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Disclaimer.- These are my personal observations, and i am pretty neutral, i like to do this once a year, because you got laid doing something is not the norm does not mean shit!... For example a 49 year old pulling women in the clubs is not the norm... So i don't go around projecting my own results this is actual reporting/journalism. But of course from my own personal view on the field, wings, friends, students, girls...
2022 was promising, wayyyyyy better than the pathetic corona dominated 2020 and the meh 2021, 2022 was actually promising for a change, Though the consistency of women coming out was not as good as pre-corona, they were out more than 2021 and of course dah more than 2020 which was plague by corona.... 2023 I will call it the bipolar mix with cringe year...... Why? cause the first half of the year was promising women coming out, physical game back, everyone getting laid left and right (as you noticed in the lay reports the first half of the year, to then drop in the second half of the year) and the clothing style trends went to cringe central...
Some of the good:
- The seduction community is back to the origins but also more of a community than ever before when it comes to the forum... Last year we had 0 to no drama in the forum, no tribalism, no forum gangs, no flame wars, NO POSTURING, i wonder why? (which i regret cause my crew did better than anybody else this year, i would have loved to posture, fuck my life), .... We were pretty much united.... I will tell you "i told you so" cause we would have not lost a lot of people if this was done much earlier, but anyways.... I attribute this 100% to new moderators that know how be respectful and de-escalate situations vs being disrespectful and escalating situations like we had in the past... I also attribute to toxic tribal elders that were banned, we all know who they are... And yes i fucked up big time we mist, 100% accountable, but it was a total misunderstanding, i kissed his ass and did a suction job in pm better than Monica Lewinsky, but he did not bite though, he forgave me, p.s. mist stop with the asd and come back...
- Following the above the red pill community and black pill community they took a big hit.... There was in fighting in the red pill and black pill/incel community, tons got kicked out of youtube.... A lot got arrested (tate)... A lot got de-platform (tate/fresh and fit and a lot others)... And some got exposed as frauds (donavan sharp)... I just mentioned some but this happened all over the place... While i did not see much community beef...Though i have not seen any seduction videos tbh in last couple years.
- following the above chase came out with a brilliant idea of chase tv as an alternative to youtube censorship of seduction... (I have chase tv aa but i have made a bunch of videos already, hope you guys support chase tv.)
- After almost 10 years of me screaming and fighting everyone about text to meet.... Most seducers abandoned it, getting into a more structure style of texting using more flirt/seduction, banter, soft closes, objection handling and strategy vs text to meet. This is actually now the norm vs the text to meet which is a small minority now. So i will take a bit of credit but also i will give a bit of credit to pwf and his popularity.
- Women do continue to come out naked at the gym and clubs when it comes to dresses, shorts, leggings and showing cleavage or no bra or see through clothing.... (there is a cont. to their style i will address later on the CONS...(again bipolar with style too)
-- the fitness trend continues specially in USA were most women since young age, getting in shape and actually lifting, tons of breast and booties surgeries, and the technology as i said improving so it looks real and well done in the majority were you could not even tell.... I banged a blonde that had fake books (i hate fake boobs, but i had no idea they were fake till i did some type of weird complement in which i was trying to say how nice the boobs were they had to cost a lot in plastic surgery, fuck my life, i was expecting to say "no they are actually real" but they were fake as she confessed....This has not changed from 2021 and again the plastic surgery advancement getting better and better....
-- Physical game and even to some extend dance floor game are 1000% back, More physicality, more people making out at clubs, more pulls when women out... Physical game is back, last year 2021 coming back, 2022 almost 100% back, 2023 was 1000% back, the used of second gen was pretty much none existent last year for most people even in lay reports gone....same with dance floor game back....
- I saw a drop in women tats (for me this is very good) and for guys for that matter...
