How many approaches you do?

[Ergon]

Hey, guys. I wanted to ask you something:

How many girls do you approach, during day or night game, before you find one that you click with and either date or becomes a lay?

Also, in a regular outing for you, how many girls do you approach? How many per week?

I just wanted to know if I do enough approaches per week (I'm sure I do too few), and if my fundamentals and seduction process is ok.
Because lately I approach 10 to 15 girls per week, total, and probably only 1 out of 10 is very receptive.

Moreover...

How many approaches you did before you started having dates consistently? I haven't had any date from street approaches yet, although I honestly haven't done many. Less than 40 for sure.

I think hearing your numbers could help me push myself to approach more and maybe know if I need to push more my fundamentals and process.

 

[Ergon]

Hey Drexel , thanks man

Looking back, I see I wasn't sure what to ask or what was going on.
I kind of sorted this out like the next day. I went out without the intentions to meet girls and ended up meeting a few anyway.
That was when I thought "yeah, better". Also framing recent bad days as a humbling experience helped.

And I did try to pay attention to signs of interest and availability which actually made me not let go of a few chances.

Ergon

 

[readjusting]

Hey Ergon,
I used to be in your position, so I think I can help you push yourself:
- 600 approaches before the first makeout
- 800 approaches before the first date
- 900 approaches before the first lay
, over 4 months, so 7-8 approaches a day.

Not to scare you. I have really bad fundamentals. 145 lbs (pre-pickup, 135 lbs). Voice like a teenager (through improved 5-10% from pre-pickup). So you will need less than me.

Fundamentals I think is even more important than the approaches themselves. Sure, you can get laid if you approach enough, but you don't want to be the 1/1000 guy.

Also try to find your weakness in the approaches. I guarantee each batch of approaches (10 for example) will reveal some kind of weakness you have. At the beginning, many weaknesses, you don't need to correct them all, just correct them one by one, and you'll improve.

 

[Ergon]

If you want to get better at a skill then the more you do it the better. This is true for anything.

If u want to get really good at fucking girls from cold approach then you need to cold approach so much that you know every possible variable and how to navigate things so it leads to sex.

Definetely. I suspected I weren't doing enough street approaches to be decent at it, as opposed to night game and social events where I actually approach a handful of people each time. And I'm still mediocre at those but I get some attention nonetheless. It's a bit easier to slack off because there's not so much pressure to talk to anyone during daytime unless you pressure yourself.

Drexel didn't you say the best person at approaching you've seen is Anatman? That dude advocates mass approaching

Yeah, I actually remember him advocating some 100 approaches for starters.

I used to be in your position, so I think I can help you push yourself:
- 600 approaches before the first makeout
- 800 approaches before the first date
- 900 approaches before the first lay
, over 4 months, so 7-8 approaches a day

Wow, that it's something. For some time I thought I approached too much without getting any results, but I actually weren't approaching enough, just wasting a lot of time dealing with AA and missing clear chances. I think I've improved with respect to AA. Talking with a tribal elder I discovered my sticking points lately are moving things forward, acting with intent and polarizing.

Good advice guys. I believe now what matters most is go out there and really approach, numbers can be kind of irrelevant. I was just on a down mood and overthinking things a bit.

 

[Guest0291]

Lot of the advice here is a waste of time.

Don't know too much about Drexel, but his advice here works well from my experience.

How many approaches you did before you started having dates consistently? I haven't had any date from street approaches yet, although I honestly haven't done many. Less than 40 for sure.

Rarely ever got a date from cold approaching or street approaching back when I tried it. Funny enough, seems to be the case for many. So why do it this way instead of find a better way to go about getting laid?

If you want to get better at a skill then the more you do it the better. This is true for anything.

Yeah, I actually remember him advocating some 100 approaches for starters.

This is just bad advice. Approaching girls is not really a skill beyond just being able to talk to people, except there are better ways of learning that skill. Most success from cold approach is just by better learning to tune in on the girls that are interested in you, nothing else. Yet again there are better ways of doing this. Rather than talk to 100 girls on the street where most reject you, which will convince you to waste time on "learning approaching" or just turn you into another PUA creeper, you could just sign up for crossfit (it sucks, but hot girls go to certain ones) or yoga or something and meet maybe 10 or so beautiful girls that will either like you or at least be open to being friends with you since you guys both are doing an activity that allows you to talk and shit without it being abnormal.

