Is it possible I'm shadow banned on Tinder or are my pictures THAT bad..?

[Regal Tiger]

Guys i hired a photographer, and it was a waste of money, here is a trick that i learned.... I am the least photogenic guy there is......

Then the photographer you got probably wasn't very good or specialized in something else. Or even you two just didn't get along

Step 1:
Get a newer phone iphone, samsumg, google newer ones, aka a phone with high quality camara

step 2:

DO NOT TAKE PICS, video tape yourself (by video taping efficiently you got a billion pictures with a billion angles)

Absolutely not. Videos inherently have lower pixel rates than pictures (they take more to produce) which means your screenshots will not be as good as a photo would have been

Higher chances of your screenshots being grainy

I've done years of testing with this and I will tell you here's the list of importance on a photo:

1) resolution (if it's good it isn't noticable, which is what a lot of online related things comes down to). If it's bad then nothing further down matters, photo is shit

2) how presentable you are in the photo. If you have a big stain on your shirt, or you're doing something weird (or if you're not her type also counts) then the photo is trash and nothing further down matters

3) how attractive you are -- here you're finally starting to get a liiiiiiittle leeway because you should already have posed well in the photo. If you have an unflattering pose then that's in presentation. But if you spend 3 months getting in phenomenal shape then obviously you're going to crush it even harder

4) your lifestyle that you show off in your photos

5) your texting

Step 3:

do video pictures (in other words the video you can pause and take a pic, this is allowed in most modern phones)

Step 4:

Use one of the newer app editors i forgot the name (but minimally no much) you don't want overly filter pics....


as of break downs i think to get open and matches is 50% pics... So the pics just get you open and matches

then texting/strategy is super important to convert those matches to dates another 25%

then date super important to convert date to lay another 25%

Again I have to disagree

Pictures are easily 80% of the battle. I personally even think the number is higher at like 90%

The rest of the 10% is just not fucking it up
- texting to set up the date as well as the date itself

^ the % to be honest is a bit of mental masturbation, cause the 3 are CRUCIAL, pics crucial, texting crucial, date crucial...

^ none of this matters if you are already shadow banned...

As for what kinds of photos to use here are my recommendations:

1st photo: something that shows off your body in the most flattering way possible. Have something to occupy your attention AWAY from the camera. Don't look at it
--> I sometimes call this the "style" picture because it should be your best/sexiest outfit

2nd photo: portrait where you are smiling and looking at the camera

3rd + photo: activity pictures of you and your hobbies or lifestyle

4th -- optional pictures: a fun personality picture can go here, another activity picture or even the polarizing hyper masculine photo (I have an example in the bonus book)

5th/last picture: your social picture. The ONLY one where you are allowed to have other people in the photo
--> have a big friend group where there are hot women is a big plus but ONLY IF the exact relationship between all of you is ambiguous. So no girlfriend picture or anything that could look like a girlfriend. You want friends who could poooooosibly be a girlfriend with the smokescreen of lots of friends

Additionally if you can get your guy friends to help you out tell them this in your social shot:
Have one dress similarly to you and the other to be very different. Then tell the similar one to dress down from you

There's cool science on if there are 3 options we compare the ones that are similar and the best of the similar ones is just the plain best
Example: if you have 1 orange and 2 apples then the orange isn't an option and we compare the 2 apples. Whichever apple is the best is just the most attractive option

That's a watered down version but gets the idea across

 

[POB]

Guys i hired a photographer, and it was a waste of money,

I used to think like that...untill my main asked me to take pictures with this particular guy.
It's not even close once you find the right professional.
Can barely recognize myself, and that's without any touch-up.
I look like a 10, easy.
And fuck me, I'm not even close to being 10, even on my best days lol.

step 2:

DO NOT TAKE PICS, video tape yourself (by video taping efficiently you got a billion pictures with a billion angles)

This may work to some extent, but as @Regal Tiger said, the resolution is gonna be worse.
Check the link I posted from photofeeler.
Number one objection from online girls is not enough clarity on guys photos.
Perfect resolution matters A LOT.

as of break downs i think to get open and matches is 50% pics... So the pics just get you open and matches

then texting/strategy is super important to convert those matches to dates another 25%

then date super important to convert date to lay another 25%

This is the sequence, but awesome pictures can change those numbers.
Worse pictures equal more work to get to dates.
I'll try to find a video of the guy who had almost perfect pictures and just messaged Mmmmm to girls.
Was opended a lot too (he was barely an 8 in my book).
He then just replied "You look kinda hot...we should meet"
Dumb as fuck....but the pictures did the work for him.

