Girl genuinely too busy to meet, keeps texting me (TEXTS SHOWN)

[Kaida]

This girl that I’m talking to is high interest, plus shes very cute and I like her a lot.


The problem is she has work and can’t meet up over the weekend, but still loves to text me a lot and wants to video call often.


I’m not really sure if I should just throw the ball in her court or keep entertaining the texts until shes free to link (I genuinely think shes busy and not dodging)


Context: I directed the convo towards driving tests and I took that opportunity to find out the logistics about how she would get to our meet up.


It was pretty obvious why I was asking, as I mentioned linking before, and she complied with all the questions anyway. I’m 99% sure she genuinely wants to hang.


Keep in mindwe’re both <18 so we use slang + our texting style might not be what you’re used to.


LINK TO TEXTS (Might be out of order) : https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B15G4Tcsm0C8pow


This wasn’t nowhere close to all the texts (teens text alot) but you get the point.


Notice how even after my implied conversation end, she keeps it going with “how was your day?” she does that a lot


We then have a pretty lengthy back and forth and every text i sent my intuition told me this isnt very good situation to be in.


We facetimed too and I mentioned the link asking her if she was free the following week (admittedly i brought it up probably too much, maybe looked like I wanted it too bad. Im probably fine tho)
she said she was too busy with work.


She even wanted to facetime tonight but my intuition is leaning more towards no more texting so I dodged it.


Should I keep texting or throw the ball in her court?


If its throwing the ball in her court, what kind of text do I send to do that without losing interest? Because It’ll probably be a while till she finds a free day.


P.S

@Chase if you could please make this website a bit more mobile friendly that’d be great.

The reason I had to create a link and embed my texts like that was because there was no easy way to add images through iphone (maybe i just dont know how idk)

Definitely wouldnt mind your input on this situation either

 

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

As far as the specifics, I don't want to tell you what to text. But as a general principle, you don't want to be the one lying around waiting while shes busy. (e.g constantly texting) so you made a right move by not texting.

My suggestion is I'd say get busy yourself. Hobbies, studies, etc and ping her here and there until her schedule opens up and go for the meet up. Some girls are genuinely at work work all the time.

 

[Kaida]

As far as the specifics, I don't want to tell you what to text. But as a general principle, you don't want to be the one lying around waiting while shes busy. (e.g constantly texting) so you made a right move by not texting.

Good to hear. I just went with my gut feeling there.

My suggestion is I'd say get busy yourself. Hobbies, studies, etc and ping her here and there until her schedule opens up and go for the meet up. Some girls are genuinely at work work all the time.

I am pretty busy actually, I have lots of stuff I’m doing.


I was kind of making an exception for this high interest girl because I didnt want attraction to expire and all that so I was focused on keeping in touch.


Ur suggestion is great and was what I initially wanted to do, I just refrained from doing so because I was thinking it would push her into auto rejection, especially cuz teens text differently.


- She probably has experience with guys constantly texting her, if I go cold turkey for a week then ping her, she’ll probably have went into auto rejection thinking I ghosted her before she can even read my ping

 

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

One thing I want to add is it's one of two things.

A. She's genuinely busy.
B. She's making excuses because there's an underlying reason or just wants a text buddy.

You should figure out which one you think it is and either be persistent or drop.

In my opinion there's an underlying reason for why she's being a bit dodgy and if you keep asking her out without addressing it, she'll feel like you don't understand her and may auto-reject.

So if you think she's really highly interested, it might be that she's nervous to meet you.
In which case she will keep talking to you but avoid seeing you in person in fear of messing things up.

In response you just want to be warm to her and get her comfortable with you which could be done over text or over the phone.
This includes getting to know her and letting her know what you like about her.
And try asking her out again at a later time.

If not, you should take a step back and see if she is genuinely interested in you or playing a game so that you can respond accordingly.

 

[Kaida]

One thing I want to add is it's one of two things.

