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Superlife

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As for your thread in general.
Try to make a babysteps.You need change your whole lifestyle and mindset,you cant change it quickly.
Dont do street approaches,you dont have a skillset for this,so go for stationary girls.
Groom yourself, take a good posture, make eye contact exersizes.
You can start with small chit-chats.Try it with personell(baristas,bartenders,waitresses,casshiers etc)Some basic shit-"Hi,how is your day going?" And watch for reaction. If your fundamentals are good and you are polite most interractions will be succesfull.
Dont drag yourself in long conversations,you just need some experience.
-Hi,how is your day going
-Im good blahhblah
-blahblah,ok it was nice to talk,gotta run
Soon you realize that starting conversation is no big deal,and if you dont like something you can just politely eject.
Plus if you live in small city you will soon gain reputation of cool,friendly guy.

When you get some experience you can do something more difficult.Go to a bar ,place yourself near woman and try some basic questions-"How is your night going?"Watch for the reaction(is she investing in conversation? is she gives you a signals? is she enthusiastic about interacting with you?)
If reaction is good-proceed,start asking personal questions.Then try to get contacts-"Hey you seems like an enteresting person,wanna get coffee sometime?
Use same pattern for streets
-find a girl
-place yourself somewhere near her
-initiate conversation,ask personal questions
-get contacts
Well I have been chatting up store workers for several months consistently and I think I do it pretty well for the most part. Part of my problem was getting lost in Pick Up artist stuff some years back then took me away from my usual social skills (trying too hard to be the cool guy or whatever, negging too hard, etc). I did the "say hello to six girls" newbie assignment that's from here yesterday and.. it was .. ok. Next up is to ask how your day is going so.. yeah we'll see how that goes. LOL. I get iois consistently but I think at least some of the time that's them wanting attention as I frequently come off rather aloof (say while passing then in a store but also if she's a young hottie working a checkout)..Thanks for the advice man
 
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I get iois consistently but I think at least some of the time that's them wanting attention as I frequently come off rather aloof (say while passing then in a store but also if she's a young hottie working a checkout).
That's interesting. I just had a smiliar experience. Entering a shop were there are some young female clerks working. Usually I go in smiling and trying to be nice, and they treat me rather aloof. Today I decided I'm gonna be the aloof one. And the girl that attended me actually gave me a more interested look than usual. Not a full on IOI, I wouldn't say, but I still noticed a difference.
 

Superlife

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You say this, but what I hear is “I hold dear to me many shitty people, and they fuck with my self-esteem by framing me as anti-social. Small price to pay to be around assholes all the time.”

I would recommend shutting out all contact with anyone who treats you like shit, and then going with Will_V’s point #2 (his whole post is 🔥).



You will always miss approaches now and then. I only count my failures when I’m out specifically to approach. You can’t fault yourself for staying “on-mission” when on an errand.

In your position, I’d forgive myself for having “a lot of off-days,” and then just go out with the intention of “getting lucky and actually approaching a girl.”

You can’t expect yourself to approach unless everything lines up perfectly.

Do some people approach in every circumstance? Sure. But I don’t press myself to be that guy—I just want to maximize the number of times I take action when presented with ideal circumstances.



You’re getting a lot of looks because of your self-imposed sexual repression. Your “shyness” gives you a “byronic flaw”-“edge” that obtains you approach invitations.

Just don’t open too shyly, women may not hear you.

But, as Zoro said, even that can work.

If you’re out, you “want” to approach, but ideal circumstances are not presenting themselves:

You just have to lower your standard a little bit, “assume what you can’t see about this girl is absolutely amazing,” because the amount of time the universe gives you to formulate your approach is not enough time to develop a crush on her.

I want to specifically extol this phrasing. This is exactly how it works, there is a mechanism already in your brain that gets you in front of a girl and talking to her, and you just need to figure out what “does it” for that mechanism. Inner game (meditation; mindset)? Outer game (fashion; your walk)? Milfs? Big asses? Slutty clothes? Fancy clothes? Boy clothes? Girly behavior? Two-sets? Barely-legal girls?

Don’t use these as search terms—I’m talking gauging your reactions when encountering them in real life.

what I hear is “I hold dear to me many shitty people, and they fuck with my self-esteem by framing me as anti-social. Small price to pay to be around assholes all the time.”

I would recommend shutting out all contact with anyone who treats you like shit, and then going with Will_V’s point #2 (his whole post is 🔥).

Yes I have family who seem to feel they're too cool and colleagues who like to communicate with non-stop double messages, when you read between the lines, "OH yeah I did what you did when I first started out and I did it so much better." "I'm only your colleague but let me act like your boss". "You don't know how to do that? Yeah could help but.. nah". I rarely see my extended family but when I have I made no effort to approach. As for old friends.. well it was either let me flounder or play a part in getting in my way. I know there's only so much others can do, but fuck I was not good mentally and they were nowhere to be found. We're no longer in touch. Which on one level sucks cause that means I got no social circle.


You can’t expect yourself to approach unless everything lines up perfectly.

