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JUST a word of caution - really long post.
I wrote this yesterday, but debated putting this LR online, since it doesn't show the most redeeming qualities about myself...but I hope to share what a closing set might look like coming from a beginner, and what other beginners should prepare for going into this. And perhaps any mistakes found on here can be avoided with extra preparation. Anyways, I'll also be putting this in my section in the journals board if anyone wants to see a more holistic progression of this story.
June 15th, Kyoto
Looking back at the day before, I knew today was going to be successful. The 2nd fairly attractive woman that I talked to yesterday wanted to come home with me within 15 seconds of meeting her. Logistics is what messed me up yesterday, but I found a "love hotel" in the area, and had a solid process down (opener --> chocolate cafe --> love hotel). Kyoto was going to be my place to shine...
Girl 1 -->
I wanted to work more on my template from yesterday: start speaking Japanese, and transition the conversation to English. The first girl I opened started this way. I started asking for directions to a nearby Post Office, and she surprisingly answered me in English and pondered for a while but, while she was thinking, I had remarked that she had great English. This opened the way to light rapport/banter. Anyways, I noticed she was putting investment in when she started to ask OTHER people where the place was. I was confused if either she digged me, or if this was a standard part of Japanese hospitality/foreigner treatment. I decided to move on with the process and attempt to get her to a nearby chocolate cafe, but I wasn't getting a straight answer from her. She offered a few times to walk me to the Post Office, but this had been done to me by another Japanese girl in Nagano, and I couldn't get any rapport from that one...and I figured if I didn't accept her value offer she would head into auto-rejection anyways. I figured this one was a lost cause, so I told her I really appreciated the help, and maybe I'll do some exploring around town instead.
Girl 2 -->
Saw this girl with the cutest pink skirt and facial features. Typical Japanese cutie, really. I went up and opened the same way I did with the last girl, and also asking for directions to the Post Office. I think she gave me an answer, but that wasn't what I was really interested in. We kept walking side by side for a while, conversing in each other's language in broken grammar. At one point she stated "I'm 19, by the way..." as if I was, like, 10-15 years older than her. I said something like "yeah, that's cool" in a bored way to convey that her being 19 didn't really matter. I said I was 19, too. I don't know if she believed me. It's nice, though, girls thinking I'm in my mid-twenties when I'm really 18. I think it's the fact I haven't shaved in 2.5 weeks? Anyways, I didn't try progressing with this chick; probably wasn't going anywhere. Ejected shortly after the age topic.
Girl 3/4/5 -->
These interactions pretty much all went the same way. I went up and asked if they spoke English, and all of these girls said no. If the girls were interested, they would at least reply with "a little".
Girl 6 -->
By this time, I was just going through girls trying to find one that said she'd speak a little English. I mean, if she did or not didn't really matter, it was more of a tester for IOI's. Anyways, walking through a crowd, I find this decently attractive (maybe HB7 or HB8) shorter girl. But when I opened in Japanese, she said
Her: I don't speak Japanese, you can talk in English...
Me: (laughs) Ah, well, my bad. It's almost like a survival technique at this point...
Her: (laughs) Yeah, that's true.
I thought for sure after the opening I was just going to leave. The reaction just sounded like something that you'd eject from. Little did I know...
Anyways, I decided to see if I could take the conversation further and if I could get her to the chocolate place. She neutrally obliged. Trying to find the chocolate place, we talked for a while, and I found out she was from Singapore (as if I was going to tell the difference between that and Japanese before the opening!), and we did some pretty light banter. We arrived at the chocolate cafe (no chocolate to speak of here, actually...), and she gave me several value offerings. First, she offered to pay my half of the meal, to which I said something like 'You're the best, but no thanks". Then we talked for a while, did some more light-to-mid rapport, some banter and so forth. After I told her how hard it was to find chocolate in Kyoto, she offered me a chocolate bar. I figured I wouldn't say no to 2 value offerings in a row, so I told her how much I appreciated it, stroked her hair while looking into her eyes, and then grabbed the bar.