A. She's genuinely busy.
B. She's making excuses because there's an underlying reason or just wants a text buddy.

You should figure out which one you think it is and either be persistent or drop.

In my opinion there's an underlying reason for why she's being a bit dodgy and if you keep asking her out without addressing it, she'll feel like you don't understand her and may auto-reject.

So if you think she's really highly interested, it might be that she's nervous to meet you.
In which case she will keep talking to you but avoid seeing you in person in fear of messing things up.

In response you just want to be warm to her and get her comfortable with you which could be done over text or over the phone.
This includes getting to know her and letting her know what you like about her.
And try asking her out again at a later time.

If not, you should take a step back and see if she is genuinely interested in you or playing a game so that you can respond accordingly.

Alright I sent another message, lmk what u think. Im pretty happy with it

Image: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B15G6XBubsiKXWD

 

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

If she respond, update us

 

[Kaida]

If she respond, update us

She responded. I feel tooled by her lower effort. Maybe my message was a little uncalibrated, i dont know.


Image: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B15G6XBubsiKXWD


I just left her on read and dont plan to text her back until she texts me. Her turn to move it forward


Edit: Okay, jumped to conclusions a little too fast, she texted again:


https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B15GY8gBY0LmGOq

I suggested we go to a mall (good choice?).

I replied with a change because the place she / I suggested was terrible for a date (I suggested it first lol, but realized it was a shitty idea mb. shouldnt hurt me too bad tho)

 

[Lobo]

You are too abundant over text.

Say you gave someone a limitless resource... would they lift rocks and clear the path just to get to that same resource?

Definetly not, right?

Why go through all that effort for something you already have... in abundance?

Well, that's what you're doing with your attention. The girl knows she occupies your mind and for her, the validation of that is enough to keep her going. Why do you think she loves to prolong the conversation and keep you in it?

I say the odds here are already not in your favor because you've already set the bounds of this relationship to undervalue your attention.

You want the girl to move rocks for your attention, which means she'll call in sick just to suck your cock. As a mastery-focused seducer, it's not about "her being busy," it's about building her compliance so she'll do what it takes(ie comply) to be with you.

If the girl wanted your attention but knew she couldn't get it UNLESS she meets up with you(and sucks your cock), then she WILL do it.

But here, she's getting her fair dosage at the push of a button.

So it's not a texting problem here, it is fundamentally a strategy problem.

Your attention has to be valuable, which means you can't be tossing it out like candy for a girl who isn't bouncing on your dick or worst, not even agreeing to meet up with you.

and your best attention, the crème de la crème, has to be reserved for when she is showing the most compliance(like when you are fucking her). Otherwise, you should stay cold, or lukewarm.

 

[Rakehell]

I feel like girls chase isn’t really engineered toward younger girls. You can make it work but alot of stuff is gonna fly over girls heads.

When I was field testing stuff in high school, what worked best for me was keeping my texting inconsistent, and gaming in person, sometimes I might reward a girl with a phone call randomly.

Keep it simple and focus on your fundamentals, you’ll really stand out because most teenagers and plenty more adults just don’t understand attraction. Deep diving can work really well, as well as hot/cold behavior, mixing passioned interest with disinterest. Physicality and eye contact/ being comfortable around them will go a long way.

Talk to a lot of girl’s and get pre selection while in school too. You can isolate at school games, after school, during lunch if she’s not with her friends, or even in between periods. You can even convince girls to skip a class to hangout with you somewhere isolated. I wouldn’t rely on setting “dates” outside of school because alot of girl’s parents are just gonna be too difficult. If anything angle for a hangout at their place or your place when their parents aren’t around.

Don’t be the guy who’s texting her all day. Even when I was anti social and had no knowledge of game I was with girls while they facetimed some poor guy she never planned on getting with.

 

[Kaida]

I feel like girls chase isn’t really engineered toward younger girls. You can make it work but alot of stuff is gonna fly over girls heads.

