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KJ Francis

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Maybe my lack of satisfaction issue is partly lack of connection and partly lack of quality. Because I noticed that I really don’t care to build connections with less beautiful girls lol. In my mind its like whats the point.

But with the beautiful girls its not even like I’m trying to build a connection, its like a byproduct of my investment in them. I treat them more romantically which leads to them treating me the same

Same. I think it has to do with impregnating. So men chase sex, women chase relationship (stay in the nest and protect me and care for our baby)... Then what? You aren't tamed yet. Now she actually needs your seed.

What is connection, cuddling, oxytocin...? Pair bond.

Your fat kid babies won't survive... Pump it out cause it's a positive cost/benefit ratio until you put resources into caring for it. That hot girl smart enough to be studying in higher education? Low abundance of good genes. You get clingy, needy... She feels you don't have abundance at her level and aren't preselected by top caliber.

So once you convert as partner and/or feel one-itis, be careful. Get her talking about herself so she feels connected to you.
 

KJ Francis

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Cracked another one today ✍🏾

Time in School: 12 weeks
Notches since arrival: 11
Total: 13

Heading to a massive college event in my home state this weekend before thanksgiving break, then I’m going back home.

Last time I was back in my home state I had way less experience. Cant wait to use my newfound powers over there.

Lots of fine women, and almost no reputation concerns 😝. I’m hard just thinking about it

Only (big) problem is gonna be logistics. My house is on lockdown with both my Mom and Dad and 24/7 cameras. Thats probably why I wasnt fucking much back home.

I’ll figure something out tho. Show must go on
Last post lol you are black Van Wilder why are you mostly approaching black girls? I get it... I went out with a girl from Africa and caught her checking out black guys all the time. For sure a lot to discuss, but you are literally a chapter in Nancy Friday... And then you are capable of way more than a basic archetype fantasy given your skill level.

Not sure what State you are in, but some of these girls may have been raised by really racist fathers, so their need for discretion may be sky high. It could maybe work in your favor... Some of these white girls may think you'd never talk to them and maybe won't be receptive unless it's super covert.

And on your points on logistics and another post on seduction being leading... I feel you so much man. Once you have a closing location... Most guys have no idea... It's just reeling a fishing line, handling snags.
 

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Not sure what State you are in, but some of these girls may have been raised by really racist fathers, so their need for discretion may be sky high.

Haha… Oh I know. White girl galore over here. I’m not entirely opposed to white girls its just there not any real attractive ones here

I havent experienced racism but I’m sure there is some.
 

Kaida

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Don't get bitter! Do it to find more girls you vibe with so you don't have to waste time talking with ones you don't! You are still going to feel attracted to your attainable options. One day they won't matter and you won't be attainable to them!

Lol I was just chatting ngl… I already stopped caring.

Her friend group is fine asf though and they literally all stare at me every time I walk by. They all attractive, I wouldn’t mind fucking every single one of them 😂

If I cant fuck them now the opportunity definitely will be open in the spring
 

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Lol I was just chatting ngl… I already stopped caring.

Her friend group is fine asf though and they literally all stare at me every time I walk by. They all attractive, I wouldn’t mind fucking every single one of them 😂

If I cant fuck them now the opportunity definitely will be open in the spring
You are a tiger who was just waiting for someone to lift that gate huh
 

KJ Francis

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Haha… Oh I know. White girl galore over here. I’m not entirely opposed to white girls its just there not any real attractive ones here

I havent experienced racism but I’m sure there is some.
Majority black population? That's sick then if it's what you're into. I thought maybe you were passing others up, white or otherwise.
 

Kaida

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Majority black population? That's sick then if it's what you're into. I thought maybe you were passing others up, white or otherwise.

It’s majority white, like 70%. Black pop is slightly higher than normal at 10% but still pretty low.