- More liberal positive views about sex, multiple partners, relationship set ups etc... (i wonder if this is why second gen. drop in use for seduction)
- gen z is actually more friendly and social but in the bad in a few minutes, you will see the problem...(bipolarity)
Some of the bad:
- The pua industry is officially DEAD, other than this forum that i know of or private groups.... I did see an influx of weird newer guys that sound like incels and trolls... I also did not like lay reports of fatties and online (no really seduction and if you going to post online post the text logs at least), and lazy lay reports were there was nothing to be learned and incoherent. I also was not a big fan of the what if this happens in the future posts...
- the new styles are cringe (but i say the same when slim and skinny jean came out).... Let me explain slim and skinny jeans are OUT... The thing is it has not hit the mainstream yet, women though, know this, but they are not going to tell you "dude slim and skinny jeans are out"... The new style is Baggy jeans, wide leg, loose fit, and regular... AS i was buying my baggy jeans i had a come to jesus moment "what the fuck i am doing, is this what my life is comming to?" true story, but it is what is.... No only that gay, androgenistic, unisex style is in.... Beards out, no facial hair in or the Pedofile mustache in (i blame @Chase amante on that trend, j/k but could not help myself).... So the hairstyles in i call it the mushroom/lama/messy, hairstyle but is a lot of hair at the top and the beatles band looking type hair styles, also mullet still in, jesus!.... More on the style at the gym the shorts, showing socks and the socks showing in general... The car key showing in one of the belt pant bucket in looking like a valet parking attendant... Tucking in the shirt in.... Is like we are going to the pre-skinny jeans era mix with 70s weird as fuck.... With the women the baggy and some of the clothes hidding their curves, more boyish type look (i don't like it), thankfully is more when wearing pants and no skirts or shorts...The new tat trend is PATCH tatoos which i find them cringe, is a bunch of tattoos all over the place separated....
- The economy is shit, inflation up the ass, people can not afford, houses or rents, cars prices went high as fuck... People got housing increases, food increases, cost of living increases, this is my opinion on why the second half of 2023 went to total shit with the inconsistencies of women coming out....Some of the tech guys losing jobs due to ais... clubs and bars cont. to close down it is very sad and clientele decline... Tourist sharp decline aka gone (i wonder if due to economy). This is why i believe is the cause of the bipolar year women just no consistently coming out like the first half of the year to nightlife.
- Sugar daddy, salt daddy, prostitution increase or some type of qui pro quo for sex in the rise.... I blame the above ^
- I am not going to even edit this from previous posts years, is actually getting worst....-Following the above since the sexual market place is total shit, most guys are not getting the same level of reference experiences with women, sexual experience, real live women understanding and relationships that we got to enjoy in a bit more favorable market place. This works in our favor since the guys good with women had 1000s of successful reference field experience, relationship, women dynamics etc... this translate in the seduction which is not fair at all to other dudes that even if they try won't be able to compete. This apply to most in the seduction community as well...
- Cold approach is a dying breed... Most guys that i even know were good at it doing more insta and online.
- In this market place the mating market is becoming crazy, you need to have fundamentals, know how to do a to z aspects of seduction, from opening to close almost flawlessly which is again a problem with guys that even though they are trying, learning, grinding, they are not getting those many dick in pussy experiences over than over that help developing into an actual gamer... This mating process was not like this back in the days even if you approach you could have a shot of success with women just by the natural mating process (i know this sounds like mental masturbation but I knew a lot of guys that did not know what they were doing with girlfriends now a days, good luck with this)....
- competition cont. to be none existent for seducers, is actually easier for us to compete.
- lots of guys checking out the game with girfriends.
- community is now lacking innovation or new ways, a bit staganant...
- Youtube and facebook are now boomer apps. Z gen does not use either one, more tiktok and insta.
- higher % of socially awkard girls
- Girls more likely to use find my friends app. (so you are fucked, fbi work)
-girls will take pictures and try to post on insta, be real, snapchat and get weird if you don't agree...