There's some more to the process that happened here, but skipping ahead...at some point she asked me where I was staying. I wasn't sure if this was her filling in a gap of the conversation, or giving me a signal to push for the close. Since it hadn't to do with our previous conversation topic, I opted for the second. I told her "Alright, let's head out and explore". I told her if she saw a taxi to let me know. It wasn't until we were in the taxi that she asked why we were going to my place. I made some dumb excuse like "I've got some pictures from that trip I want to show you"...she didn't argue.
Here's the thing. The problem with logistics before was that my mom was staying in my room while I was gone. I couldn't bring her there, but THANK GOD for Japan's "love hotels", where you can rent a room for a couple of hours. I took her to one of these. We got to the place and the place was painfully decorated in a cheesy pink, and faces of Cinderella were everywhere. Like...wtf?? I didn't feel manly taking her here...Either way, we were there, and I was going to make use out of this. We stood there for at least 10-20 minutes talking to this concierge (who spoke NO English) about how payment was going to work. This was smelling bad. I didn't want her logically talking herself out of going in the room, so I lightly engaged her a few times before we figured out payment.
Doing the Deed (warning, extremely explicit)
When we entered the room, I was disgusted by how cheesy it was. Like. bad. "It's going to have to do!" I thought. I went to lay on the bed, and she went to the bathroom. I'm guessing she was doing herself up or something. But I sat on the bed thinking, "I don't feel very excited about this, I guess it's just gonna....happen". I didn't feel like there was a whole lot of sexual tension before or anything. "How can I feel so neutral about this...isn't this the pinnacle of my goals so far in PUA?". So after a bit of pondering she comes out and lays on the bed a fair distance from me. "Why don't you come over here, it's so much easier like that", I said. She complied and laid next to me. We were making fun of the preposterously-designed room for a while, and then I put my fingers under her chin to start going for a kiss. She didn't move her head, and I had a hard time going for a "man-handle" type kiss.
Confession: I've never french-kissed a girl before. Anything beyond cuddling was beyond familiar territory, so I was really winging off the knowledge I've gotten from GC. So I did this again, and put my finger under her chin, and, also again, she didn't budge/bad angle to go for the kiss. That's when she admittedly said
Her: "I'm sorry. I've just never done this before..."
I didn't want to say me neither, so I thread-amplified a bit on her lack of experience to make me seem more experienced.
Me: "That's alright, no worries...but by that do you mean you're still a virgin?"
Her: "(pause)....yeah.."
I forgot what I said exactly after that, but I grabbed a towel and put it underneath her (not paying for that fee!). I put my finger underneath her chin for a third time, and just went for the kiss. She went straight to tongue-action, which was a little off-putting. We started to make out (neither of us had done this before...which is strange, since she's fairly attractive AND 25??), and it was kind of boring. I didn't feel any passion, and felt completely neutral.
(Going to skip some parts and just give an overview)
We did a lot of foreplay, but I just wasn't getting hard. I think I had fapped a few too many times over the past 2 weeks, and I wasn't getting turned on. The sight of her naked didn't do anything for me...and it was the first time I've ever seen a woman naked. It just lacked passion...I mean, she was wet, and it was great that she was moaning (I think she orgasmed once or twice) during oral/hand sex, but I could NOT get hard. So...long story short, I haven't completely lost my virginity, since I couldn't put on a condom for vaginal sex. Which kinda blew, I guess, but it gives me something to strive for next time.
After 2 hours, nothing was going to happen. No vaginal sex...Though I did pop her cherry while fingering her...which I definitely wasn't expecting. So we just kinda sat and exchanged exciting stories about lives for 10 minutes or so before we had to leave. Anyways, we awkwardly hugged before we parted ways. I got her e-mail, but she lives in a country I'd never go to. Although, I should have still sent a follow up message after just for politeness I suppose...
Conclusions -->
- No fapping unless I have sex it kills hard-ons (at least 2 weeks of none before going in)
- Build more sexual tension somehow. This felt more like a robotic process for me than anything else.
- Check the hotel before setting up their place for logistics
- Send e-mail/text a few hours after to say it was nice to meet her
- Closing was really easy. In fact, the opening and conversation were only mediocre compared to other great interactions I've had, but this is the only one I've ever tried to pull...and it worked. I think I've been over-thinking this escalating thing. Just invite the woman over to your house, you don't need to spend 3 hours on her beforehand
- Don't buy condoms from Asia. They're always too small.
