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Glow

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I cold approach her while she was waiting bus with her friend. They came to my country for travelling.

For texting, I say that "her eyes are cute, did anyone say so to you" to try to set a man-woman frame, but she kinda make the interaction friendly by talking normal things without related to man-woman. I invited her for coffee and she agreed.
Nice try but the standard eyes compliment escalation is quite standard romanticised - afc style as we call it. Its not a cool way to indicate your interest. There are many better ways outlined across the forum.
Response Cue: Shes not ready atm.
Analysis: you know where she is. you need to work her to get her into a flirty fun loving mood.
Study text game. study game. Study verbal escalation.

For the date, we sit opposite of each other. I talked about normal topic, then after 30 minutes try to escalate by talking about relationship. So far she seems receptive to these topics. Finally, when I try to escalate to sexual topics by asking when is her first kiss

and how's her last sexual life, she seemed uncomfortable and shocked. I tone down a bit by going back to normal topics.
This is way too much to ask into for most girls. You need to read about transferring into sexual topics. one way could be to provide a safe environment as a guy for her eg via sexual frames for example. Look it up. Its obvious you have little understanding here which is fine but then understand that this ask is directly into her sexual life which is a huge thing for a girl to share. To not know this is quite ignorant from the girls side and eye widening as you saw. Fine. Learn from it.

Study sex talk and eg. transfers between topic types eg riker. Or look for articles here on GC on the matter i think there are a few,

Initially I tried to bring her to see the city view, since I think that I didn't do well on escalating and needed more time on that. However, that day was raining, and considering that she will be flying back to her home country two days later. I have no choice but to push this date to the limit by bringing her back to my place.
Fine w a view bounce and fine to aim to get to your place but its a risky move to take her there from the level you outline shes at.

I exited the cafe and drive my car to the entrance of the cafe while she was waiting there. At first she opened the back door and try to sit at the back. I was a bit surprized since all the girls I invited out will sit in front with me. So I told her to just sit in front. Now that when I think about it, her action of trying to sit at back was a bit rude to me, since it subcommunicate that I am her "driver". She then sit at the front, then asked if I know her place (hotel). Here, I was thinking the date was failed since she expect me to send her back to her hotel (she stay at the hotel with her friend). But I just ignored it by saying "yeah", and then continue my drive toward my place while continue some normal topics in the car.

like wtf. you bring her to your place without her agreeing to it? even her indicating she thinks youre going to her hotel?? TALK with her and get her to agree before taking her to your place. Im surprised she came in. This is an absolute no go.
Doing this when she thinks youre taking her to her hotel which she indicates is a sign youre socially odd and could be a signal youre dangerous for a girl. And with good reason - it is odd and unethical behavior. This is a key to stop doing immediately.

When we arrive at my place, she seems a bit surprised by saying "Oh, so you bring me to your place". We then talking for a while, then I escalate by touching her hair and she seemed okay, but her expression looked moody. I asked why she was moody, she said because of period and today was a busy day for her. After some talking, I tried build tension by looking into her eyes. She then said "I know what you are trying to do. I am not in the mood right now, I have period." I dismissed by saying we are just chilling. She then asked "So you approach girls and try to bring them home? How many girls you bring back home so far?". I said a few but I don't really count, just enjoy the moment with the girls. She then asked if I use Tinder. I said long time ago, but not now since I prefer approach and interacting with the girl. I then asked if she went to any guys home (since she asked about Tinder, so I assumed she slept with guys before). She said she had one-night stand before, but not today since she has period. Her looks were also a bit moody/gloomy. She asked if she can have a cup of warm water. I then gave her warm water. She then asked if I read books, I said yeah I read non-fiction. We then talked for a while.
Ofcourse shes gloomy. you brought her there without normal consent and you then escalate physically.
youre coming suspiciously across as potentially dangerous
Shes just parading w the period.

This sorta action can lead to rape-type accusations fyi so correct yourself here immediately.

After a few failed attempt at escalating, I said I need to fetch her back to her hotel. She said yeah, and suddenly her expression become bright again, since she is able to go home now. She said "Are you disappointed tonight?". I said no I just go with the flow. I then drop her at her hotel.
the analysis is simple - see above.