- girls super sensitive to perceived rejection, don't understand sarcasm, breaking rapport and even teasing may backfire with college crowd. For example back in the day when girls went for make out i would pull back, tease and then pull showing i can kiss, or make out in a sensual way vs sloppy make out after making it work for it.... z gen may autoreject automatically if you do things like this, you need to actually make out.... Weird! but i confirm is not only me happening to a lot of my seducers friends...
The solutions are not different from previous years is the same only the fundamental one is the change, and i will give you forum samples:
Here are some solutions (remind the same though i would increase or try a bit apps and night game in your inventory):
- Keep grinding is my solution number 1 you can still get laid and a lot, but you need to be consistent, find a day or 2 preferably no less than 2 to CONSTANTLY SARGE, the excuse of work, running biz etc... is just excuses i am sure you can find some type to consistent sarge i have done and cont. doing it for more than 20 years... (again getting rid of drugs and alcohol help with this)
- Cross game and when you cross game, cross game on the cross game (sounds like a rap).- You need preferably to combine all games, an ideal situation in my opinion is going about your day day game, online/apps when you are in the toilet or waiting in line, night game once or twice a week. But lets say you day game you need to constantly go to different malls or parks or ____ fill in the blank to see how target rich they are... On online/apps at least 4 apps, online is not tinder for fuck sake, tinder is actually in my opinion the worst. IN night game as i have been saying minimum, specially now 3 venues, close to each other walking distance, go out different nights to see the best night aka women actually coming out in your city. @TomInHo and @DoWhatWorks
- If you don't have a follow up method (for me texting) good luck getting laid all the time with ons, ons are becoming harder and harder, dtf not coming out as much as back in the days....
- move out of usa to a more fucking normal sexual market place. @Skjöldr went to Poland and was getting laid via day game cold approach like Steve Jabba in his prime mix with Evil stiffler in his prime... He would go out day game pull and then go out again and pull like a maniac.... Went back his results drop drastically... @MarioTheDom same all over the world and his 39...
- move from a major city for example Miami, to a more favorable sexual market place for example WEst palm (hotter women than Miami and Broward, less competition). In other words move from a major city Miami, to a second or 3 type city (palm beach in my case 3rd type city in south Florida)... This may have also draw backs cause less quantity but more quality, but less male competition. ( I am not competin with professional sports players for example).
- move to a college town, the con is that when school is out, you will not get supply of young women...
- Lock in a girl/girls even if an ok girl vs personal 10 keep her or help her with fixer upper game. While you improve and hunt (i already explain how to do both in different articles, so you monkey branch, reverse hypergamy). This is hard to do though without the experience.
- improve logistic live walking distance from clubs/day game etc...or get a ban like jeffy shit
- This is a GEM I DISCOVERED.- For some reason Latin type clubs have not been affected as much by the trends. IN Latin clubs (i don't really like them but) it seems they are stuck in 2010, lol, in other words women are out there, you can find dtfs, etc... it seems latin only clubs, have not change and gotten better cause of the popularity or reggatton which promotes sexual escalation and lack of courtship the 2 problems i always had with latin clubs... This is something i will explore more since that was never my target club, but i seen this. Edit from 2021.- again night game slowly coming back even non latin)
- I can't believe i am going to advice this but, clubs that allow under 21 with wrist bands, again in those clubs stuck in 2010, i assume cause since they are letting under 21 in you have decent ratios.
- PRE-DOING ONLINE, this is something that one of the best guys in this forum doing online taught me(this is verifiable by me).... please do this if not you will be wasting your time.... Go to Photofeeler, AGAIN GO TO PHOTOFEELER... put the settting for the women of your target audience only lets say 18-34, can only vote, we don't give a shit about dudes voting... Unless you get 8 or above on your pics, YOU WILL NOT UPLOAD ON TINDER ETC... This is the way around shadow banned.... If you already have a tinder, do this and get a new cheap phone or account, so you don't get shadow banned.... What is shadow banned when the syster thinks you are a 5 and just show you 5s and below women or no women or matches.... Again apps is not tinder, minimum 4, tinder, hinge, bumble, and pic another one such as fetlife, coffee met bagels, okkupid/pof (if you are older gen z)...
