jdoc's journal.

[jdoc]

⁣​LR: 4 December 2016, Saigon, Vietnam.

This lay is an interesting one. I met up with Quyen on VietnameseCupid. We'd chatted for about 3 weeks almost daily. She was always the first to message me. She chased me extremely hard through the messages.

During a conversation, she asked me what I was looking for in a girl. Because I am a horny bastard, I told her I was looking for a cute, shy and lustful girl. She eventually slotted herself into that role.

We talked about sex, and being lovers when I arrived. She said she wanted to be my girlfriend, but I told her I wasn't looking for a relationship. I just told her I was looking for a lover. She agreed.

The day had come for our meet. She met me outside my hostel, and I told her I didn't know what the guest policy was at the hostel, so I had to pull her sneakily to get past the receptionist. I told her we should enter together once the receptionist attended to a guest.

When we met, she was too shy and anxious to be pulled so quickly (even though that's what we agreed on) so suggested that we grab some food.

During food I was focused entirely on building comfort. She spoken English was terrible so I was leading the entire conversation. She did not ask me one single question. She paid the bill, which I thanked her for. I pulled us back, and we had to wait for about 20 minutes for the right time to enter the hostel. I did my best to keep up the conversation and energy whilst waiting. We'd been planning on fucking each other for ages and it would have been an absolute shame to be cockblocked by the receptionist.

We made it through thankfully with no problems. I told her she could use the bathroom and faffed around a bit. I got her to sit next to me, and I landed a kiss on her cheek, before kissing her lips. We got pretty into it, and she climbed on top of me and we got messy.

We decided to shower together before having sex to get clean. Her skin was milky and she had the hairiest pussy I'd ever seen in my life. I was definitely into it.

I fucked missionary, cowboy, and doggy. It was tough to maintain my composure and I was ready to cum quite quickly. I eventually finished in her doggy style.

I licked pussy till she came. It took about 10 minutes.

She milked my cock for my cum during round 2.

After sex, she told me she wanted to date me. I told her I didn't want a relationship, but she insisted she wanted to wait for me. She mentioned that she wanted to come to Melbourne in 4 years to meet me. She ended up giving me her ring as a souvenir as a sweet gesture. She played really cheesy, sad love song on repeat and tried to convince me to be with her. We had to use Google translate to communicate. I very gently and warmly rebuffed her.

She then had to head home and I led her to a motorbike taxi. She got on the bike and I said goodbye.

She later messaged me shortly later asking me to come back. Turns out she missed me and didn't want to leave me and wanted to see me again.

I had a date after, but I didn't want to be cold, so I met her. We hung out at the park and before I left.

I felt kinda bad because she was so attached despite me laying out all my cards before meeting her. I guess some girls just don't have any control over how they feel towards guys they like.

 

[jdoc]

FR++: ⁣​7 December 2016; Saigon, Vietnam

I matched with a Dung on VietnameseCupid. We arranged a meet. I had a date planned that evening and I wanted to explore saigon, so I asked her to come with me to show me around town.

She met me at a cafe. She went to park her bike first and we ordered our food and drink. I deep dived her about her travels, and hobbies. She studied fashion design and she showed me some outfits she designed and made. They were stunning and I was extremely impressed. Her voice was very soft and sweet and a pleasure to listen to. I placed my hand over hers as we spoke at lunch. I thought she was very cute.

We then walked back to my hostel to get an umbrella. I also checked into my room.

We walked to the market. We covered a lot of areas. I was building up her comfort with me. I ended up buying a wallet and she helped me bargain. Afterwards I kissed her head for helping me out.

Then I got some socks from topman. We walked around a large shopping mall. By then 2.5 hours had passed and I felt like pulling. I told her I was sick of walking around and that we could go back to mine and she could show me her photos. She agreed.

We took a cab to mine and she just got off the phone saying she had to go to meet her friends to finish a project for school. I told her to stay 30 minutes. She agreed.

We got past receptionist no problem. We entered my room and she showed me her drawing on her computer. I eventually placed the computer on the bed and began to escalate. I grabbed her hand and pulled her into me. I kissed her cheek twice to warm her up. She flinched a little.

At one point I landed a kiss on her lips and she seemed a little shocked. We continued to talk and I cuddled her. She said I was like a cat because of the way I was cuddling her. She said I was talking really sweet, and I don't think she liked it. I kissed her again, for longer, but she said she had to go. I persisted in getting her to stay but she had to go. I told her how I thought she was so cute and I complimented her a lot. I said I liked to kiss her, and she said I could kiss another girl. Low attainability? Or maybe I was moving just too fast.

In any case, I could sense that there was no point to get her to stay. She didn't seem all the into it. At one point she got up to go, but I told her to kiss me before she went. We kissed her a solid minute and I was slowly escalating. But as soon as I pulled back she left.

It turns out that I was her first kiss ever. And she enjoyed the kiss.

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Finishing thoughts:
I thought I built up comfort well throughout the date, and did well with touch during the date. Although she later told me she thought I held her hand because I was afraid of getting lost. When I massaged her hands with my fingers, she thought I was bored and wanted to play with her hands. Haha.

When I pulled her, she I think my escalation was good. I think I probably could've laid her if she could stay for longer. My fundamentals and bad boy edge were good. Conversation was also good.

The process of the date was long and unnecessary, but I genuinely wanted to explore saigon. So I was hitting 2 birds with a stone.

 

[jdoc]

⁣​FR+: 9 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

Matched with 20 year old Bao on Tinder and met up. She stood around 5'2, was curvy and juicy and had a cute face. From her online presence she seemed to be very liberal. She smoked weed.

She picked me up at my hotel and we went for a drive to a restaurant not so nearby. I need to stop meeting girls at my hotel because they seem to like to drive me really far away. The lunch conversation was okay. She looked at her phone a lot which was annoying. In each case I'd zone off into the distance looking bored.

I deep dived her about her travels. She liked to travel. I threw on a chase frame asking her what she did other than travelling, drinking coffee and having lunch with me. She said she liked to read and cook. Both which I qualified her with.

At one point towards the end of lunch I placed my hand over her hands very naturally and this shot up the intimacy of the conversation many fold. We split the bill and she led me to her friends shop.

They sold really cool items, which I loved. I ended up buying a souvenir for my casual girlfriend back home, and I bought 2 bad ass rings for myself.

We then went out for coffee. She drove us to one of her favourite places. I sat down next to her on these very short seats. I held her hands and kinda pulled her into me. At one point our faces were very close together, and just as if we were about to kiss. I ended up smelling her hair saying it smelt really good. I thought it was an excellent way to create sexual tension in a playful way. I was building up her comfort and warming her up to be pulled. I was planning to do so as soon as we'd finished our drinks. At point I said, "I'll miss Saigon." And she responded with, "I'll miss you!" I asked her what she'd miss about me, and she said, "Everything." I kissed her cheek and told her that she was very sweet.

Then out of nowhere this dude comes towards our table, and shakes my hand. He grabs a seat, and orders a coffee. Turns out it was Bar's best friend, and she'd asked him to join. At that time though, I thought that he was just her random friend who bumped into her and rudely joined us.

At that point I didn't really know what to do. I talked to him for a little bit out of politeness, but did not try to make any conversation. The atmosphere was kind stale and awkward.

At one point I ask Bao if she wanted to go for a walk, but she declined.

After 10 minutes or so of not much conversation and the other two looking at their phones, I said, "It's kinda stuffy in here. I wanna go outside a vjt. Do you wanna join?" She declined. I then said, "Okay that's cool, I might head off in a bit."

At that point she agreed to go for a walk with me. I politely shook the dudes hand and we were off.

I couldn't pull her because she had plans with her best friend. I decided to see if I escalate a bit and perhaps see her next time.

We walked hand in hand. I wanted to find a place to sit down like a park, but there were none nearby. We eventually arrived at an art gallery and Bao suggested going inside. We walked through the gates and I noticed some benches. Perfect for escalation. I told he right wanted to sit before going in because I wanted to rest a bit. We sat down in a relatively secluded spot. We held hands, and I kissed her cheek once. Her body was facing a little bit away from me, but I pulled her into me. At one point she said that we should walk around, but I held strong to my frame and told her we should sit a bit longer because I was tired. We talked about some other topics, but she wasn't giving me the body attention I wanted.

