Height Issues

[demigod]

So I'm kinda on the short end of human beings where I'm from at 170cm (and height is only ever a relative issue). I'm wondering if anyone has some workaround, some girls have mentioned this in the past and its kind of a shitty thing since I don't have much control over it (sure you can get LL but lets try not go that route for now)

I heard many different comments regarding height and game (and life in general, apparently being below average in your social circumstances actually limits career prospects). I don't want to sound like those /r/short cucks but hell, I'm not having much success with the women. (Where I'm they generally are about my height or a few inches taller) I can't help but think height is the one factor that's detracting significantly from attractiveness.

Maybe my fundamentals are lacking, I don't know, but I've seen guys stumble their way into bed with only very weak game (only thing being they are significantly taller)

Keen to hear your thoughts.

Cheers

 

[Hue]

demigod,

While it's generally believed that taller = better, it's not always true nor a reason a guy can't get laid.

I heard many different comments regarding height and game (and life in general, apparently being below average in your social circumstances actually limits career prospects). I don't want to sound like those /r/short cucks but hell, I'm not having much success with the women. (Where I'm they generally are about my height or a few inches taller) I can't help but think height is the one factor that's detracting significantly from attractiveness.

I've read similar statistics, but a lot of times you have to say fuck the statistics. Be the outlier. Those statistics show averages regarding height and success with women/career, so go and be beyond average, ya feel?

You've been a forum member for 2 years, I'm sure you know there's TONS of ways to be attractive, demigod.

Maybe my fundamentals are lacking, I don't know, but I've seen guys stumble their way into bed with only very weak game (only thing being they are significantly taller)

There's always exceptions, and there's always sometimes freebies. I also know a tall handsome dude who will have chicks throw themselves at him when I see him at the bar (but most of them are kinda gross), and he'll fuck em all given the chance - the kid has poor social skills and no game to save his life.

It goes back to the one of the cornerstones of this sight, which is about finding what methods of attraction work for you.

Here's some articles that may help you out on the main sight, if you haven't read them already / brushed up on them.

How to date as a short guy

5 ways short guys can do great with girls


PS: Women have concerns about their height, too.

Short girls vs Tall girls

 

[MrRapo]

Im 171cm, and live in the Netherlands, which has the tallest people on average in the world. men are on average 183cm and the women 170cm.

I dont have problem pickin up women that are taller them me. I use to have yes, back when my fundamentals were really bad. Women would reject me and say that Im short and shit. Nowadays I don't hear much girls telling me I'm to short. When it does l will just treat it as a shittest, and proceed like normal.

In my experience being short has some advantages. I can be a lot more aggressive and sexual with taller girls and get away with it. When my taller friends do that, most girls find it creepy or threatening.

 

[demigod]

Thanks guys, yeah this really helps. I'll read those articles, think I have read them before but the core obviously didn't set in.
Have any of you ever dated a taller chick? BF standards are a bit different than one night stands.

 

[MrRapo]

Thanks guys, yeah this really helps. I'll read those articles, think I have read them before but the core obviously didn't set in.
Have any of you ever dated a taller chick? BF standards are a bit different than one night stands.

I will give you few examples from my experience:

Girl A, she was 175cm with heels 180cm+, I approached her at the college campus during the day. she was sitting on a bench. So at that time I didn't know she was taller than me
On our first date, she immediately mentioned my height, and I brush it off. dated her for 2 months. She was kind of insecure and kept mentioning that im short. It was getting annoying so I stopped dating her.

Girl B, she is 173 cm, also likes to wear heels and she was my dance partner. We had a 6 months fwb relationship ( does this count?) she was the one that asked me out, which was refreshing. really confident girl, didn't care that I was shorter than her.

Girl C, she was 185 cm, doesn't wear heels. dated for few weeks. Did'nt mentioned my height, but l could feel it was bothering her. Which I understand. it was a huge difference between use. I also didn't like it. did not feel manly. Eventually we stopped dating, she gave me some lame excuse.

Personally for relationship I prefer a girl thats not taller than 175 cm ( excluding heels) anything higher than that, l wont feel manly
For one night stands, height doesn't matter to me.

 

[lostnumber]

I'm 192 CM and can say I have never dated a girl taller than myself

Being a tall guy I can't comment on the trials and tribulations of being short, but I'll tell you that my height did absolutely nothing for me until I fixed the rest of my fundamentals. Its certainly an edge, but so are lots of other things. I think the awesome thing about learning the game is it really can overcome all but the most serious handicaps given enough experience and skill.

An analogy I like to use is the sport I compete in, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Are bigger, stronger, and more athletically gifted guys better than non-athletic small guys of the same skill level? Well, at the novice level a big athletic guy will crush the small guy with more limited physical talents into the ground and it will be embarrassing to watch, yes. But a funny thing happens. The higher up you go, the less weight and size matter. They never stop mattering entirely, but as the relative skill level of people increases, the importance of these raw physical attributes decreases and decreases until the differences are so minute that they might as well be irrelevant to a casual observer. At the elite levels, being significantly stronger and bigger than your opponent might mean the difference between 1 guard pass to win the match. Hardly the same as at the novice level where a bigger stronger guy will manhandle and embarrass his opponent.

Hell, Jacare Souza was a multiple time champion at no weight limit while competing at 88KG! He routinely faced guys of 100-110KG and defeated them. There are also plenty of elite guys such as Marcelo Garcia who have medaled in the absolute division at the world championships who weigh 84KG or less, again sometimes giving up 30+KG to their opponents. And to us mortals the slight advantage that might exist to the bigger and stronger competitors doesn't make a lick of difference; I guarantee you that the world champion at 57KG would thrash my 88KG blue belt ass just as badly as the 100KG+ champion would

I think of game the same way. At the beginner levels, the tall and handsome football captain has such an immense advantage over the average guy that you might as well be playing different sports. But the higher up the skill ladder you go the less that fundamental advantage will mean. And someone who has trained and understands this stuff versus the handsome guy with no social skills, or logistics, or leadership abilities? Its not even a contest. Will the tall guy always have a slight advantage over a shorter one? Probably, yeah. But if you get good enough you'll be so damn good with women it won't matter except in the most theoretical of contexts

All that to say keep on trucking man! I'll use one more analogy, which is poker. I've heard multiple world caliber players say that when playing against intermediate-level opponents, the actual cards in their hand are completely irrelevant. Understand your opponent and his tells and you can bluff him and play the hand out regardless of what you are holding. When it comes to seduction you have the cards you're dealt with physically and there isn't anything you can do about that. But if you get good enough at the game the cards no longer matter

Keep on keepin' on

-LoSt

 

[demigod]

Thanks for the thoughts guys, really appreciate it. And thanks to you MrRapo for being honest about honest about your experiences. I'm quite curious about the game you are employing.
I think FWB relationships does count actually, but this is getting philosophical . Not gonna lie, its a psychological thing I have to sort out, rooted in real world data haha.

Anyway It is a bit discouraging but what can you do.
Go Forth and Fuck.

Cheers