The only attractive white girls I’ve seen are the really popular ones with 200-500k followers here
 

Kaida

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ANOTHA ✍🏾

Time in School: 15 weeks
Notches since arrival: 12 (+1)
Total: 14

This was a 3 man mission with 2 of my friends. I have a lot of acquaintances but these are the friends I hang out with most. We ‘re all attractive and all probably fuck near the most out of the black freshman men on campus. They’re good wingmen. I was the only one who ended up cracking this time though. Performance by me was mid, need to step it up



Getting behind a bit on the new notch every week goal, likely because freshman fall is ending and social circles are forming. Not an excuse but yeah.

I have like 2 possible links tomorrow as well, we’ll see how that goes
 

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Insane oneitis hit me out of nowhere... working through it. Lowkey affecting other things in my life, but I'm controlling my thoughts about her and I'm much better than I was earlier - this morning it was really bad.

Some girl I've fucked about 6-7 times now... she dodged my invite like 4-5 times. She was practically on call in the beginning and even came over at 4am one time, but over time she became less and less compliant.


I was looking through my messages and it seemed like the time it changed was after the fourth fuck when I asked her to come (This was back in October):

Me: wyd

Her: I'm doing work right now

Me: you should come here

Her: I'm not trying to do anything thoooo

Me: Oh really? Why's that

Her: I just don't want to and I'm kind of tired.

(At the time, my previous self took this as disrespect. The tone I used in my head for that message was like implying the sex wasn't good or not worthwhile. I know now not to be so arrogant)

Me: cool

Pretty much every time after this it was always something that came up when I asked. Whether it was "homework" or she was "tired" or fell asleep. I used to hit her up every weekend and she would oblige. About 4-5 dodged invites spread over a couple weeks.

So I tried a different strategy - long text conversations during the week, and maybe for 1 weekend I didn't hit her up, and after she dodged I didn't immediately stop texting her like I normally did. I would be like "Oh, cool" and continue the conversation.

I eventually saw her in person at the club and flirted without being super sexual, made her feel good and like I liked her for real.

A few days later I asked her to come over over text and she dodged again. I was midway throwing the ball in her court, saying I didn't want to bother her anymore and she immediately reassured me that I wasn't bothering her. I took that as a sign and invited her over next day and she came and brought her Nintendo because she wanted me to play Fortnite lol.

She told me that she fucked another guy on campus, which stung I'm not going to lie. She also said she has a total of 3 bodies including me.

After we fucked and she left I texted her saying I enjoyed my time with her. She sent back a hearty message saying she did as well. Cool. I thought we were back.

One week later I hit her up at night and say she should come over and bring her Nintendo again, since I barely played the fortnite last time. She completely ignored the message. (But weirdly sent me a "snap picture" message, which is effectively ignoring the message but still sending a pic probably to not look like she was ignoring me too much)

This is the same girl that was chasing me hard after the first fuck. She was using lots of emojis, asking for my number because I replied slow on snapchat, sending me pictures, liking every story I posted on insta etc.

She was literally on call basically when I wanted as well. I even remember being a little turned off by the clinginess. I mainly only kept fucking her because she was the first girl I've been able to nut in because she's on birth control.

I assumed I miscalibrated, so I tried to reset to how I did things before. Tried texting her on snapchat without asking her out, inserted some compliments in there as well. Only this time she just stops replying mid-conversation...

So I look at the text and realize it doesn't really require a reply. So I was like okay, let me try with a ping.
So the next day I text her a low effort ping saying that I'm in her hood (her dorm has a popular food place I like). We text and I insert some more compliments in there to encourage her to open up. Neutral response.

I try and get her more invested with a screening question and then she just ignores it completely. Hasn't replied since.

I've been fighting the urge to text her again. I already made a vow to not text her till February 23rd unless she texts me first or I get advice that says otherwise.

The ignoring combined with the fact that she's fucked another guy here just has me overthinking like crazy.

It makes me start to doubt that my sex isn't good enough either. I could never really tell if she orgasmed. I'm also kind of inhibited with her, I never really do anything crazy. The sex probably seems predictable to her as well.

