FRs/LRs of Italian/Portuguese/Spanish Girls on Skilled Seducer

[Chase]

@Teevster,

This is all awesome:

Now, back to the "English speaking" tourist: so when a drunk British tourist (or American, Irish, Scottish—they are all the same to many of these "local" women) charges in with banter and direct lines… and/or sexual direct style or caveman escalation, it simply won't work. And here It is not just the default ASD (anti-slut defense) that kicks, which is higher in such environments due to local male behavior (France being the notable exception due to what I call "French Transcendental Feminism" - but that's a different story)—but also because their approach clashes with the social frame of the girls they hit on (in addition to these men often being annoyingly drunk). The way "flirting" is often understood in English-speaking contexts—cocky-funny, bantering, cheeky lines—just doesn’t translate well here. This also goes for Scandinavia, although totally uncomparable to southern Europe (Scandinavia it is all about being explicit - sexual prizing cranked up to 11 mixed with basic rapport).

If you want to succeed with these women, go indirect. Use DHV (demonstration of higher value), humor, social proof, verbal tools like NLP, or even my own style of game (I know it sounds like bragging - but sex talk works great on these, although with adjustements of course- yes all my pulls from Spain involved sex talk!), and boom—they are into you. And it is not that difficult really. Been to spain like 10 times, to different location.

PSS: Without disclosing too much personal info: one of my coachig clients lives in a major Spanish city and is rocking it. During none of our sessions did he ever complain about the local girls. He surely had some calibration issues that many normal guys would face, but he never considered them "harder" than elsewhere.

-Teevster

As far as I'm concerned, that probably puts a nail in the "Mediterranean girls are too cagey" theory.

Come to think of it, my playboy buddy who was in Barcelona was a pretty direct gamer & aggressive escalator -- lots of early touch, etc. Mediterranean playboys I've met usually have this same kind of style.

Girls there are just rejecting the over-direct, touchy, aggressive style ("Too playerish, I don't like").

Don't use that style and you won't trigger the knee-jerk resistance response.

Chase

 

[RisingCane]

I thought about what OP said and something came to my head. Having gamed with a number of guys in the Game community, I find that for most, they get a certain kind of girl. Usually it is an immigrant girl from Asia or South America who goes for them. It is almost a story that constantly plays out where dude learns some game, maybe fixes his looks, and he is usually getting with more immigrant women from Asia or South/Latin America. From my own experience I have found these women to be easier and more DTF.

It is rare that I meet a guy in the Game community who is regularly getting with the most popular girls who have high status. It makes me wonder if most of what is taught out there by other Game coaches is sort of taught to close girls who are already open to you or at least easier to close.

I know Michael Sartain teaches guys how to get the most popular girls but having known a few guys in Men Of Action, almost none of them are getting results.

 

[KJ Francis]

immigrant women from Asia or South/Latin America

This is a small sample size and anecdotal, but I had two long term girls (over a year and at the same time), both immigrants (one Philippines, one El Salvador). One was a virgin until me, and the other was fucking multiple guys. But both had a strong sense of traditional gender roles and family values stemming from their religious upbringing. Only the virgin was actively religious, but the other had religious parents.

Both were pretty disillusioned with modern dating and found it confusing, like literally would ask me for advice and clarifications about the rules of modern dating, how things should be expected to go, etc.

So both of them were pretty in tune with wanting the man to take the lead. Their genuine confusion usually came in where guys would not be playing their part right and it tripped them up. Both would dress feminine with skirts, dresses, footwear, etc.

I've noticed a difference in femininity in my own family between those who are stay at home moms and those who work in testosterone heavy environments (arguing) like law or business negotiating. There is also a big flip that happens when they get pregnant and go on maternity leave. These are very smart women, just as capable or more than the men around them. But I imagine they feel the opposite of estrogen Bob from Fight Club.

