Is there really such a thing as "out of my league?"

[mella]

Hi guys, would you say there is really such a factor as being "out of a woman's league"?

I ask this because I saw this women recently, who worked at a very expensive store in a rich people's mall, and this broad was like a solid 10/10 in looks, dressed very richly, looked like a movie star, pretty much the stereotypical "blonde" that Chase wrote an article about before. Me on the other hand, I'm basically a redneck. Probably a 6/10 in looks at best. I come from a long line of rednecks and I walked into that rich mall dressed in walmart clothes. LBS. I thought about saying something to her but I decided against it because I figured it would never work out. What do we really have in common? Probably close to nothing. I'm an intellectual. She looked to me to be the materialist type, and you know, the type that wants a "picture-perfect" life as dictated by pop culture.

I don't really feel "fear" in these situations, rather I don't even know where to begin with someone who appears so vastly different from me. Plus I look at myself in the mirror and can't see what someone like her would want from a person like me. Maybe I don't have such a high opinion of myself, but how can I? If I am being serious now. I'm a minimum wage worker. I really don't think I have anything of value, whether on the inside or outside.

Let me know if any of you have dated women like this who were vastly different from you.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Hi guys, would you say there is really such a factor as being "out of a woman's league"?

I think it exists. If you're 80 and she's 21... unless it's a straight up financial exchange, probably not gonna happen. But the situation you described can be overcome.

I ask this because I saw this women recently, who worked at a very expensive store in a rich people's mall, and this broad was like a solid 10/10 in looks, dressed very richly, looked like a movie star, pretty much the stereotypical "blonde" that Chase wrote an article about before.

Her socio-economic value is far lower than it appears. She maybe working in a mall for rich people, and dress like rich people, but she's a shop clerk. 9 to 5 pleb, maybe minimum wage earner.

Me on the other hand, I'm basically a redneck. Probably a 6/10 in looks at best.

I'm probably a 6.5 I guess, looks/face wise. I've dated girls like this... the tall beautiful blondes in Western countries. I'm 6'1 that helps but I think more importantly:

1. other fundamentals (style, gym, etc.),
2. confidence (which comes from success, hard to just talk oneself into it without prior success)
3. charisma and verbal game

I come from a long line of rednecks and I walked into that rich mall dressed in walmart clothes.

Yeah I'd probably fix that before talking to her. The walmart clothes, I mean.

The redneck thing isn't an obstacle unless you have a thick accent that she would find "not classy" but which could be fixed. I can talk in my grand-father's redneck accent too or I can speak properly. It's good to be able to switch between the two.

LBS.

What's that?

What do we really have in common? Probably close to nothing. I'm an intellectual. She looked to me to be the materialist type, and you know, the type that wants a "picture-perfect" life as dictated by pop culture.

It sounds like you wouldn't want a woman like her for a long-term thing but you're still attracted to girls like her and would like to make the experience.

Totally doable but it comes with a warning, sexual relationships sometimes turn into attachments unintentionally and then you have a poorly-matched long-term relationship.

So you'd have to learn a bit about "managing emotions" if you plan on getting involved with girls who aren't a long-term match. I wrote a bunch about that in my relationship series which is linked in my signature.

I don't really feel "fear" in these situations, rather I don't even know where to begin with someone who appears so vastly different from me.

My conversations with all women are mostly the same for the first 20 to 25 minutes because there are a few key switches that need to be flipped on the biological level first (attention, interest, attraction, compliance, frames, etc.) before we can even get to those cultural levels.

In old-school pickup artistry this was called a "gameplan". There's a few things that work really well so if you do them every time your success ratio will go up. Those things are universally attractive to most females, so no need to change it up for different archetypes.

That comes later in deeper conversation after the first half hour.

Plus I look at myself in the mirror and can't see what someone like her would want from a person like me. Maybe I don't have such a high opinion of myself, but how can I?

This is actually a valid point. Maybe you do need to reinvent your life? Can you think of something in your life that would make you uniquely interesting or different from average Joes?

If not, is there something you're interested in that would be that? If so, can you start putting this in your life? At age 16 I figured out that girls like musicians and went pro.

"Every professional musician who says he didn't get into the industry because of the girls is either lying or gay." - Gene Simmons.

Doesn't have to be music, but every guy who wants to get with high value women should develop himself into someone "special" in some way. Could be anything. Pilot. Doctor. Inventor. Dancer. The list is long, but you gotta have something. You don't wanna be a blank.

If I am being serious now. I'm a minimum wage worker.

Read this post (click). Mind at ease.

I really don't think I have anything of value, whether on the inside or outside.

Maybe you do and haven't looked at it in the right way... maybe you need to dig deeper.

Or maybe you don't, but in that case you can always develop something.

Let me know if any of you have dated women like this who were vastly different from you.

I once went on a date with a girl who when I asked her if she has any dreams in life, she thought about it for a minute and then came up with "oh yeah! I saw this pair of shoes at the mall..."

Obviously that's not going to be a good mother for my children! But... she was hot as shit ha. So I decided to proceed and set proper frames so she doesn't get the idea. Went into it honestly and transparently as a casual thing and good times were had by all.

Many such cases.

I hope this was helpful!

-Karea Ricardus.

 

[Fuck This]

I had a similar experience in a mall while working a summer job in college. Classy sales woman eye fucking me as I walked by in my work clothes. It was a nice image to beat off to imagining her with "Country Fever" . Like you I never followed it up to see if it was genuine.

Looking back in that situation regardless of her background she is projecting an image at that moment and she wants that image to be how you see her. So you need to treat her like a classy business woman rather than as a boots and jeans gal you are out mudding with. If you can tone down the drawl, (or urban slouch if you are a Hoodrat) and deliver a greeting akin to what you would say in a more formal setting, you can overcome some of the preconceived notions your appearance might convey.... I'm a fan of saying CLASS has no income level. Your Diction does more to cement a good or bad impression than you would think. Showing leadership in the conversation and not being pushy in it exudes charisma. A relaxed tone while enunciating clearly from the belly exudes strength and power.

 

[HumanWhoLearns]

I never liked the whole concept of "leagues", that just seemed like an excuse & limiting belief that guys tell themselves. If you see the guys who have girlfriends or whatever, they're probably not that different outside of a few characteristics. That attractive girl likes being admired but she still wants someone who can cut through the bs and attract her. Some girls will have higher standards (girls don't like dating down, neither do guys for that matter), but a lot of that isn't anything that's easily changeable and should you want to change yourself for a stranger just because she's attractive? I think that's how people traditionally define "leagues". The problem is that you don't know what her standards are and that thought pattern instills negative unconscious beliefs which manifest themselves in unattractive speech and behaviors. A self-fulfilling prophecy.