And if I was really doing my thing in bed like nobody else has done to her, would a girl even resist being able to just treat me like this? Making me feel like I'm just an average dude on her phone chasing her. Hate being treated like I'm average

I might need to do topcats thing of just cutting off all my old hoes to train myself out of oneitis. The main reason I even started seduction is because I never want to feel this shit again. This shit is a bitch
 
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Insane oneitis hit me out of nowhere... working through it. Lowkey affecting other things in my life, but I'm controlling my thoughts about her and I'm much better than I was earlier - this morning it was really bad.

Some girl I've fucked about 6-7 times now... she dodged my invite like 4-5 times. She was practically on call in the beginning and even came over at 4am one time, but over time she became less and less compliant.


I was looking through my messages and it seemed like the time it changed was after the fourth fuck when I asked her to come (This was back in October):

Me: wyd

Her: I'm doing work right now

Me: you should come here

Her: I'm not trying to do anything thoooo

Me: Oh really? Why's that

Her: I just don't want to and I'm kind of tired.

(At the time, my previous self took this as disrespect. The tone I used in my head for that message was like implying the sex wasn't good or not worthwhile. I know now not to be so arrogant)

Me: cool

Pretty much every time after this it was always something that came up when I asked. Whether it was "homework" or she was "tired" or fell asleep. I used to hit her up every weekend and she would oblige. About 4-5 dodged invites spread over a couple weeks.

So I tried a different strategy - long text conversations during the week, and maybe for 1 weekend I didn't hit her up, and after she dodged I didn't immediately stop texting her like I normally did. I would be like "Oh, cool" and continue the conversation.

I eventually saw her in person at the club and flirted without being super sexual, made her feel good and like I liked her for real.

A few days later I asked her to come over over text and she dodged again. I was midway throwing the ball in her court, saying I didn't want to bother her anymore and she immediately reassured me that I wasn't bothering her. I took that as a sign and invited her over next day and she came and brought her Nintendo because she wanted me to play Fortnite lol.

She told me that she fucked another guy on campus, which stung I'm not going to lie. She also said she has a total of 3 bodies including me.

After we fucked and she left I texted her saying I enjoyed my time with her. She sent back a hearty message saying she did as well. Cool. I thought we were back.

One week later I hit her up at night and say she should come over and bring her Nintendo again, since I barely played the fortnite last time. She completely ignored the message. (But weirdly sent me a "snap picture" message, which is effectively ignoring the message but still sending a pic probably to not look like she was ignoring me too much)

This is the same girl that was chasing me hard after the first fuck. She was using lots of emojis, asking for my number because I replied slow on snapchat, sending me pictures, liking every story I posted on insta etc.

She was literally on call basically when I wanted as well. I even remember being a little turned off by the clinginess. I mainly only kept fucking her because she was the first girl I've been able to nut in because she's on birth control.

I assumed I miscalibrated, so I tried to reset to how I did things before. Tried texting her on snapchat without asking her out, inserted some compliments in there as well. Only this time she just stops replying mid-conversation...

So I look at the text and realize it doesn't really require a reply. So I was like okay, let me try with a ping.
So the next day I text her a low effort ping saying that I'm in her hood (her dorm has a popular food place I like). We text and I insert some more compliments in there to encourage her to open up. Neutral response.

I try and get her more invested with a screening question and then she just ignores it completely. Hasn't replied since.

I've been fighting the urge to text her again. I already made a vow to not text her till February 23rd unless she texts me first or I get advice that says otherwise.

The ignoring combined with the fact that she's fucked another guy here just has me overthinking like crazy.

It makes me start to doubt that my sex isn't good enough either. I could never really tell if she orgasmed. I'm also kind of inhibited with her, I never really do anything crazy. The sex probably seems predictable to her as well.

And if I was really doing my thing in bed like nobody else has done to her, would a girl even resist being able to just treat me like this? Making me feel like I'm just an average dude on her phone chasing her. Hate being treated like I'm average

I might need to do topcats thing of just cutting off all my old hoes to train myself out of oneitis. The main reason I even started seduction is because I never want to feel this shit again. This shit is a bitch

Your response to everything is normal G

When you have a girl under your finger and she suddenly loses interest it can make you feel like chasing.

