How do you escalate on the angry-horny chick?

[bgwh]

I was reading this article here by Chase:

Angry Girls: How to Deal With Angry Women and Why Women Get Mad

I’ve been hearing about this a lot lately from a few different folks, so wanted to write a post on it. Anger. Most men tuck tail and run when they encounter an angry girl. They figure hey, it’s a bad situation, I’m going to get as far away from it as I can. Of the few men left over who stuck...

www.girlschase.com

The angry-because-she's horny-and-not-getting-what-she wants describes perfectly a situation I have with a chick. She goes into auto-rejection pretty hard, and I guess it doesn't help that she's been seeing me increase status (and sexual opportunity) rapidly recently. Attainability has been dropping, and anger has been increasing.

She's always been very angry at me when ovulating (i know her cycle), but the auto-rejection anger and frustration with me has gotten way worse as of late. Where she's fuming when she's around me during ovulation. She's like a submissive kitten at the parts of cycle, but asexual.

The issue I have is that when she is like this (horny and frustrated), it takes some time for her to relax and build comfort. I've had one situation where we did something together for like 2 hours, and by the end she was comfortable and I could have started escalating, in fact she gave the go ahead, but we were cut short.

We rarely have enough time together for me to relax her and build the comfort. Any tips?

 

[topcat]

Why do you assume it’s an attainability issue? It might be but not for the reasons you think...

Asexual - sounds like an assumption, and a false one at that. Why aren’t you fucking her?

There’s a great possibility she’s angry and frustrated with you during ovulation, because you aren’t fucking her.

Instead of prescribing comfort, why not just tease her, make fun of her silly attitude and most importantly TAKE HER.

I bet it’s your cautious timid attitude that she misreads as you rejecting her, thus making her flustered and angry with you.

Just fuck her for Christ’s sake..

 

[bgwh]

Why do you assume it’s an attainability issue? It might be but not for the reasons you think...

Asexual - sounds like an assumption, and a false one at that. Why aren’t you fucking her?

There’s a great possibility she’s angry and frustrated with you during ovulation, because you aren’t fucking her.

Instead of prescribing comfort, why not just tease her, make fun of her silly attitude and most importantly TAKE HER.

I bet it’s your cautious timid attitude that she misreads as you rejecting her, thus making her flustered and angry with you.

Just fuck her for Christ’s sake..

She gets angrier at teasing and escalation. She's like a stonewall when she's ovulating. Only building comfort works to where she gets more relaxed, then you can start the teasing and escalation.

But again, we're usually limited on time. I can't go into the details of our situation and why we're limited in time alone, you'll just have to trust me on this one.

There's a reason I can't "just grab her and fuck her" as I would with other girls. The only option is gradual escalation. It's a very peculiar and specific "relationship" where "cavemanning" isn't an option. It's valid advice on your part, but it can't be used here, please trust me on this instead of projecting macho "you're a timid bitch" stuff. Thank you.

The one useful thing I've gotten from you here is maybe I should reconsider the "asexual" bit on those non-ovulating days. Otherwise your post reads like you're trying to AMOG me, not be helpful.

 

[topcat]

She gets angrier at teasing and escalation. She's like a stonewall when she's ovulating. Only building comfort works to where she gets more relaxed, then you can start the teasing and escalation.

But again, we're usually limited on time. I can't go into the details of our situation and why we're limited in time alone, you'll just have to trust me on this one.

There's a reason I can't "just grab her and fuck her" as I would with other girls. It's a very peculiar and specific "relationship" where this isn't an option. It's valid advice on your part, but it can't be used here, please trust me on this instead of projecting macho "you're a timid bitch" stuff. Thank you.

The one useful thing I've gotten from you here is maybe I should reconsider the "asexual" bit on those non-ovulating days. Otherwise your post reads like you're trying to AMOG me, not be helpful.

I mean AMOG or not it sounds timid.

Why stick with a chick who gets angry when you escalate and is asexual any other time, in a situation where you barely have time to fuck when you have the opportunity??