At one point I said, "Look at me." I kissed her when she turned her head. She got pretty into the kissing straight from the get go. I told her she had very sweet lips and kissed her some more. I asked if she liked kissing me and she moaned, "Yeah." So I told her to kiss me some more. When I tried to get her to angle her body closer to mine, she decided stand up and told me that we should walk around.

We walked around hand in hand, and the museum was closed, so I walked her back to the coffee shop. She was terrible with directions so it took around 20 minutes rather than 5. In one instance at the traffic lights, she was standing on higher ground than me, and I moved my face close to hers and our lips aligned. She leaned in to kiss me. Eventually we arrived and I kissed her goodbye. I took a cab home.

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Finishing thoughts:
I thought my fundamentals were strong throughout this date. I had this cool bad boy edge about me which I have been working on which seemed to work well for me. My attainability was on point. When the dude hijacked the date, I remained largely unfazed and just seemed a little bored. My conversation and sexual vibe was strong. My line before the kiss was good as well, and seemed to work very well for me. I might try it again in the future. Overall poor schedules screwed me over because she had made plans.

The original game plan was to finish the coffee and say, "It's a little too busy and noisy here and I'm kinda sick of being out. Let's go back to place, we can hang out there and watch some TV. It's got aircon too. Okay?" Too bad, that it didn't work out. I'm 80% confident I could've laid her.

 

[jdoc]

19 December 2016: Siem Reap, Cambodia.

I decided to go out for some night game. I was extremely close to deciding to back out. I was so tired, had to get up  early the next day, and I accidentally sprayed inspect spray into my eye, so I couldn't leave my hostel till around 12.30 because I had to flush out my eye.

My focus entire focus was on overcoming by sticking point - starting conversations with strangers. I have this crippling anxiety when it comes to opening new girls. My goal was to gain social momentum, and start conversations with new strangers.

My process seemed a bit like this:
1. Enter bar/club
2. Dance and loosen up
3. Dance next to someone, who is facing the same direction as me, or slightly facing me.
4. Pre open.
5. Turn head and face slightly, looking at her eyes for 2 seconds.
6. If she looks back, smile.
7. Ask her if she's having a good night 2-3 seconds later.
8. Continue conversation.

I head over to bar A. It wasn't very busy. I sat down for a minute or so just to scope up the environment before I started to danced. I danced near a big group, and 2 girls started dancing very near me. I very briefly looked at them and continued to do my own thing. I should've maintained my eye contact and said something. I danced some more and sat down again and danced whilst sitting down.

Eventually one of the girls looked my way and I smiled at her. But I was sitting down and she was far away. At new point I started dancing again and she moved next to me. I finally maintained eye contact, and moved my hand up to gesture hi. She did the same. I kinda mistrued her as giving me a high 5 and I half went for it. But she didn't realise. It was funny and slightly embarrassing. I asked if she was having a good night, but she didn't understand me.

I held eye contact with some dude for a bit. I asked him if he was having a good night. I chatted with him a bit.

Then left to go to another club which was at max capacity, so people were dancing out in the street. I sat down observing everyone before joining in on the fun 20 minutes later.

Accidentally bumped into a guy, so I apologised. We chatted briefly.

Sat down again, and some English dude sat next to me. I looked at him for a second before turning away. I asked if he was having a good night. We chatted a bit about London.

Had eye contact with a drunk dude. I asked him if he was having a good night. He said he was drunk.

I'm happy that I managed to overcome my fear of opening people. Made some good progress.

 

[jdoc]

Today is my 22nd birthday, I am so proud of what I've achieved in my 21st year alive. I went travelling for the first time in my life, and have managed to fit in 5 months of travelling already. I still have 1 more month of my holiday left.

I've had a LR, -, or -- with 27 different girls this year. Prior to this year, I'd only slept with 2 girls.

I managed to overcome so many sticking points and hoops. I am delighted about how much growth and personal expansion I've managed to accomplished this year.

I have become a much smarter and more integrated individual, and for that I'm so proud of myself. Hard work seriously paid off.

But there are so many other things in my life that still need taking care of.

I'm gonna grind 2017 and 2018, and make sure I absolutely blitz my masters. I'll be studying Master of Clinical Audiology. I want to make sure I ace my degree so I can secure my career and financially fuel my future life and desired pursuits.

I still have so much to learn in seduction. I feel like I have attained a solid understanding of the fundamental principles behind seduction, as well as advanced techniques. I have a good sense of different processes, mindsets and techniques required for mastery of seduction. My strong suit at the moment is being able to go on a date with a girl, and take her to bed. I've had to overcome many sticking to finally reach the level where I am today. But I still have many holes in my learning curve.

My social circle game, cold approach skills, night game all require tremendous work. In order to become a master seducer, I need to get these skills down pat. I will be funnelling my energy towards learning how to get girls at nightspots, as well as in group social situations. Therefore, I will divert my attention away from grinding dates from girls on online dating. I feel like I've already learned most of what needs to be learned. My efforts should be focused elsewhere.

My social skills are good. However, hey're not excellent, and at many times, I do found my self lost and feeling outclassed by more socially savvy people. I've noticed that a big weakness of mine is initiating conversations with strangers. This is why I find night game to be so insurmountably difficult. I've attempted night game many, many times over the past few years, and even now, I have no results to show for it. It's something I'm going to seriously work at. I do not accept that I am so hopeless at night game. I will change this.

I will aim to improve my social skills. I want to be able to navigate every single socially situation adroitly - such that I've mastered socialising. One day, this will be my ultimate goal.

I find it difficult to talk to people in big groups. Whenever in a group situation, where many people are engaged in conversation, I often feel lost, and resort to just talking to someone one on one.

Essentially, I feel like I've almost got missing piece of the puzzle down pat. I can now bring a girl on a date and lay her pretty consistently given that I have logistics. This is huge. But game is bigger than that. I need to expand my focus. I need to be better.

I will meditate on this. I will not stop until I get what I want.

My 22nd year alive, will probably not be as eventful as my 21st year. But god damn, I'm going to work so hard to achieve my goals. I need to finish what I set out to do.

I'll probably take a bit of a break from seduction for 2 years while I knuckle down on my masters, but after that, I'll be putting my game on full throttle.

I can't wait to see what the future holds.

 

[Smith]

Happy birthday man! All the best for 2017

 

[jdoc]

Cheers Smith you too

 

[jdoc]

FR: ⁣​21 December 2016: Bangkok, Thailand.

It was the night before my birthday. I decided to head out stag to a club to try out some night. My social momentum was very low, and I found it tough to keep in a positive headspace.

I went a club called The Club (how unoriginal haha), and started dancing. I had just one goal tonight, which was to practice my opening.

1. I opened a dude dancing next to me. We locked eyes for a bit and then I smiled at him before averting my eyes. I then asked him if he was having a good night. He said he was. We went on our own way.

2. There was a girl dancing next to me for about a minute or so. I took my time to open. I accidentally knocked her arm with my arms, and we locked eyes and I smiled. I averted my eyes and asked if she was having a good night. I dont think she heard/understood me.

3. There was a girl dancing by herself. She later hooked up with some dude. It was blaringly obvious that she wanted to hook up. I didn't even open her if though she was cute.

4. I was daring and a girl kinda touched me and smiled at me. She wasn't cute though, so I didn't pursue it. I probably should've talked to her to gain momentum though.

5. Two girls danced next to me. I locked eyes with them and smiled. Didn't lock eyes again after. I should've opened them then and there when I locked eyes.

6. I opened this dude dancing next to me. We small talked a bit. I immediately felt a sense of disliking toward him. He kept repeatedly trying to push me into a dancing circle. And kept telling me to dance next to girls. It was really weird. I tried to be polite, but eventually I told him to stop pushing me.

7. There was a girl dancing next to me. We locked eyes and I smiled and looked away. I opened by asking if she was having a good night. No response. It was so loud in there and I don't know if she knew I was talking to her.