When I was field testing stuff in high school, what worked best for me was keeping my texting inconsistent, and gaming in person, sometimes I might reward a girl with a phone call randomly.

Keep it simple and focus on your fundamentals, you’ll really stand out because most teenagers and plenty more adults just don’t understand attraction. Deep diving can work really well, as well as hot/cold behavior, mixing passioned interest with disinterest. Physicality and eye contact/ being comfortable around them will go a long way.

Talk to a lot of girl’s and get pre selection while in school too. You can isolate at school games, after school, during lunch if she’s not with her friends, or even in between periods. You can even convince girls to skip a class to hangout with you somewhere isolated. I wouldn’t rely on setting “dates” outside of school because alot of girl’s parents are just gonna be too difficult. If anything angle for a hangout at their place or your place when their parents aren’t around.

Don’t be the guy who’s texting her all day. Even when I was anti social and had no knowledge of game I was with girls while they facetimed some poor guy she never planned on getting with.

Hella emphasis on that last part.


I’ve honestly not really been texting girls until recently since I saw a lot of my friends having somewhat success with it. I’m mostly an in person gamer myself as well.


I was using girlschase strategies to set up dates, but I quickly learned exactly what u were talking about - parents are too difficult. I’ll do more isolating in places like school.

Thanks for the response it was very helpful

 

[Kaida]

You are too abundant over text.

Say you gave someone a limitless resource... would they lift rocks and clear the path just to get to that same resource?

Definetly not, right?

Why go through all that effort for something you already have... in abundance?

Well, that's what you're doing with your attention. The girl knows she occupies your mind and for her, the validation of that is enough to keep her going. Why do you think she loves to prolong the conversation and keep you in it?

I say the odds here are already not in your favor because you've already set the bounds of this relationship to undervalue your attention.

You want the girl to move rocks for your attention, which means she'll call in sick just to suck your cock. As a mastery-focused seducer, it's not about "her being busy," it's about building her compliance so she'll do what it takes(ie comply) to be with you.

If the girl wanted your attention but knew she couldn't get it UNLESS she meets up with you(and sucks your cock), then she WILL do it.

But here, she's getting her fair dosage at the push of a button.

So it's not a texting problem here, it is fundamentally a strategy problem.

Your attention has to be valuable, which means you can't be tossing it out like candy for a girl who isn't bouncing on your dick or worst, not even agreeing to meet up with you.

and your best attention, the crème de la crème, has to be reserved for when she is actively complying with you(like when you are fucking her). Otherwise, you should stay cold, or lukewarm.

Very very helpful response. I could feel this deep in my subconcious but I couldn’t really bring it out.


Shes not responded to my last message for a while now and I think its because of the reasons you listed.


I’m fairly preselected in our social circle environment, so that has a chance to make my attention valuable again. Now that I fully understand what went wrong, I’ll make my attention start from a much lower baseline than before.


2 questions @Lobo:

1. How do I act when I see her in social circle again? I’d look butthurt or scared if I ignored her, but I still want to regain the value of my attention


2. Do you have any body language tips or anything I can do to send mixed messages and modulate the attention I give? I’m really bad with mixed signals

 

[Lobo]

Yea, I remember a post of yours from a while back, you're on a team correct?

If its for a popular sport you're natutally like a celebrity. Regardles your internal frame and the way you act should be the same.

Your attention is a limited resource, and its the most valuable resource on the planet.

Mixed signals come hard to me, I usually get girls by starting off low heat and slowly turning it up the more compliant she gets

Reading signals is important and its challenging as well.

Its like if you've ever heard of quantum theory, a quantum bit can be anything until it is looked at(or framed). Once its looked at,(framed) it will permanently be that number, uncertainty is gone, and reality is set.

So it's extremely important that before you peak in the box to see what's inside and create the wrong reality, you do some frame jujitsu to forcefully claw out the outcome you want.

Ie, recognizing the signals may be important, but its really about how YOU frame it in reaction.

