Karea’s Post on California Pimp (Source?)

[Skills]

The older stuff to me definitely seems real. I can see why the newer stuff would be staged - especially with the current times we live in where it can be misconstrued as assault (if it were the same scenario as when Slim was making videos in the 2000s). That too, perhaps they want more videos out and more efficiently, which a staged format would be better at.

Jesus christ! Get some experience bookmark this post come back then... i remember arguing with a dozen dudes about justin wayne.... then about the last gll daygame infield, after that he was done... this is deja vu

 

[Rakehell]

Cmon guys, those videos are obviously for entertainment. Not to say you can’t learn from them, taking what might be useful.

This is the reason porn is considered “toxic”, whenever it’s used in that connotation in the first place.

Things that seem plausible to someone who hasn’t actually done the thing, will look at a porno, assume it’s a REAL dynamic, then go and do something similar in real life.

All of a sudden you have guys uncalibratedly smacking up and choking chicks because they saw it in a porno.

 

[Chase]

Not having watched any of these videos, it's kind of hilarious to me that this debate continues to rage on two decades after it began.

You have guys claiming it's real or partly real, including experienced guys who know what they're talking about.

You have guys claiming it's obviously staged, including experienced guys who know what they're talking about.

Seems like one of those situations where you'd have to be in the room with the guy watching it go down end-to-end to ever really know for sure.

Otherwise, your confirmation bias is simply going to get the better of you.

I will say, if the method seems good enough to be believable, it is probably executable, whether it's real or staged (seems like this was @Skills's point in an earlier post in this thread as well).

Same way you can take inspiration from Hollywood films and model yourself after seducers who are fabrications of writers, directors, and actors.

If it looks like it should work, you can probably make it work, with enough field testing and calibration. Whether or not the original production was real or staged...

Well, assuming you understand women and seduction enough to have a good radar for "what should work", that is...

Chase

 

[Skills]

Not having watched any of these videos, it's kind of hilarious to me that this debate continues to rage on two decades after it began.

You have guys claiming it's real or partly real, including experienced guys who know what they're talking about.

You have guys claiming it's obviously staged, including experienced guys who know what they're talking about.

Seems like one of those situations where you'd have to be in the room with the guy watching it go down end-to-end to ever really know for sure.

Otherwise, your confirmation bias is simply going to get the better of you.

I will say, if the method seems good enough to be believable, it is probably executable, whether it's real or staged (seems like this was @Skills's point in an earlier post in this thread as well).

Same way you can take inspiration from Hollywood films and model yourself after seducers who are fabrications of writers, directors, and actors.

If it looks like it should work, you can probably make it work, with enough field testing and calibration. Whether or not the original production was real or staged...

Well, assuming you understand women and seduction enough to have a good radar for "what should work", that is...

Chase

Yes exactly my point to field test...there was a poster in nextasf almost in his 50s forgot hid name put an ad to take pictures, and did this type of game and got laid, posted proof... forgot his name...

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Funny this should come up again as I just got back into watching Cali Pimp videos. The staged or real debate is old indeed... I can't find that disclaimer on his website and even if it's there, it's probably there for legal reasons. Personally I think it's a mix of both, and elTopo is friends with the CP... he told us some are definitely real. Watch 30 videos and tell me they're all staged... Some of these girls look legit clammed up and uncomfortable initially and if they're acting, then they're better than the cream of the crop in Hollywood, I'll say that.

On the other hand, some are obviously acting and the acting is bad at that. There's also some that walk in like "so yo, do you want me to take my clothes off? I've done it all, anal, blowjob threesome..." It's a wild mixed bag kinda like when you go daygame and you get some virgins and some professional strippers and everything in between.

All of the above is kinda boring to argue about and not very useful. What's useful to think about is... what can you learn from the way he interacts with these girls? What can you learn from how the girls respond to his various moves? What can you learn from the way he vibes with them, puts them at ease, controls the frame, steers the ininteraction and treats them physically and sexually?