8. There was a girl dancing alone next to me. She accidentally bumped me, and lightly touched my arm to apologise without looking at me. I looked at her briefly a couple of times, but she didn't look back, so I didn't open her. I should've kept it for longer perhaps, and opened her.

All in all, it was a slow night. I never even got into a conversation with a girl.

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Finishing thoughts:
1. I stayed at the same spots dancing for a long time. Eventually, I would lose social momentum and not feel like opening at all. When moving to a different area, I felt much better and more energised. It was good to see new faces. I will do this more often.

2. I need to open very soon after locking in eye contact.

3. I need to commit more when I open girls. A lot of the time they don't even know I'm talking to them. I need to speak louder, and also turn to face them. A lot of the time I just move my face closer, but I don't turn my head.

4. I need to open more. Whenever I see a girl dancing by herself next to me. I need to pre-open her, perhaps by lightly "accidentally tapping her", then opening her.

5. I need to hold my eye contact for longer when initiate contact. I need to look more people in the eyes.

I have a very clear goal for my next night game outing: Talk to at least 2 girls and have a conversation with them.

 

[jdoc]

It's been a while since I've posted here!

I'm back home in Melbourne now, after my 16 weeks in East and South East Asia. I've got a couple of reports that I'd to type and post on this space, as well reflections on 2016 and my travel experiences, and my goals for 2017.

 

[jdoc]

10 October 2016: Osaka, Japan.

This first date overseas in Asia. I met Mariko when I was doing some day game on my way to the aquarium. She was probably around 30. She had a petite frame, a cute face. She wasn't conventionally pretty. I stopped her at some traffic lights, I asked her for directions to the aquarium. She said that she was walking the same way, and so we walked together.

We small talked about a bunch of stuff, which I now do not remember. We arrived at the aquarium and I deep dived her about what she did. Something about arts and craft. I asked her out, and she agreed.

After the aquarium I messaged her. She lived nearby so she met up with me after a few minutes. We had done her make up and was cutely dressed. We walked around the shopping mall that we were in, and she showed different stores - for instance the store with plastic food which looks very realistic. She took me to the Lego store, and store me these cool Japanese stores. We then walked outside and sat down by some grass. She was feeling pretty cold. I think I deep dived about some stuff, using touch whenever I could. We grabbed food after.

We walked into the plaza again, and one instant, I pointed up at a Japanese sign asking her what it said. As I did so I held onto her hand. It was scary, but I did it. It set the precedent for the rest of my dating experiences in Asia. Eventually, holding girls' hands felt like second nature.

We had traditional Osaka food for dinner, some nice pancake like things. The store owners were pleased that she was dining with a foreigner. We talked about a bunch of stuff that I don't remember. Probably some deep diving and talk about stuff. We left after around an hour and took a walk to the harbour, hand in hand.

We sat down, and I tried to find the perfect moment to kiss her - but she did not lean into me. I didn't know how to make it smooth.

However, the whole time, Mariko was seemed pretty passive, and didn't seem all that enthusiastic or into me for that mater.

She lived alone so logistics were perfect, but when I tried to pull she said she was tired and had to work the next day, and also that her room was messy. I don't think I tried to kiss her, but from her body language, I'm thinking I would've been rejected.

We talked a bit more, and she walked me towards the station. We parted ways and she seemed happy to go home. We clasped hands and had our goodbyes.

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Finishing thoughts:
I'm thinking that Mariko was into me, but her personality was also pretty reserved. She also seemed quite conservative. In either case, I should've implemented humour and playfulness. I should led more strongly and been smoother with my physical escalation. Although I remember our conversation at dinner being pretty good.

Typing about this reminds me how cute Japanese girls are. I want to be back there.

 

[jdoc]

7 November 2016: Guangzhou, China.

I matched with 21 year old Zoey on Tinder. Her pictures were showcasing a fine ass, and beautiful face. Very cute girl. Her profile had "NO HOOK UP" in it. Haha.

I wanted to meet close to where my hostel was for logistics, but she said that it was too far away, so we met at Tiyu Xilu station. She'd arrive 10 minute early, and I was 10 minutes late, so she was pretty unhappy that she had to wait for me so long. I thought she was going to leave because she didn't want to wait. The introduction was tense. And she wasn't as cute as she looked in her pictures. Still cute though. She was around 5'3, had a petite frame, long hair with bangs, and fashionable style. She was from Hong Kong.

We walked for a long way to find a coffee place. She led the way because she was unhappy with my suggestion.

Starbucks.

We ordered, and she paid with card. Later she complained that she had to pay for our coffees. I told her that I was going to reimburse her, which I did.

We sat down, sitting at 180 degrees to each other. I deep dived her about a bunch of stuff. She was really artistic and musical as well. I'd inspected her hands, and told her that she had good, slender piano hands. She told me that she was an ace pianist, and she was not modest about it either.

Her personality was quite cynical and prickly, and she tested me a couple of times. When I told her that Melbourne was my favourite city, she responded with, "Melbourne? Really? But there are so many better cities!" (or something to that effect.) I responded to her unwarranted cynicism and criticism well. I called her out on her unjustified cynical views of Melbourne, especially considering that fact that she'd never been there before. I was pretty funny about the whole thing, turning the tables right back at her. I playfully teased her, and I out-framed her. "Oh yeah... I guess that's right, I don't really have a valid say," she admitted.

We eventually went for a walk, and I grabbed onto her hand, which seemed to surprise her at first, but she went along with it.

She was pretty cynical and busting my stones about some more stuff, but I managed hold strong to my frame, in a cocky, asshole kind of way, which I think boosted her attraction for me.

She was also telling me about her past Tinder dates, and she mentioned that she'd made out with a girl from Tinder before. She told me that I was her second ever Tinder date. I told her stories of my past Tinder dates, and made up some stories about crazy girls I'd gone out with in the past. I wanted to pull, but my place was too far away, and she had be somewhere in 2 hours.

Eventually she realised that her cynical prickliness was not going to fly with me, and she sweetened herself up to me a little. We walked for a long way trying to find a seat. We eventually went up a lot of escalators and found a place to sit on a top of a shopping centre.

We sat down and the vibe was more intimate. We talked about some stuff. I asked her if she was a romantic. I asked her what she thought about me. She said that she thought that I was cute. I kissed her to reward her.

She didn't seem all that passionate or into me, and kinda just kissed me to go along with it. I kissed her a couple of times after that, but I couldn't really escalate it beyond kissing in broad daylight with people around.

Eventually, enough time had passed and I think the interaction fizzed out because I couldn't move it forwards. I walked her to the subway station, and she was off.

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Finishing thoughts:

Zoey had quite cynical, strong-willed, opinionated, and obviously thought quite highly of herself. She threw a bunch of tests at me, but I handled them well by calling her on her shit, playfully turning the tables back at her, and holding strong to my frame. My physical escalation seemed pretty smooth, and I managed to charm her, which I was impressed by. If her schedule was free, and logistics were better, I'm confident I could've laid her.

 

[jdoc]

13 November 2016: Hanoi, Vietnam.

I matched with Kim on VietnamCupid. I messaged her back and forth over Facebook, and she seemed pretty boring. Still, I was cute enough.

Kim was pretty clueless with directions, and was an hour late into meeting me. I actually was off to meet her near Hoan Kiem late because she was lost, but we coincidentally bumped into each other half way. We was taller than me, probably around 5'7. She spoke English with an international accent. We grabbed coffee.

The conversation at coffee was pretty uninspiring. I'd made the mistake of ordering a traditional Vietnamese coffee, so my whole body was buzzing the whole entire time. It was difficult to maintain my composure... I felt drunkish. We talked about a bunch of stuff, but she came off as pretty boring.

We walked to the lake, and I held her hand along the way, but she moved her hand away. She said something that I do not remember... something about it being weird that we were holding hands.

We sat at the lake a little more and I tried to physically escalate, but it wasn't working.

The conversation was pretty bad and dull.

We stayed at the lake until quite late, until around 11.30. I stayed mainly to see if anything more interesting would play out. I think I kissed her on the cheek once. I largely remained unreactiveness to her resistance (if you'd even call it that) to my escalations.

