Socializing My 2024 end of the year review.- The traveling year and the death of the alpha
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TBF 2024 it seems like everyone had a crappy year. But that's what I feel like it's happening, as well for me, getting half the lays I got in 2023. So let's see what 2025 holds, maybe it bit of change. I only see it turning around for the better if we have some upturn in the economy.
In popular night game places I see a less volume which is so true. Plus I missed out on the peak period June-august, mostly. weird vibe overall.
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as per op i personally did not have a crappy year, i actually had a good year... But clubs went to crap.... So i can see how it could turn crappy for other people.... Which is why i explain like 4 times the post is not about skills, but more as me trying to be as objective as possible....
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This is becoming a plague here.
Hard to find a <20yo girl who don't have one (or is thinking about it), or doesn't ask for gifts/money/dinners upfront.
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Amazing update, @Skills.
Hells yeah. Being alpha has become beta AF
IMO the whole "alpha. ALPHA!!!11!" trend was cringe back when Roosh and Roissy were pushing it in 2008.
Then all the try-hard manosphere guys jumped on the bandwagon and the cringing intensified.
Any fad term that is being used to mean "cool dude" is probably doomed to go full cringe sooner or later, as more and more lame guys pile in claiming that they, too, are "cool dudes", gimping the term.
Seems that way.
Yep.
There were tons and tons of PUAs moving around and traveling when I was new to the game too...
I did a ton of travel 2006-2009 when I was still on mASF, meeting up with PUAs wherever I went, and almost every guy I met up with was a recent transplant or an ex-pat if it was overseas. Guys were in constant flux... I'd meet PUAs picking up in some foreign country and then they'd be back in the US a year or two later. Or dudes I knew in the US would be relocating overseas.
When I moved to San Diego in 2007, I had four good natural or PUA friends there... none of them was from San Diego and none had been there more than 3 or 4 years.
But I will say one thing I am noticing is it seems like there are many fewer "new PUAs just in one US city" than we used to see.
New PUAs who pop up are often already traveling... whereas before a guy would cut his teeth in his home city for a couple years then decide he wanted to expand to other locales.
So maybe it is the case that the PROPORTION of active PUAs is shifting toward moving/traveling types, and "homebody PUAs" are just disappearing?
I could probably speculate on why (travel guys naturally out and about, easier to work cold approach in naturally... home city guys more likely to be in routines, and routine life for people nowadays is increasingly sit at home on screens... so rather than cold approach they use apps. Or just get girlfriends because no drive for playerdom).
I am in favor of this trend
We've been ragging on this for a few years.
Social media calls it 'rizz' and the stuff they are calling 'rizz' is absolutely retarded; guys going up and 'shooting their shots' in the most ineffective possible ways.
But given the social skills decline, and a lot fewer guys approaching, maybe it's just the case that a little retarded 'rizz' is all the average dude needs to get enough lays to tide him over now... so the motivation to learn more advanced game is no longer there.
Even younger guys I am seeing who do pretty well are using much less technical game. They're not motivated to learn it, and don't really seem to need to learn it, either.
If you have good technical game, you're basically over-leveled at this point given the lack of competition.
But then again it seems like a lot of guys just are not getting laid at all. More, I think, because they're just entirely out of the game, than that they are dedicatedly 'shooting their shots' and always failing.
It'd be interesting to follow around one of these 'rizz' 'shoot your shot' guys and see what kind of results he actually gets.
^ that's from 2020, baby.
Ahead of the curve as usual.
Sometime I should write up all the trends I've predated by years...
Plus the other ones I thought would turn into trends but never did...
I've seen a lot of social media posts by Gen Z chicks mocking the inflated steroid muscle look.
They just laugh over it, call it gross, etc. Just like girls gossiping and snickering about the weird kid in high school.
That is true. Guys are overplaying it now.
Product of less socialization.
I have talked to guys who were traveling who did not understand the dynamic when traveling from the US to Asia before, they would go to Asia bringing their US game and be teasing hard, breaking rapport, using lots of humor, and every girl would close off and leave. Then they would throw their hands up and say, "I don't get it. These girls are TOO conservative!"
And I'd be telling them dude, when you go to Asia, you need to use your BABY GAME. You go in, you are just REALLY NICE, you slap a BIG smile on, very friendly, you make sure that they can see you and approach from a bit of a distance before you close in, you act very expressive with lots of hand movements, you use very gentle teases like you would with a young child, you use a lot of smiling and signaling on your end to make sure they understand what you're saying/doing is a joke, etc.