^ the % to be honest is a bit of mental masturbation, cause the 3 are CRUCIAL, pics crucial, texting crucial, date crucial...

Yeah, but that was not the point.
The point is to let the pictures do as much of the heavy lifting as possible.
Once you find the right guy, he will make you look 1-2 points above what you really are.
You are paying to get that illusion.

^ none of this matters if you are already shadow banned...

Agree.

 

[Skills]

Then the photographer you got probably wasn't very good or specialized in something else. Or even you two just didn't get along

Absolutely not. Videos inherently have lower pixel rates than pictures (they take more to produce) which means your screenshots will not be as good as a photo would have been

Higher chances of your screenshots being grainy

I've done years of testing with this and I will tell you here's the list of importance on a photo:

1) resolution (if it's good it isn't noticable, which is what a lot of online related things comes down to). If it's bad then nothing further down matters, photo is shit

2) how presentable you are in the photo. If you have a big stain on your shirt, or you're doing something weird (or if you're not her type also counts) then the photo is trash and nothing further down matters

3) how attractive you are -- here you're finally starting to get a liiiiiiittle leeway because you should already have posed well in the photo. If you have an unflattering pose then that's in presentation. But if you spend 3 months getting in phenomenal shape then obviously you're going to crush it even harder

4) your lifestyle that you show off in your photos

5) your texting


Again I have to disagree

Pictures are easily 80% of the battle. I personally even think the number is higher at like 90%

The rest of the 10% is just not fucking it up
- texting to set up the date as well as the date itself


As for what kinds of photos to use here are my recommendations:

1st photo: something that shows off your body in the most flattering way possible. Have something to occupy your attention AWAY from the camera. Don't look at it
--> I sometimes call this the "style" picture because it should be your best/sexiest outfit

2nd photo: portrait where you are smiling and looking at the camera

3rd + photo: activity pictures of you and your hobbies or lifestyle

4th -- optional pictures: a fun personality picture can go here, another activity picture or even the polarizing hyper masculine photo (I have an example in the bonus book)

5th/last picture: your social picture. The ONLY one where you are allowed to have other people in the photo
--> have a big friend group where there are hot women is a big plus but ONLY IF the exact relationship between all of you is ambiguous. So no girlfriend picture or anything that could look like a girlfriend. You want friends who could poooooosibly be a girlfriend with the smokescreen of lots of friends

Additionally if you can get your guy friends to help you out tell them this in your social shot:
Have one dress similarly to you and the other to be very different. Then tell the similar one to dress down from you

There's cool science on if there are 3 options we compare the ones that are similar and the best of the similar ones is just the plain best
Example: if you have 1 orange and 2 apples then the orange isn't an option and we compare the 2 apples. Whichever apple is the best is just the most attractive option

That's a watered down version but gets the idea across

Did you see the video i posted along with the post, i did that and the pictures were 50 times better than with the professional photographer... Is up to guys to field test...

 

[Skills]

I used to think like that...untill my main asked me to take pictures with this particular guy.
It's not even close once you find the right professional.
Can barely recognize myself, and that's without any touch-up.
I look like a 10, easy.
And fuck me, I'm not even close to being 10, even on my best days lol.

This may work to some extent, but as @Regal Tiger said, the resolution is gonna be worse.
Check the link I posted from photofeeler.
Number one objection from online girls is not enough clarity on guys photos.
Perfect resolution matters A LOT.

This is the sequence, but awesome pictures can change those numbers.
Worse pictures equal more work to get to dates.
I'll try to find a video of the guy who had almost perfect pictures and just messaged Mmmmm to girls.
Was opended a lot too (he was barely an 8 in my book).
He then just replied "You look kinda hot...we should meet"
Dumb as fuck....but the pictures did the work for him.

Yeah, but that was not the point.
The point is to let the pictures do as much of the heavy lifting as possible.
Once you find the right guy, he will make you look 1-2 points above what you really are.
You are paying to get that illusion.

Agree.

was the dude you are talking about in usa or brazil???

 

[Regal Tiger]

Did you see the video i posted along with the post, i did that and the pictures were 50 times better than with the professional photographer... Is up to guys to field test...