You might even convince yourself that you love that girl and beat yourself up about why you didn’t treat her better when she was around

I’ve experienced it before and seen it happen to a lot of my friends. It’s all an illusion because if you do get back with that girl again you will realize why you didn’t even like her the first time

A lot of her flakey behavior could be explained by the other guy and hate to say it but there’s a big possibility you were probably a rebound fuck

She fucked you then went back to patch things up with the other dude again. Don’t stress because these things happen and do your best to move on to other receptive girls

This one may swing back around or she may not so put yourself in position to be cool with whatever happens
 

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Your response to everything is normal G

When you have a girl under your finger and she suddenly loses interest it can make you feel like chasing.

You might even convince yourself that you love that girl and beat yourself up about why you didn’t treat her better when she was around

I’ve experienced it before and seen it happen to a lot of my friends. It’s all an illusion because if you do get back with that girl again you will realize why you didn’t even like her the first time

A lot of her flakey behavior could be explained by the other guy and hate to say it but there’s a big possibility you were probably a rebound fuck

She fucked you then went back to patch things up with the other dude again. Don’t stress because these things happen and do your best to move on to other receptive girls

This one may swing back around or she may not so put yourself in position to be cool with whatever happens

Thats good. One thing I noticed about myself is that I’ll go crazy if I think its my fault and I caused it by being off my game, but its much easier to move on once I realize its not my fault. This helped a lot man thanks.

And its also weird how she kept flaking until I started pulling away with the BIHC message. Then she immediately switched tone and came over. Then she went back to being flakey.

Its like she’s scared to lose me but still doesn’t want to comply.
 

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@Kaida
- you are too young
- you need more experience with relationships, especially open ones

Girls will only stick around if they see the light at the end of the tunnel.
It means you can fuck 10 other girls besides her, but you are still BF material.
It's a fine balance that can only be obtained going through life and advancing in years.
As you naturally mature, it will show, and they'll notice it.

In the meantime, don't stress about girls vanishing.
They'll probably come around at some point.
Take that break to enjoy other experiences with different women and enrich you life as a whole.
(Nothing better than a returning chick who compliments you on something new you added to your repertoire.)
 

Kaida

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New lay ✍🏾thats 13 so far on campus.
(Read the part under the debrief. I literally cant catch a break 🤦🏾‍♂️)

Havent gotten as many lately due to mainly me approaching less. Plus I think the “hoe-phase” of college has died down a bit since the first semester is over and the freshman kind of have their own circles now. I could probably be pulling the same numbers with elite social circle game tbh, but I’m definitely not at that yet.

At the same time tho, I’m becoming much more sniper-like. This is the only (daygame) approach I’ve done in about a month by just responding to signals and I still got the lay. Nightgame is still a bitch lol.

This is also the first time I’ve gotten past that particular form of LMR where she logically accepts my frame that sex isn’t a big deal, but still insists on waiting.





Was pretty convenient I got a new lay so fast after my last post. Im like 95% over that old one now. But now with this new one it almost feels like the same thing happened🤦🏾‍♂️

Shes a cute girl and I was kind of treating her like a rebound, being super affectionate and whatnot. She was very affectionate too so I liked that.

I’m very good at getting girls to open up about their body counts and who they fucked, so very soon she was telling me she fucked another guy on campus and who it was.

The other dude she fucked is literally the highest status black frat guy on campus lol. Bro is the biggest party thrower and the mans instagram has pics of him on private jets with celebrities you’ve definitely heard of and shit. He has more status than football players tbh.

She said she fucked him 4 times on different occasions, and said he never invited her over and just told him she was coming over. As if that made it better lol. She said they’re still cool and on talking terms.

I asked why they stopped and she said “I just didn’t really want him in a relationship, but I COULD have him if I wanted” (Yeah, right.).