IMO replacing her is a beater solution than jumping through hoops for a lil piece of pussy…

It’s always easier pussy out there, and she doesn’t sound like she wants you physically dude..

I unno maybe you have a valid reason for that too?

 

[bgwh]

I mean AMOG or not it sounds timid.

Why stick with a chick who gets angry when you escalate and is asexual any other time, in a situation where you barely have time to fuck when you have the opportunity??

IMO replacing her is a beater solution than jumping through hoops for a lil piece of pussy…

It’s always easier pussy out there, and she doesn’t sound like she wants you physically dude..

I unno maybe you have a valid reason for that too?

Again, you don't seem to get it. This chick is part of my life in ways I can't spell out. We've been doing stuff for years long before any sexual tension between us appeared. We are involved in other ways, does that make sense? We are forced to spend time with each other for other reasons (we have something together built over years), and no I'm not going to get rid of this other thing just because we haven't fucked yet and there is tension.

 

[topcat]

Again, you don't seem to get it. This chick is part of my life in ways I can't spell out. I would be with her in these situations even if she were guy. I am not in these situations because she happens to be a girl who's attractive. Do I have to make it more obvious?

I don’t get you at all. But read this.

 

[bgwh]

I don’t get you at all. But read this.

She's my business partner/technically employed by me. I can't cancel my business of 10 years, let go of all employees, because she's horny and wants to fuck me, nor can I just grab her. There, I spelled it out.

 

[topcat]

She's my business partner. I can't cancel my business of 10 years, let go of all employees, because she's horny and wants to fuck me, nor can I just grab her. There, I spelled it out.

Lol if you care about your business, probably shouldn’t be trynna fuck her in the first place.

Like i said, there’s easier pussy.

Diagnosis: oneitis

 

[bgwh]

Lol if you care about your business, probably shouldn’t be trynna fuck her in the first place.

Like i said, there’s easier pussy.

Diagnosis: oneitis

I already asked you politely, twice to watch your tone. I do not appreciate the snark. Muted.

Anyone who talks like a normal, helpful person feel free to add your thoughts.

 

[bgwh]

This seems to be a good thread:

Attainability and Moving Fast

I have recently been educating myself about attainability from Chase's and Hector's materials. One thing which I can't comprehend is the advice of 'moving fast' when your attainability is too low. How moving fast improves attainability? Ok, I understand that moving too slow will result in her...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[theReason]

add your thoughts

Anyone

I work with a woman that treats me like shit if I ever stop treating her like the ultimate sexual object. Basically she will treat me like shit if I don’t act like I have oneitis around her, but that’s not exactly it.

When I’m around her and I act like I have “other sexual options”, she feels like she’s not getting enough attention and starts acting pissy.


Maybe if I was an mPUA and could show her pictures on my phone of me with 25 bikini-clad girlfriends on a beach in ibiza, she would stop testing me altogether and invite me over to watch hallmark movies and knit. But I’m an AFC so she tests me.


So my mindset around her is always this:

1. I want to fuck her because she’s a beautiful woman with an interesting personality. (NOTE: this is true, but I affirm this in my mind, because you can become bitter otherwise when a woman like this, or any woman, tests you.)
2. I can 100% get her. I can fuck her. She is completely attainable. I keep this in mind. (IMPORTANT NOTE: Furthermore, I am Choosing not to fuck her because it would be risky for professional reputations, both hers and mine. If I had the mentality of “maybe I can’t actually attain/seduce/fuck her”, then this wouldn’t be a choice.)
3. NEWEST ADDITION, BETA TESTING THIS: When I am around her, a portion of my thoughtspace is reserved to a mental visualization of fucking her. It sounds completely stupid, I know, but I swear, women can fucking feel this; especially when you have a little social history together. When I see her, I instinctually am fucking her in my mind. Which compounds with the other two, and really makes you feel like you are fucking her with your presence.

Anyway, those are the tips I have for running this kind of very-very-slow-burn office seduction with problematic high-sex-drive women that you just need to tame in order to get along with.


Ideally, at some point, our careers will not involve converging on the same location every day and I’ll be able to contact her on instagram, arrange a meet or something and do the deed.