Anyways, the virgin had never heard the term submission used in a sexual context, but she once brought it up in the biblical context that a wife should be submissive to the husband. I know the modern western woman would rail against this... (see teevster submission gambit)

But then you lock in a modern woman and she starts enjoying letting you pick her outfits, take the lead on things etc. One literally described the process of falling for me as "starting to look to you" like for guidance or reassurance as an authority.

So for the popular girl, I think she may just be in the midst of her high volume mate evaluation phase of life, bouncing around testing a bunch of guys, bring super flaky, getting validation left and right, establishing her place in the sexual market... But also maybe not being as tuned into the yin and yang of it all until she gets more experience with older men.

When we are learning seduction, a lot of it is being the one to take the lead, and we find it to be a natural dynamic. So maybe pua guys end up with girls from other cultures because the girls are already conditioned to want this too and look for it.

I was seeing western white women through this time (some long term as well). And it was sometimes a process of self discovery for them, which will take work and time.

With great power comes great responsibility though. Some guys do see it as "easy mode" and abuse their position. I once fucked an Asian widow. She spent years with a guy who would touch himself as foreplay, then fuck her for two minutes and leave the bedroom. She did all the cooking, cleaning, etc.

She was very happy that he died.

 

[Teevster]

Come to think of it, my playboy buddy who was in Barcelona was a pretty direct gamer & aggressive escalator -- lots of early touch, etc. Mediterranean playboys I've met usually have this same kind of style.

Girls there are just rejecting the over-direct, touchy, aggressive style ("Too playerish, I don't like").

Catalonia is generally more similar to southern France FYI. They are their own thing. I know this is controversial, but take the fact that France's former prime minister became mayor in Barcelona. Go figure. He also was equally ridiculed in Catalonia as he was in france.

"My Name is Manuel Valls, Came from France to become Mayor in Barcelona, and returning to Paris to run for President (he failed)"

But France, Catalonia, and Northern Italy (north of Rome - think Milan) is kind of its own thing. I love the girls from these areas. Same with girls from Madrid or Malaga, or Portuguese, or south Italians in general. Remember, most touristic Areas in Spain are the Islands and Andalusia (which used to be a part of the Caliphate fyi). The Southern part of these countries do not share the same genetics, nor the same culture as the more northern parts, which tend to share more in common with the Roman/Frank heritage.

Europe is complex

I thought about what OP said and something came to my head. Having gamed with a number of guys in the Game community, I find that for most, they get a certain kind of girl. Usually it is an immigrant girl from Asia or South America who goes for them. It is almost a story that constantly plays out where dude learns some game, maybe fixes his looks, and he is usually getting with more immigrant women from Asia or South/Latin America. From my own experience I have found these women to be easier and more DTF.

I love South American women. I’ve never really considered them to be easier than other girls—but that might be because I’ve never interacted with them in their home countries or in a setting where I’m the "rich white dude" from Europe or America. Without that dynamic in play, the whole “easy” stereotype kind of fades away.

As for Southeast Asians—I haven’t been with one in ages. Probably the demographic I’ve ended up with the least. The last "Asians" I was with were a Chinese girl from Anhui and a Japanese girl. I hooked up with a Thai girl back in 2019. Aside from that, I’d have to go back to the early 2010s. So yeah, it's totally a stereotype.

On my end, it's mostly been European women (mostly from North, Central, and Southern Europe—fewer Northern Europeans in recent years), Latinas, and Middle Eastern/North African women. I had a serious thing for the latter group in 2022–23—went on kind of a rampage, to be honest.

Lately, I’ve also developed a taste for West African women in particular. East Africa just isn’t really my thing, though I’m sure there are amazing women from there too—I just haven’t had the chance to meet them.

Asian girls are my least favorite overall.

-Teevster

 

[RisingCane]

I love South American women. I’ve never really considered them to be easier than other girls—but that might be because I’ve never interacted with them in their home countries or in a setting where I’m the "rich white dude" from Europe or America. Without that dynamic in play, the whole “easy” stereotype kind of fades away.

