Field-Tested Online Process

[Aussiedude]

I would like to know that too! I almost never have dates with super dtf girls. At least not in the West. Maybe it's the "normie" feel Skills was talking about and girls looking for a quick hookup screen me out. Or maybe I need better pictures

But even if they SAY they are looking for long term, you can still get the lay

Yes Agreed on long term is more a general preference than an absolute.

I've had pretty decent success getting the lay on first dates. I try to always not structure it as a 'date' per say. But more we're just casually hanging out. So it feels more natural when we do spontaneous things that are not planned. One of which might be going back to my apartment.

In my experience super DTF is rare, BUT you can still get the lay of the first date with a lot of women you meet in the west. I find it works best when you're hanging out with a spontaneous kind of vibe. Where she's enjoying herself, doesn't have any other commitments and is cool with you proposing whatever.

And I aim for us more to just have a good time and don't force my apartment too quickly. I like to propose going back to my place once it feels 'right'. Like we're both enjoying ourselves but are feeling a little tired and wanna chill or even nap for a bit. Like we're continuing hanging out just gonna chill for a bit instead.

Or like I'll say once we've doing whatever for a while. I'll be like, oh lets go back to mine to chill for a bit. And then we can get dinner a little later afterwards.

And throughout the date, whatever we're doing. I'm gradually escalating more. Getting more physical, kissing more. Pressing my body against hers more etc.

If you're kissing and pretty physical with her. She's open to having sex. Just gotta allow it to unfold without her feeling like you're forcing it.

That's how I usually get first date lays. And I'm in the west lol.

 

[Skills]

Btw Skills, I tried the future projection line and it works great! The girls respond great to it

oh glad to hear! as i said your stuff is great just was not optimal, you were going to generic/normie... When you flirt you are always gauging, always calibrating....

 

[Skills]

Yes Agreed on long term is more a general preference than an absolute.

I've had pretty decent success getting the lay on first dates. I try to always not structure it as a 'date' per say. But more we're just casually hanging out. So it feels more natural when we do spontaneous things that are not planned. One of which might be going back to my apartment.

In my experience super DTF is rare, BUT you can still get the lay of the first date with a lot of women you meet in the west. I find it works best when you're hanging out with a spontaneous kind of vibe. Where she's enjoying herself, doesn't have any other commitments and is cool with you proposing whatever.

And I aim for us more to just have a good time and don't force my apartment too quickly. I like to propose going back to my place once it feels 'right'. Like we're both enjoying ourselves but are feeling a little tired and wanna chill or even nap for a bit. Like we're continuing hanging out just gonna chill for a bit instead.

Or like I'll say once we've doing whatever for a while. I'll be like, oh lets go back to mine to chill for a bit. And then we can get dinner a little later afterwards.

And throughout the date, whatever we're doing. I'm gradually escalating more. Getting more physical, kissing more. Pressing my body against hers more etc.

If you're kissing and pretty physical with her. She's open to having sex. Just gotta allow it to unfold without her feeling like you're forcing it.

That's how I usually get first date lays. And I'm in the west lol.

Most girls online are not dtf per se, and yes the more spontaneous the less pressure and anxiety for the girl... I don't think most guys go for really dtf girls, even if they are, is just bad strategy to go for too dtf, and they usually are not that hot... Some guys screen out many girls just looking for dtfs (which i also think bad strategy) they are killing too many leads...

 

[OldGuy]

Even if they want an LTR, they still want to make sure the sex is good.