Getting Date Responses from Number Closes on Night Game

[Paulie Walnuts]

So I'm going out tonight, great location with a couple solid wings. Last weekend I pulled about 20 numbers or so, but I only got 2-3 responses for dates and such (even those were low interest tbh). I know this is a numbers game, and leading/1st night lays probably tend to have a higher success ratio then number closes; but I'm still not completely comfortable with actual leading yet. Any advice on how to get better success from night game number closes? What do you guys typically do, what are your ice breakers like?

I was brainstorming with one of my mates and he said maybe a way to get them to remember that initial attraction was sending a picture with the initial icebreaker? I know that's not a social norm of course but we break social norms here do we not?

Also the phone call has worked for me with an Okcupid close (got a date for Monday from it, when she was REALLY pushing to bring her girlfriend round for a bit for our first meeting, which I of course said no too). Should I try running phone game instead of ice breaker texts?

My sets are typically 3-4 minutes before closing (it's really a fiasco with a shit ton going on so I try to close fast), I'm working on building a quicker emotional connection but haven't mastered the "bubble effect" (where it's just you n her and not paying attention to anything else).

 

[Lotus]

My sets are typically 3-4 minutes before closing (it's really a fiasco with a shit ton going on so I try to close fast), I'm working on building a quicker emotional connection but haven't mastered the "bubble effect" (where it's just you n her and not paying attention to anything else).

Generally you aren't going to make a significant impact to get the "bubble effect" in 3-4 minutes, especially with alcohol in the equation.

Spend more time getting to know the girls. It sounds like you are just number grabbing to do it rather then create a connection. If you sense a girl is feeling your vibe stick around.

Yes it's important to understand seduction as a numbers game, but I think some people take it too far. Quality > quantity.

I'd much rather have a couple quality interactions that turn into 2 numbers and 1 date than a bunch of low quality phone numbers that lead to nothing.

Also part of being able to turn phone numbers into dates is relating to the girl that you guys had a connection when you met. If you don't remember anything about the interaction you can't differentiate yourself from other guys and get her out. You are just another guy to her.

-Lotus

 

[Bboy100]

As far as I remember, I've only had ONE girl refuse to give me her number when I asked for it...ever. And that's only because I was being a complete douchebag to her (was trying out being a complete asshole to see if it's an effective strategy...it's not!). In any case, every other girl, including those with BFs have given me their numbers.

Many of them had no intention of replying to texts. I didn't really understand this till a while ago...
There was this dude who kept getting invited to my friend's parties who I always thought he was a complete tool. But for some reason, my friends liked him (initially). Because of that, I always had to hang around him, and as aloof/unfriendly as I would act, he didn't have the social intuition to see that I didn't really like him.

One day, he asked me for my number so I can go drinking with him on his 21st. Without hesitation, I gave it to him. I figured it would be easier to just give him my number than to potentially make a scene/cause unnecessary conflict. But I never intended to reply to him. Then I realized...this must be how all those girls feel when I asked them for their numbers! It was pretty eye-opening for me.

In any case..a phone number means absolutely nothing. Hell...we give our phone numbers to random stores, surveys, online websites...you name it.
I've never personally tried this, but I bet that if you go out and ask for phone numbers...literally just come up to a girl and say "can I have your number". You'll get quite a few "yes"s.

What matters is that you genuinely believe that the girls you talk to want to spend more time with you. So Lotus is right. Focus on having lots of good interactions with girls you like. Don't try so hard to go out and get 100 phone numbers. It's inefficient and terribly frustrating.

Edit: Don't worry about phone calls or sending pictures or anything like that. The time to make an impression is in person. If she's not replying, there's not much you can do over text. Fix your in person interactions instead.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thanks guys! That makes a lot of sense. You know in one of Chase's articles I think I read about while some guys have the "nice guy" problem (becoming friends rather than lovers, and spending waaaaay too much time on one girl), other guys suffer from trying to close a bunch of girls waaaay too quickly. I am unfortunately currently in the 2nd category but moving myself out of it. This is what I will focus on Thursday at the New Years party I'm going too, I'll reread the relevant articles again to have some skills and fundamentals that I'll try to focus on!

Looking forward to going out with ya on Saturday Bboy! Def interested in watching some of your techniques and learning some more!

 

[Estate]

Agreed. Numbers don't mean sh*t unfortunately.

I often have one of those "Aha!" moment the day after a night out where I remember someone I had a short interaction with, male or female. There's so much going on in the space of a few hours you're out that short interactions behind to fade into nothing when you are quite social. Amplify that for cute girls... how many short convos did she have with guys that night? Probably loads! So how did you stand out?

I know some pickup GURUS will say they can get 2 minute number closes and have the girl begging for him by the next day but most of them are full of sh*t. Maybe it happens once in a while but rarely with quality in demand women.

Think... when did you REALLY have a successful night? You probably spent at least a decent amount of time with someone. It wasn't an "approach" by someone you knew for a few minutes in the space of 4 hours out. You probably hit it off and chatted for a bit, got a drink, danced, had a good time with... let's be real here.

I think you should look into much less but more targetted approaches and try to invest a little more time.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I concur, and that has been my successful nights. It's a waste to approach 20 girls and not get shit from it rather than too approach 3 and get 2 dates and a lay. New years party is where I'll be running my new strategy .

I seem to not notice all that many IOI's though, I think I'll also focus on my posture and walk on New Years.

 

[Mr.Rob]

The secret to prevent girls from flaking is to have sex with them in the interaction you met them in.

Not comfortable leading yet? What are you going to do when you get a girl on a date? You're procrastinating learning to lead an interaction.

Next time you go out every girl you talk to you need to try and stick with her until she either goes home with you or tells you to fuck off. You're probably missing opportunities right now to further progress interactions with girls that like you and interested to move things along becausd you're "not comfortable" leading.

Leading is relatively straightforward. Lead a conversation by asking her to tell her things about herself you genuinely want to know. Talk about things that you find funny. Flirt and tease her the right way. Boiled down you could say conversation is having fun without being an entertaing dancing monkey while sharing information about each other for good measure.

Then if you are still talking to her after 5-10 minutes tell her to move with you for reason xyz of your choice. Keep conversing.

Keep moving her around the club or find a cozy spot to chill. If you're still talking after 40 minutes or so invite her home. If she says no, change the subject and ask again 3 minutes later. If she says no again but doesn't leave tell her to stand up and take her hand and say "adventure" and start leading her toward the exit of the club. If she asks where you're taking her tell her jokingly that you're kidnapping her. If she leaves then Pat yourself on the back for going 10 times further than getting a phone number that will flake.

I rarely rarely ever take phone numbers in night game just because there's typically no point unless I meet a girl and we hit it off but for whatever reason can't go home tonight.

Learn to lead an interaction. Stop bailing out of interactions prematurely and start actually becoming a pimp.

Look forward to reading some field reports from you.

 

[tvktvk]

I agree for the most part with what Rob and Estate are saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPUZ7YFpa34

Fuck numberclosing during night game. During night game, phone numbers don't mean shit.
There's only one exception to that rule and that's If you have to cut things short for some reason (must leave club/bar/party early because of school/work/other important stuff) AND you have an amazing interaction with the girl.
Otherwise you should either forget about her or lead the bitch all the way into your bed the same night.

tvktvk

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thanks for the advice guys , I completely agree with that. The 20 numbers I got during nightgame the other weekend literally didn't mean shit, at all. Looking forward to moving interactions to the close from now on!