I'll tell you what I learned from it... I found it in 2008, and before that time I was still using kiss close routines on girls if I couldn't get the vibe right. After studying and modeling the Cali Pimp stuff, I started getting lays between 20 to 80 minutes from cold street approaches... I couldn't have done it without the cali pimp vids, and I have like 7 or 8 of those mega fast LRs, and I used much of it in my endgame on all the slower LRs as well. Some of these moves are money and belong in every set.

My vibe also shifted and became more smooth and sexual. My escalation changed totally. Girls loved it... they like this kind of take charge sexual guy more than the guy who kisses them after a few hours and then gradually runs the bases like in high school. Eventually I even learned to bait girls into escalating on me (not sure if that's in my articles), and I even came up with an escalation sequence where I didn't kiss the girls until after my dick was inside them... fun times.

It's kinda like what Joe Rogan says about psychedelics... are you traveling in divine realms and interacting with literal machine elves and mystical entities, or are you just hallucinating and delving deep into your subconscious mind? Either way, you can learn a lot from them about yourself and your life, so... who cares how real it is? The takeaways are very real, the changes in your life are very real... that's what matters to me. But then I've always cared about results first and foremost, yes?

Everyone should get a subscription to his website and watch a few dozen of the videos. I can't vouch for the newer ones, the archive we had and analyzed was all the stuff prior to 2008 obviously, but you will learn a lot if you know what to look for. (side note disclaimer: careful overescalating in the age of rape hoaxes and all that... don't even use it at all unless you're already relatively advanced or you may miscalibrate and land yourself in jail). But yeah this kind of raw masculinity, smooth and sexual vibe is something every seducer should learn and model.

2c.

 

[Jan]

After studying and modeling the Cali Pimp stuff, I started getting lays between 20 to 80 minutes from cold street approaches... I couldn't have done it without the cali pimp vids, and I have like 7 or 8 of those mega fast LRs, and I used much of it in my endgame on all the slower LRs as well. Some of these moves are money and belong in every set.

Can you please let us know specifically what have you incorporated into your own game from CP?

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Funny this should come up again as I just got back into watching Cali Pimp videos. The staged or real debate is old indeed... I can't find that disclaimer on his website and even if it's there, it's probably there for legal reasons. Personally I think it's a mix of both, and elTopo is friends with the CP... he told us some are definitely real. Watch 30 videos and tell me they're all staged... Some of these girls look legit clammed up and uncomfortable initially and if they're acting, then they're better than the cream of the crop in Hollywood, I'll say that.

On the other hand, some are obviously acting and the acting is bad at that. There's also some that walk in like "so yo, do you want me to take my clothes off? I've done it all, anal, blowjob threesome..." It's a wild mixed bag kinda like when you go daygame and you get some virgins and some professional strippers and everything in between.

All of the above is kinda boring to argue about and not very useful. What's useful to think about is... what can you learn from the way he interacts with these girls? What can you learn from how the girls respond to his various moves? What can you learn from the way he vibes with them, puts them at ease, controls the frame, steers the ininteraction and treats them physically and sexually?

I'll tell you what I learned from it... I found it in 2008, and before that time I was still using kiss close routines on girls if I couldn't get the vibe right. After studying and modeling the Cali Pimp stuff, I started getting lays between 20 to 80 minutes from cold street approaches... I couldn't have done it without the cali pimp vids, and I have like 7 or 8 of those mega fast LRs, and I used much of it in my endgame on all the slower LRs as well. Some of these moves are money and belong in every set.

My vibe also shifted and became more smooth and sexual. My escalation changed totally. Girls loved it... they like this kind of take charge sexual guy more than the guy who kisses them after a few hours and then gradually runs the bases like in high school. Eventually I even learned to bait girls into escalating on me (not sure if that's in my articles), and I even came up with an escalation sequence where I didn't kiss the girls until after my dick was inside them... fun times.

It's kinda like what Joe Rogan says about psychedelics... are you traveling in divine realms and interacting with literal machine elves and mystical entities, or are you just hallucinating and delving deep into your subconscious mind? Either way, you can learn a lot from them about yourself and your life, so... who cares how real it is? The takeaways are very real, the changes in your life are very real... that's what matters to me. But then I've always cared about results first and foremost, yes?