You do not need to do that in Eastern Europe or Latin America or anywhere else. But in Asia, especially East Asia, because they are so under-socialized anything else is too intimidating and they just auto-reject.
The less socialized people get, the closer to "baby game" you have to get.
Yep. Baby humor.
Use your baby game.
The dude I knew who was doing the best on apps last year got banned from Hinge twice.
Each time Hinge banned him they sent out a MASS EMAIL to every one of his matches alerting them that he had been banned and if they were talking to him off the app or planning to meet him they needed to "be careful."
The first time he got reinstated -- it was over something dumb; I think some girl he decided not to meet up with reported him.
The second time was even dumber; he has really excellent professional photos but they got flagged as "AI" and banned him. They were not AI... he was pissed; had a really cute, shy girl he was planning a meetup with but Hinge sent out that "Beware! We banned this guy! Could be a scammer!" email and she ghosted.
There are also groups where the women all share their matches and talk about the guys they are going out with to share intel on playboys, warn each other off dating one another... our Hinge guy was putting together a guide to not getting screwed over in these groups for our dating app course (which I'm still figuring out how we want to structure for release. I'll probably release it in spring sometime).
Great update!
Chase
Hells yeah. Being alpha has become beta AF
IMO the whole "alpha. ALPHA!!!11!" trend was cringe back when Roosh and Roissy were pushing it in 2008.
Then all the try-hard manosphere guys jumped on the bandwagon and the cringing intensified.
Any fad term that is being used to mean "cool dude" is probably doomed to go full cringe sooner or later, as more and more lame guys pile in claiming that they, too, are "cool dudes", gimping the term.
Seems that way.
Yep.
There were tons and tons of PUAs moving around and traveling when I was new to the game too...
I did a ton of travel 2006-2009 when I was still on mASF, meeting up with PUAs wherever I went, and almost every guy I met up with was a recent transplant or an ex-pat if it was overseas. Guys were in constant flux... I'd meet PUAs picking up in some foreign country and then they'd be back in the US a year or two later. Or dudes I knew in the US would be relocating overseas.
When I moved to San Diego in 2007, I had four good natural or PUA friends there... none of them was from San Diego and none had been there more than 3 or 4 years.
But I will say one thing I am noticing is it seems like there are many fewer "new PUAs just in one US city" than we used to see.
New PUAs who pop up are often already traveling... whereas before a guy would cut his teeth in his home city for a couple years then decide he wanted to expand to other locales.
So maybe it is the case that the PROPORTION of active PUAs is shifting toward moving/traveling types, and "homebody PUAs" are just disappearing?
I could probably speculate on why (travel guys naturally out and about, easier to work cold approach in naturally... home city guys more likely to be in routines, and routine life for people nowadays is increasingly sit at home on screens... so rather than cold approach they use apps. Or just get girlfriends because no drive for playerdom).
I am in favor of this trend
We've been ragging on this for a few years.
Social media calls it 'rizz' and the stuff they are calling 'rizz' is absolutely retarded; guys going up and 'shooting their shots' in the most ineffective possible ways.
But given the social skills decline, and a lot fewer guys approaching, maybe it's just the case that a little retarded 'rizz' is all the average dude needs to get enough lays to tide him over now... so the motivation to learn more advanced game is no longer there.
Even younger guys I am seeing who do pretty well are using much less technical game. They're not motivated to learn it, and don't really seem to need to learn it, either.
If you have good technical game, you're basically over-leveled at this point given the lack of competition.
But then again it seems like a lot of guys just are not getting laid at all. More, I think, because they're just entirely out of the game, than that they are dedicatedly 'shooting their shots' and always failing.
It'd be interesting to follow around one of these 'rizz' 'shoot your shot' guys and see what kind of results he actually gets.
^ that's from 2020, baby.
Ahead of the curve as usual.
Sometime I should write up all the trends I've predated by years...
Plus the other ones I thought would turn into trends but never did...
I've seen a lot of social media posts by Gen Z chicks mocking the inflated steroid muscle look.
They just laugh over it, call it gross, etc. Just like girls gossiping and snickering about the weird kid in high school.
That is true. Guys are overplaying it now.
Product of less socialization.
