Is dating just going to suck for men until we reach 25 or older?

[Shake&Bake]

Im 23. And I noticed that absolutely no girls want you in your early years. So are we just supposed to lick ourselves in the closets until the right age?

 

[Teevster]

This is simply not true.

It is a limiting belief. How do I know?

Well consider that I started with pick up at 15... and went to clubs at 16 and 17 and having sex with women in their 20's. I never had any issues.

Could you perhaps state why you have such belief? That could help us discern it maybe.

Best,

 

[Shake&Bake]

This is simply not true.

It is a limiting belief. How do I know?

Well consider that I started with pick up at 15... and went to clubs at 16 and 17 and having sex with women in their 20's. I never had any issues.

Could you perhaps state why you have such belief? That could help us discern it maybe.

Best,

You must have absolutely killer game then. The rest of us have to wait

 

[Teevster]

You must have absolutely killer game then. The rest of us have to wait

I will accept this statement until you provide reasons for why that is.

Hint: you are wrong, and you know you will be better off accepting it.

So do yourself a favor and tell us (me) why you hold such a belief.

PS: there is no shame in having limiting beliefs, however, there is glory in fighting them and get rid of them.

 

[Shake&Bake]

I will accept this statement until you provide reasons for why that is.

Hint: you are wrong, and you know you will be better off accepting it.

So do yourself a favor and tell us (me) why you hold such a belief.

PS: there is no shame in having limiting beliefs, however, there is glory in fighting them and get rid of them.

Because it's true. You didn't get all that success off pure luck. It's funny how you deny that

 

[Chrance]

Shake&Bake

I have not banged as many women as teevster. In fact, you are probably better than me at picking up chicks. But think about it, what you are saying defies common sense and human history. People have been fucking each other under 25 years old since we were poking dinosaurs with sticks! I am literally 25 years old. It is indeed true that meeting girls now is a lot easier than when I was your age, 23; but this is due to experience, putting in the work, which is a perpetual struggle. The only factor that makes the 25-year-old you more attractive than the 23-year-old you is maturity, which occurs through experience, not time itself. This is why putting down the number 25 as the benchmark age is hilarious. If only I was told this fact! Maybe there was a genie bottle I missed in the mail on my 25th birthday to grant me my enhancement.

You'll be fine man. I lost my virginity at 23. It was in fact a time filled with a lot of turmoil and serious life choices, so maybe that's what you are facing. It's tough to get everything you want out of life all at the same time.

- Chrance.

 

[Glow]

Never seen this much whining in a forum.

Keep doing it and youll be reported for wasting our time.

Many people gave you good feedback across youre many similar posts - people have been very friendly and detailed.

So atm youre all noise in here lowering the quality of the forum.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Im 23. And I noticed that absolutely no girls want you in your early years. So are we just supposed to lick ourselves in the closets until the right age?

On a macro level, yes. For many people.

For Girlschase members, take this website knowledge seriously. It is a golden haven for understanding women. You also must have self awareness to know this website is also a business. Have self awareness to know that you can see Zac's opinion, and who he is, and where he comes from, but also from where you are, and then find that middle ground.

Stop complaining. No one cares. and if they do care, they care from their state.

Thus that itself is fine line between suicide, death and freedom at a whole another level. Because you learn that ppl cannot care for you because they are operate from their state.

p.s: For high level guys, this is micro nuance ideas you can apply, where girls recognize you perceive them without a state/empty state. Pseudoscience btw. i can't explain it for now.

 

[Carousel]

Stop whining about this and start leaving your house. Guys at your age is hooking up both in college and in clubs. If you go visit such places, you will notice.

 

[Shake&Bake]

Stop whining about this and start leaving your house. Guys at your age is hooking up both in college and in clubs. If you go visit such places, you will notice.

Advice you guys never work. I just wanna put that out there. But it's comedic how you think the tough love bit does work

 

[Carousel]

Advice you guys never work. I just wanna put that out there. But it's comedic how you think the tough love bit does work

You are free to believe this, just as you are free to believe that you have to wait until you are 25 in order to get results.

But then I suggest you post somewhere else than here, because if you actually believe nothing here will aid you or that stuff is hopeless for 2 years, nobody here can help you. This forum is for people who believe that change and results are actually possible in their current life phase.

 

[DarkKnight]

Shake, if that is the case I am really curious. What is it that you actually want from this forum? You had a really empathic super well written response from the head honcho. Complaining about tough love is a situation that you create.

Honestly I cannot stop but wonder, what you would have achieved if you put the same energy in your diet, sports, fashion etc. Even that would bring more incremental value than this.