She asked me at some point if I was tired, and if I wanted to go back. I told her that I was happy with just chilling with her.

At one point, we did end up packing up the party and heading home. It turned out that she'd never held hands with a guy before, and had never had boyfriend. She told me that her first boyfriend would hopefully be the one she stayed with for the rest of her life. I think she was around 26.

I walked back to my hostel and wished her a good night.

She messaged me the next day:

Her: What have you been up to today?

[some time later]

Her: Why dont u rep? If u have time, we can meet tmr? Its not an appointment, im sorry

Me: Hey my day was good thanks for asking. Mainly explored the city
And I'm sorry, I'm thinking that maybe you and I are not a fit for each other so maybe it is not a good idea

Her: Alright, im sorry. Just lemme know if u need help

And also:

Her: R u still in Hn?

Me:Yes

Her: Do u want some places? Just adresses, no worries of going with me

I didn't respond to her last message. Turns out she blocked me after that.

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Finishing thoughts:

Apparently I made a good first impression on Kim. She even wanted to meet up with me the next day. The whole date was pretty boring, mainly because of her dull personality and her inexperience. What made it worse was that it was pretty much impossible to naturally escalate on her. But that's okay, sometimes you bump into girls who you just don't click with. No big deal.

 

[jdoc]

1 December 2016: Nha Trang, Vietnam.

I matched with 26 year old Thao on VietnamCupid. She was really into me from the get go - saying things like I was really cute. I asked her if she wanted to go out with me, and she was down meet me in 30 minutes.

She met me at the lobby of my hotel. She didn't have a smartphone, and I didn't have have a phone number, so she got the receptionist to call me when she arrived.

We walked to a rooftop bar nearby. The place was really cool, it was a chilled out vibe, with good atmospheric house music pumping in the background. It was tough to find a seat at first, but I decisively led us to a good seating area, pretty isolated from other people.

I remember my posture being really good, and my voice sounding resonant. My vibe was sexual, and playful.

I deep dived her about a bunch of stuff, and we both enjoyed each other's presence. I'd kiss her cheek a couple of times. I also leaned in to kiss her lips, at one point, but she pulled back. Maybe I was moving a little too fast, or that she wasn't comfortable with kissing me when there were people around.

She made mention of having to go back home after a little bit because of curfew, cutting our date really short. She mentioned that she wanted to see me the next day, but I had already made plans with another girl, so I brushed it off nonchalantly.

After more conversation, and some sensual physical touch here and there, she had to head back home. I tried to get her to stay out a little longer, but she insisted that she had to leave.

We entered the lift and went back down to the ground floor. At this point I closed in on her and landed a sweet kiss on her lips.

We walked hand in hand back to my hotel, and her dad called her a couple of times. The goodbye was somewhat unsatisfying. The owner of the hotel was watching us as Thao got on her motorbike, so the goodbye seemed artificial and forced.

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Finishing thoughts:

I made a really good impression on Thao. On Facebook she was sending me messages saying things like, "why why you are so cute! your face in my head." It's a shame that we didn't get to meet up again, and that she had curfew. Under different circumstances, I'm confident that I could've laid her. She was extremely interested in me from the very beginning, simply because of the way I looked. When we met up, my combination of strong fundamentals, and a playful, flirty, sexual vibe was useful in generating her attraction. She actually messaged me saying that she'd never met a guy like me in her life.

 

[jdoc]

FR: 6 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

I matched with 29 year old Tracey on VietnamCupid. She had a cute face and slim frame, stood at 5'2.

Her phone had died, so I couldn't get in touch with her... and I was late. I didn't expect that I'd actually be able to see her, it was already half an hour past our meeting time, but I stayed around a little longer. Eventually, I saw her walking by, and I called out her name. She said that she was surprised that I recognised her. She went in for a hug.

We went inside the coffee shop for smoothies.

The conversation was pretty dreadful. We just didn't seem to click, and I felt that she was too different to me, in terms of our worldly views of life, and our opinions differed on a lot of things. I didn't break rapport however, I was just standing as an observer, realising that we were drifting further and further apart because we had nothing in common. I recall her talking about cooking, and her little brother.

She talked a lot... and I mean a lot. About an half an hour into the conversation, I just wanted it to end.

Eventually I suggested going for a walk. I figured I'd throw something out there, to see if I could hold onto her hand... but her walking was so stiff, which made it really difficult to do so.

After about 10 minutes of walking, I figured I'd give a half-assed pull. "You know what, I'm pretty tired now, and kinda wanna watch TV. Do you wanna watch TV?" I said. She said, "No." I thought as much.

I took a taxi home.

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Finishing thoughts:
Sometimes you bump into girls who you don't like and you just don't click with. It happens.

 

[jdoc]

FR+: 8 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

I matched with 30 year old Chris on VietnamCupid. She seemed to be pretty keen and agreed to meet me 2 hours after I had asked her out. She met me outside her hotel. She was a medium length hair. She face was average, on the pretty side. She had already parked her bike and we walked to a cafe. Her accent sounded international.

We entered the cafe, and I pick a table. The seats were too far away though upon second thought, so I picked another seating. We sat 90 degrees to each other on a small table. We ordered our smoothies. Mine was insanely sweet.

We talked about some stuff which I don't really remember. Mostly deep diving and talk about whatever.

I do remember that I rested my hand on her hand about 30 minutes into talking with her across the table. She seemed a little surprised by it, but I didn't phase me. I think she asked me why I was holding her hand. I think I said that it was because I thought that she was cute. Essentially, I held strong to my frame, which completely changed the dynamic of the conversation. Things were now feeling a lot more close. I remember the conversation being pretty pleasant.

We went for a walk in a bit. We walked to the park. The plan was to sit down on my go to spot, where it was dark and easy to escalate. I'd gotten 2 hand jobs from that park before. Chris was a little hesitant to go to that area with me because it was too dark, but I persisted and I eventually got her to sit down with me.

We sat down and talked some more. I held her hand and was physically touchy with her. At one point, I think I kissed her cheek. And then a few moments later, I kissed her lips. She seemed to enjoy my kiss, but said that she had to go soon.

I made out with her some more, and she said that she had to go home. I persisted in getting her to stay some more, but she'd already gotten up and repeated that she had to go.

I walked with her back toward my hotel, and I told her to come inside a bit to watch some TV. She rejected my offer. I persisted some more, telling her that she could stay a little longer and then go home. I told her that I liked hanging out with her, and that we should chill a bit. She kept on rejecting me over and over.

Eventually, I conceded, and she went home.

Afterwards, on Facebook:

Me: Nice to meet you

Her: Nice to meet u too

Me: Hope you had fun time with me

Her: Haha
I did
U're very .... hmmmm
Cute and open mind

Me: I think you are cute :3

Her: Maybe bcause u're still teenage
Lol

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Finishing thoughts:
Chris was a cute girl. I think the smoothie date went well. I managed to make the conversation more intimate and sexual when I introduced the physical touch. This threw her off guard, but she seemed to enjoy it. And I also held strong to my frame of not being phased by the introduced physical contact. I also held strong my frame in persisting in getting her to sit down at the park bench with me, in getting her to stay on the bench with me for longer, and also during my pull.

I think I perhaps may have kissed her too early. After kissing her, she said that she had to go home. I'm thinking that if I'd pulled her first, I could've escalated into sex. I think kissing set off alarm bells in her head that she was making out with someone 9 years younger than her. I also think that kissing a girl who is a little reserved and on the fence about me too early is counterproductive. If a girl is open to kissing you, she'll also be open to coming home with you... but not necessarily so if you kiss her too early.

In retrospect, I've pulled girls a couple of times after kissing them prior to the pull. It's worked in the past, and the girls to come home with me were the ones who were also quite attracted to me. In either case, they would've been open to being pulled without having been kissed yet.

I think that in 80% of cases, there's no need to kiss a girl before pulling her. If she's into me but still seems to have reservations, I think it's better to lead, build compliance, hold a strong frame and pull and escalate. With girls who are quite invested and attracted to me, it's definitely possible to kiss them prior to pulling, and it'll still work a lot of the time. But these girls would also be open to coming home with me.

