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Hope for Loners? ...being a Lone Wolf may be to your advantage

Drck

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Many guys probably already heard it and I am not trying to re-discover wheel, but here are couple interesting articles. There appears to be some correlation between levels of testosterone and loneliness, see for example:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6614000269

Basically what the articles talk about is that lonely men have higher levels of testosterone. Higher levels of testosterone are associated with more dominance, masculinity and aggression, but also bodily features such as Manly face: Strong/wide/square jaws, larger forehead, prominent brow ridges, larger nose, ...
(http://sandrarose.com/2016/06/higher-te ... nly-faces/)

Higher testosterone was associated with a distinct interpersonal style that included: attachment-related avoidance, dominance, and disconnectedness (cold and distant from others). High testosterone was also associated with loneliness (marginally), and this relationship was mediated by attachment-related avoidance.
(https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... onal_style)

Men who use fewer, shorter words are seen as more manly and attractive
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ctive.html)
(https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/he ... -advantage)

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In simple summary, if you are the silent and strong type of a person, and usually loner, you are actually quite attractive to women. You seem more manly, more dominant and masculine, more confident, more in self control and usually less emotional.... Althought there are most likely other contributing factors, this behavior and bodily features may be because of elevated levels of testosterone...
 

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Wonderful finds, Drck. Thanks for sharing.

Makes good intuitive sense, too. A testosterone + disconnectedness link makes perfect sense, but I hadn't seen research linking the two before.

You'll certainly come across super bubbly, outgoing, social guys with enormous amounts of testosterone (e.g., colossal sex drives, lots of risk-taking, etc.) sometimes, but these guys are outliers. Usually the dominant guy is that colder, more disconnected individual.

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Drck

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Yeah, such loners attractive, they just need some good tweaking...
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Man you just made my day!!

Looks like this is the reason I don't socialize much ( just with girls). There was a time in my life when I was frustrated for being complete alone but never really liked the attachment too. Just like you said attachment related avoidance.

Most of the time I stay alone just doing my thing but never really got bothered from it, actually I love it.

Eg. My new batch has started, few girls already likes me without me doing much yet. There's this guy who's kinda social...like most of the guys talk to him, low testosterone guy . But his behavior towards me is kinda approval seeking. Like he looks at me few times and try to engage me in conversation, I thought it's because of my looks. I never realized its also because of masculinity, high testosterone until now. But I never really give him time of the day. He's kinda nervous while talking to me.

And this happened without me even trying to befriend with them. I don't even want to, the same thing always happens....after you provide them a little value, now sometime they try to social climb.....try to put you down or try to get in the way between you and the girl you're talking. Imma not gonna let this happen, not anymore.

You just gave me a style man. So, i'm wondering how do I use it correctly to my advantage. Few tips?
I don't really like to connect with guys in general, but in the game we gotta be social....but I just can't be a Real social guy, kinda little reserved, silent dude.

Let me know how can I use this .

Thanks
 

Drck

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Good to hear that Kent. Man, I always want to make things as simple as possible, but then I find myself writing looong texts, LOL Anyway, I'll try to summarize what I consider important, which BTW is not much different what I keep writing and re-writing here many times... Where to start...

First, we have to understand that all is just relative... If you tell a guy who is not dominant to become dominant, he may gain a lot by learning to be dominant. On the other hand, if you tell a guy who is already dominant to be more dominant, he may work his ass off, he may gain some advantage, but at the same time - overall he will not really gain much (because he is already dominant, duh)...

With that being said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with learning the seduction as being presented here on GC. As a matter of fact, GC many times describes how cool, laid back and dominant guy should behave, so nothing really new... The more you learn on GC the more you will gain as a person... For example, increasing your social skills and making more friends will simply give you access to larger number of girls. Many times I am trying to describe different styles, different approaches, which some may perhaps consider as contradictory. But I don't see it that way, it is simply different, relative to particular situation or personality... So you are not really capitalizing on being a loner, rather being masculine, strong and silent (does 'mysterious' ring a bell?) type... Couple points that I believe are more pertinent:

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* Your frame must be solid. You must know what you want. You should decide whether you just want to sleep with different girls or whether you are aiming for LTR. I consider this very important for one reason: Knowing clearly what you want will create your overall default frame. Once you have a solid frame, it is unwise to start changing it, especially in the middle of gaming some girl(s). She will feel that something is going on, and she will pull back. By changing your frame you will create lots of friction. Friction is no good, it usually breaks the connection with that particular girl... Simple reason:

- If she gets to know you (your frame) as a fuck boy, she will adjust to your frame. She will know what to expect from you (just sex), and what not (LTR). If you start hesitating, changing in between frames, she will most likely pull back, or she will throw lots of shit tests at you (which are easy to fail)
- Vice versa, if you present yourself as a guy who seeks LTR but then starts behaving as a fuck boy, you will create lots of friction. She will throw more shit tests at you, and then (depending on her persona) will most likely pull away...

