be liked.

Get a little edge a la Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro in "Heat" into your vibe... watch that movie.

Also, David D... underrated for inner game and vibe. He taught about this masculinity and solidity you need to add. His vibe 20 years ago was that dominant leader alpha guy who couldn't give a shit about some dumb ditz.

Soak up some of that, but go first edition with any of his products you can still find. You'll have to download them across the web as they're not for sale anymore.
 
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