I think that the other 20% of cases applies to girls who have already rejected my pull, and there's also not enough connection and intimacy. I think in this case, kissing her can spike her attraction, and make her more likely to be pulled. This reminds me of my date with Mariko in Osaka. She refused to allow me to pull to her place... for whatever reason. But I feel that if I had kissed her passionately and pressed the right emotional buttons within her, this would've increased the chances of a successful pull.

I also think there are situations where kissing before the pull can be useful for girls who are very shy, as it diffuses some tension and the mystery which may be overwhelming to shy girls. Kissing reduces mystery (she feels more in control), and reduces tension. Kissing also removes a barrier in communication. After you kiss a girl, you can be perfectly honest with her, and say things like, "You're so cute. I love the way you kiss me. You have really sweet lips, girl." This allows you to be honest, and build up her comfort. In such cases, a girl may feel like she likes you a lot, and feels comfortable with you as well. If you're building compliance, leading, and give her plausible deniability with the pull, then she's more likely to come home with you.

I think in situations when the vibe is a little lacklustre and a girl isn't too gung-ho about being pulled... or about me for that matter; kissing can help boost her attraction for me which may mean she's more likely to be pulled. Or girls who logically do not want to be pulled for whatever reason, passionate kissing and honesty can be useful in getting to her place. A girl I was with in Beijing was keen to just go to go home to sleep. The plan was to pull to her place. If I hadn't have kissed her, persisting with pulling to her place would've seemed unnatural and too imposing. However, because I kissed her passionately for a couple of minutes, and was honest with my intentions (at one point I cutely said that I wanted to cuddle her tonight), this made persisting with my pull seem more natural, because she knew why I wanted to come over. If I hadn't have kissed her, persisting with my pull would've seemed weird, because she would not have known why I wanted to come over so much.

Again, kissing means that you're honest about your intentions... which does have its benefits. But... it also means, that she more or less know why you are pulling.

As a side note, I think if a girl rejects your pull, it's a good thing to be playfully persistent, and play kinda dumb. Let's face it. You know why you're pulling her... and she knows it as well. And it isn't to "chill and watch TV." Pretending that you really want to watch some TV because you haven't watched TV in ages can work. Saying you're tired of being outside where it's so crowded and busy outside can work. Saying it's too hot outside, and it's nicer in your room with aircon can work. Saying that you think she's cool and just wanna hang out for a bit can work. Eventually, if you playfully persist enough with your frame, she'll usually fall into you frame. I guess the exception is that if a girl really cannot stay because she has somewhere to be, or that she knows what game you're playing and isn't prepared to sleep with you. With the latter, it's better not to kiss these girls before pulling them.

Regarding Chris, it would've been better to sit down for a bit, not kiss yet, and then pull. It seemed unusual that she was so dead-set on going home. But, in retrospect, I remember that she had taken a call when we were outside my hotel, I think that she may have had somewhere to be? But, my memory fails me, I could be wrong.

Anyway, some great ideas about the pros and cons of kissing before the pull. I'll polish up these ideas and make a post about it in the future.

 

[jdoc]

FR: 8 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

Matched with Phan on VietnamCupid. I didn't find her very attractive, but cute enough to sleep with. She was probably around 23.

We met at a bar. When I'd arrived, she was already sitting down on a chair facing the street. I said hello to her, and grabbed a seat next to her. I didn't really like the spot we were sitting in, so we moved further into the bar. The seats were also facing the street outside. In fact, all the chairs in the bar faced towards the street.

She drank a beer, and I had a watermelon juice. Phan had an alternative style about her, her dress sense was very grungy.

She talked to me for a long time about how much weed she smoked, as well as pills and ketamine. She was telling me how her friend was offered heroin instead of ketamine, which almost killed him. She was a party girl.

We talked about drugs for a little bit, and some other stuff. I wasn't all the attracted to her, but I held her hands a couple of times. The conversation was pretty average. Because I wasn't very attracted to her, the date for both of us wasn't very exciting.

After about in hour or so, we walked to the park where I escalate on the girls I went out with. On the walk to the park, I held onto hand, but she was kinda weird about it. We sat down for a few minutes, and she said she had to go home. The vibe definitely got weird after I held her hand. I didn't even bother pulling her. Was pretty keen just to go back to my hotel and sleep.

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Finishing thoughts:
First of all, I wasn't really attracted to Phan from the start. I still probably would've slept with her, but I wasn't at all motivated. I guess my physical escalation was off because I wasn't feeling it. Maybe that's why she was kinda weirded out by it. She still messaged me the next day asking if I was still in Saigon. Maybe she was into me, but kinda awkward with physicality? Probably a combination of that and my incongruous physical touch.

 

[jdoc]

⁣​FR+: 10 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

This is my follow date with Bao that I had the day before.

⁣​FR+: 9 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

Matched with 20 year old Bao on Tinder and met up. She stood around 5'2, was curvy and juicy and had a cute face. From her online presence she seemed to be very liberal. She smoked weed.

She picked me up at my hotel and we went for a drive to a restaurant not so nearby. I need to stop meeting girls at my hotel because they seem to like to drive me really far away. The lunch conversation was okay. She looked at her phone a lot which was annoying. In each case I'd zone off into the distance looking bored.

I deep dived her about her travels. She liked to travel. I threw on a chase frame asking her what she did other than travelling, drinking coffee and having lunch with me. She said she liked to read and cook. Both which I qualified her with.

At one point towards the end of lunch I placed my hand over her hands very naturally and this shot up the intimacy of the conversation many fold. We split the bill and she led me to her friends shop.

They sold really cool items, which I loved. I ended up buying a souvenir for my casual girlfriend back home, and I bought 2 bad ass rings for myself.

We then went out for coffee. She drove us to one of her favourite places. I sat down next to her on these very short seats. I held her hands and kinda pulled her into me. At one point our faces were very close together, and just as if we were about to kiss. I ended up smelling her hair saying it smelt really good. I thought it was an excellent way to create sexual tension in a playful way. I was building up her comfort and warming her up to be pulled. I was planning to do so as soon as we'd finished our drinks. At point I said, "I'll miss Saigon." And she responded with, "I'll miss you!" I asked her what she'd miss about me, and she said, "Everything." I kissed her cheek and told her that she was very sweet.

Then out of nowhere this dude comes towards our table, and shakes my hand. He grabs a seat, and orders a coffee. Turns out it was Bar's best friend, and she'd asked him to join. At that time though, I thought that he was just her random friend who bumped into her and rudely joined us.

At that point I didn't really know what to do. I talked to him for a little bit out of politeness, but did not try to make any conversation. The atmosphere was kind stale and awkward.

At one point I ask Bao if she wanted to go for a walk, but she declined.

After 10 minutes or so of not much conversation and the other two looking at their phones, I said, "It's kinda stuffy in here. I wanna go outside a vjt. Do you wanna join?" She declined. I then said, "Okay that's cool, I might head off in a bit."

At that point she agreed to go for a walk with me. I politely shook the dudes hand and we were off.

I couldn't pull her because she had plans with her best friend. I decided to see if I escalate a bit and perhaps see her next time.

We walked hand in hand. I wanted to find a place to sit down like a park, but there were none nearby. We eventually arrived at an art gallery and Bao suggested going inside. We walked through the gates and I noticed some benches. Perfect for escalation. I told he right wanted to sit before going in because I wanted to rest a bit. We sat down in a relatively secluded spot. We held hands, and I kissed her cheek once. Her body was facing a little bit away from me, but I pulled her into me. At one point she said that we should walk around, but I held strong to my frame and told her we should sit a bit longer because I was tired. We talked about some other topics, but she wasn't giving me the body attention I wanted.

At one point I said, "Look at me." I kissed her when she turned her head. She got pretty into the kissing straight from the get go. I told her she had very sweet lips and kissed her some more. I asked if she liked kissing me and she moaned, "Yeah." So I told her to kiss me some more. When I tried to get her to angle her body closer to mine, she decided stand up and told me that we should walk around.

We walked around hand in hand, and the museum was closed, so I walked her back to the coffee shop. She was terrible with directions so it took around 20 minutes rather than 5. In one instance at the traffic lights, she was standing on higher ground than me, and I moved my face close to hers and our lips aligned. She leaned in to kiss me. Eventually we arrived and I kissed her goodbye. I took a cab home.

