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denis233391

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Hey Guys

I'm a 17 years old high school student from Switzerland. (sorry for english grammar mistakes)

I've been together with a girl (15) for about 1 month now. At the beginning the relationship was going really well. We had our first time together and we were head over heels in love. Unfortunately I feel like she is slowly losing interest in me and the relationship. I read Chase's Post about relationships and leadership and I think I'm doing a good job leaving her enough breathing room. For meeting her relationship needs I try to give her good sex but it seems like she isn't crazy about it too. (maybe because we are both inexperienced). I make her feel accepted and valued by listening to her worries and problems and I make her feel accepted and valued by giving her compliments.

But somehow nothing seems to help. I feel her drifting away, day after day, little by little...

I'm aware that there are plenty of other girls and I could just go for someone else. But I genuinely like her and I would really like to master the skill of maintaining relationships. Is there some crucial factor I'm missing out, or does anyone has some other advice?

Thanks

Denis
 

Howell

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denis233391 said:
Hey Guys

I'm a 17 years old high school student from Switzerland. (sorry for english grammar mistakes)

I've been together with a girl (15) for about 1 month now. At the beginning the relationship was going really well. We had our first time together and we were head over heels in love. Unfortunately I feel like she is slowly losing interest in me and the relationship. I read Chase's Post about relationships and leadership and I think I'm doing a good job leaving her enough breathing room. For meeting her relationship needs I try to give her good sex but it seems like she isn't crazy about it too. (maybe because we are both inexperienced). I make her feel accepted and valued by listening to her worries and problems and I make her feel accepted and valued by giving her compliments.

But somehow nothing seems to help. I feel her drifting away, day after day, little by little...

I'm aware that there are plenty of other girls and I could just go for someone else. But I genuinely like her and I would really like to master the skill of maintaining relationships. Is there some crucial factor I'm missing out, or does anyone has some other advice?

Thanks

Denis

Hi Denis, welcome to the boards!

Have you thought much about the direction you want the relationship to go? Most guys seem to get to a place where they're treading water -- good sex, emotional support, etc., and want it to stop there; put on the breaks. Girls often don't like this, as it's boring. They're not with you for emotional support -- they get that everywhere. So unless you change things up, the decline will continue.

You can change things up by incorporating a new activity you can do together that is fun and that you can form stronger bonds together on. Dancing is a good one. Something to relate on about more than the sex. Either that, or get better at sex -- but, even then, she probably won't notice a difference, as she's already used to you.

The other big thing is being more edgy, a topic which there are loads of article on on the main site, and that goes hand in hand with being non-needy and not pedestalizing her.

Also, and most importantly, do not grasp after her if you feel her slipping away. That will only push her away faster and make you feel worse afterwords. If you feel yourselves moving apart, do not succumb to the urge to chase her. She is an awesome person, but there are plenty of awesome people, and you are perfectly comfortable being single, if and when it comes to that. This also, btw, is your best bet of maintaining the relationship, or at least mutual respect -- leaving room in the rekindling in the future of this flame (preselection is a beautiful thing -- and may actually be useful to cultivate in your present situation as well as in the future).

You are young, so most of your relationships will be with relatively inexperienced, confused people. At your age especially, you should be thinking of relationships as surfing; catching the wave. And enjoy it! The girls are finding out who they are. The guys are finding out what they're into... it's potentially a very good time, as long as you don't try and cling too hard to any single person, clique, idea, etc. and just learn how to find joy in whatever situation you happen to be in.

Howell
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Good advice from Howell, although he is taking somewhat of a fatalistic approach (you might just not be right for each other, or she might be in a very experimental phase etc -- these are factors you cannot control, so if that's the issue you might just have to roll with it).

However I can say that IF you get a solid process down and do things right from the start, the course of the relationship seems quite predictable in my (admittedy limited) experience. Although lots can go wrong, girls are quite good at screening, so chances are that if she slept with you and you didn't fuck anything up, she wants to take it further (we call this post-sex retention). In that case it will be a fairly typical "FWB, spends 3+ months trying to tie you down into a relationship, is either happy with what progress she sees or auto-rejects and leaves" type deal.

Sure, there are exceptions. Like check radeng's journal "HB oneitis". In that case SHE wouldn't commit and left him a bit puzzled and upset as the months rolled by. But that's pretty rare. 95% likely, if this is not the pattern you see, you fucked up somewhere -- could easily have been before you even bedded her (setting too much of a boyfriend/not lover frame, for example)... in fact even in the difficult case I mentioned, radeng thinks this might have been an issue to some extent (radeng: correct me if I am wrong).