I pretended it didnt sting but it did. I think it would have hurt way less if it was a random dude. But I imagined that dude looking at me walking with this girl and smirking in his head, seeing me taking his sloppy seconds that was chasing him seriousl. (She tried downplaying it by saying she was drunk every time she called him and she knew him since high school, but I shattered that frame.)

I immediately X’ed her out for anything substantial in my head, while keeping my composure in person. Maybe I’d keep her as a FWB while I gain my momentum back

Fast forward>>> to a party last night this same high status dude was throwing (He literally throws all the good parties)

It was a Thursday so it wasn’t a super deep party but it was cool. I saw the high status dude as always in the center of attention doing his frat stroll.

I saw the girl and we flirted a good amount. She was giving me sexual looks, but it was loud so the conversation wasn’t too good. We split up and did our own thing the rest of the night like normal.

I hit her up after:


Me: you still there?

Her: Yea

Me: wyd after love

Her: going to an after party

Me: oh they throwing one?



That was last night immediately after her message at 1am. Its almost noon and no reply

It wasn’t until after I sent the text that I realized that its a fucking thursday lol. Who’s throwing an after party when there’s school tomorrow?

I asked my other friends and they said they didn’t hear about no after party. That frat throws girl-exclusive parties too, so I asked like 3 girls but they all said they never heard of anything.

I’m becoming increasingly certain she just lied to me to go fuck that dude 🤦🏾‍♂️. Still no reply from her. I replied immediately to her text, and if she was at an after party she would have time to reply back.

Obviously I’m not her boyfriend or nothing but… this shit just happened to me back to back. Just as I was gaining momentum again man.

I’m not even gonna hit her up tbh. Might just wait till she texts me since I ended with a question. If she doesn’t I know what it was.

I dont want to sound red pill at all, and I logically understand that they’re wrong and that theres good women out there. But emotionally… idk i feel like its becoming a lot harder find a woman that’ll stick to me.
 
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@Kaida you hook up with this girl once and you start tripping over the fact that she hooked up with this other dude. Sure its a factor, but it's not like she got run through by the whole crew or something. Unless she's a virgin, girl is bound to have fucked somebody. Okay, can feel a little weird it being someone you know. But shit man, you never know what kind of connection can develope. Convert her and that one dude she fucked could end up meaning jack shit to her compared to you. Even if he hangs with celebs and all that.

You are "writing her off" as an FWB before you have even converted her to an FWB. Meanwhile you got the top dog as your competition and he is already 3 lays deeper in the game than you.

Then, despite you having "written her off" you start tripping over the fact she didn't text you back that night and start doing a cross campus investigation, trying to get to the bottom of it.

This is after you basically let things fizzle out when you are interacting with her right then and there in person, and then send her a text that basically reads as "okay I wanna bone now."

You had the perfect opportunity to build momentum with her right then and there and keep the connection going. She was giving you sexual looks and everything. You could have easily pulled her to a more chill part of the party and built more connection, then bounced for round 2 together. Instead you bounce by your self to do whatever. Which probably reads to her as you not really be too about it, and maybe even that you would rather go cruise for other girls. Then just randomly hit her up after with a super bland "wyd later text." Not surprising she would brush it off. You overall are showing her a bunch of ambivalence.

Her response makes sense "Yeah I'm still at this party where you left me, and imma go after party later, cause we just doing our own thing anyway. peace"

Okay, maybe she went to go fuck Chad Super Star again, or not. But you had your shot to pull her away from that scene. Convert her to your team.

And, just giving you the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe she hadn't been ready to pull when you two were talking, and the night was still young. And maybe the move was indeed to just leave her there and go do your own thing.

But even still, sending a "wyd" text after it all is not the move. It just smacks of you looking for easy convenient sex, and also has a subcommunication that you just walked away from that party empty handed. Rather than, at the very least, taking the opportunity to ramp up a sense of connection in person, then leave HER wondering where you ran off to. Have HER going Sherlock Holmes on campus asking bout you.