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Finishing thoughts:
I thought my fundamentals were strong throughout this date. I had this cool bad boy edge about me which I have been working on which seemed to work well for me. My attainability was on point. When the dude hijacked the date, I remained largely unfazed and just seemed a little bored. My conversation and sexual vibe was strong. My line before the kiss was good as well, and seemed to work very well for me. I might try it again in the future. Overall poor schedules screwed me over because she had made plans.

The original game plan was to finish the coffee and say, "It's a little too busy and noisy here and I'm kinda sick of being out. Let's go back to place, we can hang out there and watch some TV. It's got aircon too. Okay?" Too bad, that it didn't work out. I'm 80% confident I could've laid her.

Bao woke up late and she had to push back the date 2 hours. We met up at a coffee shop. We grabbed our smoothies and sat outside. The conversation was a little slow, and forced. It didn't seem nearly as interesting as yesterday's one. Something I struggle with it maintain the same flow of conversation with my second date with a girl. We talk about some stuff which I don't really remember. We only stayed for about half an hour. Bao smoked 2 cigarettes and was on her phone occasionally.

I suggested going for a walk. The plan was to go for walk in the park, make out a bit, then pull. I don't think I could've or should've pulled right after drinks because the vibe was a little stale. Our conversation picked up a little after we walked a little. We walked hand and in hand and walked along a park for a little. Still, the conversation was a little uninspiring.

We sat down, and we made out a little. The impression that I got from her was kinda like, 'Oh yeah. He's kinda cute. He's a good kisser. He seems to like kissing though, even though I'm not that into it.' For instance, I was the one to initiate the kisses. We didn't have a whole lot to talk about to be honest. She smoked a lot. We were mainly just talking about random things in the flow of conversation.

I tried to pull after around half an hour or so into sitting down. She wanted to go to the same store that we visited yesterday to have coffee with her friend, but that would've been counterproductive. I wasn't keen on talking to her friend, and it was too far away. It would've been a big step backwards. I held strong to my frame and said that I wasn't keen on going there because I was tired and just wanted to chill. I suggested going to my place to watch some TV, but she rejected. I persisted for a long time, and asked her why she didn't to come a bunch of times, but each time, she would not offer a reason - she just said that she didn't want to go. For a while, I just continued to play along and said that it was more comfortable in my room, and I pretended to be confused why she didn't want to come back with me.

Eventually, I gave up. I could've come along with her to see her friend and see what could've happened out of that, but I couldn't be bothered. I had another date later that night anyway.

We walked back towards her motorbike and she gave me a lift back to my hotel. I kissed her goodbye.

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Finishing thoughts:
There were a bunch of things that could've been a whole lot smoother on this date. First of all, on the first date, it wasn't possible to pull her because she'd made plans with her friend. I kissed her, and said goodbye. On the second date, the vibe had diminished and it felt soppy and a little boring. I could've tried to led interaction and tried it more interesting happen... but I feel like the boredom was mutual. She was probably just as bored as I was... and a little bit more on the fence about me. I don't think I should've kissed her on the second date though. I should've built up the mystery and tension, and pulled. By kissing her, I might as well have said, "Okay, I want to have sex with you. You should come to my hotel." Overall, the whole date seemed a little awkward and a bit forced. She knew what I was about when I pulled her. Pretending that I really wanted to chill and watch TV was not convincing to her at all. With Bao, who was a little on the fence about me, the best course of action would've been to skip the kisses, and build compliance, investment, and improve the chemistry a little bit, before pulling. There was no need to kiss her, even though I kissed her on the first date. I should've kept my power, and retained the mystery and sexual tension.

 

[jdoc]

FR: 11 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

I matched with 20 year old Gigi on VietnamCupid. She stood around 5'1, and sexy voluptuous body. Actually, when I saw her profile online, I was thinking to myself, 'Oh my god. That piece of ass is to die for.' In one of her pics, she had her ass sticking out, and she was wearing the shortest pair of denim shorts that I'd ever seen in my life. I don't know if they can even qualify as shorts. The hem of the shorts rode up past where her pussy was. They looked more like jean panties. Anyway, I was blown away just by her perfect ass alone. Her face was cute as well.

Her texting style was quite brief and curt. She got me to chase to set up a date. Eventually I did it. I wasn't sure that she'd even show up, based on her aloof, curt texting style. I was half expecting to be flaked on. She was 20 minutes late, without even an apology. She had sent me the address of the meeting point, but it wasn't the right one, so we were at different spots. At this point she thought I wasn't going to show up and she said she was going to leave. I was pretty annoyed about that. I told her that I waited for her for 20 minutes, but she didn't even want to wait for me for two minutes. She gave me another address, and I walked toward it, but she wasn't there. I waited for about 10 minutes, and she was getting mad that I was playing her. Turns out, she'd inadvertently given me the wrong address, so I had to walk 10 minutes to her location. She told me to meet her at a lounge across Starbucks because it would've been easier to find her.

After the mix-up we'd arrived, I knew that Gigi, was an entitled and impatient girl. When I sat down with her, she told me that she was angry with me for wasting for time and bla bla. I figured that I wasn't prepared to have an argument with her upon meeting her. I just calmly changed the topic and told her that it was a mix up, but it wasn't important because we were now both here.

We moved inside because it was beginning to rain outside. We sat at at a 90 degree angle to each other.

Gigi spoke pretty fluent English, but had only learned English for 5 months... which was extremely impressive. I qualified her about that... but at the same time I was skeptical as to whether or not she was telling the truth. She seemed to be a party girl, and she told that she had a lot of foreigner friends.

She told me that she knew a lot of Australians, and that I was shorter than them. I don't know exactly how I responded to this test, but I brushed it off playfully, and teased her a little bit. I think I said that I was taller than her... or something.

I got her pretty attracted to me. She tested me a couple of times, but I held a strong frame and playfully turned her own test back at her and teased her a little.

I think at one point she asked if I was telling the truth, and I playfully said something like, "You don't think I'm telling the truth? [laughs] You've just met me and you're busting my stones just for the hell of it?" I said something to that effect... but unfortunately my memory is hazy. I think she said something like, "[laughs] Okay, I'm just joking. I believe you." But anyway, she tested me about a couple of time, but I playfully turned it back onto her, or I blew her test out of the water.

I qualified her on a bunch of things, such as her aptitude to learn a new language, and other things.

The sexual tension was teeming. Because I was leading the interaction, held up to her tests, had a bad boy vibe, and demonstrated strong frame control, her attraction for me was spiked.

The proximity of our faces at the lounges was extremely near. At a couple of times, it would've been extremely easy to kiss her... and the sexual tension was insane. At a couple of times, my dick just got hard from the tension alone. It was nuts. I was so attracted to her.

Turns out she had to meet her friend for a goodbye party in a little bit... she asked if I wanted to come, and I agreed to.

She got a call from her friend after a few minutes and we both went out to meet her. We split the bill, but I ended up paying more than her... she just kinda assumed that I would, simply because it was convenient because I had the right amount of change.

We walked out of the lounge to meet her friend. Gigi's walk was so sexy. She was wearing those panty denim shorts which drove me nuts. Her ass looked even better in person. The way she swayed her hips as she walked was incredible.

We met up with her friend... and somehow Gigi thought that I was leaving, so she said goodbye to me. It was weird. Because of social pressure, I kinda just left. Kinda anti-climatic.

I'm thinking that either she was playing me, or she really thought that I wasn't coming. Or she didn't want for me to the join the party. But whatever.

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I really wanted to sleep with her, so I texted her afterwards:

Me: I am not doing anything for the rest of the night. Let me know if you want to have drinks and watch a movie after your party

Her: Yep

Me: What time

Her: I don't know
Not sure

Me: Okay

Her: Enjoy your time

Me:You too
Message me when you're done with the party and we will meet in district 1

Her: I think we will finish late
You don't have to wait

Me: I usually sleep late anyway lol

Her: Really

Me: Yeah
I'll probably be up till 6 or something. Woke up late today lol

Her: Oh

Me: Message me when you're finished. Talk to you later
Enjoy the party

Her: Thanks

I was still up by around 3am because I bootycalled one of the girl's I'd already slept with. Still I really wanted to meet Gigi. I would've elected to meet up another day, but I was leaving Saigon in 2 days, my schedules were already packed. At around 3, I messaged her again.