If you're frame control is stronger, then you will permanently set the reality for that interaction.

The girl will always be calibrating to your reactions and the frame that you set through them.

Thereore lets say she's playing hard to get or not complying, if you then react by rewarding her with your valuable attention, you not only condition her to act in this way because shes associating non-compliance with positive emotions, but you're also framing her mixed signal in a platonic way because she dodged your attempt at escalation, yet here you are... feeding her attention.

As for body language, this topic is huge and I feel I've only scratched the surface. Mastering this will revolutionize your game and your day to day interactions because it truly is the least effort.
Additionally before humans learned to speak, they were communicating through their body language, and their hands.

Actually every animal is doing this, and body language is a way you can even communicate with animals that can't speak. See this man dominating a lion on its own turf. Or me causing civil unrest with just my eyes. It's all body language and humans react to it the same as any other animal does.

That said, when it comes to attention, you have quite a few tools at your disposal.

You have the infamous bored look, which I remember abusing back in a college frat party as a freshman to sleep with a senior.(she thought i was a new senior because of my body language, and my fundamentals did help).

Seriously powerul stuff to elevate your status and both men and women recognize it. One of my favs.

You also have your general body positioning fundamentals and calibration. This happens in two parts.

1) Where your head is facing. Are you looking at her from the corner of your eyes, or head on(or not at all as with the bored look)
2) Where your torso is facing. The front of your chest carries a certain level of energy with it that cannot be understated. Think of it like shooting a kamehameha blast at all times. If your torso is directly facing someone, they are taking all of that in.
With guys this usually brews discomfort...
With girls, if they are complying, this creates arousal.

Using this understanding, use your body language as a tool to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior.
ie, is she complying, or is she resisting. And resisting in this sense is everything but complying and moving forward with you. The train doesn't stop.

And yes this is pretty much like dogs and operant conditioning, if this unnerves you, then you're not in it to win and you'd rather live on a fantasy.

Because girls are doing the exact same thing to you.

Your girl is rewarding your compliance by appearing interested in your day. This keeps you texting, because it feels good. Nobody actually gives a fuck about how someone elses day went if they're asking "how's your day." It's such a basic and untargeted question.

But back to body language, you should also learn about awareness radius. This buttons up the two other things I mentioned nicely and it is key to appearing high value, generating compliance, and even getting IOIs and AIs.

And theres much more. This article goes deep into sexy body language, the kind that makes girls want to comply to you. There you'll find importwnt things you wouldn't normally think about like:

• Tone of voice(do you sound bored, or aroused)
• Physical distance from the girl. You can do a takeaway to punish
• Your timing. Slow movements are certainly more captivating and communicate something different that fast ones. See my report I linked above for an example.

But yea, body language goes DEEP. Now that i think of it, even your breathing communicates something about you... your blinking...

Ever see a cat slowly blink at you... exactly.

Definitely something worth becoming adept at. For your immidiate situation I would focus on the head and torso positioning I mentioned earlier.

I'd write more, but I've got to work out.

 

[Lobo]

Just saw your first question, I would act like nothing happen but talk other girls in front of her, and other high status indicators.

Keep your peripherals on her to see how the jealousy plot is working. You want her vexed just enough that you've won some compliance but not to much that she loses hope.

Then you can leave your pawn and talk to your target while the pawn watches. You've doubled your opportunities now. In your set with her try to do a compliance ask semi early, like a "hey... can I see that real quick" while having an inquisitive face and somewhat pointing to a bracelet earing or necklace. Then dial up the heat when she complies.

This means juicy eye contact, warm touch, and position your body towards her.

If she refuses, get bored, turn away a bit. If she tried to reengage, good your still in the game. Rinse and repeat with a similar level compliance ask. Like a wave your hand to whisper something raunchy in her ear.

If not. Go back to your pawn, you still have work to do.

 

[Skills]

girl is high interest and try to get to know you, she is trying to keep the momentum going, she is just busy...

and you take every chance to hard close..

her: hi just got out form work how are you doing?

you: when can we meet...