 

[Will_V]

I was reading this article here by Chase:

Angry Girls: How to Deal With Angry Women and Why Women Get Mad

I’ve been hearing about this a lot lately from a few different folks, so wanted to write a post on it. Anger. Most men tuck tail and run when they encounter an angry girl. They figure hey, it’s a bad situation, I’m going to get as far away from it as I can. Of the few men left over who stuck...

www.girlschase.com

The angry-because-she's horny-and-not-getting-what-she wants describes perfectly a situation I have with a chick. She goes into auto-rejection pretty hard, and I guess it doesn't help that she's been seeing me increase status (and sexual opportunity) rapidly recently. Attainability has been dropping, and anger has been increasing.

She's always been very angry at me when ovulating (i know her cycle), but the auto-rejection anger and frustration with me has gotten way worse as of late. Where she's fuming when she's around me during ovulation. She's like a submissive kitten at the parts of cycle, but asexual.

The issue I have is that when she is like this (horny and frustrated), it takes some time for her to relax and build comfort. I've had one situation where we did something together for like 2 hours, and by the end she was comfortable and I could have started escalating, in fact she gave the go ahead, but we were cut short.

We rarely have enough time together for me to relax her and build the comfort. Any tips?

It's worth thinking about whether going ahead with this girl is a good move:

- She's your business partner and/or employee (neither of which are ideal sexual opportunities)
- You've known her for years without having a sexual relationship
- She's 'fuming' now, imagine what hell will break loose if you have sex and then things don't work out

I don't believe for one second that any man should be having sex with a business partner. When relationships fail (and most do) everything you share gets damaged or destroyed.

Also, I don't quite understand what this means:

She's my business partner/technically employed by me. I can't cancel my business of 10 years, let go of all employees, because she's horny and wants to fuck me, nor can I just grab her. There, I spelled it out.

I mean, if she has any capability to cancel your business you've worked 10 years to build and make you let go of all your employees, I wouldn't be going anywhere near her pussy.

I'm also not convinced you're reading the signals correctly here. For one thing, her behavior might be a result of you showing interest and arousing her (and by this point you're clearly a figure in her life, so it'd be hard for her not to respond to your interest) while she's knowing it would be a terrible move for both of you.

It's pretty much for these scenarios that cold approach offers the ideal solution, so you can have great platonic relationships with all the girls who need to stay reliable.

 

[bgwh]

It's worth thinking about whether going ahead with this girl is a good move:

- She's your business partner and/or employee (neither of which are ideal sexual opportunities)
- You've known her for years without having a sexual relationship
- She's 'fuming' now, imagine what hell will break loose if you have sex and then things don't work out

I don't believe for one second that any man should be having sex with a business partner. When relationships fail (and most do) everything you share gets damaged or destroyed.

Also, I don't quite understand what this means:



I mean, if she has any capability to cancel your business you've worked 10 years to build and make you let go of all your employees, I wouldn't be going anywhere near her pussy.

I'm also not convinced you're reading the signals correctly here. For one thing, her behavior might be a result of you showing interest and arousing her (and by this point you're clearly a figure in her life, so it'd be hard for her not to respond to your interest) while she's knowing it would be a terrible move for both of you.

It's pretty much for these scenarios that cold approach offers the ideal solution, so you can have great platonic relationships with all the girls who need to stay reliable.

Sure but

1) this is only an issue if I were to apply the "grab her and fuck her" method. I'm not prone to any business issues if it is a mutual escalation type of thing. I won't to into details just please trust me on this.

2) I'm asking in the general as well. Chase never explains in the article what to do when a girl is horny-angry. Merely says to "give her what she wants", but not how to actually do it.

So let's forget my particular situation for a moment and go back to the general. How do you escalate when a chick is angry-horny. I'm merely using this one particular situation as an example. Again, please see the article I linked to for reference and forget about me. Imagine chase is completing the article and writing the missing peace. Obviously escalation works differently when a chick is angry-horny. But he never explains.