Me:Hey girl
How is the party

Her: So fun

So drunk

Me: Haha
How time does the party go till?

Her: They don't want go home

Me too

Me: Haha
Do you think it'll be the type of party to go on till 8am? Haha
Because I wanna see you soon

Her: You wanna see me?
Really
I'm not sober now

Me: Yes
And it's okay. Haha
Just as long as you're not falling asleep. Lol

Her: Don't worry
They always make me woke up


Me: Haha.
What time can you meet? Let's watch a movie :3

Her: Which movie

Me: Dunno
Whatevers on tv

Her: Where tv
:\

Me: My room
Or your room
Lol

Her: Show me your tv


Me: [I send her a picture of the TV in my room]

Her: Thanks

Me:
Around what time can you come?

Her: I don't say I com
:\

Me: Ok haha

Her: Sleep well

Me: Do you want to come? Haha

Her: Come for what?
:O

Me: To hang out with me :3

Her: So late now

Me: Not too late. Haha
You are already out. Lol

Her: Go to bed
That's better


Me: Well to be honest. I think you are cool girl, and I had a fun time with you today. I only have time to meet now, because I'll be leaving saigon. I want to meet you
And give you cuddles. :3
So you should come hang with me

Her: Really

Me: Yes.

Her: Must to be honest right
Can't

I'm not easy girl men

Me: Yes. I'm being honest lol

Her: Don't make me laugh

Me: I did not say you were. Haha

Her: [crying laughing emoji]
But you are naughty men
Funny

Me: Haha. Is that right?

Her: [crying laughing emoji]

Me: Well, I feel we had a pretty good connection upon meeting today. I want to meet you one last time because you are a cute and cool chick. But of course it's up to you

Her: I know
I was think you are nice guy
Don't make me think you are bad
First time meet
Nice time

Me: That's sweet of you

Her: If you want to find down girl
Don't talk to me like that
I'm not really like that

Me: What is down girl?

Her: Sorry to say that
Type wrong
Looking for girl
So drunk


Me: I don't want a girl haha
I want you. :3
You impressed me very much when you told me you'd only learnt English for 5 months.

Her: that's the truth

Me: Yeah
Do you like me?

Her: Don't ask me about that


Me: Lol
I want to see you before I leave saigon :3
I felt like we had a good connection. But you had to leave so soon. Lol

Her: Yep because I have to meet my friend
They leave tomorrow

Me: Yep
Fair enough
I leave tomorrow
You should come see me :3

Her: Not fair
I know them more then you

Just know you 2 hours

Me: That's true... haha
But... I like you :3
You are so cute:3
So I want to see you. Hehe

Her: I know mah


Me: Haha
Can you meet now

Her: Can't

Me: Ok
I wish you all the best
Goodnight

Her: You too
Sweet dream

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Finishing thoughts:
Under different circumstances, I'm confident I could've laid Gigi. My strong suit were my fundamentals, my bad boy vibe, my frame control, my sexual tension management and playfulness. All of these factors made for a very exciting first date. If she was free, I would've pulled her and escalated into sex. It's a shame that she had plans, and that the next day was my last full day in Saigon. I think with entitled, strong-willed girls with big egos and probably male orbiters, it's important to have strong frame control and be a bad boy and a bit of an asshole. I think my bad boy vibe was pretty good in this interaction. Something I'm still working on.

My texting after the date could've used some work. It was challenging to try to not come off as too chasey, but considering the circumstances, where it case the case of meeting right now, or never, I naturally had to chase her pretty hard. Her curt, to the point texting was difficult to work with. So I had to calibrate my texting style as a response. My texting was less warm, and more too the point.

In any case, I'm thinking it would've been quite difficult either way to get her out past 3am over texting, so it was a good effort I think. I tried being super blunt and honest as a last resort there in the end but no dice.

Usually I'd never chase a girl this hard... and I was getting laid almost every single day in Saigon. But this girl's ass was to die for. It was so amazing.

 

[jdoc]

LR(?): 12 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam.

Backstory:
Earlier this year I met Thao whilst fundraising in Melbourne. She was on her university exchange in Melbourne, and has since returned to her hometown in Saigon.

I'd only slept with her once. You can read about that report here.

After sleeping with her, I told her that shouldn't get attached to me, because I wasn't looking for anything serious. I ended up sending her into auto rejection and we stopped talking completely.

We ended meeting up again 2.5 months later. This was at a time where I was getting no results with girls. I was getting rejected each and every time I went in to kiss a girl... literally every time. Essentially, I was horny, but I also missed Thao, which is why I messaged her again to meet up.

We ended up meeting up, and my vibe a little aloof and trying too hard to be smooth. At one point I tried to kiss her, but she rejected me. My escalation technique was poor, and my attainable was very low. I ended up massaging her legs and ass a bit, but the timing was bad. She had to be home early so I couldn't close the deal. Also, I'd pulled her straight to my flat, I didn't bother going out for coffee or something (I think I should have). I think Thao felt a little like a dog in my kennel - my attainability suffered. I hurt her a lot, and she was just protecting her own feelings. I get that.

I ended up hitting her back on in Saigon. To be honest, I actually missed Thao quite a bit. She was a very sweet girl and so cute. I was also keen to see a familiar face in Vietnam, considering that I was travelling solo.

We originally planned to meet on a Saturday, but my phone ended up freezing, and my alarm didn't wake me from my nap. I tried messaging her in Facebook, but she was not online. I felt very upset that I didn't meet her. At this point I liked her quite a bit, and this incident was even more investment on my behalf. I was afraid that she'd be upset that I didn't show up. She also waited for a long time for me. She didn't take it personally though, and we schedule a meet the next day in the evening. We arranged to meet at my hotel.

The meet:
Thao arrived 20 minutes later than the meeting time. She messaged me on Facebook, and told me that she'd arrived. I walked out of my hotel and down the steps. Sitting on one of the chairs was Thao. I could only see the back of her head, but I was pretty sure that it was her. She was sitting next to the hotel owner. He knows that I sleep around a lot, so I was not at all keen to meet an old friend with him snooping in the background.

I instead pretended that I didn't see her, and I walked out to the road and looked around. Next thing I knew, Thao came up behind me and said hello. I was very happy to see her, and was stunned by how pretty she looked. She looked incredible.

She was wearing heels, a long cardigan and a dress. She looked so cute. We walked for around 10 minutes to a nearby coffee shop. We reminisced about a bunch of stuff. She said I looked more handsome with grown out hair. I had to resist the temptation to hold her hand at the start. It was better to get her comfortable with me, and build up the sexual tension a bit.

At one point when crossing the road, she grabbed onto my arm to protect me from the bikes. I ended up holding into her hand, which seemed to follow very naturally. It felt so nice to hold it.

We ordered our drinks, paying separately. The vibe was very warm and familiar.

We sat down at the short coffee table at a 90 degree angle to each other. The conversation was fantastic. It felt so nice to actually have a conversation with someone I had already known. I was feeling a bit lonely throughout my trip, and meeting stranger after stranger was emotionally draining.

We talked about a bunch of stuff: her studies, her future, her friends, Saigon. I asked her what she missed the most about Melbourne, and she said, "You." At this point, I felt really touched. I actually really liked Thao, and the fact that she said that was pretty powerful. I wiped the smile off my face and pensively asked whether she meant that. She then started to laugh and said that she was just joking. I laughed. But I think she meant what she said.

We reminisced about our first date. On our first date, I asked her what kind of things she liked to design, to which she said beautiful things. I asked her what things she found beautiful, and she said, "You." We laughed a bit about it. i deep dived her a bit about what she liked about Saigon. She said that she loved it here and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.

Soon enough, our drinks were finished, and we went to go for a walk. By now, we were both very comfortable and having a great time. I really enjoyed Thao's company. I wanted to pull her back to my hotel, but I hesitated. I guess I was a bit nervous because of our history and the fact that I liked her quite a bit.