^ this is a flawed strategy i am tired of repeating myself you guys sound autistic doing this... She will get turn off as you continue with this flawed strategy...

Simple/basic texting guide

There are 2 types of texting most guys use: 1.- long texting setting sexual frames.- This is hard to do, but is possible to do with experience. I had to rely in this style for 2 reasons: a.-) I relied a lot on physical game, no talking dance floor game and i had a heavy latin accent. b.-) By...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Skjöldr]

You are too abundant over text.

Say you gave someone a limitless resource... would they lift rocks and clear the path just to get to that same resource?

Definetly not, right?

Why go through all that effort for something you already have... in abundance?

Well, that's what you're doing with your attention. The girl knows she occupies your mind and for her, the validation of that is enough to keep her going. Why do you think she loves to prolong the conversation and keep you in it?

I say the odds here are already not in your favor because you've already set the bounds of this relationship to undervalue your attention.

You want the girl to move rocks for your attention, which means she'll call in sick just to suck your cock. As a mastery-focused seducer, it's not about "her being busy," it's about building her compliance so she'll do what it takes(ie comply) to be with you.

If the girl wanted your attention but knew she couldn't get it UNLESS she meets up with you(and sucks your cock), then she WILL do it.

But here, she's getting her fair dosage at the push of a button.

So it's not a texting problem here, it is fundamentally a strategy problem.

Your attention has to be valuable, which means you can't be tossing it out like candy for a girl who isn't bouncing on your dick or worst, not even agreeing to meet up with you.

and your best attention, the crème de la crème, has to be reserved for when she is showing the most compliance(like when you are fucking her). Otherwise, you should stay cold, or lukewarm.

Good stuff

 

[TomInHo]

This is something I've learned with dealing with younger vs older women

Younger women will typically use sex as a means to get they guy, while older women will use sex to get sex. The thing about women is that although they all love sex, what they love the most is... ATTENTION

This means you need to value your attention and use it as bait to get sex.

And with your texting style, you're way too available. The moment she texts you is the moment you go straight for the close. You don't tease her with your attention and withhold some of it to motivate her to want to see you in person

This is why the Banter > Soft Close > Hard Close texting style works so well. You give her a preview of what it would be like to be with you. And if she declines your soft close, you simply withdraw your attention for a little bit to increase her desire..

And after a few rounds of this, she will learn that if she doesn't comply with what you want, she gets less of what she wants.

This is how you can get a girl that's initially on the fence to meet you for coffee, to all of a sudden being willing to come straight to your house to suck your dick at 11PM.

So what I suggest is for you to..

1) Clean up your text game by using Banter > Soft Close > Hard Close

2) If she's hesitant with the soft close, show disinterest for a bit and increase the challenge, then use another form of banter to emotionally stimulate her

3) When Bantering, you should cycle between things like building rapport, qualifying, setting sexual frames, setting nonjudgmental frames, setting chase frames to keep and build her investment. Each girl responds strongly to each style a little different, so if you're not getting anywhere with your current style of bantering, switch it up until you find something that sticks

4) Rinse and Repeat the BSH texting cycle until she's dying to meet up with you. If you do this well, you'll notice girls will become more aggressive with trying to setup a date with you.

5) If she rejects your soft close 2-3 times, then you can do a ball in her court message to test her interest and build more investment...

For example

"Looks like you have a lot on your plate. My schedule is also getting ridiculous with all the time I'm devoting to a passion project. But hit me later when things clear up and I'll setup a time to meet that works for both of us"

When doing the ball in your court message, make sure to pace her reality but also make it clear that your time is also valuable. Then sit back and wait and never text again until she does..

Doing this I've had girls reach out more eager to setup a date from a few hours to months later after sending this text. No matter what don't break the silence until she does, so it's a good idea to build as much prior investment as possible before busting this out to increase the chance of increasing her compliance

5) Get multiple girls in your pipeline because some girls will close faster than others. And having a non needy frame is key to making this work

 

[Kaida]

Ie, recognizing the signals may be important, but its really about how YOU frame it in reaction.