If you're attractive, the chances of you getting laid are good, or if you're getting the vibe that none of those dime pieces want to fuck you just befriend them and now you got a new social circle with a cool chick who might know someone who'd want to fuck you. You've skipped the negatives of cold approach (hours of wasted time, no success, nothing to show for efforts, tons of rejection) and reaped only positives (made friends, got better at a skill, or got laid with little to no effort). At this point, I've lost count of how many girls I've fucked or at least made out with because a friend introduced me, a friend I met through some other activity or social circle.

Of course, the prereq is that you're attractive enough for the type of girl you want and you have basic social skills.

 

[Smurf]

It's not the best advice if you just go and approach with no idea how to self evaluate what you're doing wrong.

One of the Best skills you can learn approaching is to look at yourself from a third person perspective to see what's going well and what isn't going so well. You learn this by approaching a lot, and while you're doing that analyzing each one after you do it. Also, the more you approach, the less emotionally charged it is for you. After that first approach, especially in a club, you can't even remember what happened really. But on that 200th, you can pretty much figure out what happened from memory.

As for a number, it's dependent on the person. Like Slay said, the higher the better. Try and get to 1000, while focusing on improvement after each approach and not just mass approaching. You should get a good base. Always come to the boards if you have a real sticking point.

Hope this helps,

Jake.

Side note,

Doing this helped me develop a photographic memory.

 

[Guest0291]

It's not the best advice if you just go and approach with no idea how to self evaluate what you're doing wrong.

But what if he's not doing anything wrong and it's just the majority of women he's approaching aren't into him? He's going to be going "Fuck, should have persisted there" or "Damn, forgot to move her!" when the reality is more likely to be she wasn't interested to begin with and there's nothing he could have done to change that. One could say that the more you cold approach the better you notice signals, but that's not exactly true. Dude in this thread said he approached 900 girls before getting laid once, not exactly proving he has learned to identify the girls that are into him more. Of course, that's anecdotal.

Plus, why does this guy, or any guy, need to do so many approaches just to get one date or a makeout? 600 approaches for a makeout? 900 approaches before getting laid? That's some outrageous numbers man, even for a complete virgin trying to get better with women. Why continue to do something that is churning out so little benefit?

 

[Ergon]

Lot of the advice here is a waste of time.

Lol. I think there's good insights from everyone. You have also made me think about my reasons, so thanks! I agree that recognizing signs of interests and having social circles and other interests is important too, but…

 why do it this way instead of find a better way to go about getting laid? 

1. I used to suck at social circles, and when I tried to improve my social skills I actually burned my reputation on a few of them. Cold approach on the other hand is very forgiving.
2. Knowing you can date and get laid with girls you met on the street, or the train, or the park doesn't sound badass to you? Wouldn't them make for great stories?
3. The prospect of meeting girls in more places and higher quantity makes you feel that, indeed, there's an abundance of girls and interesting people.
4. You can meet more girls in less time, and hence rack up experience faster. In my experience, seductions in social circle can be really slow. It also keeps you flexible because you deal with different situations.
5. You start to become better at striking up conversation, making small talk, and yes, recognizing signs of interest. I've seen the benefits in other arenas.

Social circle is easier... But you'll never be as tight as someone who got his lays from cold approach

I'm involved in a social circle, in an activity with lots of girls, like you advice Traceur. I recommend it too. I don't know if it's really easier, but I've gotten girls from it… so maybe? I think it depends of its nature, better if you really enjoy it. I only got results from it, though, until I started cold approaching.

One of the Best skills you can learn approaching is to look at yourself from a third person perspective to see what's going well and what isn't going so well. You learn this by approaching a lot, and while you're doing that analyzing each one after you do it.

Yeah. I actually mentioned recently in my journal I'm planning on writing down everything again. I feel I slowed down and might've been cause I've slack off on my journaling. Ricardus would approve of this too.

But what if he's not doing anything wrong and it's just the majority of women he's approaching aren't into him? He's going to be going "Fuck, should have persisted there" or "Damn, forgot to move her!" when the reality is more likely to be she wasn't interested to begin with and there's nothing he could have done to change that. One could say that the more you cold approach the better you notice signals, but that's not exactly true.