So don't do that thing: "well, I don't really know, I will sleep with some girls and then I will stay with that one I like,..." because once you are in the middle of game it will play against you...

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* Assume that girls are very smart as far as relationships, the older the smarter - and they learn 10x faster than guys... Most will 'read' you, they will 'read' your frame in no time. That is why it is important to have solid frame. As a masculine guy, you should have no problem with solid frame. Now when I think about it, the whole secret of seduction really is - just stick to your solid frame, don't change it no matter what... Never change because of her. She will test your frame, you can't change it...

Example: You present yourself as a reserved, silent dude, laid back... When she meets you, she may say to herself: "this dude looks attractive, reserved, silent and laid back - so let's test him". So first, she will create great vibes with you. Most likely you will get excited by interacting with her, you will feel the vibes, you will start thinking about her, you will start investing into her... Suddenly she goes cold, she won't pay any attention to you... No texts, no calls back nothing...

What happened? Most guys start panicking, they start texting her, looking for her, asking her friends about her... And that is when they lose her. She threw a test at him, and he failed. He was suppossed to be this "reserved, silent and laid back dude" but instead he got overexcited, he started to chase her, over-invest into her... Now she is thinking: "what happened to that reserved, silent and laid back dude? That is not really him, he is either immature or he is low value because he is chasing... Next!"

But you, you will remain this reserved, silent and laid back dude no matter what. She goes cold? Cool, no chasing, no texting. She starts flirting with other guys in front of you? Cool, walk away, cut off the attention... You go reserved, silent and you remain laid back dude...

Again, it is very important to keep your frame... If she finds you attractive (and because you are masculine and strong/silent type you should be) and if you don't move your frame, she will most likely run back to you. I bet 90% of time she will run back to you...

Let's go back to relativity for a sec... What happens to another guy who is outgoing, happy, cheerful, has tons of friends? Well he has a totally different frame... So when she exercises the same test on him, he also may go silent, no chasing, no texting,... but guess what, he now changed his frame from outgoing friendly guy to silent and strong type, so she may not come back to him after all, or in just 20-30% of the time... the same approach that works for you may not work that well for the cool dude...

Another example: You go out with a friend, he is outgoing, friendly, cool dude, seems attractive... You guys get together with some hot girl. They are having great conversation, she sorts of vibes with him, you start believing that you are there as a fifth wheel because you really don't say much. You almost want to leave because you don't feel comfortable... WRONG! She may prefer to fuck you regardless, she may send him away and them invite you to her place. Keep your eyes and ears open... Strong, silent and confident guy is solid, he is attractive to many females. She doesn't have to hear your stories in order to fuck you...

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* Next point, know your value. You are already reserved, silent dude, laid back... Hopefully masculine and muscular,... You are already attractive... That is your value. If I hand you $100, your value is $100, not more or less... All you can do is play with the $100... Don't play with $60 or $50, don't sell yourself cheap... If you start chasing, your value will drop to $70 because you are no longer reserved and laid back dude...

So play with reserved, silent dude, laid back, masculine and masculine card... That is your $100 value... My secret is - and most guys here don't understand that despite me repeating it hundred of times - girls do dig guys exactly like that... Which also means:

- Stop any silliness, be more serious. That doesn't mean that you can't smile or joke. You can, just limit it. Stop e.g. sexy walks and talks, sexy approaches, sexy talks... You don't need it, you are already sexy and attractive...
- Avoid any negativity. You can't be reserved and silent, and negative, that makes bad vibes. Rather, you know what you want and you go for it in constructive/positive way. At the same time, you don't need to be this exciting and overly happy/entertaining guy... Remember your frame, reserved, silent, laid back dude... Let her adjust to your frame, sometimes she needs more time...
- If you don't lift weights, start lifting. You'll only solidify the masculinity, make it more visible...
- Don't chase. You put your value, your $100 on the table, and now she has the option to take it or leave it... If she leaves it (and it can be a test!), don't chase. Let her go, don't contact her first, don't ask nothing about her, don't send her any messages on FB... Simply cut all the contact with her... She may come back in 1 week, or 6 months. Or even after 3 years. SHE WILL REMEMBER YOU...
- Don't force yourself to e.g. talk or be overly social. Remember, you are this silent and reserved type, she doesn't expect you to talk much or be outgoing. By doing too much, by trying to be overly talkative or friendly, you are only removing the "mysteriousness" from your personality...