What I meant was that I'm bad at giving mixed signals / push pulling lol. I hear so much about push-pull and stuff but it always comes out strange when I do it.

1) Where your head is facing. Are you looking at her from the corner of your eyes, or head on(or not at all as with the bored look)
2) Where your torso is facing. The front of your chest carries a certain level of energy with it that cannot be understated. Think of it like shooting a kamehameha blast at all times. If your torso is directly facing someone, they are taking all of that in.
With guys this usually brews discomfort...
With girls, if they are complying, this creates arousal.

Does your head positioning have a kind of "blast" too? I always read that you should be looking at women out the corner of your eye. Is the blast for your eyes at an angle?

resisting in this sense is everything but complying and moving forward with you. The train doesn't stop

Hmmm good note good note

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And yes this is pretty much like dogs and operant conditioning, if this unnerves you, then you're not in it to win and you'd rather live on a fantasy.

Because girls are doing the exact same thing to you.

Your girl is rewarding your compliance by appearing interested in your day. This keeps you texting, because it feels good. Nobody actually gives a fuck about how someone elses day went if they're asking "how's your day." It's such a basic and untargeted question.

You may have just pointed out a major flaw in my game. Now I gotta be more careful of when I'm reacting to girls rewarding me for what they want me to do.

You have the infamous bored look, which I remember abusing back in a college frat party as a freshman to sleep with a senior.(she thought i was a new senior because of my body language, and my fundamentals did help).

Damn now that I'm thinking about it, the bored look has many practical applications i havent thought of. I think I ignored it before because I found that article lacking in detail on how to actually pull off the facial expression.

 

[Kaida]

This means you need to value your attention and use it as bait to get sex.

And with your texting style, you're way too available. The moment she texts you is the moment you go straight for the close. You don't tease her with your attention and withhold some of it to motivate her to want to see you in person

So you're saying I should not go straight for the close? If so, that's a good note. I thought going straight for the close made me look like I'm not one to waste time (thus making my time valuable), but really it just makes me look overeager to meet up with her.

This is why the Banter > Soft Close > Hard Close texting style works so well. You give her a preview of what it would be like to be with you. And if she declines your soft close, you simply withdraw your attention for a little bit to increase her desire..

Can you please explain soft close and hard close

And after a few rounds of this, she will learn that if she doesn't comply with what you want, she gets less of what she wants.

This is how you can get a girl that's initially on the fence to meet you for coffee, to all of a sudden being willing to come straight to your house to suck your dick at 11PM.

Oh so it seems if your way of meeting a girl is through text, the way to add value to your attention is by making your attention seem high quality (banter) and also making it seem scarce (the takeaway) and you just loop that over and over until she gets compliant

2) If she's hesitant with the soft close, show disinterest for a bit and increase the challenge, then use another form of banter to emotionally stimulate her

By show disinterest do you mean just ignore her for a bit or actively show disinterest in some other verbal way? It seems impossible to really show disinterest actively over text, as you texting her in and of itself is validating to her. I may be wrong here

"Looks like you have a lot on your plate. My schedule is also getting ridiculous with all the time I'm devoting to a passion project. But hit me later when things clear up and I'll setup a time to meet that works for both of us"

When doing the ball in your court message, make sure to pace her reality but also make it clear that your time is also valuable. Then sit back and wait and never text again until she does..

Doing this I've had girls reach out more eager to setup a date from a few hours to months later after sending this text. No matter what don't break the silence until she does, so it's a good idea to build as much prior investment as possible before busting this out to increase the chance of increasing her compliance

Ahhh, so it works. I would have done this ages ago but I kept reminding myself that attractions expires quickly. It seems there are some exceptions to expiration, you mind explaining why?