Jake
JUST a word of caution - really long post.
I wrote this yesterday, but debated putting this LR online, since it doesn't show the most redeeming qualities about myself...but I hope to share what a closing set might look like coming from a beginner, and what other beginners should prepare for going into this. And perhaps any mistakes found on here can be avoided with extra preparation. Anyways, I'll also be putting this in my section in the journals board if anyone wants to see a more holistic progression of this story.
June 15th, Kyoto
Looking back at the day before, I knew today was going to be successful. The 2nd fairly attractive woman that I talked to yesterday wanted to come home with me within 15 seconds of meeting her. Logistics is what messed me up yesterday, but I found a "love hotel" in the area, and had a solid process down (opener --> chocolate cafe --> love hotel). Kyoto was going to be my place to shine...
Girl 1 -->
I wanted to work more on my template from yesterday: start speaking Japanese, and transition the conversation to English. The first girl I opened started this way. I started asking for directions to a nearby Post Office, and she surprisingly answered me in English and pondered for a while but, while she was thinking, I had remarked that she had great English. This opened the way to light rapport/banter. Anyways, I noticed she was putting investment in when she started to ask OTHER people where the place was. I was confused if either she digged me, or if this was a standard part of Japanese hospitality/foreigner treatment. I decided to move on with the process and attempt to get her to a nearby chocolate cafe, but I wasn't getting a straight answer from her. She offered a few times to walk me to the Post Office, but this had been done to me by another Japanese girl in Nagano, and I couldn't get any rapport from that one...and I figured if I didn't accept her value offer she would head into auto-rejection anyways. I figured this one was a lost cause, so I told her I really appreciated the help, and maybe I'll do some exploring around town instead.
Girl 2 -->
Saw this girl with the cutest pink skirt and facial features. Typical Japanese cutie, really. I went up and opened the same way I did with the last girl, and also asking for directions to the Post Office. I think she gave me an answer, but that wasn't what I was really interested in. We kept walking side by side for a while, conversing in each other's language in broken grammar. At one point she stated "I'm 19, by the way..." as if I was, like, 10-15 years older than her. I said something like "yeah, that's cool" in a bored way to convey that her being 19 didn't really matter. I said I was 19, too. I don't know if she believed me. It's nice, though, girls thinking I'm in my mid-twenties when I'm really 18. I think it's the fact I haven't shaved in 2.5 weeks? Anyways, I didn't try progressing with this chick; probably wasn't going anywhere. Ejected shortly after the age topic.
Girl 3/4/5 -->
These interactions pretty much all went the same way. I went up and asked if they spoke English, and all of these girls said no. If the girls were interested, they would at least reply with "a little".
Girl 6 -->
By this time, I was just going through girls trying to find one that said she'd speak a little English. I mean, if she did or not didn't really matter, it was more of a tester for IOI's. Anyways, walking through a crowd, I find this decently attractive (maybe HB7 or HB8) shorter girl. But when I opened in Japanese, she said
Her: I don't speak Japanese, you can talk in English...
Me: (laughs) Ah, well, my bad. It's almost like a survival technique at this point...
Her: (laughs) Yeah, that's true.
I thought for sure after the opening I was just going to leave. The reaction just sounded like something that you'd eject from. Little did I know...
Anyways, I decided to see if I could take the conversation further and if I could get her to the chocolate place. She neutrally obliged. Trying to find the chocolate place, we talked for a while, and I found out she was from Singapore (as if I was going to tell the difference between that and Japanese before the opening!), and we did some pretty light banter. We arrived at the chocolate cafe (no chocolate to speak of here, actually...), and she gave me several value offerings. First, she offered to pay my half of the meal, to which I said something like 'You're the best, but no thanks". Then we talked for a while, did some more light-to-mid rapport, some banter and so forth. After I told her how hard it was to find chocolate in Kyoto, she offered me a chocolate bar. I figured I wouldn't say no to 2 value offerings in a row, so I told her how much I appreciated it, stroked her hair while looking into her eyes, and then grabbed the bar.