Get what you're saying but it's pretty infrequent when I throw sevens and yeah even when I get longing looks by a solitary hot babe or whatever I have not pulled the trigger. But yes I need to work up to those less than perfect approaches. I mean, I'll still have to find her attractive of course :).. It pissed off one former friend I wouldn't approach less than what I considered attractive (approach her for him really) that he tried to physically intimidate me. (although it was probably at least a few occasions over a few years where I could have hit on some chick and I refused that got him riled up but...yeah we're not in touch anymore).

You’re getting a lot of looks because of your self-imposed sexual repression. Your “shyness” gives you a “byronic flaw”-“edge” that obtains you approach invitations.

Just don’t open too shyly, women may not hear you.
I bet that's true but I also have worked hard to have good body language in several ways and over several years. I think I might be able to run my own course on it tbh. But faking it to you make it hasn't worked enough to filter into my other communication enough I don't think.

there is a mechanism already in your brain that gets you in front of a girl and talking to her, and you just need to figure out what “does it” for that mechanism

Very much like the sound of this. I'm doing better at living with gratitude but having the mechanism you speak of would be several next levels. Part of what's been getting in my way is I've questioned things that gave an internal boost before I got married, things I've decided are no longer true or never were. I've been trying to rebuild my house if you will but maybe there's no need to go to such lengths (yes good self esteem is important but..) Just a simple switch? Will explore - thanks!
 

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That's interesting. I just had a smiliar experience. Entering a shop were there are some young female clerks working. Usually I go in smiling and trying to be nice, and they treat me rather aloof. Today I decided I'm gonna be the aloof one. And the girl that attended me actually gave me a more interested look than usual. Not a full on IOI, I wouldn't say, but I still noticed a difference.
I'm reading Atomic Attraction and it mentions that men who often have more mysterious and brooding expressions than smiles are typically found more attractive. Something to tinker with..
 

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it's pretty infrequent when I throw sevens
Then you only infrequently need to beat yourself up 😉


Part of what's been getting in my way is I've questioned things that gave an internal boost before I got married, things I've decided are no longer true or never were. I've been trying to rebuild my house if you will
The mental state you wrote this post in is one of “measured clarity.” Simply in this state, of typing “I’ve been trying to rebuild my house if you will,” you can go out approaching in this state.

If you go to the mall with the phrase “I’ve been trying to rebuild my house” on the front of your brain (in the same sense you meant it in when you typed it), you’ll have gone to the lengths. You’ll be able to approach.
 

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Then you only infrequently need to beat yourself up 😉



The mental state you wrote this post in is one of “measured clarity.” Simply in this state, of typing “I’ve been trying to rebuild my house if you will,” you can go out approaching in this state.

If you go to the mall with the phrase “I’ve been trying to rebuild my house” on the front of your brain (in the same sense you meant it in when you typed it), you’ll have gone to the lengths. You’ll be able to approach.
Hmm. Are you dropping some hypnotic suggestion lol? I'm not getting you on that one..
 
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You’re seeking clarity, but you’ve summed up where you stand in your journey towards clarity very well just now, by saying “I’m trying to rebuild my house.”

You can use that (accurate summation of where you stand in your journey of seeking clarity) as a functioning substitute for the clarity that you think you need to have in order to make an approach.

I’m not saying you’ll become a “point-and-shoot” god; I’m not even saying your approaches will go well. I’m saying you may be able to do an approach if you have that frame, “I’m trying to rebuild my house,” in the front of your mind.

I’m actually not even saying “you may;” I’m saying “if you do it right, you will be able to approach,” because nothing about my recommendation is self-defeating, and therefore if you want my recommendation to work, you will be able to make it work.

I hope you take these statements in good faith.
 

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I am taking everything by yourself and all here in the spirit in which it is intended - in good faith and I appreciate it brother.
I just wasn't understanding your last tip, how it would work really, and I like to poke a little bit of fun sometimes.

I get you now, and thank you, I will definitely give this a go next time I'm out.
 

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I've looked into Complex post traumatic syndrome. Think this might be it. Not sure though. I've had counsellors over the years but obviously the progress has not been anywhere it should be. Not sure who to talk to.
I'm quite restricted in activities mainly because of my job [...]
I actually realize now that one cold approach experience probably had a serious consequence on my life and this is probably in the back of my subconscious. Someone from work somehow knew what I was up to when I was at a mall this one time where I actually did manage a couple of attempts (neither successfully) and it got around, smearing my rep and probably kept me from working with some important people
There are a number of roadblocks that make it very difficult to push forward and I was hoping to pick your brain a little more as I see you're posting about a similar vein. I am still in a small city.
Obstacles include
- an elderly relative I'm not comfortable moving away from
-a reputation by many as being anti-social (yeah I can be, but feel those being snubbed deserved it.. but.. double edged sword for my non existent social circle)
-a job that is fairly notable and thus I feel I have to be careful in the public eye. I also find it hard to believe I can trust anyone here to be a good wing. Partly because I'm in a small city and my job and partly because I've been screwed over by past friends
Hi @Superlife ! I'm quite new here, although I've been following GC since 2014. I've LTR experience but not a lot of approach experience. Reading your post, I've a few ideas that come to mind. I'm laying them out here. They are mostly generic psychological ideas, not related to approach itself.

