How to get same date lay with these constraints

[empath]

Background

I have been to 4-5 dates like these and have always been unsucessful in getting the lay.

Constraints

1. The girls live with their parents.

2. She lives with her parents so she needs to go back home.

3. I have max 3-4 hours with her

4.The date is set into a cafe/restaurant and going back to my place will take almost 30 mins.

5.Its a weekday

6. Public sex is highly unlikely because its India duh and very less location to pull nearby


What should be high level strategy

what frames to set in starting of interaction

Some more background

This date is on tuesady. So I can set some frames over the text too. Till now its been planned as a romantic adventure with me stealing her heart.

But she planned to meet at a fancy italian resturant near her office / home place cause she is busy.

Option 1
Is to go to date like this and them try to seduce her

Option 2
I do some texting seed location near my apartment and area near me and convince her to meet me there. Though there is nothing that great as such.

Option 3
Flake on the date and reschedule on the weeked

Option 2-3 might lead to losing the date itself.

Option 1 I am for now certain I will not get the lay.

 

[empath]

Can't edit the post so.

One more constrain.

Also, she doesn't drink or smoke.

 

[James D]

Having been to India, I can see how public sex is not an option.

Seems like your logistical escalation isn't so smooth and it's not your fault.

You're not benefiting from the chilling and vibing until you both "happen" to be at the seduction location, where you effortlessly make a move and transition to lovers.

Going to your place is a distinct move she will have to logically and emotionally accept.

Logically is how much she is consciously aware of liking you and wants to go back home with you.

With girls for whom you're exactly their types, they already have a very logical reason to like you and even more so to go home with you.

That's more or less fixed variable for any individual girl.

What you can work on is a couple of plausible deniable reasons to go back to yours.

Especially if she needs to save face, which is very understandable in India, then plausible deniability is a great way to add logic to this decision.

The next, and most important part, is the emotional part.

That's making her so aroused and connected/comfortable that going back to yours is clearly the next step in the courtship.

Take whatever dose of arousal you were mentally planning to trigger in her and dial it up by 75%, while of course calibrating to her—which is what game is about.

This is an excellent opportunity to sharpen your seduction skills.

 

[Stark]

Sexual framing is key to an effective first date pull.

If you met this girl online, I assume you already have initiated a sexual frame. On the date, you would expand on this with sex talk and gambits. If you’re not doing this with any girls, that’s the #1 reason you’re not pulling.

When a girl has a time constraint on first date, I would usually verbalise at the end of the date (after sexual framing) that I would like us to relax with each other in private next time. She will ask you what that means(even though she knows exactly what that means )

If you have your own place that’s great. Whenever I had logistics problems this is where I tell her I’ll be picking a place with a great view (Airbnb) . I don’t get into a logical discussion here. Key is to convey this and fractionate to other topics.

The girl usually agrees with a 99 % success rate if you have done the sexual frame earlier.

I live in India and have field tested this extensively. I have lived in US where I have used the same method. And I must say when you can be a sexy guy who’s non needy and take care of logistics in a charming way , Indian girls are just as compliant (if not more because it’s rare for them to meet a guy who has everything handled) to a smooth pull.

 

[empath]

K

Sexual framing is key to an effective first date pull.

If you met this girl online, I assume you already have initiated a sexual frame. On the date, you would expand on this with sex talk and gambits. If you’re not doing this with any girls, that’s the #1 reason you’re not pulling.

When a girl has a time constraint on first date, I would usually verbalise at the end of the date (after sexual framing) that I would like us to relax with each other in private next time. She will ask you what that means(even though she knows exactly what that means )

If you have your own place that’s great. Whenever I had logistics problems this is where I tell her I’ll be picking a place with a great view (Airbnb) . I don’t get into a logical discussion here. Key is to convey this and fractionate to other topics.

The girl usually agrees with a 99 % success rate if you have done the sexual frame earlier.

I live in India and have field tested this extensively. I have lived in US where I have used the same method. And I must say when you can be a sexy guy who’s non needy and take care of logistics in a charming way , Indian girls are just as compliant (if not more because it’s rare for them to meet a guy who has everything handled) to a smooth pull.

I initiated a romantic adventure frame but nothing sexual yet.

She seems someone looking for a relationship but will set up some light sexual frames over the text.

Curious are you Indian or Expat.

 

[empath]

Sexual framing is key to an effective first date pull.

If you met this girl online, I assume you already have initiated a sexual frame. On the date, you would expand on this with sex talk and gambits. If you’re not doing this with any girls, that’s the #1 reason you’re not pulling.