So when I wrote this thread, I wasn't doing as good, and certain events made me less objective. However after taking time to recover and talk with other experience members, I saw the issues. Girls have given me signs of interest like crazy, sitting just in front of me, blatantly checking me out, even saying hi and come up to talk to me themselves first. So at least in my case it didn't seem to be an issue of enough girls being interested, I failed because I sabotaged myself, I failed to move things forward or I spaced out. In this case I need to keep approaching, not necessarily for the sake of it, but to learn to close the deal with the girl that like me, with one of the objective being polarizing

Also, I'm just guessing, but maybe for CKTC cold approach beats taking it safe or is more fun? There are different styles for everyone. Also it seems most advanced members in here have meet 100's of people anyway, one way or another. Even if it didn't bring results immediately, it helped for confidence and reference points.

So, I think it's something worth considering. I don't know…for some it might work, for others is not worth it?..

Ergon

 

[Guest0291]

1. Curious how that happened.
2. Not if the time sink is that huge. I don't mind seeing if a girl is interested in the moment, but 100 approaches a week or so? Too much wasted time for too little result for me. As for stories, I remember walking home when a bangin 18 year old made it clear she wanted to fuck at the park right then just because she thought I was hot. Hadn't talked to anyone all day, and this is back when I thought I had "approach anxiety." You can know you can get laid at those locations without the wasted time and ungodly amount of rejections.
3. True.
4. How come your social circle seductions were slow, is this cultural, niche related (lame social group), etc.? Also, there's different ways of going about social circle. It could mean being in a frat or it could mean being friends with the bartenders at a club. Or just being the bartender.
5. I agree here too, but it might depend on how one handles it. The way you mentioned it, perfectly fine. But a guy micro analyzing his conversations, approaching 100 random women a week with no results, focusing on his game/openers/frames/etc., is he going to get better or just become more awkward? On top of overanalyzing, he's going to be dealing with a higher rate of rejection than is normal, so I'm going to guess he's more likely to rack up negative experiences over positive ones. If it works for you though, more power to you man. Yet, I see this being stated on the Boards as almost a requirement when it's not.

maybe for CKTC cold approach beats taking it safe or is more fun? There are different styles for everyone. Also it seems most advanced members in here have meet 100's of people anyway, one way or another. Even if it didn't bring results immediately, it helped for confidence and reference points.

I pointed out already how doing this can actually end up pretty negative, but I agree with you, if someone gets their rocks off that way, more power to them. Success is success, if you're getting what you want and it's all good, it doesn't really matter if it was cold approach or social circle or whatever. I'm definitely suggesting that the cold approach/day game way is much less likely to do so, but people can take it for what it's worth and make their own decisions for what is best for them.

 

[Guest0291]

@Slay

Is this going to devolve into you insulting me again?

Sure if you're fundamentals suck. Which is the case for most newbies which is why it takes some so much to get laid. Once your fundamentals get better you can get laid pretty consistently.

So why wouldn't you recommend him getting his fundamentals down first before worrying about approaching in the first place?

Also, social circle limits you to the woman in those social circles. You're not limited to anything in cold approach.

No matter what you are limited by who's attracted to you. So all that matters is success ratio. What's going to get you more bang for you buck?

As for social circle being limiting, it's not. People you know are often part of a broader social network, especially in bigger cities and specific niches. See the "Bacon number." Oddly enough, I know a guy that's friends with Kevin Bacon's son. I also know an editor who is friends with the head of Universal Pictures. I'm also friends with someone who is friends with the producers of Star Wars. Yet, my career isn't that high up at all. If you don't believe me, look at frat guys or nightclub promoters. Get laid easier than most and rely on social circle that almost fills itself.

And there's ways to go about changing your social circle, expanding it, etc.

Again, you're seeing it from a getting laid standpoint instead of an improving standpoint. If you're not good with girls, then you need to put yourself in as many situations with women as possible.

Before I go on about the other points in this sentence, getting laid means you're not improving? What?

Uh no. He's going to be better. Also you're saying it as if all the 100 girls will reject him. A lot may like him, he might get some smiles, some flirting, some interested girls, maybe he doesnt know how to take them home. So he loses them. Is that failure? For a guy that doesn't have sex with girls, isn't used to being sexual? No. They'll get excited, very excited.