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* Another point, Invest into her reasonable effort, especially if you are looking for LTR. Make sure she knows you like her and you want her. Never say it in words though, e.g. never say "I love you", never give her puppy eyes, never show excessive emotional involvement - namely love... SHE WILL RUN AWAY if you do... Remain that cool, reserved and non-reactive guy... Invite her to different places, or invite her to your place - but only once. Don't worry she will remember, she may not take the offer that day, but she may come back for it... Bring her a coffee, or whatever... Be genuinely interested in her, about her life (especially if you aim for LTR)

Ideally she should be thinking something like: This guys is really masculine, strong, silent, mature man... And he is really investing into me, he pays attention to what I say, he brought me a coffee before... and he also remains reserved, he is not all over me like the other guys, he doesn't try to prove himself to me, he doesn't text me stupid things like everyone else, he can control himself and his emotions quite well... He is calm and cool... WOW! That is a true man I want to be with... (and next time she sees you she should be ideally blushing, anxious, aroused, and having tingles in her pussy LOL)

- Learn Push and Pull... Say you are at school or work. So one day have a great conversation with her, cool vibes... Then you meet her another day... Hopefully she is very interested with you, so don't chase her around, don't come to her... Smile, and walk away if you have to... Let her come to you. Another great vibes, another great talks, she offers you a number. Great, take it, send some silly text: Hey it's me, just checking your number... Then go cold again, no contact - till she contacts you or sees you next time...

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* DO LESS, not more. This is perhaps true mastery of seduction. The first 3 years or so around seduction, guys are just newbies. They want to utilize every article, every single skill there is possible, they want to analyze everything... They do too much, they over-game the girl, they over-analyze everything.... Remember, you are this silent, cool and reserved guy... She doesn't expect you to know game, she doesn't expect any skills at all... While most 'cool' guys will throw at her 20 different skills, you do nothing, or just really minimal... You can afford doing that because you are masculine and thus naturally attractive, the girls are naturally gravitate towards you. Any effort will only push them away...

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* Most average guys have value $80-90. Many can raise value fairly easily to $100 by some knowledge or adjustment.... So if your value is $100, you want to increase your value to $120. Specifically to strong silent type case:

- Get some friends, or at least talk to people. Superficial is good enough, but you should have say 3-6 friends/guys who you talk to regularly. You don't really need more than 100 people on FB. It is important to show that you are somehow social, you don't have to go overboard but no girl will want you if you have no friends. This is especially important if you are aiming for LTR
- Raise your self esteem. Nice clothes, nice appearance. You don't have to be "clean cut", but show that you care of yourself
- Get a hobby. As a loner you MUST have some hobby. You can't sit home and play games or watch porn, girls will label you as weirdo very soon, none of them will want to be around you... If you don't know what, go to fitness and join some martial arts club. Or go to college. Get to known people at work. You'll find plenty of guys to talk to...
- Ideally you have or you work on getting higher education. Get a college degree that involves science and math, maybe engineering. Law might be good, if you have the ambitions. Something that requires strict logic. Strong, silent type, focused like a laser, knowing what he wants and going for it logically and ruthlessly - DAMN! Great value added to your personality...
- You can afford to be little bit more aggressive, little bit more asshole, little bit more prick... Don't go overboard, little bit is good enough. People should feel that it doesn't do them any good to fuck with you. That's what masculine guys do, they have natural respect, natural dominance...
- Positive (again). Positive, constructive outlook at your life will add good value to you. Not just thinking but DOING - for example, add certifications and diplomas to your, show that you care, that you can accomplish things... Yes, you believe in stable marriages and LTRs (if that is what you looking for), and so forth, she should know that...

... $125 value there, no need to go higher because you will start pushing some girls to auto rejection...

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* Think strategically...

- Is she just a quick fuck? Move fast in, overwhelm her, take her home asap... Too much resistance, oh well, walk away...

- Is she a keeper, LTR? Take it more slowly... Don't push too much for sex, even play dummy, a guy who has no clue about seduction... You never heard about GC, deny everything... Let her do the work, let her invest... Let her throw couple shit test, just keep cool, reserved, silent and strong... Which also means that you may even wait weeks before she invites you to her place. Trust yourself, know your value - as long as she shows attraction and interest in you, she is very much interested in you... She WILL come back... She is only getting adjusting to your frame...

I don't know other guy's experiences, but my recommendation for LTR is: DO NOT TRY TO GAME HER, a classy girl will leave the moment she realizes you are a skilled fuck boy...

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There you have it... It is not really a new material, but it is specifically designed for strong/silent type. Most girls, including hot ones, should show great interest in you. They should get excited around you, some will get very anxious. They should hand you their numbers without you asking for it, they will give you a clear windows to take them to your or hers place...
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Gold, pure Gold man.

Thank you so much Drck for sharing this.

I got you. You are right about everything, about not changing frame. I've seen it, but now I know the reason and cure.

Yeah its crazy how they Chase you HARD after you've completely gone from their radar with no change in your frame. Its feels like I've done some meditation just by reading your post. I think the frame was one of my issue, I used to change that....like trying to be over funny. But not anymore. Cause I'm this silent, strong reserved type dude. Its feels like I know how to play my game. I mean I now know how to carry myself, and all because of you man. Love you!

Oh man, can't really tell you how really glad I am. Lemme try this all, and I'll get back to you after a week. I'll let you know about my progress.

Love,

Kent
 
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