You need to
- Correct your behavior as outlined right away. Dont bring girls home without consent especially when its obvious shes expecting something else. You really need to take this SERIOUSLY as its a total no-go to do this both legally and ethically.
- Learn game - youre honestly not ready for sex talk of sexual topics at the moment. Start learning verbal game if thats where your focus is. But learn the basics first. Ive outlined topics you can LOOK INTO yourself. You need to do the work cause its not a quick do this instead thing.

i assume youre either young or inexperienced. Just really try to understand the girls, basic social appropriateness and treat them well and safely.
 
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vicknick

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You need to
- Correct your behavior as outlined right away. Dont bring girls home without consent especially when its obvious shes expecting something else. You really need to take this SERIOUSLY as its a total no-go to do this both legally and ethically.
- Learn game - youre honestly not ready for sex talk of sexual topics at the moment. Start learning verbal game if thats where your focus is. But learn the basics first. Ive outlined topics you can LOOK INTO yourself. You need to do the work cause its not a quick do this instead thing.

i assume youre either young or inexperienced. Just really try to understand the girls, basic social appropriateness and treat them well and safely.
I have applied everything GC said on this site, but as you can see, when deep-diving the girl will gladly talk about it. However, any time I tried to infuse a bit of sexual theme, the girl will be not responsive to it. For example, for the advice you gave last time about "elicitation" and "stimulate her response", girls like it and talk about it, they will laugh and such, but in the end they just see you as friend.

Maybe you could give a simple dialogue as example where you elicit her?

For transition into sexual topic, girls will always reject it. For example, I tried using a gambit on this site where "personally think it is unfair that I as a guy can go around and sleep with whomever I want, whereas women will be labelled as sluts for it. No-one should be punished for who they are sexually…". When girls hear this, they know you are trying to introduce sexual topic, they know your game, so they just keep quiet or say "oh".

Another advice you gave last time is "Physically", where you mentioned you don't escalate on her, but instead sizzling for her and tempting her to touch you. Well, for all the girls I slept with, I always make the physical escalation first, even if it's a small escalation. My experience is that, if you don't physically escalate first, girls will just talk and talk with emotion, but they won't escalate first throughout the date. Rarely girls will make the first move. "Tempting" and "alluring" are just too abstract in my opinion, because girls will often not get detect signal from you, or they know you are tempting her but they will continue sit quietly.

For the bringing girl home part, I don't understand about this. If I mention "let's go somewhere else to talk" and we arrive at our home, and if the girl didn't quickly eject from the situation, then it means she doesn't reject you. Mentioning for consent by asking "let's go to my place" or anything that implies your place, will trigger the girls resistance and she will just say no, from my experience. Probably your culture is too conservative or strict, I am not sure.

Also, this girl will fly back to her home country two days later, so obviously I have no choice but to see where I can go with my best possible effort.
 
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Skills

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So could you mention what should I do for each part on the date? I read many times your advice but its too general.
yeah sorry about that, yeah i have written many practical post on the issues you are having, since is many issues i did not feel like linking.... Cause so many things you need to work on, from texting to dating to transitioning to sex talk.... So is not a 1 solution but many steps that you need to practice and master... specific cheat code, maybe the 3 bounce to start... i go over many of your issues...(i also did a demo)

 
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Glow

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You presented a problem - i gave field proven input on that to help circumvent the problem. You seem to want to stick to whats not working and continue your escalation via how you have done it and arguing that things dont work blaiming of the girl. Its obvious you make fast conclusions - instead try to get intel on what youre doing wrong and develop your calibration and repertoire.

ive pointed out how youve done a few directly problem generating things and links and mindsets for how to do other things.

The best thing you can do is to do proper field reports with details.

Also be careful with article based application of techs only. Articles are great to bring pulse to the community and outline loads of specific topics. But theyre fragmental. If you wanna do sextalk study the foundations. Eg language techniques via Riker that i wrote to you about can solve many of your problems eg quotes, negations, weasel phrases and suggestions for sliding things in and impacting her. SOTS can provide gateways sexual subjects. Respect the practice more and learn it and techs with an attentive attitude and intention while understanding this unveils gradually as you engage with it.

Use what i gave you. or dont. sorry dont have time to pin it out.
 
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