As for Southeast Asians—I haven’t been with one in ages. Probably the demographic I’ve ended up with the least. The last "Asians" I was with were a Chinese girl from Anhui and a Japanese girl. I hooked up with a Thai girl back in 2019. Aside from that, I’d have to go back to the early 2010s. So yeah, it's totally a stereotype.

On my end, it's mostly been European women (mostly from North, Central, and Southern Europe—fewer Northern Europeans in recent years), Latinas, and Middle Eastern/North African women. I had a serious thing for the latter group in 2022–23—went on kind of a rampage, to be honest.

Lately, I’ve also developed a taste for West African women in particular. East Africa just isn’t really my thing, though I’m sure there are amazing women from there too—I just haven’t had the chance to meet them.

Asian girls are my least favorite overall.

-Teevster

Well I am in Miami so there is that, they are easier here since they are so plentiful lol. Funny thing is we want what we cannot have. My lay count has been mostly Latinas since I go to Miami and now I want something different. Meanwhile all other dudes I know would love to get with Latinas, especially if they are in Europe.

It be cool to get my lay count up with the Frenchies, Italians, and Spaniards since their reputation, per this thread, is of being hard.

However, I guess my point was not as much about their race and culture as much as it was about their desirability and station in life.

So many of the guys I have met over the years in the Game community seem to go with women who are rather easy or from a demographic that is easy. Like more than half my wings get with fresh off the boat Asian girls and fresh out the boat Latinas who have lower standards and requirements for men. Put them in an environment full of higher value women who are more popular, prettier, and come from a better background and these guys sink.

A lot of dudes I have met in the PUA and Game community seem to struggle with some of the more popular and prettier girls. I have met some exceptions here and there but by and large, they were rare. A lot of times, it is like the same dude who banged an Asian FOB he matched with off of Tinder cannot get some of the local women with good looks and status to save his life.

It makes me wonder if a lot of what PUA and Game is teaching is really suited for women who are inclined to like you and have less options as opposed to popular girls with lots of options. Just my $0.02 and experience. I have also witnessed that a good chunk of guys I meet from the Game community are quite strange to begin with so they are already starting behind the 8-ball.

 

[Atlas IV]

So many of the guys I have met over the years in the Game community seem to go with women who are rather easy or from a demographic that is easy. Like more than half my wings get with fresh off the boat Asian girls and fresh out the boat Latinas who have lower standards and requirements for men. Put them in an environment full of higher value women who are more popular, prettier, and come from a better background and these guys sink.

I'm not sure about this idea of a certain demographic of women being "easier".

Let's make an example with the elusive Spanish girl - a haughty, beautiful girl from Madrid who is intelligent and witty, educated, from a good background, and has a full and vibrant social life. She has no shortage of "high value" men chasing her, and gets all her social fulfilment from friends and family.

Now let's say you were fresh off the boat in Madrid and you met her at a house party where she is among the more beautiful girls in the room and surrounded by close friends she's known since childhood.

It doesn't matter how strong your game is, unless you have some seriously good social proof, you are going to have a hard time hooking up with her. Even if you manage to seduce her, she's going to fear being judged by the people close to her (and her social reputation is far more important than a hookup with you could ever be).

But let's say you met her on a two-month university exchange in Ireland. Same girl, but now she's removed from her environment. None of the friends, family and orbiters are around, and now she's on vacation with a whole new social circle.

Now the seduction is much easier.

It's the exact same girl, the only thing that changed was the environment.

But would you now say that she was an "easy" girl by sheer virtue of the fact that you encountered her outside of her environment?

And more importantly, does it even matter? If you banged her, you banged her. If she's yours, she's yours.

So, by this logic, it's easy to understand why guys living in Spain would choose to hook up with other foreigners. Does it mean they have worse game, or are they just stacking the odds in their favour? Depends on your perspective I guess. But they are getting laid.

I would argue that the imaginary categorising of girls who are "easy" and girls who are "hard" is not helpful to seduction at all. Far better to frame it as "is the situation in my favour or is it not in my favour?"