 

[Tie5o11]

Early 20's is a great time to go for 18-24yo girls. As a guy in his early 30's, we generally have the advantage overall with women (you'll get here soon enough), but once a girl is too young, its hard to connect and a lot autoreject you. Enjoy them while you can.

 

[Fuck This]

I can see how you would think that. Average age of losing virginity is going up, and fewer people are having sex worldwide. But I also think Face to face communication skills among people under 25 is poorer than the generation before it.

I can draw I highly correlated positive relationship between conversation skills and sexual encounters. I'll bet you don't feel comfortable talking to people and finding out more about them? When you do a whole different world will open o you but it is up to you to develop that and get over your insecurity.

 

[naturalmikey]

hit the gym hard. focus on that instead of pickup for a while. a lot more guys are getting laid through being ripped than pickup. in 2-3 months your body will be considerably better and your confidence will be up a lot. your better looks plus increased confidence should have a very positive effect on your ability to implement pickup theory.

also, all this pickup theory probably has created an illusion in your mind that you have to do more than what is necessary to get laid. i don't care what the majority of this forum says, getting laid regularly is not that hard. getting started is the only hard part. get in shape and find a way of dress that works for you. shit probably will realistically get better for you as you get older. keep your head up and do the best you can now.

 

[Glow]

OP Youve been reported.

Mods maybe just close his posts and give him a clear official warning he understands. If he can.

So that people want waste time w. his incessant whiny claims and odd style of resisting good input from fellow forum members.

I leave it up to you ofc. just expressing my opinion.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Because it's true. You didn't get all that success off pure luck. It's funny how you deny that

So @Shake&Bake your basically saying that Teevster (and ALL the other members on this forum, myself included, who got good success before age 25) got it because we had SKILL.

You stated that twice. And you are correct in your statement. We did get success as a young men because we had (or rather built) skill.

As much as it sucks to put in the hard work you are going to have to develop some skill yourself if you want success.

However until you take responsibility for your situation and admit that "The reason I cant get girls is because I suck, and I need to become a better version of myself" you will NEVER be able to get girls.

Incels blame things out of their control. Seducers realize THEY are the problem and spend 1000's of hours meticulously improving themselves to become epic pimps.

I feel for you man and I know how tough and lonely and scary it is when you're trapped inside that mentality. I wish we could help you but unfortunately you're the only one that can help yourself.

Really pulling for you man. Hope you can get past these mental shackles you have placed on yourself.

 

[Mike Silvertree]

@Shake&Bake: Advice you guys never work. I just wanna put that out there.

The advice this community provides has worked for a huge number of men over the last few decades. It is field tested and proven to work. However, you have to actually listen and then work on understanding it, and then try applying it in the real world. 2 billion whiny posts will not give you as much progress as one actual interaction with a real woman, or one improvement to how you present yourself to the world.

It's time for you to step away from the keyboard, quit whining, and start taking action. Turning around a fucked life is like cleaning up your house after a party. You just have to pick something and start cleaning; whining won't get it done.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Early 20's is a great time to go for 18-24yo girls. As a guy in his early 30's, we generally have the advantage overall with women (you'll get here soon enough), but once a girl is too young, its hard to connect and a lot autoreject you. Enjoy them while you can.

I think this is a really important distinction to make on this thread, and glad you pointed this out.

If you're 21 years old, you have solid access to 17-24 year old women.
If you're 24 years old, you have solid access to 17-27 year old women.
If you're 28 years old, you still have access to 17-21 year old women, but it's much harder to connect with them and find them. Additionally, you also have solid access to 22-33 year old women.
If you're 33 years old, you still have access to 17-23 year old women, but it's even harder to connect with them. You'll have solid access to 24-40 year old women.

These are just rough estimates - the basic idea is that your pool gets bigger, but it becomes a bigger problem connecting to the younger women. It's also equally easier to purely be a lover with younger women - you're the older secret lover that her friends don't know about, but provide great sex and a mature FB situation. That's a desirable thing for a lot of young women 18-23 years old.

As a 32 year old guy, in 2019 the youngest girl I went on a date with was 18, and the oldest was in her early 40s. Huge range, and way more opportunities across the board, but very hard to connect with the younger girls. The youngest girl I had sex with was 20.

 

[Hue]

Im 23. And I noticed that absolutely no girls want you in your early years. So are we just supposed to lick ourselves in the closets until the right age?

I'm 23. And I noticed after tallying my lay count that I've slept with 66 different girls to date. So I strongly suggest you ditch the perspective that just because you haven't been successful recently it's because of your age (which you can't change).

What you can change is everything GC recommends changing, and the malleable factors that there are hundreds of articles and thousands of forum posts on. I really hope you realize the opportunity in front of you and take advantage of it.


Hue