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KJ Francis

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Good counterpoints! Makes sense that ASD guys would take longer to successfully reproduce. Same with relative vs. absolute risk. Here's more on the topic (see geek culture heading).


A study in the Nature Genetics journal found that the age related mutations were not enough to explain the autism.

As you were, geezers...
 
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isildur1

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If a man stays physically fit, strong, with a muscular but lean build, almost never drinks alcohol, gets a good 8/9 hours' sleep the vast majority of nights, and, despite being single, keeps up an active sex life during his twenties and thirties, if he should find a female he wishes to marry, who would, of necessity, be younger than him by around 10 years or more, is it true that if he were to sire, through her womb (she would be between 25 and 30), a few children, when he was in his late thirties/early forties, or even mid to late forties, his children would of necessity be born autistic or schizophrenic due to the purported degeneration of his spermatozoa?

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That’s a really thoughtful and nuanced question — and no, it is not true that children will necessarily be born with autism or schizophrenia if a man fathers them in his late 30s to late 40s. There are slight increases in risk with paternal age, but they are not deterministic, and certainly not "of necessity."

Let’s break it down:

✅ The Good News

The lifestyle you're describing — physically fit, lean/muscular build, great sleep hygiene, minimal alcohol, active sex life — all contribute positively to:

  • Hormonal health (e.g., maintaining healthy testosterone levels)
  • Sperm quality (motility, morphology, and count)
  • Lower inflammation and oxidative stress, which affect DNA integrity
You’re stacking the deck in your favor. Many studies show that lifestyle factors can mitigate some of the natural effects of aging on sperm.



🧬 The Science on Paternal Age

Starting around age 35–40, there is a gradual increase in certain risks associated with paternal age, such as:

  • Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD): Risk increases slightly per year after about age 35.
  • Schizophrenia: Studies suggest about double the risk if father is over 45, but the baseline risk is still low.
  • Some rare genetic disorders: Like achondroplasia and Apert syndrome, which result from de novo mutations in sperm.
However:

  • These risks are still relatively small in absolute terms.
  • A healthy man in his 40s has a very good chance of fathering healthy children, especially with a younger partner in her peak reproductive years (mid-20s to early 30s).
  • Most children born to older dads are completely healthy.


📉 Perspective on Risk

Here’s an analogy:

  • Say the baseline risk of autism is 1.5%.
  • A doubling of that (for a 45-year-old dad) is about 3%.
  • That means 97% chance of no autism, even with the elevated risk.
So it’s not guaranteed, and even the increase is modest — especially considering that maternal age, health, and genetics also play a big role.



🧠 Bottom Line

If you take care of your body and mind the way you described — and partner with a woman in her fertile, healthy years — you're giving your potential children an excellent biological start.

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Of course, I'm not saying you should delay fatherhood, if you're in your twenties, have already tasted lots of different high quality girls, and wish to settle down.

I'm just trying to provide a bit of perspective on the potential anxiety that information taken out of context can have on guys who were slower developing (which a lot of men are) and thus are still single past 35.
Well a lot of young people in the daygame space think they have time but the reality is the majority of them aren’t working hard



I hung around a lot of daygamers and I’d say the majority were lazy or took daygame for granted and weren’t doing enough volume or sets to make an impact. Most would give up after 1-2 sessions because they couldn’t deal with the burden of holding many conversations . I’d say statistically 80 percent at least are never gonna reach 1 daygame lay - harsh reality is it takes a lot of bravery and courage which most people simply don’t have . Daygame requires a lot of independence , courage and determination which men in the west are sorely lacking and I’d say people under the age of 25 tend to have terrible work ethics and take their time for granted I can say that being one of them- I used to stand around Oxford street in London for 5-6 hours and never open anyone before going home. I met a lot of young people 18-22 who couldn’t hack doing it and gave up - whether it’s an ego thing or not really valuing the importance of face to face connections. Society has made it easier to “check out” onto porn and dating apps now rather than doing anything meaningful in real life .



So yeah I regret how I handled my early 20s I did a lot of night game but the quality of women weren’t great even the attractive ones tended to have alcohol or drug problems and online wasn’t giving me the volume I needed. Daygame exposed my weaknesses in carrying conversions , but even when I did well I still procrastinated and got caught in my head a lot thus losing many and opportunity along the way - and



dealing with upsets is tough especially now seeing as there are not many leaders in the space - when I started in 2017 there was the pua forums, natural lifestyles and Tom torero podcasts which was the bulk of the advice I took- now a lot of those tnl 21 convention speeches are deleted and Tom torero is dead plus most the pua forums bar this one and rosh v’s are dead - so the community has thinned down a lot . I think it’s harder for anyone starting out now relative to 2017 because the community runs so thin and most men have checked out to online or porn/video games

so most people in their early 20s may have time on their side but few will use it. Most men are too scared to take the ego hit of daygame if you go up to a successful 20 year old university jock and tell him to hit the streets he probably will be too egotistical to do so even if the award at the end of the tunnel is a 10 . I’ve daygamed with models and successful men and sometimes they’re the worst wingmen to have because they take every rejection as a massive hit that they’re not used to beforehand
 

isildur1

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I wonder about causation here.

Just anecdotally, it seems like a lot of the vehemently anti-marriage guys who soften their stances and marry/have children later in life are autistic. It also seems like a lot of autistic guys delay marriage while they focus on their careers, and only circle back to figuring out women once they've got their money/status on lock (possibly too hard / too much work for them before that point).

Autistic men also have very high divorce rates (>90% IIRC), which means they're a lot more likely to be back on the dating scene again as older men than non-autistic men are. Presumably you'd expect re-marriage rates + kids with the new wife to be higher for them.

Could be similar factors at play with schizophrenia. Schizophrenic men don't exactly seem like they'd be pillars of marital stability, though I haven't looked into stats specifically on their relationship outcomes.

Anyway, unless they identify some clear biological cause, my suspicion here would be that it is simply the case that autistic & schizophrenic men are just more likely to reproduce later in life vs. earlier in life, whereas neurotypical men are having children on average at younger ages than atypical men are.

Chase
My brother has Asperger’s and got cheated on three times in his marriage he was hopelessly naive all the time.

I do wonder if modern day excessive screen time , video game and porn addiction exhasterbate the symptoms of such neurodevelopmental disorders
 

Aussiedude

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My brother has Asperger’s and got cheated on three times in his marriage he was hopelessly naive all the time.

I do wonder if modern day excessive screen time , video game and porn addiction exhasterbate the symptoms of such neurodevelopmental disorders
In childhood 100%. Kids who grow up staring at a screen constantly. That can't be good.
 

isildur1

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In childhood 100%. Kids who grow up staring at a screen constantly. That can't be good.
My friend is a kindergarten teacher in Australia she noted a rampant increase in autism in her students after Covid lockdowns occurred - said a lot of her students had become unteachable as a result of it


We are also seeing an autism rate in men of 4 times that of women so there’s something in the environment that’s causing men to be more autistic- perhaps it’s the screens video game addiction and porn- at high school and university I rarely met any women that had a problem with those but met a plethora of men including myself with those issues
 
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