 

[Skills]

Well I am in Miami so there is that, they are easier here since they are so plentiful lol. Funny thing is we want what we cannot have. My lay count has been mostly Latinas since I go to Miami and now I want something different. Meanwhile all other dudes I know would love to get with Latinas, especially if they are in Europe.

Go up north of Miami such as Broward, Delray or West Palm Beach... is normal to get bored of the same latinas, eventually the opposite will happen you will bang a lot of white girls and will want to go back to Latinas... but that happens, cause in Miami is mostly the same cuban variation of women (gets boring)

It be cool to get my lay count up with the Frenchies, Italians, and Spaniards since their reputation, per this thread, is of being hard.

You misunderstood the thread the French, Italians and Spaniards in South Florida are not hard at all, they are talking about the ones in those countries (locals)... Specially the tourist ones or student exchanges ones (in south florida are not hard)...

However, I guess my point was not as much about their race and culture as much as it was about their desirability and station in life.

So many of the guys I have met over the years in the Game community seem to go with women who are rather easy or from a demographic that is easy. Like more than half my wings get with fresh off the boat Asian girls and fresh out the boat Latinas who have lower standards and requirements for men. Put them in an environment full of higher value women who are more popular, prettier, and come from a better background and these guys sink.

^ i call those women chongas, is the version of spanish hood rats.... Get out of Hialeah or Little habana?? where are you gaming in South Florida?? Are you going to the cool clubs in south beach?? or to Brickell?? or wynwood??

A lot of dudes I have met in the PUA and Game community seem to struggle with some of the more popular and prettier girls. I have met some exceptions here and there but by and large, they were rare. A lot of times, it is like the same dude who banged an Asian FOB he matched with off of Tinder cannot get some of the local women with good looks and status to save his life.

^ because you probably won't hang out with the group of puas that are advance they will have not incentive.... You are going to hang out with more of the newer guys...

It makes me wonder if a lot of what PUA and Game is teaching is really suited for women who are inclined to like you and have less options as opposed to popular girls with lots of options. Just my $0.02 and experience. I have also witnessed that a good chunk of guys I meet from the Game community are quite strange to begin with so they are already starting behind the 8-ball.

Again the guys that are more proficient will not have an incentive unless you know them from lets say a private group (and not even) to really hang out with someone less proficient, there is no incentive...

p.s. had and incel/black pill student landed a really hot rich French girl he is in Miami...

 

[Swati]

Portuguese girls are the ugliest in Europe. UGLY, would fuck fast, but my experience the least likely to do it.

Spainards girls are ok, are pretty woke, got those blank faces, fuck fast if you are exotic, slow game the locals. it's funny the local thinking they being so romantic or by waiting on the pussy too this goes for Italian dudes too

Italians are depending where they are from separated by the south and north, would fuck pretty fast but I've also heard differently, some pretty girls from there

French girls are the more sexually liberal and most woke, but they get super annoying, they will fuck pretty fast tho lol, I think they are the prettiest in the west Latin world.

I'm not an expert, nor learning their favela language, but do have experiences with them.

 

[RisingCane]

@Skills Bruhda lemme give you my Miami lowdown on where I am at. My friend and I live over in The Grove, we did mention it a few times on the college thread but that has been flooded at this point lol. The venues to go to here are Bodegas on Wednesdays when the run club is done, Cudas and Sandbar on Thursdays for college girls (throw in Oasis too), and then on Fridays it is Regatta aka the New Wharf.

Needless to say that I have had way more luck with daygame and nightgame in Miami Beach, Brickell, and especially Wynnwood (Dirty Rabbit).

The reason I am in The Grove is because my friend and I found a spacious spot at a great price and locked it in for a couple of years. You know how crazy rent in Miami gets and when we were looking around in Downtown and Brickell, we would get small rooms or suffer a ton on apartment quality. We lucked out with a good spot and game aside, The Grove is a fire neighborhood for just walking around and seeing the sights. Restaurants and the views here cannot be beat imo.