Again, the photographer you had was crap, outside of their comfort zone or you two didn't get along

I respect the fact that you probably know A LOT more about seduction than I do. But I also know that I know more about online dating than just about anyone in the community. It's how I got my start. I learned everything while learning online. I was CONSTANTLY testing new thing after new thing for years. And I've also grown into a passion for photography itself

You probably know more than me overall in the grand scheme of things with women. But not when it comes to photography and online dating

You get a competent photographer who is used to making men look good for online dating AND you get along with and you will get results that make your phone pictures look like the trash a lotta photographers say the are. Phones have come a long way, but so have cameras. They're not the same and will never be the same

 

[Skills]

Again, the photographer you had was crap, outside of their comfort zone or you two didn't get along

I respect the fact that you probably know A LOT more about seduction than I do. But I also know that I know more about online dating than just about anyone in the community. It's how I got my start. I learned everything while learning online. I was CONSTANTLY testing new thing after new thing for years. And I've also grown into a passion for photography itself

You probably know more than me overall in the grand scheme of things with women. But not when it comes to photography and online dating

You get a competent photographer who is used to making men look good for online dating AND you get along with and you will get results that make your phone pictures look like the trash a lotta photographers say the are. Phones have come a long way, but so have cameras. They're not the same and will never be the same

The community is based on field testing... i field tested hiring a photographer who i got along well with, it did not work... i field tested what i recommend. Got better results... hiring a good photographer also is no practical, most wont and againg no necesarry with the newer phonei @topcat also got over 100 lays no professional, same with @TomInHo same with pwf, none had professional... if you can find a professional that knows what he is doing on term of seduction great... hire a photographer field tested did not work for me....


P.s the you know more about online is he said, i can say i have a 50 inch retractable dick... a rich man does not have to say he is rich

 

[Regal Tiger]

The community is based on field testing... i field tested hiring a photographer who i got along well with, it did not work... i field tested what i recommend. Got better results... hiring a good photographer also is no practical, most wont and againg no necesarry with the newer phonei @topcat also got over 100 lays no professional, same with @TomInHo same with pwf, none had professional... if you can find a professional that knows what he is doing on term of seduction great... hire a photographer field tested did not work for me....

Field tested one photographer who has a singular style

P.s the you know more about online is he said, i can say i have a 50 inch retractable dick... a rich man does not have to say he is rich

And I've backed up what I claimed with tons of info

Edit: one thing I forgot to mention to anyone else reading; you don't have to pay for a photographer. There are ways to get freebies without taking advantage of someone

If you work with someone willing to trade time for print/pics it's better for you. Most photographers have a style they'll naturally sink into and it probably won't make you sexy. But with someone who is new you will be able to take more creative control without annoying them since they won't have as much of an ego

AND you'll get the bonus "natural" effect you want. You want it to look like your buddy or girlfriend picked up a camera and accidentally got the perfect picture. Which means staying away from studios and likely established professionals (unless they specialize in online dating for men)

That means look on IG or MM for hobbyists.

But you still need a big boy camera. Your phone will only get you average or barely above average results. Not great ones

 

[TomInHo]

AND you'll get the bonus "natural" effect you want. You want it to look like your buddy or girlfriend picked up a camera and accidentally got the perfect picture.

Then why not do that?

You don't need a professional photographer. What's more important is the image you are portraying with your profile. You can take the photos yourself, use video captures or ask a friend to take photos for you in exchange for a round of drinks

Take as many photos as possible... you should have at least 100 in each session and pick the best ones. And for better feedback get one of your female friends to help you pick out the best ones that are flattering to you

No professional needed and it's a waste of time

But you still need a big boy camera. Your phone will only get you average or barely above average results. Not great ones

This is false

I have a DSLR camera and guess what my most liked photo is in my profile?

It's a car selfie of me looking seductively into my phone camera. If you know what you're doing you can take all your photos with a phone camera and still do amazing online

 

[POB]

What's missing in this thread is context.
Hiring a professional depends a lot on your individual situation.
In the end, what really matters is getting the right pictures that can sell you to the opposite sex.

I get why @Skills and @TomInHo do not need professional pictures.
Skills is a consumated seducer who dresses really well and can text his way into panties.
Tomin is a tall model mofo who is probably able to push his game like peanuts on a basketball game.
Heck, I never needed pro pics myself.
When I used apps my photos were gym selfies and cool travel pics that just showed my face, my physique and put me in the best possible light.

But the average looking guy probably needs all the help he can get if he goes online.
And I'm very positive those dudes can improve their results by ten fold just by hiring the right professional and taking the best pics.

 

[Skills]

What's missing in this thread is context.
Hiring a professional depends a lot on your individual situation.
In the end, what really matters is getting the right pictures that can sell you to the opposite sex.