5) Get multiple girls in your pipeline because some girls will close faster than others. And having a non needy frame is key to making this work

Yeah I got like 5 girls I'm texting since she stopped replying lol. Shes barely on my mind anymore.

 

[TomInHo]

So you're saying I should not go straight for the close? If so, that's a good note. I thought going straight for the close made me look like I'm not one to waste time (thus making my time valuable), but really it just makes me look overeager to meet up with her.

Showing intent is attractive but if you always go for the hard close without testing her buying temperature, you run the risk of the girl building negative compliance and getting used to saying NO to you. Which is obviously not good

Can you please explain soft close and hard close

The above is an example on BANTER, using qualification and building compliance by making her guess

Then see how I seeded the idea of us potentially meeting up = SOFT CLOSE

When I got enough information to see her interest, I went for a more direct close.

Also notice how she helped me throughout the process = HARD CLOSE

Oh so it seems if your way of meeting a girl is through text, the way to add value to your attention is by making your attention seem high quality (banter) and also making it seem scarce (the takeaway) and you just loop that over and over until she gets compliant

I use this same strategy with girls I meet online, at night and also in social circle.

By show disinterest do you mean just ignore her for a bit or actively show disinterest in some other verbal way? It seems impossible to really show disinterest actively over text, as you texting her in and of itself is validating to her. I may be wrong here

I can show disinterest by ghosting her for a few days if it was an obvious BS excuse, or may switch to more stoic and concise responses.

Never show that you're butt-hurt, but let the girl know through your actions/texts that you could be losing interest. Think of it like a bored look done through text like @Lobo was referring to

Ahhh, so it works. I would have done this ages ago but I kept reminding myself that attractions expires quickly. It seems there are some exceptions to expiration, you mind explaining why?

I tend to think of attraction expiring when girls are compliant. If they're are not following your lead, you need to focus on raising their buying temperature until they do so.

I think the whole attraction expiration thing is vey relevant to beginners and intermediates that tend to lean on the side of being too passive and risk averse. But as you get more advanced you need to learn how to read a girls signs and make appropriate moves based on what she is giving you.... A.K.A Calibration

Yeah I got like 5 girls I'm texting since she stopped replying lol. Shes barely on my mind anymore.

Awesome! Means more girls to practice with

 

[CassieDon]

I like what @SunKing and @TomInHo have said. However, manage your expectations. Being too available for too long could have fucked you up. You guys are teenagers, so your perception of time isn't like an adult's, it feels like forever. You'll come across as unauthentic, trying to be different. You might be accused of "not being yourself", or something to that effect.

No contact might be essential in your case. Being teenagers/young helps, because it will feel like forever. Do other things, perhaps something to improve your future prospects. Talk to other girls and leave a great impression. She will know about it and feel like she is missing out. 2 weeks should suffice, imo.

Then implement what the gents recommended. But for do not fall back into being too available!

While this could work with teens/young women. It also depends on the type of woman. Think of it as the general framework, but a pure no contact may not work with someone right after a big fight that you've not resolved, for instance. Or someone insecure about "fuckbois" and you clearly act like that.

So you will clearly have to modify your approach to some extent, imo.

If it helps, I've noticed that since focusing on myself and viewing my attention as time/money, I choose to ration, I've noticed a much warmer reception. Especially when I straight ignore women. Even when they try to get hold of me, I grade it in terms of priority. Most of the time in my head, I dismiss it as "low priority attention seeking shit".

Using a preview function on your choice of messaging app helps. Sometimes I let them know I meant to reply, but I had to deal with other things, but I will soon. You want to show your time is valuable. But have something to show for time. A guy who pretends to be busy will be found out and laughed at. But this depends on your social perception. If you're a lazy person and everyone knows you are, it is an uphill battle. Unless you plan to reframe as making your life better.

I feel like girls chase isn’t really engineered toward younger girls. You can make it work but alot of stuff is gonna fly over girls heads.