As for my particular situation, she has been getting more and more jealous and pissy as my sexual optionality has grown from cold approach and I've been growing my smv. She has actually been getting sweeter in general, like kissing my ass, but then ovulation time comes and she turns into a sexually frustrated bitch that hates me and why I'm not giving her my full attention.

But I think I can actually have this discussion with theReason because he actually has a similar situation instead of making uninformed wild guesses and projections.

 

[bgwh]

I work with a woman that treats me like shit if I ever stop treating her like the ultimate sexual object. Basically she will treat me like shit if I don’t act like I have oneitis around her, but that’s not exactly it.

When I’m around her and I act like I have “other sexual options”, she feels like she’s not getting enough attention and starts acting pissy.


Maybe if I was an mPUA and could show her pictures on my phone of me with 25 bikini-clad girlfriends on a beach in ibiza, she would stop testing me altogether and invite me over to watch hallmark movies and knit. But I’m an AFC so she tests me.


So my mindset around her is always this:

1. I want to fuck her because she’s a beautiful woman with an interesting personality. (NOTE: this is true, but I affirm this in my mind, because you can become bitter otherwise when a woman like this, or any woman, tests you.)
2. I can 100% get her. I can fuck her. She is completely attainable. I keep this in mind. (IMPORTANT NOTE: Furthermore, I am Choosing not to fuck her because it would be risky for professional reputations, both hers and mine. If I had the mentality of “maybe I can’t actually attain/seduce/fuck her”, then this wouldn’t be a choice.)
3. NEWEST ADDITION, BETA TESTING THIS: When I am around her, a portion of my thoughtspace is reserved to a mental visualization of fucking her. It sounds completely stupid, I know, but I swear, women can fucking feel this; especially when you have a little social history together. When I see her, I instinctually am fucking her in my mind. Which compounds with the other two, and really makes you feel like you are fucking her with your presence.

Anyway, those are the tips I have for running this kind of very-very-slow-burn office seduction with problematic high-sex-drive women that you just need to tame in order to get along with.


Ideally, at some point, our careers will not involve converging on the same location every day and I’ll be able to contact her on instagram, arrange a meet or something and do the deed.

Thank you, that's chock full of good information. I wonder sometimes why on this forum people even reply if they don't have any relevant experience or anything useful to say but more want to preach/amog or make wild projections and guesses. Your reply is chock full of value, you know what i'm talking about, and just sharing what you're trying - 10/10

 

[Chase]

@bgwh,

I had a female business partner who would get angry-horny with me pretty often. It was very obvious what she wanted. I opted to keep things professional and continue shagging through cold approach to not have to deal with a big huge mess. Same story for female employees I’ve had. If you’re a sexy guy and you’re their boss/supervisor, they want the D. There is no aphrodisiac like power and authority over a woman.

The way you’re going to do it if you’re going to do it is to propose something after the workday ends. “You need to destress. Let’s grab a bottle of wine and some cheese.” If she’s been waiting for it, she’ll agree. And she knows what wine means.

Chill with her, talk, keep drinking the wine, let the conversation turn gradually more sexual, find an excuse to move her somewhere then touch her once you’re up close, get the kiss, let sparks fly. Close curtains. Fade to black.

I remember a guy talking about banging his female business partner years ago — years before I had one (and I always kept this guy’s story in mind). The way he put it was, “I started sleeping with my female business partner. Now she’s my wife of 10 years!”

There was a guy named Kwagmyre on mASF back in the day. He had a similar story about roommates. Started fucking his roommate, and she ended up as his wife.

These “hard to get away from” gals are sticky.

You can start to really feel tempted because you’re around them so much.

But when the relationship is already that intermingled, then you mix sex into it, it can be VERY hard to disentangle.

tl;dr — there’s for sure a way to do it, just make sure that before you do you can answer “yes” to both of “Would I be okay with her as my wife?” and “Would she make a good mother of my children?”

Not so say she ABSOLUTELY will become that… only that there is a much HIGHER LIKELIHOOD of it than with other girls you shag whom you aren’t in such close, constant, intermingled contact with!

Good luck!

Chase