I get why @Skills and @TomInHo do not need professional pictures.
Skills is a consumated seducer who dresses really well and can text his way into panties.
Tomin is a tall model mofo who is probably able to push his game like peanuts on a basketball game.
Heck, I never needed pro pics myself.
When I used apps my photos were gym selfies and cool travel pics that just showed my face, my physique and put me in the best possible light.

But the average looking guy probably needs all the help he can get if he goes online.
And I'm very positive those dudes can improve their results by ten fold just by hiring the right professional and taking the best pics.

Yeah the problem is i read the books saying hire a professional... most photographers in the interview will show you their best work... then you hire them it does not translate... as you say the right professional, but who is the right professional? Again, most dont know seduction... if the photographer is part of the seduction community and specializes in online, i am all for it... the reason i advocate different they wont be able to get the right pro...

 

[ElderPrice]

Sharing my experience below. I only read half the thread fwiw.

• It's not that girls are rejecting your profile, it's that tinder simply isn't showing your profile to anyone.
• When I quit the app a year or so ago, I got some matches with some decently attractive women... but only during that initial few hours or whatever new profile bump. (One reason I quit the app was because the new profile bump eventually stopped happening).
• Toward the end, I also tried tinder Gold and their boosts. IIRC the boosts at one point in their history were helpful, but toward the end they literally started yielding nothing for me, even though I was using them at the most-recommended times. I even contacted tinder and tried asking for a refund because I thought it was ridiculous how even as a paid user, boosts were getting zero likes and I was getting zero matches. I never tried Platinum which supposedly boosts your profile even more.
  • This to me shows that it's all about money for tinder the company. It's how they raise prices over time. Maybe in tinder's prime an average guy could use it for free and get satisfactory results, but now to achieve the same effect, it looks like that same guy would have to subscribe to Gold or Platinum, plus buy boosts, plus buy super likes.
• Photos
  • Because it's a photo-based app and because you are forced to be top 1% if you want to get results for free, you need the most perfect pictures imaginable. Good looking (you), good lighting, good background, you know how to pose like a model, cool/sexy thing you're doing.
  • On 3 or 4 separate occasions, I had friends come out for a photoshoot day where we took tons of pictures of each other for dating apps. Many were objectively great photos, but...
  • Mine all scored too low on Photofeeler for attractiveness. IMO Photofeeler is a great tool that shows you what specifically is lacking in your photos. It'll be the attractiveness score.
  • It's already been said: Really the only way to get perfect photos is to take hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures, then there should be a handful in there that are accidentally perfect and sexy looking. Paying for a shoot is probably a total waste of money. I bet you can get the same number of sexy, actually useful photos from sitting on your couch, putting a camera on a tripod, and have it auto-take photos of you til it's out of battery as you would from paying for a professional photoshoot!
  • Story FWIW: My photo rated #1 (by far) was taken while on a dinner date. I told the girl something like I need a new profile picture for social media. She whipped out her phone, I smiled, and that's it. I think my #2 and #3 best photos were from nightclub photographers. I don't think any of my photoshoot photos with friends cracked top 3 (the ones I was actually investing time on...)
    • Further, good luck finding a professional that actually knows how to take men's dating photos that work. The best overall photographers in your area will probably produce photos for you looking like a posed nice guy. They know how to take perfect outdoor shots during golden hour for engagements and weddings. They probably don't know how to coach you on how to look seductive or sexy.
• My recommendation to any guy nowadays is to not waste time chasing results on apps. For the multiple months or whatever chasing perfect photos, you could instead be learning skills or building situations in real life that both level you up AND organically bring more women into your life.

 

[Regal Tiger]

Then why not do that?

You don't need a professional photographer. What's more important is the image you are portraying with your profile. You can take the photos yourself, use video captures or ask a friend to take photos for you in exchange for a round of drinks

Take as many photos as possible... you should have at least 100 in each session and pick the best ones. And for better feedback get one of your female friends to help you pick out the best ones that are flattering to you

No professional needed and it's a waste of time

I don't recall ever saying you needed a professional photographer, only a camera better than your phone (so a professional camera for sure)
edit: --> I did say competent photographer or someone that knows what they're doing with a camera though. Mainly because a monkey with the biggest and bestest of anything is still just a monkey with an overpriced weight. But in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, it can really bring you some amazing results

This is false

I have a DSLR camera and guess what my most liked photo is in my profile?

It's a car selfie of me looking seductively into my phone camera. If you know what you're doing you can take all your photos with a phone camera and still do amazing online

No, it isn't. DSLR's are objectively better than camera phones. Better sensors, able to absorb more light, change lenses out and etc.