I have talked to guys who were traveling who did not understand the dynamic when traveling from the US to Asia before, they would go to Asia bringing their US game and be teasing hard, breaking rapport, using lots of humor, and every girl would close off and leave. Then they would throw their hands up and say, "I don't get it. These girls are TOO conservative!"
And I'd be telling them dude, when you go to Asia, you need to use your BABY GAME. You go in, you are just REALLY NICE, you slap a BIG smile on, very friendly, you make sure that they can see you and approach from a bit of a distance before you close in, you act very expressive with lots of hand movements, you use very gentle teases like you would with a young child, you use a lot of smiling and signaling on your end to make sure they understand what you're saying/doing is a joke, etc.
You do not need to do that in Eastern Europe or Latin America or anywhere else. But in Asia, especially East Asia, because they are so under-socialized anything else is too intimidating and they just auto-reject.
The less socialized people get, the closer to "baby game" you have to get.
Yep. Baby humor.
Use your baby game.
The dude I knew who was doing the best on apps last year got banned from Hinge twice.
Each time Hinge banned him they sent out a MASS EMAIL to every one of his matches alerting them that he had been banned and if they were talking to him off the app or planning to meet him they needed to "be careful."
The first time he got reinstated -- it was over something dumb; I think some girl he decided not to meet up with reported him.
The second time was even dumber; he has really excellent professional photos but they got flagged as "AI" and banned him. They were not AI... he was pissed; had a really cute, shy girl he was planning a meetup with but Hinge sent out that "Beware! We banned this guy! Could be a scammer!" email and she ghosted.
There are also groups where the women all share their matches and talk about the guys they are going out with to share intel on playboys, warn each other off dating one another... our Hinge guy was putting together a guide to not getting screwed over in these groups for our dating app course (which I'm still figuring out how we want to structure for release. I'll probably release it in spring sometime).
Great update!
Chase
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This might explain in some part the dying of the night life scene in 2024... Gen Z is just not that into alcohol
Obviously many of them are simply not old enough to buy alcohol or go to bars, but that's still a massive drop off compared with previous generations.
Obviously many of them are simply not old enough to buy alcohol or go to bars, but that's still a massive drop off compared with previous generations.
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My experience is that nowadays they are heavily into drugs, especially marijuana and pills.This might explain in some part the dying of the night life scene in 2024... Gen Z is just not that into alcohol
Obviously many of them are simply not old enough to buy alcohol or go to bars, but that's still a massive drop off compared with previous generations.
I live really close to a college campus and what I see here is that they drink A LOT (way more than I used to in that age), but always on bars.
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Uhmm... I suspect they can't afford the alcohol tbh... I have to ask a seducer that does college parties were alcohol is cheap... Will pm himThis might explain in some part the dying of the night life scene in 2024... Gen Z is just not that into alcohol
Obviously many of them are simply not old enough to buy alcohol or go to bars, but that's still a massive drop off compared with previous generations.
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This is one of the self reported data that doesn't match reality of the field at all.... Again may be since venue closing, people in night game coming out wayyyy less, and a 20 dollar drink plus ubber, may come across as less....This might explain in some part the dying of the night life scene in 2024... Gen Z is just not that into alcohol
Obviously many of them are simply not old enough to buy alcohol or go to bars, but that's still a massive drop off compared with previous generations.
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Hells yeah. Being alpha has become beta AF
IMO the whole "alpha. ALPHA!!!11!" trend was cringe back when Roosh and Roissy were pushing it in 2008.
Then all the try-hard manosphere guys jumped on the bandwagon and the cringing intensified.
Any fad term that is being used to mean "cool dude" is probably doomed to go full cringe sooner or later, as more and more lame guys pile in claiming that they, too, are "cool dudes", gimping the term.
I don’t think the stereotype “Alpha” was ever a super good pull even in previous years. Sort of in the same vein as the over roided guy and gym bunny type of shit.
In this year I’ve noticed that a lot of people who were doing well just had stable jobs and were willing to lower there standards a little. The people who were super successful were essentially spam approaching and using apps as much as possible.
For me my greatest successes are usually just by not being useless and with a little bit of pea cocking. But I’m also well off money wise so I can flex and work with the richer women if I choose *[Usually these women are not great from what I’ve had so far]
The new meta 100% is concerts not clubs. Clubs are so dead it’s unreal, the ones in my city just have a pile of Hindus who are too poor to buy drinks anyways so the clubbing scene has become desolate. Yet I had more ass around me when I was at Taylor & Sabrina Carpenter. If you want more white chicks change that up with country concert acts.