Brb spending hours to weeks hitting up 100 girls
Brb didn't get laid but made girls smile at least!

Strong results in that scenario.

The 10,000 rule states you need to spend that much time doing something before you've mastered it.

If you instead mastered photography or DJing or football, you're going to get laid easier and with hotter women anyways, plus you'll have a skill to show for it. Last I checked, a good DJ can have more models naked on top of him in one night than a PUA spending his time cold approaching.

So tell me. How are you going to get better. Working on the 5,10,15 girls in your social circle. Or approaching hundreds and hundreds of women where you'll get 10x as many data points and be able to tweak and improve your game much faster because you've got 100 girls who just acted accordingly to your fundamentals or game?

Getting rejected 1000 times isn't collecting data points. It's getting rejected 1000 times and trying to figure out what's going wrong. Except the reason is going to be different every time and there's no real pattern.

You don't need to mass approach to learn to find girls interested in you. You can make a friend, who knows a friend that invites you to a party, where you meet a guy that's friends with the frats at a college and wants you tag along with him. Now you have a social circle where most girls are hot, dtf, and around you each weekend partying it up. Not hard to find a good many that want to fuck your brains out. Happened to me, can happen to you or maybe you find something better.

Maybe you don't need countless failure Traceur. But that's only because you're already good enough with girls that you have a steady stream of pussy(maybe?) and youre just tryna get laid.

My stance stands regardless of experience. But I'll ask, on average how many approaches do you do on the street before you get laid from one? Girls that come up to you don't count obviously.

Everyone else here though? Most aren't happy with their success with girls yet. Not until they can get that one dream girl, fuck 50 girls, have 2 girlfriends, etc. There are also people like me. Who's main goal isn't so specific. It's simply becoming the best pimps out there.

Why care about becoming the "best pimp" out there? Besides the fact that trying to accomplish that via cold approach is an uphill battle (get rich is the best, see Dan Bilzerian), why sink so much time into getting girls to become a "master?" What are you going to have after years of "practice," 10,000 approaches, 50 lays, and hours of time put on girls?

Guys are welcome to do what they want with their lives though, and they can do what they think is right for themselves.

So if you want to get good as quickly as possible, then there's only one option. Cold Approach. Get to it

Definitely. Disregard results, acquire rejections. But do what you like.

 

[Guest0291]

@Slay

Haha yup, and here you go. I haven't ever gotten angry or said anything bad about you dude, I'm cool as a cucumber. Also, dude(s) can determine what's best for himself. They're grown men.

And for the record, you challenged me by asking me to prove how good I was. You can reread that here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15748

I will quote:

you don't give anything to back up your statements, just your word. I don't take people like you seriously. [...]
Who are you? How much value do your words have? [...]
Also you're a newbie to seduction. [...]

I am still down to prove it, doesn't take long for me to do so, it's no skin off my back. As long my privacy is protected by private messaging an admin, Chase or Franco, I'm good.

And really man, you're going to call for Chase just because you want backup? Chase is a man who can think what he wants. I actually agree with a good amount of stuff he says, but I'm not going to follow him on everything he says. Willing to bet he'd respect that the same way I respect that he has different views than I do. I'll still pose disagreements about certain things and he's more than welcome to blow me off for doing so or presenting it in the wrong way. I'd still respect the guy, and I still wouldn't insult him. I haven't personally attacked anyone, only the ideas.

Hell, even when I'm saying shit like "strong logic," it's commenting on the logic, not you. A professor looks at my essay and goes "Yeah, logic's wrong here, the point makes no sense." They're not saying I'm an idiot.

So relax.

I realize that you're a pleasure-driven person though.

You tell guys to become master seducers, I say develop a skill and if so inclined develop a skill that also gets girls. Yet I'm the one obsessed with pleasure? Really?

1. I don't have a problem with you.
2. Just don't come in here spreading your dogma, or you'll get put in your place. :*

Pick one. Those don't mesh, mate.


EDIT: Are you like, imagining my voice from my writing in a mean tone or something? Seriously, I'm not intending for it to come across that way.

 

[Guest0291]

No idea why your jimmies are so rustled.

 

[Richard]

Mannn... I wrote up a response on my phone and it wouldn't let me post it and I lost it.