- Fundamentals have to be on point all the time is saddens me that in clubs i dress better and even in the seduction community of dudes less than half my age...- Try to go out of comfort zone with fundamentals.... Trust me, i just bought baggy jeans and i am cringing, after spending thousands of dollars on slim jeans and tailoring... And also it saddens me that guys don't update to current styles of clothing... How pathetic it is that even most seducers, don't fucking know how to dress, jesus christ!
- Avoid social media and social media type seduction.
Anyways guys you can share or disagree or whatever, i am always open to discussion...
I also posted some picture's on what i am talking about...^ for context in here:
patch tatoo:
2022 was promising, wayyyyyy better than the pathetic corona dominated 2020 and the meh 2021, 2022 was actually promising for a change, Though the consistency of women coming out was not as good as pre-corona, they were out more than 2021 and of course dah more than 2020 which was plague by corona.... 2023 I will call it the bipolar mix with cringe year...... Why? cause the first half of the year was promising women coming out, physical game back, everyone getting laid left and right (as you noticed in the lay reports the first half of the year, to then drop in the second half of the year) and the clothing style trends went to cringe central...
Some of the good:
- The seduction community is back to the origins but also more of a community than ever before when it comes to the forum... Last year we had 0 to no drama in the forum, no tribalism, no forum gangs, no flame wars, NO POSTURING, i wonder why? (which i regret cause my crew did better than anybody else this year, i would have loved to posture, fuck my life), .... We were pretty much united.... I will tell you "i told you so" cause we would have not lost a lot of people if this was done much earlier, but anyways.... I attribute this 100% to new moderators that know how be respectful and de-escalate situations vs being disrespectful and escalating situations like we had in the past... I also attribute to toxic tribal elders that were banned, we all know who they are... And yes i fucked up big time we mist, 100% accountable, but it was a total misunderstanding, i kissed his ass and did a suction job in pm better than Monica Lewinsky, but he did not bite though, he forgave me, p.s. mist stop with the asd and come back...
- Following the above the red pill community and black pill community they took a big hit.... There was in fighting in the red pill and black pill/incel community, tons got kicked out of youtube.... A lot got arrested (tate)... A lot got de-platform (tate/fresh and fit and a lot others)... And some got exposed as frauds (donavan sharp)... I just mentioned some but this happened all over the place... While i did not see much community beef...Though i have not seen any seduction videos tbh in last couple years.
- following the above chase came out with a brilliant idea of chase tv as an alternative to youtube censorship of seduction... (I have chase tv aa but i have made a bunch of videos already, hope you guys support chase tv.)
- After almost 10 years of me screaming and fighting everyone about text to meet.... Most seducers abandoned it, getting into a more structure style of texting using more flirt/seduction, banter, soft closes, objection handling and strategy vs text to meet. This is actually now the norm vs the text to meet which is a small minority now. So i will take a bit of credit but also i will give a bit of credit to pwf and his popularity.
- Women do continue to come out naked at the gym and clubs when it comes to dresses, shorts, leggings and showing cleavage or no bra or see through clothing.... (there is a cont. to their style i will address later on the CONS...(again bipolar with style too)
-- the fitness trend continues specially in USA were most women since young age, getting in shape and actually lifting, tons of breast and booties surgeries, and the technology as i said improving so it looks real and well done in the majority were you could not even tell.... I banged a blonde that had fake books (i hate fake boobs, but i had no idea they were fake till i did some type of weird complement in which i was trying to say how nice the boobs were they had to cost a lot in plastic surgery, fuck my life, i was expecting to say "no they are actually real" but they were fake as she confessed....This has not changed from 2021 and again the plastic surgery advancement getting better and better....
