I freaking hate Kino!!! Can I move past it?

[Space]

Last time you gave me a rundown on the generations of pickup (1st, 2nd, and 3rd). Of course quite a few guys I've recently discovered don't fit your categories, but who cares.

No it wasn't you. It was @Cody Lyans. My bad. With time I learn who is who.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

You're probably doing it wrong. Sure, you can do all verbal game and barely touch a girl (which can also really turn her on; she will CRAVE IT). But man...touching a girl is just amazing.

I suspect that if girls frequently get weirded out by you touching them, then you need to work on your fundamentals. Until then, yeah, stick to verbal game.

If you're not touching girls, then it's all about your voice and eye contact.

Eye contact can linger after you finish talking for a few seconds. Stare at her like you're hungry but with a light smirk on your face. Don't look down, whatever you do (but you can look away sideways, but best to hold it until she says "What?" and then you say something like "Just admiring you. You're very beautiful).

Your voice needs to be your instrument. Master that bitch and try different tonalities/rhythms to see if girls will get wet for you.

Hector

 

[Shake&Bake]

If I could reach through this screen and slap you I would.

Basically all men are cars. I fix men. When they say dumb shit like "Touching doesn't work for me" that's like saying "Gas doesn't work in my car." It's like a writer saying "Paragraphs don't work for me," or a dancer saying "Music doesn't work for me."

What you're really saying is "I haven't been validated by women so my self esteem is low. I touched a girl last week and she gave me a funny look which I interpreted as bad, and now I'm going to complain that I'm different and more special than the hundreds of thousands of other men who have learned this stuff, because I'm not good looking like all of them."

I know I sound harsh but I've dealt with hundreds of men in real life bootcamps, and trust me, they can all learn how to use kino effectively. Tall, short, ugly, handsome, fat, bald, black, brown, asian. It doesn't matter.

I'm not of this tough love bullshit. We are not friends we didn't grow up down the street from one another

 

[Woods Runner]

I never use kino except a mild touch on the lower back once in a while. I'm relatively new to game but my understanding is that you need to find what works for you and stick to that. You don't have to do a 1000 things to get a girl to want to fuck you, you just need to do one or two things and then not fuck it up. If kino dosen't work for you, then I would suggest you use triangular gazing instead, it's more subtle and harder to over-do than Kino. And boy does it work, I would argue it is a more powerful intimacy builder than kino if done heavily. It also doesn't trigger ASD or FSC. Very under-used technique... Kino works by the way, I've seen the best natural I know (my brother) pick up 10s in less than 20 seconds with **well calibrated** cave-man kino many times. Saying that something doesn't work period because it doesn't work for you is not the right frame of mind to reach Absolute Abundance. Keep your eyes on the prize, no whining . Good luck.

 

[Shake&Bake]

You don't have to do a 1000 things to get a girl to want to fuck you

Sure as hell feels like it

 

[13829938]

Sure as hell feels like it

Nah you are majorly overcomplicating it, that's why you "hate" it. Kino is basically the most gratifying part of seduction and the reason why we're all here haha.

There's really a context to everything. If I am in a night club with a group of hot girls who are my friends, I'm tipsy, it's getting late, and I have a really solid social vibe with preselection... I can skip some steps. I can talk to a girl and right away rest my hand on the small of her back. Instant sexual kino, right there. If she accepts it that's a big compliance leap.

BUT... usually you have to do something first to get there. I am introverted and I've also taken a leaf out of Teevster's book with the high ratio game. I fucking hate being rejected. And I used to do that 60YoC numbers game stuff. But now I try and go more subtle.

If you start with just verbal game, kino follows naturally. You'll be talking and tease her a little. She'll laugh. She'll punch you lightly on the arm. In these moments where you are both feeling this emotional spike, you can touch her on the upper shoulder. It's so light and natural. Sometimes I even use the back of my hand against her arm. It's so innocent and natural of a touch. There's no WAY anything can go bad. I can sense how she reacts to it though, which will decide if I use my NEXT level of kino. In this case I'm likely moving her, so I would either direct her by her shoulder lightly, or, if it's going really well, the small of her back. LEAD her NATURALLY. So... where's the "kino"? The techniques? It's totally natural. I'm not losing my shit seeing if I need to be rubbing her in some weird way.

Keep it simple. Talk -> light, innocent touch -> leading touch -> RAPPORT/COMPLIANCE ESTABLISHED

See once you have compliance, you can go to the next level. NOW the small of the back. Sexual tension. Hold her hand. And like 60 says, if she will hold you hand and reciprocate the affection... you can go for the kiss! From the kiss it's just sexual escalation 101 baby. Neck, small of the back, ass, tits, french kiss, pick up, pound.

You can either go Skills dancefloor route and escalate ALL with "kino". Or you can use it as an accent to natural conversation spikes and leading moments. Whatever you do, you MUST weave touch into your seduction, or else you're not seducing. Sex is physical.

 

[Glow]

You'll be talking and tease her a little. She'll laugh. She'll punch you lightly on the arm. In these moments where you are both feeling this emotional spike, you can touch her on the upper shoulder. It's so light and natural. Sometimes I even use the back of my hand against her arm. It's so innocent and natural of a touch. There's no WAY anything can go bad. I can sense how she reacts to it though, which will decide if I use my NEXT level of kino. In this case I'm likely moving her, so I would either direct her by her shoulder lightly, or, if it's going really well, the small of her back. LEAD her NATURALLY. So... where's the "kino"? The techniques? It's totally natural. I'm not losing my shit seeing if I need to be rubbing her in some weird way..

Good stuff Gifted

Just give additional to it for another level of it - you can expand this to using the playfulness in the beginning with touching at the same time - where the stimuli of the touch is packaged in playful teasing thus becoming a mix of stimuli that smoothns the touch.. Point being try to mix the two in together more in different ways. Maybe you know this but just what i got from the notions in your comment.

eg. a girl you just chatted up and moved close w side to side who says she has a bf, you: "oh nice - so he would go cray if i did this".. just sliding one finger slowly ovr her forearm with a deadpan and smile + a challenging vibe. Then shift, "haha no worries just though you looked like the party and could be fun talking.." w more warm vibe for rapport-connection.

Or for example ive used touch mini gambits where i touch her while describing nuances of touch eg on the relationship between speed of movement and feel to display and show that i can engage with at the right moments to lead her into wanting touch..

just to give concrete ideas

To be used w girls who are in the right states for it. Like this it can launch the seduction right into sexy playfulness right of the bat. Or it can shift things into another gear more swiftly to stir a different energy. more feisty and sissling. If you read her well before going in. And its just a principle of doing to understand and play with. You can make it more intense w a sassy girl whos in unfolding fun and sass mode for example.