When a girl has a time constraint on first date, I would usually verbalise at the end of the date (after sexual framing) that I would like us to relax with each other in private next time. She will ask you what that means(even though she knows exactly what that means )

If you have your own place that’s great. Whenever I had logistics problems this is where I tell her I’ll be picking a place with a great view (Airbnb) . I don’t get into a logical discussion here. Key is to convey this and fractionate to other topics.

The girl usually agrees with a 99 % success rate if you have done the sexual frame earlier.

I live in India and have field tested this extensively. I have lived in US where I have used the same method. And I must say when you can be a sexy guy who’s non needy and take care of logistics in a charming way , Indian girls are just as compliant (if not more because it’s rare for them to meet a guy who has everything handled) to a smooth pull.

I want to pull her on first date itself.

I have my place with a great view.

Can you give some example of sexual frames that have worked for you in India and how do you usually set them.

 

[Stark]

K

I initiated a romantic adventure frame but nothing sexual yet.

She seems someone looking for a relationship but will set up some light sexual frames over the text.

Curious are you Indian or Expat.

I’ve field tested going on dates with sexual framing prior to the date and without. It’s an up hill battle when you don’t. If you remember the ‘Move fast’ article on girlschase , the faster you initiate a sexual frame the effective it is. It gets harder and harder as the date progresses.

I’m Indian.

 

[Stark]

I want to pull her on first date itself.

I have my place with a great view.

Can you give some example of sexual frames that have worked for you in India and how do you usually set them.

Take a look at this post.

This post is a super abbreviated version of what I do.

I'll write a detailed post sometime with the mindset behind it, overall vibe and details of gambits(I use my own version of Teevster's classics). In short I haven't come across an Indian girl who resisted sexual frame. They seem to bite harder than some of other Asian girls, as I had a challenge with the Japanese girl here.


To start with I want you to write down what do you like sexually, and what stereotype you can cast yourself into.

This is important. My initial texts that bordeline on indecent yet classic sexual framing is based on my personality.

Just don't be generic about sexual framing - that's not as powerful

Good news is there's always a genre of sexuality that you can slot yourself into most suited for your persona and sexual fetishes.

For example, if you're not an out and out dominant who likes to roughen girls up, you don't need to pretend to be one to get girls interested.

Also I have come across girls who are into cosplay that doesn't excite me. But if your're a comic nerd and geek out on characters that's something you should give a thought about.

It's impossible not to come up with a persona and scene that a big demographic of girls are into or are curious about.

 

[empath]

I ended up setting light sexual frames over the text and changing the venue to a chowpatty. Better than a fancy resturant.


Frames set till now is.

She is mischevious

See her wild side.

We can share secrets and keep those safe for each other.

Built a bit of similarty over me writing poems and she being an artist.

Now roadblock.


Me: Hmm... yk my idea of adventure was something simple... like sharing stories and good laughs in each others arms on a rooftop ...

She: Hold your horses
She: I don’t even know your full name
She: We could just go to chowpatty or something


I think before working on arousal I will need to work on similarty and raise the floor first.

 

[empath]

I will write the interaction here for the sake of completeness.

Also, I am not having these kind of dates anymore, waste of time.

interaction

The date started at 7:40 and ended around 8:40 so lasted for an hour.

Usually my dates last around (last one where I pulled lasted ~ 3 hours before the pull. It started at 8:30 and I pulled around 11 or 11:30.

I usually build a similarity for 1-1.5 hour and then arousal and push pull.)

This was just bad.

I was late so girl was waiting for 30 mins for me.

Now this girl was very assertive/taking the lead of conversation etc.

5-10 mins we walk and go towards grabbing food. She is hungry.

Next 10-15 mins spent around eating the food.

So spent 15-20 mins without any use.

Here we talk just basics where we are from and all.

She keep aksing, say how it is going...how are you etc. repeatedly
(Reminded me of another failed date)

I tell her to wait. It's tough to talk while eating. So she calms down a bit and stops her question asking mode.

After finishing food we walk a bit still talking about random topics, looking for a place to sit.

In 5 mins we reach a place to sit. Which is a bit less crowded.

I check with her if she wants to sit or we walk.

Then we sit.

Here we end up talking about movies and all.

I try to bond on movies.
(There was no need to do it because of time constraints I needed something to arouse her but and it was not sexy)

Then we rambled about binge watching movies etc.

We talked about books

Lastly music.

She shows me there is this spot and that famous spot.

But yeah every topic was 2-3 min long.

Not deep dived etc.

Tried talking about leaving alone etc. or travelling but she mentioned she travels with her family.

Again somehow with this girl, I end doing most of the talking, telling my stories (not my style, I rarely talk about myself)

She is in very social mode and I too get into social mode.

Then she says lets get an ice cream. The cue that we are leaving.

Another bomb, her home is like 15 mins away from that place.

So she takes some ice cream for her home too

The date ends.