Do you believe in this stuff?

[Tony D]

How bad do you want success?

I’ve seen a lot of guys go from newbie to being very successful with pickup. I also know boatloads who got into it, but never got farther than a date or two, and then go back to their lives of quiet loneliness and desperation. So what separates these two types of men? Is it genetic? Do the guys with really good looks get validated sooner, and then stay with it? Are there guys who are just more intelligent and therefore faster learners?

There is truth to both of those statements, but the one quality I’ve noticed that brings men the most success with pickup is belief. They just believe that if they stick to the program, they’ll get results.

Learning game is like running a marathon. You could be getting flaked on and rejected over, and over, and then you quit just a few miles from the finish line. Where as the marathon runner knowing he’s already lost, still picks himself up and keeps running to the end. He knows that whether he wins, or comes in last, he will be stronger, more experienced and more likely to place in the next race.

I can tell which men believe. They come to the forums with questions based on their experiences asking how they could have done things better. The men who do not believe, they come asking for theory on hypotheticals.

If you truly believed you’d be out there, every day, working on it.

Imagine I handed you a wand and said all you have to do is practice magic every day, and you can do this! Then I flew into the air and turned into a dragon. Would you practice? Probably. Imagine all the pussy you could get if you were a dragon! Well, that’s what it’s like when you learn pickup. But for most men when they hear about this stuff, they scoff, “Oh, that’s such a scam.”

I know the men here aren’t scoffing. But I also don’t think they believe, because if they really believed, they’d be out there doing it, rather than theorizing about “What if I approached girls who are on the phone?” or other hypotheticals that they haven’t experienced yet.

Can I convince you to believe in the process? That push pull, teasing, sexual framing, deep diving, and all this theory actually works? No, I can’t. The only way for you to believe is by experiencing it for yourself.

When I got into this stuff, I was like the first astronauts training for a moon landing. Like it had never been done before, and I would prove it could be done. I wasn’t going to give up until I landed my dick in a beautiful girl. I was a moon landing pussy bandit. That’s what you need to be.

Sure you may just be an interested hobbyist intellectual exploring game theory. Or you may be a virgin looking for a clue. Lurker or not, if you really want to succeed at this stuff, you need to immerse, to become a full cult member, and get your ass outside and do it, every day if possible. Then maybe after you’ve hit on one, five, or ten thousand women, you’ll look back at who you were, shake your head and go, “That was me.”

 

[Gamenoob92]

I think you are a 100 percent right. I remember watching my first infield video on youtube. I was awestruck and my world changed. But I never for a second doubted it. I was so captivated by the thought that I could also improve that I flew to a different continent and took a daygame bootcamp. Approached 60-70 girls and got 2 of them back to my room all within 4 days and I had previously slept with only one woman and I was 25.. It was only after that I first heard of someone alleging that an infield was fake. But I was already a believer by then since I had experienced it personally.

My only regret is I got into a relationship and did not approach for a year. Now I still feel like a newbie, But this time around I am determined to stick it out and get really good at this.

 

[Mr.Rob]

For sure. Good points, you gotta want it.

I believed in it when I first started but I had a lot of doubts that I could actually do it.

When I was 5 months in and still hadnt been able to get a date or lay or kiss I was having a lot of anxiety about failure.

But I just kept thinking that if one man can figure this shit out so can I. You have to make the decision that your going to persist without exception until you make it.

Get excited about every little kernel of progress you make and as long as you continue trending upward over time keep putting one foot in front of the other until you make it.

 

[Gunwitch]

An even bigger question, although yours is first and foremost, is if most guys realize this shit is like a sport.

You have to train in this game and get over humps, not like you said like a marathon, but doing marathons to train to be longer distance runners even.

As I put it in all my materials, "mastery vs outcome" orientation. I didn't come up with that on my own, that's from training for sports, which most guys who find this probably unless they're a "gymcel" haven't done much of. You have to work this stuff one thing at a time until its on automatic and easy, then master the next thing, or its just a ball of confusion the once a month you approach.

Thats when it seems like the magic wand you can't figure out.

I've been doing this 22 years, and training guys in it 15ish. That is the thing. Most aren't in a state of "don't get" or "don't believe" they don't wanna hear it or do it. The work scares them, or they don't get the reality of training to improve in anything. It's easier to watch videos, listen to courses and wait for the "ahha epiphany" vs getting interacting regular enough and drilling specific skills so they get automatic.

Pickup/cold approach covert influence as amazing as it is to be able to do, it is easier for most weak mined guys to instead believe it isn't possible and to just give up and enjoy an ideal of "women just want looks money and status" as a way to be lazy.

Like I always say, this is the ONLY skill on earth a guy thinks he should just naturally be a master of. No guy (well maybe some real dummies) would imagine they could step in a boxing ring with a pro fighter and beat him with no training. However guys who have never done a single cold approach will feel like a total loser because "I couldn't get her as a man!", when they are totally out of their depth to even have their ego involved as a man, because they don't have the skill.

Being a cold approach PUA isn't about "being a man" or some judgement on your desirability to women, or you might as well go on Tinder. It's a skill that needs to be learned.

Structured training REGULAR (not one approach a weekend for 6 months then give up/the average I see) is the most important thing that most don't wanna hear/learn.



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[Space]

First off I’m not a fan of Roissy. I find white nationalism and the alt right to be abhorrent. However, I’ve always liked these laws and am mostly in agreement. Any thoughts?

https://heartiste.org/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

I was familiar with many of Roissy’s sixteen laws from Deida's book. But at least if you can refer to Deida for said laws, you don't have to apologize that an otherwise abhorrent white nationalist can have a good thought or two, instead you can refer to a completely legit person.

I'm coming from this place. The way you put it folks makes me question the school of seduction you promote is compatible with someone who has any other main mission in life than becoming a full time instructor and do it for money. Here's a video by a young former instructor who simply wanted to move on with his life not that he would consider now seduction to be toxic or anything, he just didn't feel his income being tied to it to be his way forward.

That said I'm already overwhelmed enough with this forum and with one person I can maintain only one line of dialogue. @Tony D, I've lost it here with you the last time.