-- Physical game and even to some extend dance floor game are 1000% back, More physicality, more people making out at clubs, more pulls when women out... Physical game is back, last year 2021 coming back, 2022 almost 100% back, 2023 was 1000% back, the used of second gen was pretty much none existent last year for most people even in lay reports gone....same with dance floor game back....
- I saw a drop in women tats (for me this is very good) and for guys for that matter...
- More liberal positive views about sex, multiple partners, relationship set ups etc... (i wonder if this is why second gen. drop in use for seduction)
- gen z is actually more friendly and social but in the bad in a few minutes, you will see the problem...(bipolarity)
Some of the bad:
- The pua industry is officially DEAD, other than this forum that i know of or private groups.... I did see an influx of weird newer guys that sound like incels and trolls... I also did not like lay reports of fatties and online (no really seduction and if you going to post online post the text logs at least), and lazy lay reports were there was nothing to be learned and incoherent. I also was not a big fan of the what if this happens in the future posts...
- the new styles are cringe (but i say the same when slim and skinny jean came out).... Let me explain slim and skinny jeans are OUT... The thing is it has not hit the mainstream yet, women though, know this, but they are not going to tell you "dude slim and skinny jeans are out"... The new style is Baggy jeans, wide leg, loose fit, and regular... AS i was buying my baggy jeans i had a come to jesus moment "what the fuck i am doing, is this what my life is comming to?" true story, but it is what is.... No only that gay, androgenistic, unisex style is in.... Beards out, no facial hair in or the Pedofile mustache in (i blame @Chase amante on that trend, j/k but could not help myself).... So the hairstyles in i call it the mushroom/lama/messy, hairstyle but is a lot of hair at the top and the beatles band looking type hair styles, also mullet still in, jesus!.... More on the style at the gym the shorts, showing socks and the socks showing in general... The car key showing in one of the belt pant bucket in looking like a valet parking attendant... Tucking in the shirt in.... Is like we are going to the pre-skinny jeans era mix with 70s weird as fuck.... With the women the baggy and some of the clothes hidding their curves, more boyish type look (i don't like it), thankfully is more when wearing pants and no skirts or shorts...The new tat trend is PATCH tatoos which i find them cringe, is a bunch of tattoos all over the place separated....
- The economy is shit, inflation up the ass, people can not afford, houses or rents, cars prices went high as fuck... People got housing increases, food increases, cost of living increases, this is my opinion on why the second half of 2023 went to total shit with the inconsistencies of women coming out....Some of the tech guys losing jobs due to ais... clubs and bars cont. to close down it is very sad and clientele decline... Tourist sharp decline aka gone (i wonder if due to economy). This is why i believe is the cause of the bipolar year women just no consistently coming out like the first half of the year to nightlife.
- Sugar daddy, salt daddy, prostitution increase or some type of qui pro quo for sex in the rise.... I blame the above ^
- I am not going to even edit this from previous posts years, is actually getting worst....-Following the above since the sexual market place is total shit, most guys are not getting the same level of reference experiences with women, sexual experience, real live women understanding and relationships that we got to enjoy in a bit more favorable market place. This works in our favor since the guys good with women had 1000s of successful reference field experience, relationship, women dynamics etc... this translate in the seduction which is not fair at all to other dudes that even if they try won't be able to compete. This apply to most in the seduction community as well...
- Cold approach is a dying breed... Most guys that i even know were good at it doing more insta and online.
- In this market place the mating market is becoming crazy, you need to have fundamentals, know how to do a to z aspects of seduction, from opening to close almost flawlessly which is again a problem with guys that even though they are trying, learning, grinding, they are not getting those many dick in pussy experiences over than over that help developing into an actual gamer... This mating process was not like this back in the days even if you approach you could have a shot of success with women just by the natural mating process (i know this sounds like mental masturbation but I knew a lot of guys that did not know what they were doing with girlfriends now a days, good luck with this)....
- competition cont. to be none existent for seducers, is actually easier for us to compete.
- lots of guys checking out the game with girfriends.