We went to the park and sat down on the benches. It was very wet, but I luckily had my windbreaker which I laid on the seat. We sat down on it. We talked a little bit more, and held hands we touched each other warmly. I ended up kissing her cheek at one point, but I refrained from kissing her on the lips just yet. It would've been better to pull her first. This was definitely the correct decision.

My pull was sloppy however. I said that it was too cold and rainy out and that we should just chill in my hotel room. I fumbled around with my words a little bit because I was a bit nervous. I really liked Thao after all. She agreed to come with me, and we walked for about 3 minutes to my hotel. The hotel owner greeted Thao on the way in, and he said some stuff to her. I just hope that he didn't tell her anything about my past dates with other girls.

We went past reception, and there were no problems there. We went up the elevator and soon enough we were in my room. I told her to remove her shoes and leave them by the door. I went to the bathroom to clean up a bit, and to give her some time to settle.

The escalation:
I eventually joined Thao on the bed - I felt really nostalgic about it as well. In the past, we'd been on a bunch of different beds together, and now we were in Saigon, in a comfortable room and yet another comfortable bed. My memory is unfortunately a little hazy about the details about the escalation, but I'll try my best.

We ended up cuddling for a little bit in bed. At first it was just really sweet, and I was so happy to be holding her in my arms. I realised at this point just how much I cared about Thao. She encapsulates many qualities that I love about Vietnamese girls. She was just so sweet, delicate, feminine and gentle. We both removed our glasses and popped them on the bedside table.

I was just happy to hold her. I kissed her cheek a couple of times. I think I said things like, "I missed you, Thao." I was really gentle and sweet with her, which shot my attainability way up. It wasn't so much a calculated move on my behalf... I just really missed her, and it felt natural to be so sweet with her. I had a lot of feelings for her. Increasing my attainability was important so that she felt that she was special to me. I had to offset my attainability issues from our last date together.

At one point, I went in to kiss her cheek, which I did, but it was met with resistance. She pulled back and gently said, "No Jeff, I won't let you kiss me! Don't you remember? Last time I said that I won't let you kiss me!" (The last time I escalated on her back in Melbourne, she said that she wouldn't let me kiss her.) Still, I took this resistance at face value. I don't remember what I said exactly, but I took a step back and just continued to cuddle her. I continued to be really gentle and sweet with her. I basically treated her like a princess. I continued to kiss her on the lips a couple of times, which was met with resistance. I may have framed it like she was shy. In either case, her resistance didn't hold up long. I was very passionate in a really sweet, comforting and gentle way. I gave her the message that I thought she was absolutely gorgeous, but that I also cared a lot about her. It was really easy for me to keep up with this vibe because I was 100% congruous with it.

Eventually, she stopped resisting my kisses, but she didn't really kiss me back. After some lip locks however, she started warming up to me. My kissing was on point - gentle, in control, and moist. Eventually, she melted under my lips and soon enough we fully making out.

My next move was to run my hands all over her body. I worked her thighs before eventually rubbing her pussy. She resisted yet again. I took a step back and teased playfully, "I thought you said before that I couldn't kiss you, baby!" She laughed and said, "Okay, you can kiss me... but only kissing! You cannot touch me there!" I laughed and continued to kiss her.

After some more playing with her thighs and pussy region, I managed to slip my fingers into her pussy, which was soaking wet - amazing. Eventually, I managed to removed some of her clothes and licked her nipples for a bit. It was an absolute pleasure. She resisted when I went down to lick her pussy, but eventually got there too. The familiar musky scent was simply beautiful.

I don't remember at which point I whipped out my cock, but I did, and she jacked me off a bit.

It took quite a bit of time to overcome her resistance of penetrative sex. She told me that the last time I had sex with her, it hurt her because I was too big. But after a lot of passion, moaning, thrusting motions and rubbing, she eventually conceded. It felt so nice to be in her pussy again. Her moans sounded like high-pitched squeaks and squeals which drove my absolutely nuts. She sounded so feminine and sexy. It was amazing.

I don't remember much of the dirty talk, but there was a lot of it I'm sure. After railing her for around 20 minute, I had reached a climax. Cumming inside her felt incredible.

She sucked me off at one point as well, which was dope.

Our post-sex cuddles were comfortable and warm. I deep dived her about a bunch of stuff. She was telling me about her hometown about 50 kilometres from Saigon. She lived in a small, poor village of around 50 people where everyone knew each other. She said that every night people would come over to her place to watch Hong Kongese movies. Her family owned the only cafe in the village. Thao told me how she wanted to move to Saigon because she wanted to pursue her education there, and I deep dived her a bit about that.

By the time we were finished up, I'd assume that she was going to stay the night with me, but she had to be on her way home. Her curfew was 11, and it was already close to midnight. Oops. We got dressed and took a couple of selfies. I walked her out, and she called a Grab taxi back to place.

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Finishing thoughts:
It's an incredible feeling to lay a girl that you have strong feelings for. The whole night was just magical and I felt like I was in a movie or something. Considering my investment, my passion during escalation was genuine, powerful and electrifying. Throughout the date, I think things progressed well. My strong suit were my fundamentals, my playful and flirty vibe, my use of touch, and my persistence in the escalation into sex. I think overcame LMR pretty easily here, despite the fact that she gave me a lot of it. I think my passion was key here. I was on fire. Had I not been so passionate, I may not have been able to sleep with her. My passion really dissolved her resistance. I was also super gentle, and sweet with her, making sure she knew that I cared about her - which I did... a lot. This was also an attainability move. I had to fix my attainability problems that were present in the past. I made her feel like she was special and that I wasn't going to hurt her.

I had a great time with Thao, and was really happy to see her again. Actually, I like her a lot and wouldn't mind dating her.

 

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FR: 6 January 2017: Bali, Indonesia.

I matched with 18 year old Salma on Tinder. We met outside Gloria Jeans Coffee near my guesthouse. She was a little taller than I was, around 5'6. She was wearing a green top and red skirt. She had a pretty face and a slim body.

We ordered our milkshakes and headed upstairs and picked a table.

Salma spoke with an international American accent despite being Indonesian. I deep dived her a little bit, but her life was pretty uninteresting. I asked her what she liked to do for fun - and she replied, "Sleeping." She was on holiday at the moment and had stayed at home for a couple of days straight, which is why she wanted to go out... and meet me. Her personality wasn't at all interesting either... it was pretty dull. But the conversation still managed to flow. My mango smoothie was also ridiculously sweet... even after diluting it many times with water. We had a good laugh about that.

We went for a walk. About 3 minutes in, when navigating through a crowd of people, I held onto her hand. It felt nice to hold her hand. We walked to the beach, which was extremely busy, and not fit for walking, so we walked on the footpath. I wanted to find a place to sit where I could physically escalated a bit, but everywhere was quite crowded. Eventually we sat down on a seat next to a busy footpath. There was no point escalating there because it was so busy.

We then went to watch the sunset at the beach. That's the time I decided to pull. It was sloppy. and I fumbled with my word. I said, "I kinda want to watch some TV. Let's watch some TV where its not too cold or hot." Yeah. I fucked that up. She responded by saying that she had to go home, and that she was meant to pick up her Mum from work about half an hour ago. I persisted in getting her to stay, telling to come for just a little bit, but she couldn't stay. She called her mum. I tried to get her to sit down again, but she was in a hurry to go.

We walked towards my guesthouse and we parted ways.

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Finishing thoughts:
I definitely screwed up that pull, but I was (maybe) partially screwed by the fact that she had to pick up her Mum. In either case, Salma was clearly quite inexperienced and very young as well, and probably not comfortable enough with me to come back with me. Plus, the clumsy pull would've been off putting to her. If I could find a place to escalate and perhaps kiss her, I might've been able to pull her again... or maybe not. The fact that she made no mention of having to leave prior to the pull meant I definitely screwed up the pull big time. I should've said something like, "I'm kinda tired of being outside where it's so crowded. Let's go back to mine and chill for a bit there. It'll be cooler too because I've got aircon. Let's go"