Everyone should get a subscription to his website and watch a few dozen of the videos. I can't vouch for the newer ones, the archive we had and analyzed was all the stuff prior to 2008 obviously, but you will learn a lot if you know what to look for. (side note disclaimer: careful overescalating in the age of rape hoaxes and all that... don't even use it at all unless you're already relatively advanced or you may miscalibrate and land yourself in jail). But yeah this kind of raw masculinity, smooth and sexual vibe is something every seducer should learn and model.

2c.

Damn, you definitely should write a post breaking down your smooth, sexual vibe/sequence and escalation sequence

Or a course. Would pay for that! Always love going through your insights.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Jesus christ! Get some experience bookmark this post come back then... i remember arguing with a dozen dudes about justin wayne.... then about the last gll daygame infield, after that he was done... this is deja vu

Justin wayne was fake?

Funny how watching his stuff helped me achieve a few fast kiss closes back then... he made it look possible and i tried it. Worked a few times

 

[Skills]

Justin wayne was fake?

Funny how watching his stuff helped me achieve a few fast kiss closes back then... he made it look possible and i tried it. Worked a few times

Well what matters is that he help you progress, that is all you should be worried about... I personally did not understand when he was so popular what he was doing, (made no sense to me), girls were clearly red and trying to run away and he would flip them, on camera then get a tattoo and i was like, i don't get this??? so i made a post on nextasf, asking what i am not seeing how he does it??? i was not hating, just did not get it, of course as always a big shit storm, how dare i question.... (as always i was right at the end):

Meet the YouTube pick-up artist who films women without consent

One thing YouTube hasn’t addressed is the host of explicit videos on the site created by self-styled dating coaches, who promise to teach men how to manipulate women into sex, even if they say no.

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With the cali pimp, i saw couple of videos (2009) got fooled, i was like "oh shit karea right" in fairness to him, i have too look 2008 which is what is recommended by karea, i watched with mrs. skills so i won't be bias last night, mrs skills got horny (so i was happy, though she wanted sex, i decline, cause i don't have sex pre clubbing, will fuck up my sarge), but in 2 seconds mrs. skills discovered she was a fake and another girl in a different porno video (faith Adams)...

if you guys are doing cali pimp game make sure you DON'T BAIT AND SWITCH, is a low odds game, but again i am with agreement with karea/chase about different things that can be taken out of the videos, for example the dude does pyco a lot, i am a big proponent of pyco and he does like karea says a lot of things that can be used in seduction, as long as not bait and switch type seduction.... Eventually when i have time and i follow the recommendation i will make do a break down video, use of some of the karea suggestions etc... is just a lot of work and have to be unlisted for obvious reasons and i am scare forum members would fap instead of paying attention to the porn(so as of now i am leaning maybe)... again the skills method i develop from dancing bear videos on porno(reality stripper porn), and my massage techniques (learn from pornos too) and even pyco may have been influence by porn.... also again mode one who then stelar came out of (though i believe is low odds game and the dude in the video mode one learned from is not doing mode one but second gen, and at the end, when she is ready to go, is when he does direct sexual.... anyways mode one came from a porno called the word according to jack from john leslie:

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Can you please let us know specifically what have you incorporated into your own game from CP?

You could start with the articles UntaintedDeimos mentioned in the OP:

The Legend of California Pimp, Part I

Note from Chase: as noted by a commenter below, some of the content of this post was originally posted on a private discussion forum and reposted by one of the members there on a public one. The poster of the original message and the author of this are the same writer - known to you here as...

www.girlschase.com

The Legend of California Pimp, Part II

Note from Chase: this is Part II of Ricardus' breakdown of the method of a man known as the California Pimp. This first post was launched a day earlier to both controversy and praise; in this second one, Ricardus details how he himself took the lessons he learned from California Pimp and used...

www.girlschase.com

I'll write more when I have time and copy paste some escalation sequences from my old LRs

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

I'll write more when I have time and copy paste some escalation sequences from my old LRs

Alright guys... I actually wrote this up and deleted it half an hour later because it was all written for private forums and with that in mind (i.e. only a small group of trusted guys will read it... not on the public internet and indexed by Google). Showed the post to Chase and he agreed.