Short and sweet; neither social game nor cold approach is going to compensate you for anything you might be lacking with women. The issues that prevent you from getting laid will continue to prevent you whether you are running social game or cold approach game and you'll have to work on them eventually.

Both have been covered on the boards and main page for quite some time. I mesh with direct cold approaching and that's how I get my rocks off and, in my experience, the quality of women is higher. But, if I just want quick sex or a fling or something casual (which is hardly ever) then I'd lean towards social circle/club game. Neither is inherently better or worse and neither is going to save you time when you're starting off trying to get laid.

-Richard

 

[Smurf]

I don't see anything wrong with either perspective here, although I clearly lean with Slay here.

But what if he's not doing anything wrong and it's just the majority of women he's approaching aren't into him? He's going to be going "Fuck, should have persisted there" or "Damn, forgot to move her!" when the reality is more likely to be she wasn't interested to begin with and there's nothing he could have done to change that. One could say that the more you cold approach the better you notice signals, but that's not exactly true. Dude in this thread said he approached 900 girls before getting laid once, not exactly proving he has learned to identify the girls that are into him more. Of course, that's anecdotal.

That's part of analyzing what's going wrong: noticing if she's interested or not. You're gonna tell me the more girls a guy approaches, it's no more likely that one of those girls is gonna be interested? C'mon man, there's plausible "what ifs" and there's just being unreasonable. If you're approaching 100 girls and NONE of them are actually interested you need to: get out of your city, work on your approach from a completely different standpoint, or look closer. If your style isn't meshing well with girls in that area, maybe you need to look for a different niche of girls. Are you really doing the best approach you can? Or is there some behavior that's repeatedly creeping girls out? Are none of those girls interested? Or are you just not assuming attraction and seeing the signs? Usually it's one of those things.

As for fundamentals, it's hard to see what works when you don't test it. You could think you're throwing out a really sexy vibe, but when you go out you could be pushing out a really creepy one. It's important to test fundamentals.

But you are right. Being a DJ or football player or some other thing that gives you inherent value would get you laid. It's just less variables are in your control, and you really don't develop any confidence in yourself alone, rather all your confidence is derived from your talent. What's gonna happen if you're a DJ and your style of music isn't popular anymore? You're a football player but you break your leg and everyone forgets about you? You lose that edge because you're not confident anymore. That's whyi prefer cold approach. It's just you.

If you subscribe to social circle or status game, I'm sure Ergon, Slay, and myself would love to hear how you go about it. I do social circle game as well as cold approach so I'm always looking for ways to streamline things.

Jake.

 

[Guest0291]

Finally getting around to replying. Not going to go over all points to keep post a bit shorter.

Short and sweet; neither social game nor cold approach is going to compensate you for anything you might be lacking with women. The issues that prevent you from getting laid will continue to prevent you whether you are running social game or cold approach game and you'll have to work on them eventually.

Already said as much. Fundamentals first.

Neither is inherently better or worse and neither is going to save you time when you're starting off trying to get laid.

Not sure if serious.

You're gonna tell me the more girls a guy approaches, it's no more likely that one of those girls is gonna be interested? C'mon man, there's plausible "what ifs" and there's just being unreasonable.

Yes, I am going to tell you that and it's not unreasonable.

Just because I flip a coin and get heads twice doesn't mean the likelihood of it being heads the 3rd time goes up/down. Each result is independent from the last. Similarly, just because a guy got rejected 5 times doesn't mean he's inching closer to finding a girl that likes him. The next 30 can easily reject him if he's approaching at random.

But what if he can already pick out a girl that likes him?
Well then, why is he going out and approaching 100 girls if he can already tell which one probably likes him? Furthermore, let's just ignore that girls you cold approach are more likely to be flakes anyways.

Ok, but how else is a guy going to learn to identify which girls like him without practicing/approaching hundreds of times?
Well I wouldn't suggest him going out and getting rejected so many times like others are suggesting.

Brb approaching strangers in bulk
Brb totally learning which girls like me by dealing with more that don't like me!

How does that make any sense?

If a guy wants to learn how to tell if a girl likes him/wants to up his comfort talking to girls in the first place/wants to make getting laid more efficient, dude should just do a social activity that girls also do, preferably one he actually likes. Let's just use yoga or dance as an example.