So, in my opinion you should be trying to troubleshoot your game. Anyway, experience is the best teacher so if there is any issue with your dating process or relationship management it will surely show up when you date more girls. It does sound like in your case it might be game over with this particular girl, but not NECESSARILY because if you can troubleshoot your issue you may be able to recover, depending on how bad it is.

For example, failing a woman's test is losing a battle and she will then test you much harder next time, but you can still win the war. My girlfriend tests me CONSTANTLY and that is one reason why we have a good relationship, because I dismiss her tests NEARLY every time and thus build a lot of attraction.

I highly recommend you read Franco Seduction's book titled "Manual of Seduction" (not the Franco from these boards) for more information about women's tests. You are being tested every day, whether you are aware of it or not. Here is an example of a test my girlfriend gave me a few days ago:
her: lately sex has been very difficult for me, I really tried hard to enjoy it but it hasn't worked [I am thinking WTF she is a horny little bitch who demands sex 3 times a day, gotta be a test]
me: oh really?
her: it's because I'n pregnant [yes she is 4mths pregnant to me], pregnant women have a drop in sex drive in the first X months
me: news to me, I am pretty sure it is case by case
her: no it is true
me: where did you read or hear this?
her: everybody says so [yep -- it's a test]
me: so you can't orgasm right now?
her: that's right [she looks really sad, I am flabbergasted she would think I'd fall for this bullshit, I give her orgasms every day]
me: I see [I kiss her and start to nuzzle her neck]
her: mmmmmnnnhh [sighs]
me: [I move down and start kissing her belly, her legs, around her panties etc]
her: [puts her hand over her pussy]
me: [continues to escalate, gently removes her hand, her shorts, her panties, etc]
her: mmmmmnnhh [starts to moan, breathe heavily, rock her hips etc]
me: yes, I agree... nothing seems to be working... what can we do?
her: [giggles]
TEST PASSED... WE HAVE AMAZING SEX
Hopefully this gives an idea what I mean. I can also see some other potential issues:
I make her feel accepted and valued by listening to her worries and problems and I make her feel accepted and valued by giving her compliments.
This has to be done very judiciously, and only as a reward for her investment and compliance. If you are not an experienced seducer you are probably being an emotional tampon and supplicating to her beauty. Cut this out completely until things are on a more solid footing. Practice some rejoinders "do I look like a psychiatrist?!" / "I haf diagnose you wif zee penis envy" or if she asks for praise "don't worry, fat is the new black" etc.

I also feel you do not have sufficient abundance and she can sense this. Despite your being in a relationship I recommend you set yourself some cold approaching goals and grab some dates and numbers. You don't actually have to cheat, if you meet a girl you really click with and set up a date you can always call your girl and break up with her before the date.

Another thing that I suggest you do is to cold approach and flirt with a few girls while you are out with your girlfriend. For example you are walking along the street with your girl and you see a woman dressed in smart clothes, you say "Hey! I noticed you walking by and I HAD to compliment you on your outfit... you are going to lunch now? Or it's a meeting?" ... fluff talk a few lines and wish her a good day. This signals to your gf that she is replaceable. BUT, use this technique VERY SPARINGLY. Chase says ONCE per girlfriend is enough. With experience you can do it more, and more casually, if you wish.

Ray
 

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@Howell
@ray_zorse

Thanks!!

I will try to apply as much as I can. Both of You really helped me to see things from a different perspective.

Denis
 

ray_zorse

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Hey mate another thing that just occurred to me is, in Chase's words "let's be boyfriend and girlfriend" is a very weak beginning to a relationship -- you need to let HER ask for a relationship (you're happy to just play the field and be a playboy) and refuse for the first 3+ months while continuing to play the field and meet her from time to time as well. Sorry if I didn't explain this although I guess you've been reading articles so you probably already know this. If you didn't do this (and it sounds like you guys got into an exclusive relationship straightaway, because mutually wanted to), then this could go some way towards diagnosing your issue.
Ray
 

denis233391

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I actually tried to do this and she chased really hard for a while. But my own emotions were too strong. I submitted to the relationship after like 1 week. (haha)
Thanks for reminding me again. Next time I will try to stretch that phase to something around 3 months.
 
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