If you needed to send a text after to keep to keep the connection going, trying to score was not the move. Maybe something more open ended would have done the trick. Give her the opportunity to respond at a later date.

But really the move was probably not to just leave her hanging in the lions den. I mean, what you expect? That she's not going to the "after party."

If you're about it, be about it. Otherwise she is going to see your ambivalence as indifference and your low effort "wyd" attempts will come across as majorly incongruent, and somewhat flacid (no offense)

That's my take at least
 
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@Kaida you hook up with this girl once and you start tripping over the fact that she hooked up with this other dude. Sure its a factor, but it's not like she got run through by the whole crew or something. Unless she's a virgin, girl is bound to have fucked somebody. Okay, can feel a little weird it being someone you know. But shit man, you never know what kind of connection can develope. Convert her and that one dude she fucked could end up meaning jack shit to her compared to you. Even if he hangs with celebs and all that.

Yeah, its not even the fact that they fucked that tripped me up. Girls tell me that all the time and I’m chill about it.

Its just that she was possibly fucking guy while fucking with me that made me feel some typa way

You are "writing her off" as an FWB before you have even converted her to an FWB. Meanwhile you got the top dog as your competition and he is already 3 lays deeper in the game than you.

Then, despite you having "written her off" you start tripping over the fact she didn't text you back that night and start doing a cross campus investigation, trying to get to the bottom of it.

This is after you basically let things fizzle out when you are interacting with her right then and there in person, and then send her a text that basically reads as "okay I wanna bone now."

Yeah. Yikes.

You had the perfect opportunity to build momentum with her right then and there and keep the connection going. She was giving you sexual looks and everything. You could have easily pulled her to a more chill part of the party and built more connection, then bounced for round 2 together. Instead you bounce by your self to do whatever. Which probably reads to her as you not really be too about it, and maybe even that you would rather go cruise for other girls. Then just randomly hit her up after with a super bland "wyd later text." Not surprising she would brush it off. You overall are showing her a bunch of ambivalence.

Her response makes sense "Yeah I'm still at this party where you left me, and imma go after party later, cause we just doing our own thing anyway. peace"

I’m starting to realize I’m not getting smooth, normal results because I’m not doing smooth, normal thing.

The normal guy thing to do when he sees a girl he just fucked and had a very good time with is to talk to her more and just be around her and have a conversation. Most cool dudes wouldn’t even mess up here.

While one part of me wants to do that, the other part of me is afraid of investing too much in girls due to not wanting to get hurt. Definitely due to some heartbreaks I had as a kid.

I start thinking too tactically and rigidly even though I want to just talk to her. But its like my mind feels resistance to just talking to a girl free of tactics because I anticipate failure.

So I start jumping between wanting her to come closer and pushing her away when she gets too close🤦🏾‍♂️ Literally just sabotaging myself

Okay, maybe she went to go fuck Chad Super Star again, or not. But you had your shot to pull her away from that scene. Convert her to your team.

True. I did have my chance🤦🏾‍♂️

But even still, sending a "wyd" text after it all is not the move. It just smacks of you looking for easy convenient sex, and also has a subcommunication that you just walked away from that party empty handed. Rather than, at the very least, taking the opportunity to ramp up a sense of connection in person, then leave HER wondering where you ran off to. Have HER going Sherlock Holmes on campus asking bout you.

If you needed to send a text after to keep to keep the connection going, trying to score was not the move. Maybe something more open ended would have done the trick. Give her the opportunity to respond at a later date.

But really the move was probably not to just leave her hanging in the lions den. I mean, what you expect? That she's not going to the "after party."

If you're about it, be about it. Otherwise she is going to see your ambivalence as indifference and your low effort "wyd" attempts will come across as majorly incongruent, and somewhat flacid (no offense)

That's my take at least

You’re right man. My indecisiveness is just showing through my actions and just making me less attractive. She definitely wanted to talk to me more.

