FR+ First Time In New Venue, Almost Pull But Bad Logistics

[naturalmikey]

i got out of a year long relationship in june and it was hard to get back. so i know what you’re going through. i spent all of june getting back in shape then went out the next four months about 3 times per week.

something i noticed from your post which is similar to what i went through is that it looks like you’re making the easy convenient warm approaches. trust me i’ve been there. shit didn’t really get going for me until i started making the difficult approaches. you’re really limited if you’re only approaching convenient girls. and you’re not going for the girls you really want. in smma gunwitch has a good method for manufacturing warm approaches out of thing air which i like. but even that isn’t always gonna work. so for me it’s important to just open cold and open myself up to rejection. the rejections are never as bad as i imagine that they could be.

 

[Skills]

i did not read all the responses just skimmed....

you had an opportunity when discussing age, to frame it as age does not matter i am more concern with vive and sexual chemistry and indirectly bring more sexual topics....

With her objections of going to bed quick, you also miss an opportunity to show sexual none judgment, i usually here i go in detail about the Madonna whore complex (i basically go in detail on teevester definition of it)....

as for logistics the "how you are here with? and how you know each other? early helps... But other factors go into this....

 

[Watts]

something i noticed from your post which is similar to what i went through is that it looks like you’re making the easy convenient warm approaches. trust me i’ve been there. shit didn’t really get going for me until i started making the difficult approaches. you’re really limited if you’re only approaching convenient girls. and you’re not going for the girls you really want. in smma gunwitch has a good method for manufacturing warm approaches out of thing air which i like. but even that isn’t always gonna work. so for me it’s important to just open cold and open myself up to rejection. the rejections are never as bad as i imagine that they could be.

I appreciate the feedback.

In this case, she was certainly "my type" both in look and disposition, so the fact that she was the first approach of the night and the girl I stayed with was more a matter of me finding a yes girl or strong maybe right away (and, technically, she opened me with the question on the chairs, although she did think I worked there, or so she claimed).

I just started going out again, but that's really not what I'm doing (or really, what I ever do). I do get some nice approach invitations, and I do act on them, but I generally go for the girls that really turn me on, and I'll choose to engineer an open with a girl that I think I'll really like, even if it means waiting around and not approaching a yes girl while doing it (which can even be detrimental to me building momentum, from taking an easy lay with a less hot girl).

Also, I haven't worried about rejections for a long, long time (I've been going to bars solo, steadily (minus some mono time) for over a decade). If I hesitate, it's because I'm looking for my "in".

But I like you mentioning Gunwitch's product (both Teevster and Bacchus have recommended it), and how it could be useful for engineering some warm approaches.

 

[naturalmikey]

as for logistics the "how you are here with? and how you know each other? early helps... But other factors go into this....

what time do you work tomorrow?
do you have pets? - transitions to if she lives alone and to if she lives close by seemlessly

also if a girl says she’s too old for me i’ll misinterpret it and say “don’t worry i don’t judge” or “i won’t hold it against you” or “i’m not that superficial. i’d consider a girl your age” the last one very tongue in cheek

 

[Watts]

you had an opportunity when discussing age, to frame it as age does not matter i am more concern with vive and sexual chemistry and indirectly bring more sexual topics....

Good point! I hadn't thought to turn the age question towards a seduction oriented topic, thank you for that! (Should also help with the younger girls who aren't immediately up for older guys)

With her objections of going to bed quick, you also miss an opportunity to show sexual none judgment, i usually here i go in detail about the Madonna whore complex (i basically go in detail on teevester definition of it)....

I think my problem here was too little, too late. And reacting instead of being proactive. But yes, I agree that was needed. And I hadn't thought of using the Madonna Whore Complex for a while, although I feel I may tend to go too analytical with that (I do love psychology), so I'd need to find a way to make it a concise routine.

But, that may actually be a good way to get to a SOT from psych talk (which is an interest of mine).

Is that laid out in detail somewhere (like the old forum)?

as for logistics the "how you are here with? and how you know each other? early helps... But other factors go into this....

Yeah, I definitely needed to do this. Gotta chalk it up to being rusty, because it's a beginner mistake that I know not to do.

Thanks Skills!