• 1. 1. These activities are pro-social in that you almost have to talk to women, so if you've never talked to girls or are nervous to do so, a friendly, pro-social environment full of hot women is going to make getting over this hurdle easier.
  • 2. If you want to get a better handle on identifying girls that like you, it's going to be easier now since you have to hangout with everyone multiple times, you have common interests with these girls, the girls get multiple opportunities to show that they like you, etc.
  • 3. If you want to get laid more efficiently, assuming you're good looking, some girls in class will want to fuck you or they'll think you're cool and invite you to a party or hangout where one of her friends probably will. You now have a fuckbuddy or a social circle to hangout with that will introduce you to more and more people.

So as a complete beginner, you didn't have to experience a huge amount of rejections to accomplish any of the outlined goals. Plus you got to spend your time doing something you actually like doing and made improvements at a skill. And yes, this matches up with what I've experienced vs. cold approach.

My point is just further proven when you actually see it, I mean just look at the girl/guy ratio at one class in LA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqrkvIaprE

Meanwhile, guys here are advising going through absurdly high numbers of girls in a counterintuitive manner to acquire the same skills, including you:

As for a number, it's dependent on the person. Like Slay said, the higher the better. Try and get to 1000, while focusing on improvement after each approach and not just mass approaching. You should get a good base.

You're advocating cold approaching 1000 girls just to get a base amount of skill (or a consistent dating life, don't know which question you're answering, but my point remains), which clearly means you're advising a guy that hasn't learned to pick out when a girl likes him, otherwise he wouldn't have to approach that many girls. This further infers that he has to approach 1000 girls to learn to do so.

So I'm really not pulling this out of my ass, other members are proving my point. No disrespect, but I don't see how that advice is helpful. I guess if a guy gets off from "daygaming," sure. Yet I see plenty of members, including tribal elders, making it sound like the only way for people that clearly don't get their rocks off from it. Strong hypocrisy there.

If no one believes me on that, just look here, first thread I could find in 5 min: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15668&p=78329#p78329

Or how about this one?

 

[Smurf]

This is where I'd suggest making a specific thread for this. I don't want to keep debating what the best method for someone is when he just asked for some opinions.

Summary: I approach a lot because I think cold approach gives you confidence in yourself and yourself alone. You disagree and say social circle is a lot less trouble. Cool, now he has plenty of opinions to take his pick. I'm gonna stop here before this thread becomes 60+ posts about existentialism.

Jake.

 

[Marcellus]

This thread is soooo stupid, no offence intended. People are going to believe what they wanna believe so I'm not going to go that route. But what I'm going to say is this, why can't you guys have it all? One of my most favorite people Arnold Schwarzenegger had to attend classes, work out 4-5 hours a day for his Body building, work a Bricklaying job with his best friend on top of business meetings, promoting his products and trying to learn English and he was able to do all of this, almost every day.

In my opinion, I realistically don't see why everyone here that isn't physically impaired can't do everything that they want.
I don't see why someone can't work on their fundamentals, cold approach heaps of girls, work on their social circle game, read, go to their job and work on developing whatever skill they'd like to( E.g Photography, painting, Djing). We all have 24 Hours and that's heaps of fucking time.

So I'm not sure why Cold Approaching is a time sink, worst case scenario is I waste a couple of hours in my day talking to women. Best Case is pretty much limitless ( getting my dick sucked behind a dumpster, meeting a great girl etc.) It doesn't mean that I still can't do everything else that I want during that day.24 HOURS!

I'll provide my own example, Last Saturday I cold approached, played a competitive match of Football, Read about 40 pages of a book, Wrote for an hour or so, developed my speed reading, worked on my voice/posture/walk, Trained for 2 hours in the morning( Agility drills, suicides, burpess that sort of thing), practiced a language I've been trying to learn and also went on an hour long walk to clear my head.

We all have 24 Hours, I don't see why we can't all do a lot in those 24 hours.
Not sure if this post provides any relevance or value but I had to do it.

Marcellus

 

[Guest0291]

I could write out a longer reply to your point, but it seems your point is already missing the many counterarguments I've already provided against cold approach/daygame it so I'm going to keep this short.

1. No, we don't have 24 hours in the day. Things like work, commuting around, gym, shopping, eating, working on other goals, chores, etc. take time. Do the math, not as much time in the day to be wasting "daygaming" as one might think.