That said, I have something else to share here after watching a few more videos in the past few weeks... I'm more convinced than ever that people who think it's fake haven't seen some of these older videos from 20 years ago. Specifically:

Monica 2002 is very clearly real. I mean, I've had interactions like that like half a dozen times myself, and the CP from the girls' comments has a great vibe, is very good looking, and the girls always compliment his sense of style.

On the other hand, Harmony 2001 looks fake to me. That name is a typical stage name of strippers, porn stars and hookers... and she said she was waiting for her ride... that never comes up again. Lexi 2002 seems to be a hooker or something. Lacy 2002 looks real to me too.

Maria 2002 looks real to me too. You can definitely do such tricks if you're distinctly higher SMV than the girl. She's a female what, 6? 7? He's a male 9 or 10? We don't see him but the girls very consistently make that comment and he even prompts it by asking them.

Maria is a fascinating one because he makes her agree to pay him to fuck her. There's a bunch of sick NLP in there, and an interesting BF destroyer as well. Also watch “maria returns” from 2002, you will learn a lot (the two videos are inverted on the site so watch video 2 first).

Her comments are interesting, for example about how "most guys are too timid"… I know I was way too timid for most of my life, but then I realized that these Cali Pimp moves work in the real world, on normal girls you meet on a train or in the street, and just as quickly as he does.

 

[Warped Mindless]

I know a girl that was in the NVG videos.

She said she knew going into it that it was for adult videos but that she didn’t entirely know what to expect.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Well watch the ones I mentioned. Some of these girls clearly didn't know it was going to be adult videos.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Alright guys... I actually wrote this up and deleted it half an hour later because it was all written for private forums and with that in mind (i.e. only a small group of trusted guys will read it... not on the public internet and indexed by Google). Showed the post to Chase and he agreed.

Ouch! Are you open to putting a price tag and selling it tho? As a course or book?

Would love to get my hands on your escalation materials and your other stuff

Or how do i join such private forums

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Ouch! Are you open to putting a price tag and selling it tho? As a course or book?

Would love to get my hands on your escalation materials and your other stuff

Or how do i join such private forums

Or maybe post in the chat so google can't crawl it

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Or how do i join such private forums

Unfortunately none of them exist anymore. Sad! I have to massively censor all my FRs for that reason we well. I used to post all the dialogues I have word for word but it's just not a good idea to do that on a public forum.

Or maybe post in the chat so google can't crawl it

Sure, next time we're on chat remind me and I'll share a bit.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Just watching some Cali Pimp to mentally prepare for my date tonight and got curious if the Cali Pimp ever got doxed... Because I'm really curious what he looks like. The girls make so many comments about his looks.

One gets all hot and bothered before he even lays any moves on her and she says "they should get someone ugly to do this" lol. (Miranda 2002) Then she literally starts purring like a cat. Hilarious.

I haven't found anything on him yet, but there's a bunch of guys on a forum who figure out which of the girls are on other porn sites. The interesting thing is that with many of the girls, they can't find them anywhere except Cali Pimp's site. So, those are almost certainly real.

Performer Guide Netvideogirls.com

Alexis T = Chelsea Romero Allie = Eve Lawrence Amelia= Cherry Poppins Anna = Riley Rider aka Taylor Bow Dani = Gia Paloma Lexi = Julie Ryan Lorena= Lorena Sanchez Maria = Luna Blanca Melody= Isabella Soprano Mia = Mia Rose Skyler= Tory Lane Tera M. = Savanna James Vanessa= Gabriella Banks...

www.freeones.com

I'll also note, we heard from topo (who's friends with the Cali Pimp) that even girls who can be found on other porn sites, many had never done it before... so the CP was like a gateway drug for them and they only got into porn afterwards.

Btw just watching another one I'm pretty much certain is real - Stephanie 2003. Check it out guys.