Great Escalation, Make-Out, And She Walked-Away

[omgroflcopter]

Don't really know if I did anything wrong here but I'll post about it anyway too see if anyone can give me some thoughts or advice. Went out solo Friday night, around 1am I walk into the club and am looking for a target. I'm standing there briefly before I notice this girl staring at me. I stare back kind of not believing I'm getting this much of an IOI. When she doesn't break eye contact I'm like, I guess she likes me, I go up and say something kind of cocky about her staring at me. We flirt for a while with some small talk. I touch her tattoos. Nothing to unusual. My escalation was going pretty well though. I then talked about traveling or something and showed her my necklace from New Zealand to convert high value and adventure and all that. At this point I really hit the escalation window and I could see her staring me down with the fuck me eyes. I had already moved her by putting her back against the wall and me standing really close to her. So when she gave me the eyes I obviously went for the kiss. We make out for about a minute. I pull away do some push and pull stuff. Although I really haven't kissed a girl in months so I was definitely rusty and not outwardly nervous but maybe my vibe wasn't completely right. Anyway after a minute or two whatever it was. We stopped kissing for a moment. She pulls me in gives me one last like bite on the lip sexy kiss and then she fades into the line of people walking and walks right out the front door.

I was proud of myself with the escalation ladder throughout this one. It went pretty smooth until the end. My thoughts are it was either just out of my control or my vibe wasn't completely there as I am still a beginner and am coming off a very cold streak.

 

[Space]

You didn't make out with her at a sex location (your place or her place).

 

[omgroflcopter]

You didn't make out with her at a sex location (your place or her place).

Interesting theory. Is this feasible though when I have a clear escalation window? Am I suppose to not make out with her and invite her back to my place? I get the fact that if we were to begin make out at my place the odds of a lay are astronomically higher, but am I really supposed to go for an invite back, before a makeout when there is a clear window for it?

It almost seems out of flow to me to invite her back first, I also didn't screen her for logistics. This would have helped in this realm. But ya I'm genuinely curious if I should have done the invite back before the make out.

 

[Space]

Interesting theory. Is this feasible though when I have a clear escalation window?

To clarify I'm just a beginner to mid-intermediate guy here and I'm not that well in this school of PUA terminology ("escalation window"). Not to mention not all schools of PUA subscribe to this way of thinking. I better pass this one on to the elders.

It almost seems out of flow to me to invite her back first, I also didn't screen her for logistics. This would have helped in this realm. But ya I'm genuinely curious if I should have done the invite back before the make out.

But this is a high probability yes. So yeah.

At the non sex location that is the club, escalate slowly. Lot's of tips in this thread.

 

[omgroflcopter]

To clarify I'm just a beginner to mid-intermediate guy here and I'm not that well in this school of PUA terminology ("escalation window"). Not to mention not all schools of PUA subscribe to this way of thinking. I better pass this one on to the elders.


But this is a high probability yes. So yeah.

At the non sex location that is the club, escalate slowly. Lot's of tips in this thread.

Nah it makes a lot of sense. I didn't even think about this. Thanks for the info. I remember reading about this before now.

 

[ElderPrice]

In my opinion, I think you're overthinking it.

What you wrote doesn't sound like you committed any egregious errors. Probably just an outlier girl seeking validation or something.

Before worrying about your game, try replicating this scenario. Meaning, if the next 5-10 girls you meet at the club and make out with at the club all give you a final kiss and then turn and walk away, then we can begin exploring that you're doing something wrong. But if you make out with 10 more girls and 5 of them easily go home with you, then we can say alright, that one girl was just probably being weird

 

[HeartRipper]

You didn't make out with her at a sex location (your place or her place).

Spot on. I agree.

Or like @ElderPrice mentioned, maybe she was just a girl on a high. You had a small interaction, no moving, less investment...then 1-minute makeout (too long in a public setting. Kiss a little, pull away and invite her home).

 

[naturalmikey]

one thing i would’ve done differently would have been instead of putting her against the wall i would have grabbed her and spun her around to where you are the one who is against the wall. this is called locking in. a concept i believe mystery came up with. when you’re locked in it creates the impression she is gaming you. i would’ve locked in before kissing and wouldn’t not kissed her unless she kissed you first.

also i wouldn’t kiss for very long. multiple small kisses spread out over time keep her wanting more. a long makeout gives her the validation she needed. in her mind “we’ll i could’ve had him.”

 

[Hue]

In high energy club settings, short makeouts are a tool to keep her roped into you. As mikey points out, you can't give her that long makeout - it's too much validation.

The best method IMO (if you're going for this kind of thing in a club) is to makeout a little bit here, a little bit there, and move her around the club, sprinkling in leaving the club and reframing any objections she might be having (such as leaving her friends and why that's okay / she'll text them).

Once you've left the club and you're walking to your house, keep a similar pace and degree of escalation. Once you're home slam her against the wall and go the fuck in (this is if you've already been escalating - there are times when you're not done seducing her just because she's at your house).

Or, if you call an uber, you can turn up the dial in the car a good bit as well. Only thing is this might spike arousal too early depending how long your trip is. You don't want to get to your place and the spike be on it's way down.


Hue

 

[Fuck This]

Girls who don't go home with you after a makeout at the Bar/club or whatever fall into 3 categories:

• Validation/attention seekers. They vanish without a numbe or sometimes even a name
• ASD girls there with friends and don't want to look like a trollop.
• Girl who wants a relationship and not a ONS. They slept with someone that night and they dropped her and she's not letting that happen again. You WILL get her number and she WILL call and text you back with the express desire of seeing you again.