In your previous comments, quoted here, it seems that you have a lot of negative experiences and blocking points, related to your ex wife, ex friends, previous approaches, job colleagues, previous reputation, current work reputation. There seems to be a lot going on with you. I'd definitely recommend seeing a therapist. It seems important to talk about all of these problems, bring them into your conscious mind, and work on them. Not sweeping them under the carpet. It seems the approach itself is not the problem here, but rather the sum of all these negative past experiences. Is there a common pattern or problem behind all these experiences? A therapist could help. You mentioned a "counsellor". I'm not from US so I'm not sure what a counsellor is. I'd definitely go for a serious psychological therapy.

On the game or approach side, others can help more maybe, but it looks like you are having some moral or reputation problems. Approaching girls is not immoral. Harassing girls is. Being a "bad boy" is not immoral, unless you are actually harming people or going openly against the law. Reading your posts, there seems to be a bit of confusion between these.

A last comment: you mentioned older colleagues once called you out on you approaching, or it could impact your reputation. As just said, approaching is not immoral or wrong, quite the opposite: it's a normal human behaviour and women like it, when done right. I see two possible causes here: either you are looking like a creep, and I think there are some articles and videos in GC on how to not be a creep, or these people calling you out where actually jealous or in auto-rejection! Was it a female (jealous, auto-rejection, interested in you)? Or male (jealous, potential competitor in work, etc)? These can also be talked and worked in a therapy!

Good luck, and I should go on working on approaching myself this year...
 

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Hi @Superlife ! I'm quite new here, although I've been following GC since 2014. I've LTR experience but not a lot of approach experience. Reading your post, I've a few ideas that come to mind. I'm laying them out here. They are mostly generic psychological ideas, not related to approach itself.

In your previous comments, quoted here, it seems that you have a lot of negative experiences and blocking points, related to your ex wife, ex friends, previous approaches, job colleagues, previous reputation, current work reputation. There seems to be a lot going on with you. I'd definitely recommend seeing a therapist. It seems important to talk about all of these problems, bring them into your conscious mind, and work on them. Not sweeping them under the carpet. It seems the approach itself is not the problem here, but rather the sum of all these negative past experiences. Is there a common pattern or problem behind all these experiences? A therapist could help. You mentioned a "counsellor". I'm not from US so I'm not sure what a counsellor is. I'd definitely go for a serious psychological therapy.

On the game or approach side, others can help more maybe, but it looks like you are having some moral or reputation problems. Approaching girls is not immoral. Harassing girls is. Being a "bad boy" is not immoral, unless you are actually harming people or going openly against the law. Reading your posts, there seems to be a bit of confusion between these.

A last comment: you mentioned older colleagues once called you out on you approaching, or it could impact your reputation. As just said, approaching is not immoral or wrong, quite the opposite: it's a normal human behaviour and women like it, when done right. I see two possible causes here: either you are looking like a creep, and I think there are some articles and videos in GC on how to not be a creep, or these people calling you out where actually jealous or in auto-rejection! Was it a female (jealous, auto-rejection, interested in you)? Or male (jealous, potential competitor in work, etc)? These can also be talked and worked in a therapy!

Good luck, and I should go on working on approaching myself this year...

There seems to be a lot going on with you.


Yeah you definitely distilled that down to a truth.
I'd definitely recommend seeing a therapist.

I was expecting this idea to come up when I started posting again - not to say you're wrong because I don't believe you are. At the risk of sounding like I'm whining, one of the past negatives in my craw is the time a past therapist (counsellor.. basically the same thing) got visibly angry when I was discussing how I dealt or was dealing with my separation. I was in therapy before with a few different professionals and that totally threw me, and did the opposite of helping me deal with the situation.

I saw another therapist after that and while it was fine in the sense of talking to someone didn't really do anything to help. I was trying to boost myself up and get help to make new friends and that didn't happen (go to the same place and talk to people was the only advice I recall). I don't want to go through another waste of time, but having said that I have looked recently at local psychiatrist/therapist listings. Hard to choose though, even with descriptions of practices. But yeah if it can help then.. and like you say with all the shit that's happened over several (and I haven't even gone into some of the biggies) probably need it LOL .. so.. have to take another look.

, approaching is not immoral or wrong

We both think that. But there are some who would disagree I think. Especially in terms of me hitting on say, an 18 year old. There is a stigma associated with it, and I believe it makes someone like me anyway look, in pickup terms, low value. My work has an outline that talks about behavior and if you're in doubt about what you're doing you probably shouldn't .

I see how being a stud can be seen as a positive - good for attraction of course - but I think there are factors that have to line up correctly. Also my ex wife was over a decade younger and I do think some write me off as a person because I "exploited" her. But yeah there's a lesson here that I probably give a fuck too much about what some think.

Thanks for your input DArtagnan! Good luck with your approaching and don't let my views dissuade you!
 
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