What do you think I should do now? she still hasnt replied
 

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Hey man, you had 13 lays in a very short time. That's more than some people get in their lifetime. Makes me wish I had known about game at age 18 :)

Maybe it's time to explore relationships instead of just fucking around?

If not with this girl (though you can still give it a shot, but I think you'd have to give her a pretty good explanation of why you were afraid talking to her at that party to have a chance to turn her around), then with the next one.
 

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So... with this girl. One solution would be just to honest to her. I.e. texting her what you wrote here, why you didn't talk to her much at that event. Or telling her that in person, if she will give you the time of day.

You can't know if it's going to work though... Might be "easier" to just find another girl, and not mess it up with her in the first place. Taking into account that you're on a campus, and that people talk and you might not want all the world to know what you tell this girl.
 

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Look dude, as long as you are all cagey with these girls like this you are going to have trouble keeping them around. Basically you will get them to bed and then they are going to sense that they are just another notch on the bed post to you, and that you are more interested in them as a means of bolstering your personal identity. Rather than focusing on what quality of experience you can create with them. Once they catch wind of it they are going to turn 180 on you and walk the other way. Even if you had a bit of fun together the first go at it.

Especially if they have some other dude on the line that they are seeing but somewhat unsure of. As has happened in a number of your reports. She gets with you then (maybe) gets back with the other dude after. This will happen when you game her like this because it basically helps her put in perspective what else is out there (in this case you). You become this point of reference, as being this total poon hound type of dude where there is no real sense of connection or care in her as a person beyond "wyd later" (aka, I wanna fuck again). And now that other dude, while maybe not ideal, at least seems way better of a bet.

This isn't to say that they need you to be their next boyfriend. But they need to feel like they are valued. That their experience/desire is considered, and has room in the connection you are sharing. You can still be fuck buddies, and be a dirty animal. But you are a dirty animal she can feel safe letting go with. So she keeps coming back because you are a breath of fresh air.

Consider the quote in this link. Read it, then read it again and again until you understand all of it's nuances. It is a personal philosophy I strive for as a lover. I believe what the author puts forth whole heartedly. This mindset not only makes you a healthier happier person when it comes to exploring physical intimacy, but it will make you a better lover altogether. Hands down. It will also make you better at screening, and deciding which "ingredients" belong in the recipe you are cooking up. Besides, what women wouldn't want to keep coming back when a dish this delicious is on the table every time?

But here is the thing. Intimacy is always a risk. No matter what form it takes. You have to give a piece of yourself. It's just the way it goes. You get what you give. So if you are going to play the game, play it with all you got man. Life is too short to hold back the greater part of yourself. Sure, you will no doubt catch some L's. And boy will they sting. I am not going to sugar coat it. The stakes are high. But the more you play, the better you get. And in the game of love, the better you get, the more everyone involved wins.

So stop being so damn cagey, brother. You are only shooting yourself in the foot.

I say all this because I have been through it myself. Not saying I have all the answers. I am still figuring this whole thing out myself. But I can tell you as much as I've told you thus far.

And any way, in terms of this one girl? I don't know. Might have to let her go. I personally would just wait till you see her around again and aim to build the connection back up.

For now, focus on the big picture, and give yourself the opportunity for some deeper learning. Raise the stakes a bit, and put a bit more of yourself on the line.
 
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a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Kaida

Cro-Magnon Man
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My text game is becoming a lot tighter damn. Before I found it so hard to get girls having fun and investing in conversation with me. Now its almost every time.

I still need to think a lot before I send every message though. Sometimes I mess up as well. Obviously still room for improvement.

Now I need to work on in-person connection building with women. If I get that down tbh I already know I’ll be unstoppable



Also: I did lay a new girl since my last post^ but I didnt write it down because I forgot it lol.
Meet to fuck was like 1 hour - new personal record

As of now, that’s 14 lays in 6 months (got 12 in the first 4. Been slowing down a bit as I started expanding my focus to other things)

When I came to college I only had 2 lays. And less than a year before that I was a virgin. Exponential growth 🤌🏾
 
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