2. The example you provided was on a weekend, where people have more time anyways, and you mentioned only cold approaching for a couple hours. If a guy is cold approaching for 2 hours on Saturday and Sunday, he's not approaching 1000 anytime soon so that just disregarded everyone else's point except Drexels, though I believe I went over why cold approach is the least reliable way to tell when a girl is interested or even learn to tell. In a single 4 weekend month at 10 girls per 2 hours (1 girl every 12 minutes), 2 hours per weekend, it's looking more like 80 approaches, but this is willfully ignoring the fact that most guys aren't going to be approaching at that high of a rate, let alone the majority of those being successful. Next, let's look at what the yearly total of approaches is at 20 girls a week/weekend: 1040. A year to hit 1000. Ridiculously long time just to "get a base."

3. But why should a guy be rejected so many times?

4. The "worst case scenario wasted time talking to girls, best case scenario dick sucked" argument is ridiculous. Disregarding that cold approaching has already been established as having shitty odds by members here on the board, even by experienced guys, why should a guy waste his time doing something he doesn't like? So far the hypocrisy I'm seeing is: guy doesn't like cold approaching/daygaming but wants to get laid, is told "Well I guess you don't want it bad enough!"

But hold on, brb going to throw shit at the wall until it finally sticks, because then it'll all be worth it!

Next, argument is ridiculous because why would a guy deliberately choose to have a high possibility of wasting his time and having nothing to show for it? Hell, isn't that what people here advise NOT doing when setting up dates, so why not when actually finding girls? Besides, instead of "Worst case scenario I wasted time going out and about talking to girls" it could be "Worst case scenario I got more experienced at a tangible skill I enjoy" or if you're at a club/bar/rave/beach you really like it could be "Worst case scenario I had a ton of fun at a place I actually like being at."

 

[Guest0291]

Double submitted.

 

[Marcellus]

1: Eating are you fucking kidding me? Everyone eats, why would you even add that. Everyone makes time to eat.
I go shopping once a week on the weekends, so shopping doesn't take up much time.
Chores don't really take much time if you're clean and always organised. Unless you're talking about things like mowing the lawn, which can also be done on the weekends to free up even more time.
I literally just said that Arnold worked out for 4-5 hours a day, almost every day. And........... he still had time to do everything else. Unless you are working out 4-5 hours a week, 5 days a week. I don't allow you to use going to the gym as an excuse for why you don't have time.
Politicians, Athletes, Musicians, Celebrities etc, all have the exact same 24 hours we do. Most accomplish so much, yet they only have the same amount of time as all of us. I hate when people say they don't have time, you have time. And with Cold Approach, no one expects you to go approaching girls 7 days a week, so it's not a massive time sink.

2: Like you said 1000 approaches. A lot can happen within 1000 approaches depending on your starting level, a lot. If you're analysing your interactions, reading the material and taking the necessary steps to improve, you won't just get a starting base, you'll be pretty solid. I doubt anyone doing the 3 steps and deliberately practising cold approach is going to still be a complete idiot with girls after the first couple of hundred approaches.

3: Are you scared of a little rejection? Are you afraid of some random girl politely telling you that she's not interested. Eventually in life, you'll get to a point where you are fairly certain which girls will be receptive or not but you gotta go through the pain, failures and rejections first.

4: First off, as I've already said you have time to do all those games, raves, hobbies or whatever else you enjoy and also cold approach. So the argument that why not get more experience doing a skill you enjoy is moot because you can do both.
Next off, If you really wanna desperately get laid, go buy a hooker. If you wanna get laid so fucking bad, go buy a fucking hooker. Because other then that, it's other forms of game, such as Cold approaching.

To anyone reading, Traceur is going to believe what he wants to believe so I'm not commenting any more.( Unless he would like to challenge my stance on everyone having 24 hours) What he doesn't see is this, if you're willing to approach 20 women a week in your free time(weekends), apply the advice on the website and analyse plust pinpoint where you're going wrong, it might take a year, or two, or even Three but their will come a time where you know that after all you're hard work..... You will be able to have women for the rest of your life, you'll be able to meet women everywhere, anywhere and at any time. You will never need to worry about the women problem, or how many approaches you need to do this week ever again, you'll be set for life. Don't forget the end goal, never forget the end goal.

-Marcellus-