Flaking/Fake Phone Numbers, and converting to Dates

[Kvothe]

Hi everyone,

The past few days, I've gotten a decent number of phone numbers from girls, but in some cases the phone numbers are fake, and in the others, the girls just don't respond. I was looking for advice on how to better my initial interactions so that girls will give me their real numbers, and be more open to going out with me. My current assumption is that I need to be warmer when I first meet a girl, and get to know her better than I am currently (as of right now my process if very fast, about 2-4 minutes before exiting interaction with number). Stuff like finding out more about her, and having some screening might be helpful as well.

Any thoughts?

Kvothe

 

[readjusting]

Get to know the girls better.
Most dates I got, the initial interaction lasted 15-20 minutes.
(If you read the book on texting by Chase, he said keeping the interaction short, 3 minutes. So it depends on the person).
And flaking/fake phone number, it's unavoidable man. Just propose the date before getting the number, so you can weed out the girls who's not going to respond.

 

[Ambiance]

This should serve as a good primer for you:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-do-when-girl-doesnt-text-back

Also, here's a powerful method that has worked great for me:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/tactics-tuesdays-calling-her-when-texts-don-t-pan-out

Cheers,

Ambiance

 

[headsup38]

I'd like to know how these females ever get bfs/married or get laid if all they are doing is giving out fake phone numbers and not returning texts/calls. They do it very often and eventually you're going to run out of talent if you keep rejecting every guy that approaches you.

Now that being said, I know one guy would dial the number immediately after he received it just to make sure it works. And he did it to guys--probably learned from experience from false numbers from girls. You can try that.

I personally don't do cold approaches and never ask for numbers unless I'm absolutely forced to. We are usually better acquainted by the time I ask for it so they are more willing to give it to me when asked. As far getting a response from them via text later on, needless to say, my success rate is substantially lower.

 

[Kvothe]

Curiosity,
Good point. That's what I've been thinking. I need to be warmer, and get to know the girl better, which at my stage would probably take 15-20 minutes, if not more. I think the goal is to get to the point where it only takes 3 minutes to figure it out, and that's something I'm going to try and work on.

Ambiance,
Thanks for the articles! I'll be sure to take a hard look at them tomorrow. I also have Chase's "How to Text a Girl", so I'll use that as a reference too.

Headsup,
Not sure how they get bf's either. Maybe solely social circle, or some really high status/high skill guys. I got nothing against it personally, I just want to understand how to reach the same level as those guys whose numbers girls don't flake on.
I've been thinking the same thing about dialing afterwards. Only issue I can imagine is that if it's fake, then what are you supposed to do. I would imagine just calling the girl out on it, which I will probably try next time. I've also been trying to follow Chase's ebook about texting which says to give it a little time before your icebreaker text to not seem too desperate. Will have to experiment to see what works.
I totally understand what you're saying. I would go for the insta-date any day, but I'm not at that point yet where I have the balls to do so. I'm still building up to it. Plus, I usually meet girls on my walk to work in the mornings, which means that instant dates are infeasible. Maybe later in the summer, when I've grown a more tough skin, then I'll be able to try that. Will definitely take what you said to heart.

Thanks guys. As usual, any additional advice is always appreciated.

Kvothe

 

[foggy]

What's your process looking like? Are you using banter? Are you asking for the phone number in a smooth way? Are you qualifying? What are you texting girls after you meet them? How long do you wait before you text them? Are you being direct at all e.g. asking if they are single? Is there any nervousness and weirdness during your interactions or are they relatively comfortable conversations?

 

[Kvothe]

Backstory,
So my excuse for not using banter is that I generally do my day game in the morning before work, so both the girl and I have to head to work, and bantering ends up taking a lot of time, usually the girl will say that she has to get to work, or I feel pressured to get into work. I think the solution for me is to wake up earlier and head out earlier. For the girl, maybe I should try to approach more girls headed in the direction of my work. Or I could just try the more difficult route of keeping a girl around while they are running late for work, which would be good for learning, but will probably give less early rewards.
To be honest, I don't think my asking for the phone number is smooth. I'd totally forgotten the suggestion of asking on a high point, and was instead ending the conversation along the lines of:

"Are you single"
"Yes"
"I was asking because I'd love to grab a coffee with you"

And then I'd grab the number like that. Those usually ended with fake numbers for 3-5 minute interactions.
For people I talk to for 10 minutes (not a large data set), I got the real number, but no response to my texts.
For people I met on a relaxed Sunday (one person data set), I got the number and a response to icebreaker text, but nothing so far to date set up text.

In terms of weirdness/nervousness, if I have the social momentum, that stuff usually goes much lower, though I think there's still inexperience there. Only thing I can think of to deal with inexperience is to fake experience until I get it.

 

[foggy]

bantering ends up taking a lot of time

Not necessarily...just one or two lines is fine.

I think the solution for me is to wake up earlier and head out earlier. For the girl, maybe I should try to approach more girls headed in the direction of my work. Or I could just try the more difficult route of keeping a girl around while they are running late for work, which would be good for learning, but will probably give less early rewards.

Keeping women in conversations when they are going to work/have other responsibilities to get to is tough as heck. I definitely think you should head out earlier to game. Let's say you meet a girl and you're hitting it off. You could walk with her towards her work and pretend that you're both going the same way to work. This gives you a lot more time.

To be honest, I don't think my asking for the phone number is smooth. I'd totally forgotten the suggestion of asking on a high point, and was instead ending the conversation along the lines of:

"Are you single"
"Yes"
"I was asking because I'd love to grab a coffee with you"

Interesting....When you end the conversation like this you are basically implying that you only want to get coffee with them because they are single, which raises alarm bells in their head (this stranger doesn't care about me at all! He just wants to fuck) which prompts them to give you a fake number or not reply to your texts.

You could try being direct earlier in the conversation, then towards the end of the conversation after you've done a tad of deep diving you mention you gotta get going but you want to continue the conversation over coffee sometime. Then you find out their schedule before you take down their number. In my experience, the girls who are not interested will just tell you they are busy all the time and will not give you any guarantee that they will find time to meet up with you. Girls who wanna hang out with you will give you an idea of when they're free. It would go like this:

Girl: *Telling you about herself*
You: Oh yeah? Hey...I gotta get going but it was nice chatting with you! What do you say we continue this conversation over coffee sometime?
Girl: Sure! Sounds great.
You: That'd be fun. What's your schedule like tomorrow or wednesday?
Girl: I have some free time after 5PM on Wednesday.
You: Okay, let's meet up around then. I'll take down your number and we can figure out the exact time later. *hands phone to girl*

The fake #s will go down if you do this.

 

[Kvothe]

Thanks for the actionable advice Backstory!

I'll try what you said and post up what the results of it are.

Kvothe