There's some more to the process that happened here, but skipping ahead...at some point she asked me where I was staying. I wasn't sure if this was her filling in a gap of the conversation, or giving me a signal to push for the close. Since it hadn't to do with our previous conversation topic, I opted for the second. I told her "Alright, let's head out and explore". I told her if she saw a taxi to let me know. It wasn't until we were in the taxi that she asked why we were going to my place. I made some dumb excuse like "I've got some pictures from that trip I want to show you"...she didn't argue.
Here's the thing. The problem with logistics before was that my mom was staying in my room while I was gone. I couldn't bring her there, but THANK GOD for Japan's "love hotels", where you can rent a room for a couple of hours. I took her to one of these. We got to the place and the place was painfully decorated in a cheesy pink, and faces of Cinderella were everywhere. Like...wtf?? I didn't feel manly taking her here...Either way, we were there, and I was going to make use out of this. We stood there for at least 10-20 minutes talking to this concierge (who spoke NO English) about how payment was going to work. This was smelling bad. I didn't want her logically talking herself out of going in the room, so I lightly engaged her a few times before we figured out payment.
Doing the Deed (warning, extremely explicit)
When we entered the room, I was disgusted by how cheesy it was. Like. bad. "It's going to have to do!" I thought. I went to lay on the bed, and she went to the bathroom. I'm guessing she was doing herself up or something. But I sat on the bed thinking, "I don't feel very excited about this, I guess it's just gonna....happen". I didn't feel like there was a whole lot of sexual tension before or anything. "How can I feel so neutral about this...isn't this the pinnacle of my goals so far in PUA?". So after a bit of pondering she comes out and lays on the bed a fair distance from me. "Why don't you come over here, it's so much easier like that", I said. She complied and laid next to me. We were making fun of the preposterously-designed room for a while, and then I put my fingers under her chin to start going for a kiss. She didn't move her head, and I had a hard time going for a "man-handle" type kiss.
Confession: I've never french-kissed a girl before. Anything beyond cuddling was beyond familiar territory, so I was really winging off the knowledge I've gotten from GC. So I did this again, and put my finger under her chin, and, also again, she didn't budge/bad angle to go for the kiss. That's when she admittedly said
Her: "I'm sorry. I've just never done this before..."
I didn't want to say me neither, so I thread-amplified a bit on her lack of experience to make me seem more experienced.
Me: "That's alright, no worries...but by that do you mean you're still a virgin?"
Her: "(pause)....yeah.."
I forgot what I said exactly after that, but I grabbed a towel and put it underneath her (not paying for that fee!). I put my finger underneath her chin for a third time, and just went for the kiss. She went straight to tongue-action, which was a little off-putting. We started to make out (neither of us had done this before...which is strange, since she's fairly attractive AND 25??), and it was kind of boring. I didn't feel any passion, and felt completely neutral.
(Going to skip some parts and just give an overview)
We did a lot of foreplay, but I just wasn't getting hard. I think I had fapped a few too many times over the past 2 weeks, and I wasn't getting turned on. The sight of her naked didn't do anything for me...and it was the first time I've ever seen a woman naked. It just lacked passion...I mean, she was wet, and it was great that she was moaning (I think she orgasmed once or twice) during oral/hand sex, but I could NOT get hard. So...long story short, I haven't completely lost my virginity, since I couldn't put on a condom for vaginal sex. Which kinda blew, I guess, but it gives me something to strive for next time.
After 2 hours, nothing was going to happen. No vaginal sex...Though I did pop her cherry while fingering her...which I definitely wasn't expecting. So we just kinda sat and exchanged exciting stories about lives for 10 minutes or so before we had to leave. Anyways, we awkwardly hugged before we parted ways. I got her e-mail, but she lives in a country I'd never go to. Although, I should have still sent a follow up message after just for politeness I suppose...
Conclusions -->
- No fapping unless I have sex it kills hard-ons (at least 2 weeks of none before going in)
- Build more sexual tension somehow. This felt more like a robotic process for me than anything else.
- Check the hotel before setting up their place for logistics
- Send e-mail/text a few hours after to say it was nice to meet her
- Closing was really easy. In fact, the opening and conversation were only mediocre compared to other great interactions I've had, but this is the only one I've ever tried to pull...and it worked. I think I've been over-thinking this escalating thing. Just invite the woman over to your house, you don't need to spend 3 hours on her beforehand
- Don't buy condoms from Asia. They're always too small.
Jake