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Where are you located without being doxxed if you don't want to??? I disagree with the spam approaching, unless day game or online but even online you will get shadow bann... Attracting usong wealth i call it dan bilzirian game works, if you know what you are doing and congruent... I have 0 interest in that type of game i rather pay a pro if i get to that
.. 0 appeal to me...
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found this video interesting on the mustache trend, again i am getting tons of success, with the stach, some girls think i am influencer lol..... I have been having TONS of what i call reality distortions as per op........ specially with the style, and the amount of attention i am getting (again my style now, you guys will see if i start posting videos (my motivation for videos is really low last couple of years), is very light beard on sides, full mustache looks like the pic (of course no long hair, talking about the beard), of course my style is on point with baggy, cropped boxy shirts and sumbas
again back to the op on some things on the why (helping my reality distortion understanding):
and
^ my point is the stupidity of gen z is what is helping at my age...
again back to the op on some things on the why (helping my reality distortion understanding):
and
^ my point is the stupidity of gen z is what is helping at my age...
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@Skills i'm seeing a lot of the AFC in the gen z women myself.
it makes me wonder though, if genz isn't having a lot of sex, does that make the value of good sex comparatively less than what it was before. Like would the girl even know how good your pipe is?
And if thats the case, do we lose a bit of one of our biggest assets in keeping casual relationships
it makes me wonder though, if genz isn't having a lot of sex, does that make the value of good sex comparatively less than what it was before. Like would the girl even know how good your pipe is?
And if thats the case, do we lose a bit of one of our biggest assets in keeping casual relationships
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opposite, value goes up. you just need to know how to sell it in regards to the current social frame, and her personal experience. Her not getting mind blowing sex is going to compell her even more if you sell her on it
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ah, maybe there's a gambit to be made here to capilize on the fact that she's likely only ever got super mid sex.
"you know... a girl friend of mine who's into women's health magazines told me the other day that only 8% of women have ever orgasmed while having sex with a guy. I find that to be actually insane, because that just means that over 90% of women have no idea what really good, passionate sex is like. They could be satisfied with their sex lives, but that's only because they've never experienced the leg shaking orgams that are so good they end up thinking about it for weeks. It's kinda sad really since women can actually have up to 8 different kinds of orgasms..."
maybe best as an intro into an actual gambit
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With inexperienced women, more so than sex gambits, I focus on comfort frames, discretion , and qualifying. once all that is in place late stage arousal is simple.
Ask about her past experiences, what those were like, how she would have wanted them to go instead. that kind of stuff. help her feel like there is room for her desire in your interactions, then frame good sex within that.
reframe current sexual attitudes as important but also missing a piece of genuine passionate expression.
frame the importance of intimacy, privacy, and discretion in an everything online era.
hell her feel like she can have a secret little piece of her life that isn't all about performing or worrying about judgment.
Then arouse
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she is AFC for a reason. you gotta find out what has put her there, on a level that is personal to her
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The segment of gen z that is not having a lot of sex, if you give them good sex, they get onitis for a while, and want to be with you 24/7, super annoying....
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It's pretty easy to set an authority vibe with women when you are a lot more sexually/romantically experienced than they are.
You don't rub their noses in it (or else it is too much). You just bait them into asking a bit about your romantic history and you allude to your experience. They get a bit wowed, a bit attracted, and BAM! You're positioned as an authority. You know way more about romance and sex than they or the guys in their social circle (who tend to be similarly inexperienced to them).
The key is just not being so raunchy or explicit about it that you make them feel too dissimilar from them. Basically the vibe you're going for is a sort of "I am like you, just with a few years more experience under my belt than you have."
Puts you firmly in the leadership role; the attraction is yours to lose.
found this video interesting on the mustache trend, again i am getting tons of success, with the stach, some girls think i am influencer lol..... I have been having TONS of what i call reality distortions as per op........ specially with the style, and the amount of attention i am getting (again my style now, you guys will see if i start posting videos (my motivation for videos is really low last couple of years), is very light beard on sides, full mustache looks like the pic (of course no long hair, talking about the beard), of course my style is on point with baggy, cropped boxy shirts and sumbas
At last... I have brought @Skills to the stache-side...
I might have to regrow a larger celebratory mustache again just to commemorate