When I was field testing stuff in high school, what worked best for me was keeping my texting inconsistent, and gaming in person, sometimes I might reward a girl with a phone call randomly.

Keep it simple and focus on your fundamentals, you’ll really stand out because most teenagers and plenty more adults just don’t understand attraction. Deep diving can work really well, as well as hot/cold behavior, mixing passioned interest with disinterest. Physicality and eye contact/ being comfortable around them will go a long way.

Talk to a lot of girl’s and get pre selection while in school too. You can isolate at school games, after school, during lunch if she’s not with her friends, or even in between periods. You can even convince girls to skip a class to hangout with you somewhere isolated. I wouldn’t rely on setting “dates” outside of school because alot of girl’s parents are just gonna be too difficult. If anything angle for a hangout at their place or your place when their parents aren’t around.

Don’t be the guy who’s texting her all day. Even when I was anti social and had no knowledge of game I was with girls while they facetimed some poor guy she never planned on getting with.

IMO, this could also work with women who, due to income for cultural reasons, live at home with their parents, tbh.

I'd say it can work with younger girls. Depending on the calibre of women. The GC content, the way I understand, it is to help us get it and we tailor it to the women we want to get. We needn't assume all young women will be amazing conversationalists!

Your last part needs to be a sticky.

This is something I've learned with dealing with younger vs older women

Younger women will typically use sex as a means to get they guy, while older women will use sex to get sex. The thing about women is that although they all love sex, what they love the most is... ATTENTION

This means you need to value your attention and use it as bait to get sex.

And with your texting style, you're way too available. The moment she texts you is the moment you go straight for the close. You don't tease her with your attention and withhold some of it to motivate her to want to see you in person

This is why the Banter > Soft Close > Hard Close texting style works so well. You give her a preview of what it would be like to be with you. And if she declines your soft close, you simply withdraw your attention for a little bit to increase her desire..

And after a few rounds of this, she will learn that if she doesn't comply with what you want, she gets less of what she wants.

This is how you can get a girl that's initially on the fence to meet you for coffee, to all of a sudden being willing to come straight to your house to suck your dick at 11PM.

So what I suggest is for you to..

1) Clean up your text game by using Banter > Soft Close > Hard Close

2) If she's hesitant with the soft close, show disinterest for a bit and increase the challenge, then use another form of banter to emotionally stimulate her

3) When Bantering, you should cycle between things like building rapport, qualifying, setting sexual frames, setting nonjudgmental frames, setting chase frames to keep and build her investment. Each girl responds strongly to each style a little different, so if you're not getting anywhere with your current style of bantering, switch it up until you find something that sticks

4) Rinse and Repeat the BSH texting cycle until she's dying to meet up with you. If you do this well, you'll notice girls will become more aggressive with trying to setup a date with you.

5) If she rejects your soft close 2-3 times, then you can do a ball in her court message to test her interest and build more investment...

For example

"Looks like you have a lot on your plate. My schedule is also getting ridiculous with all the time I'm devoting to a passion project. But hit me later when things clear up and I'll setup a time to meet that works for both of us"

When doing the ball in your court message, make sure to pace her reality but also make it clear that your time is also valuable. Then sit back and wait and never text again until she does..

Doing this I've had girls reach out more eager to setup a date from a few hours to months later after sending this text. No matter what don't break the silence until she does, so it's a good idea to build as much prior investment as possible before busting this out to increase the chance of increasing her compliance

5) Get multiple girls in your pipeline because some girls will close faster than others. And having a non needy frame is key to making this work

Your part about attention also needs to be a sticky.

Though with both women, I found that if they like you enough, they will use sex to get you, if they feel it will get you. Older women will do it if you fully convince them they're sexy; younger women know they are sexy.

Point #5 is pretty interesting, tbh. Though, there seems to be wiggle room to randomly check in to say something made you think about the last chat. It must be real! If you have multiple girls, make sure you've got a spreadsheet, or OneNote/EverNote with some details so you don't jumble up information!