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salsagod3423

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I’ve hit my absolute breaking point with approach anxiety. I’ve been stuck in this cycle for years. I’ve watched people around me grow socially, date, and build relationships — while I’ve paced campuses, malls, bars, and streets for hours at a time, unable to open my mouth to say one simple word to a woman.

And it’s not because I don’t want it. I do. I want it so badly it’s suffocating me. I’m 22. I'm told I’m really handsome, dress well, have an athletic build, and have great friends. I can also be quite charming and flirtatious with women — when I can get myself to open. But opening is the hardest thing for me. I also have a well-rounded life — I’m doing well academically, with a strong career trajectory, and I have cool hobbies like handgliding, social dancing, mountain climbing, and skiing. I go social dancing and approach women all the time on the dance floor, but it hasn’t carried over — I still get stuck in my head in real-world social settings.

I’ve accomplished a lot in other areas of life — I’m disciplined, driven, and have held leadership roles. But socially — especially with women — I’ve carried this massive, invisible weight since middle school.

**What I’ve Tried (and Failed):**

- Dating apps, social circle, going out at night — none of it worked, I just keep getting in my head.
- I've tried the newbie challenge and kept failing
- Motivational routines – Affirmations, journaling, visualizations, music, meditation, breathing exercises. Nothing moved the needle.
- Progressive exposure – Eye contact drills, asking for the time, giving compliments to strangers. I kept hitting a wall. The fear would shut me down every time.
- Consequences – I’ve locked myself out of my room for days, given away $100 for failing, had my parents withhold support, even asked them not to pay rent or credit cards. Still froze.
- Social pressure – I’ve had friends, even my dad, walk with me and say “just one.” I walked for 10+ hours straight and still couldn’t speak.
- Alcohol – Got drunk. Still froze. My subconscious shut everything down.
- Past success didn’t carry over – On rare occasions I forced an approach, felt good for a few hours, then crashed back into paralysis the next day.

- one really weird thing is that once I got myself to approach a girl (wasn't too attracted to her) but she was super happy, gave me her number, and agreed to a date ( but i waited too long to text her and she ghosted) ...but even after I got her number that day, I couldn't get myself to approach again for the whole day.

**What I've Realized:**
- I’m not afraid of rejection. I’m stuck in a hardwired survival response.
- I walk past girl after girl — even when they clearly give signs. For months, I’ve walked miles across campus avoiding action. And on the rare day I do manage one approach, I can’t do it again the next day.
- I can endure pain, stress, intense pressure, and lead others — but when it comes to saying “hi” to a woman, my brain flips into fight/flight/freeze mode, and freeze wins every time.
- This isn’t something I can fix with more effort or self-discipline. It’s a neurological pattern that needs to be physically broken.

**What I Need Now:**
something to break this loop with me in real time. not more advice or theory, I just want to consistently approach without quitting, freezing, or mentally collapsing. That’s it.

I’m about to graduate college without ever having even held hands with a girl. I’m about to be sent off into the middle of nowhere in a career im in (military) and I won’t have access to women or dating practice like I do now at a large state school. This is my last window to fix this.

One more note: I cannot go through psychiatry or formal therapy or else I’ll lose my medical qualification for the my career — even if I go once without a diagnosis. So that path is closed for me.

If you can help, or know someone who can, I’m ready to take action immediately.
 
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What is the smallest possible success you are able to accept at the moment? You think you’ll be able to accept a reduction in the freezing? Like not to zero abut more like over the course of a few months?
 

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If it's not fear, then what it is that freezes you on the approach?

Seems like there's a deeper issue going on.

What I Need Now:**
something to break this loop with me in real time. not more advice or theory, I just want to consistently approach without quitting, freezing, or mentally collapsing. That’s it.
You'll always be trapped if your mindset revolves around needing someone to help you out.

It could work but chances, you'd go back to your patterns after.

Whatever the emotion that makes you freeze on the approach, you must push past it.

That's your calling, your challenge.

That part is on you and no coach, no program, no forum, and no one else but you can solve this.

That mental construct or ego that's keeping you from approaching needs to be obliterated.

Go and fight it.

As a natural friend of mine once told me, "you need a good pair of balls if you wanna pull bitches"
 

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What is the smallest possible success you are able to accept at the moment? You think you’ll be able to accept a reduction in the freezing? Like not to zero abut more like over the course of a few months?
whats your idea for this? My goal is to be able to just tell myself "do it" and then my mind will do it.

I know what it feels like to be anxious but still be able to pull the trigger. I approach people at networking events and social dance all the time and always feel a bit anxious, but it only lasts like a few sec and I can always pull the trigger, but for cold approach it seems like i cant and even in the rare chances I did pull the trigger, i can get myself to do it again. I've tried progressive desensitization (like just saying hello or giving compliments, but I always hit a wall when I have to do it with the intent of approaching and my issue is not talking to the girl, but opening my mouth)
 

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If it's not fear, then what it is that freezes you on the approach?

Seems like there's a deeper issue going on.


You'll always be trapped if your mindset revolves around needing someone to help you out.

It could work but chances, you'd go back to your patterns after.

Whatever the emotion that makes you freeze on the approach, you must push past it.

That's your calling, your challenge.

That part is on you and no coach, no program, no forum, and no one else but you can solve this.

That mental construct or ego that's keeping you from approaching needs to be obliterated.

Go and fight it.

As a natural friend of mine once told me, "you need a good pair of balls if you wanna pull bitches"
how do I change a deep rooted mental construct?
 

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Id loosen up on yourself honestly.

Yes. State school has great ops but I disagree in your assertion that “this is your last chance”. So much pressure.

You doing any relaxing exercises or yoga? So wound up.

anytime I’ve frozen myself out it’s usually cause I was wound up about something.m and not releasing the tension. I’ve been wound up about trauma and I’ve been wound up about regular life stress. But I always benefit and unfreeze when I got endorphins flowing. Makes it easier for me to handle the NORMAL anxiety that comes with approaching.

give it a shot this weekend. Take a yoga class. See how you feel walking around campus. It’s not a fix. But don’t look for a fix. Just look for some space.

GOOD luck dude
 

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a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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how do I change a deep rooted mental construct?
Hmm sounds like me.

First you identify the issues and then
The only thing at the end of the day that will get you out is repeated action and victory.

That's what I have realised, recently.
 

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how do I change a deep rooted mental construct?
Identify & observe it.

Being aware that it's a mental construct separates you from it.

For example, if I were to say : "I feel fear in my body"

Am I the fear?

No.

I am the awareness that sees the fear.

That creates space between me and the fear.

Similarly, identify the mental contruct. What emotion is it closest too?

See it. Observe it.

If you can do that, you've proven to yourself that you are not that mental construct.

You are the awareness that witnesses the mental construct.

Feel the awareness, that is, the "real" you and forge ahead regardless of how strong the mental construct is.

Repeat this enough and you will create enough space between you and the mental construct.

The mental construct will rapidly lose charge and momentum.

Good luck.
 

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@salsagod3423 I did this work in 2019-2020ish (directly with Andrew Huberman and Ryan Soave!) and I can’t tell you the absolute LIFT it had on my life.

All things you can do alone or allow a trust team member to guide you. It pays off more if you do it as a routine.

I’d be down to get on a call to talk you through it. I am not certified nor a professional but i can give you an overview of the techniques and point you to resources that you can use if you decide to use it. In order of safety ~

-yoga nidra scripts
-TRE (trauma reduction exercise)
-breathwork

anyway - there is absolutely safety and satisfaction to be had! It’s pretty damn cool to be a guy!
 
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