No one from the Game Miami community that I know of ever comes here other than my friend and I. The few PUAs we knew who were up for a challenged got crushed so bad at the local venues, complained a lot about girls being a lot bitchier, and immediately bounced.

Demographics to game here tend to mainly be rich White girls that go to The U and travel in large cliques. Needless to say that almost none of the guys I know who are into PUA have had any luck with that compared to the Latinas over in Wynnwood and Brickell or the tourists in Miami Beach.

Still a good challenge that has made me do some soul searching and look into game content to see how else I can improve my game but lots of gaming cliquey White girls here. My wing and I have occasionally had some luck but know that we could be doing way better if we moved to Brickell, Wynnwood, Downtown, and especially Miami Beach.

 

[RisingCane]

I'm not sure about this idea of a certain demographic of women being "easier".

Let's make an example with the elusive Spanish girl - a haughty, beautiful girl from Madrid who is intelligent and witty, educated, from a good background, and has a full and vibrant social life. She has no shortage of "high value" men chasing her, and gets all her social fulfilment from friends and family.

Now let's say you were fresh off the boat in Madrid and you met her at a house party where she is among the more beautiful girls in the room and surrounded by close friends she's known since childhood.

It doesn't matter how strong your game is, unless you have some seriously good social proof, you are going to have a hard time hooking up with her. Even if you manage to seduce her, she's going to fear being judged by the people close to her (and her social reputation is far more important than a hookup with you could ever be).

But let's say you met her on a two-month university exchange in Ireland. Same girl, but now she's removed from her environment. None of the friends, family and orbiters are around, and now she's on vacation with a whole new social circle.

Now the seduction is much easier.

It's the exact same girl, the only thing that changed was the environment.

But would you now say that she was an "easy" girl by sheer virtue of the fact that you encountered her outside of her environment?

And more importantly, does it even matter? If you banged her, you banged her. If she's yours, she's yours.

So, by this logic, it's easy to understand why guys living in Spain would choose to hook up with other foreigners. Does it mean they have worse game, or are they just stacking the odds in their favour? Depends on your perspective I guess. But they are getting laid.

I would argue that the imaginary categorising of girls who are "easy" and girls who are "hard" is not helpful to seduction at all. Far better to frame it as "is the situation in my favour or is it not in my favour?"

But certain demographics of women are easier and have lower standards. Fobby women from Asia and South America in my experience tend to fit that category in a lot of cases.

I just see it as going for women who were going to be open and receptive to you anyways and would have swiped right on you on the apps. It is important to mention that a lot of these Game guys I know are using the apps to get these women too or occasionally getting them from cold approach.

To me, it is just a lot more impressive and an advanced form of Game if you can get girls who are popular, good looking, and have higher standards. A lot of guys I have met from the Game community tend to run from those and not do too well.

 

[RisingCane]

^ because you probably won't hang out with the group of puas that are advance they will have not incentive.... You are going to hang out with more of the newer guys...

Again the guys that are more proficient will not have an incentive unless you know them from lets say a private group (and not even) to really hang out with someone less proficient, there is no incentive...

p.s. had and incel/black pill student landed a really hot rich French girl he is in Miami...

This does make a lot of sense. The guys I have hung out with are more on the newbies side but occasionally, I will hang out with the more advanced guys in Miami who do get better results. One key difference I have noticed is not rather in the cold approach but in the lifestyle of the latter vs the former. The advanced guys I know tend to have a great set-up and gravitate to being more naturals than just pickup guys.

You can put them in a social situation and one litmus test I find that doesn't fail me is when friends I have who meet these guys go "yeah he's a cool guy". With newbies, it is more neutral at best and at worst "that guy is weird".

The strangest part is that some of the best guys I have met in Miami were not even aware of PUA, Game, or any of the seduction stuff. They seem to just be naturals that have a certain setup and listen to their instincts.

I am judging by results more than anything though. Based on results, it does seem like a lot of guys I have met through Game/Seduction groups were hard newbies who couldn't get some of the better looking women.