- community is now lacking innovation or new ways, a bit staganant...
- Youtube and facebook are now boomer apps. Z gen does not use either one, more tiktok and insta.
- higher % of socially awkard girls
- Girls more likely to use find my friends app. (so you are fucked, fbi work)
-girls will take pictures and try to post on insta, be real, snapchat and get weird if you don't agree...
- girls super sensitive to perceived rejection, don't understand sarcasm, breaking rapport and even teasing may backfire with college crowd. For example back in the day when girls went for make out i would pull back, tease and then pull showing i can kiss, or make out in a sensual way vs sloppy make out after making it work for it.... z gen may autoreject automatically if you do things like this, you need to actually make out.... Weird! but i confirm is not only me happening to a lot of my seducers friends...
The solutions are not different from previous years is the same only the fundamental one is the change, and i will give you forum samples:
Here are some solutions (remind the same though i would increase or try a bit apps and night game in your inventory):
- Keep grinding is my solution number 1 you can still get laid and a lot, but you need to be consistent, find a day or 2 preferably no less than 2 to CONSTANTLY SARGE, the excuse of work, running biz etc... is just excuses i am sure you can find some type to consistent sarge i have done and cont. doing it for more than 20 years... (again getting rid of drugs and alcohol help with this)
- Cross game and when you cross game, cross game on the cross game (sounds like a rap).- You need preferably to combine all games, an ideal situation in my opinion is going about your day day game, online/apps when you are in the toilet or waiting in line, night game once or twice a week. But lets say you day game you need to constantly go to different malls or parks or ____ fill in the blank to see how target rich they are... On online/apps at least 4 apps, online is not tinder for fuck sake, tinder is actually in my opinion the worst. IN night game as i have been saying minimum, specially now 3 venues, close to each other walking distance, go out different nights to see the best night aka women actually coming out in your city. @TomInHo and @DoWhatWorks
- If you don't have a follow up method (for me texting) good luck getting laid all the time with ons, ons are becoming harder and harder, dtf not coming out as much as back in the days....
- move out of usa to a more fucking normal sexual market place. @Skjöldr went to Poland and was getting laid via day game cold approach like Steve Jabba in his prime mix with Evil stiffler in his prime... He would go out day game pull and then go out again and pull like a maniac.... Went back his results drop drastically... @MarioTheDom same all over the world and his 39...
- move from a major city for example Miami, to a more favorable sexual market place for example WEst palm (hotter women than Miami and Broward, less competition). In other words move from a major city Miami, to a second or 3 type city (palm beach in my case 3rd type city in south Florida)... This may have also draw backs cause less quantity but more quality, but less male competition. ( I am not competin with professional sports players for example).
- move to a college town, the con is that when school is out, you will not get supply of young women...
- Lock in a girl/girls even if an ok girl vs personal 10 keep her or help her with fixer upper game. While you improve and hunt (i already explain how to do both in different articles, so you monkey branch, reverse hypergamy). This is hard to do though without the experience.
- improve logistic live walking distance from clubs/day game etc...or get a ban like jeffy shit
- This is a GEM I DISCOVERED.- For some reason Latin type clubs have not been affected as much by the trends. IN Latin clubs (i don't really like them but) it seems they are stuck in 2010, lol, in other words women are out there, you can find dtfs, etc... it seems latin only clubs, have not change and gotten better cause of the popularity or reggatton which promotes sexual escalation and lack of courtship the 2 problems i always had with latin clubs... This is something i will explore more since that was never my target club, but i seen this. Edit from 2021.- again night game slowly coming back even non latin)
- I can't believe i am going to advice this but, clubs that allow under 21 with wrist bands, again in those clubs stuck in 2010, i assume cause since they are letting under 21 in you have decent ratios.
- PRE-DOING ONLINE, this is something that one of the best guys in this forum doing online taught me(this is verifiable by me).... please do this if not you will be wasting your time.... Go to Photofeeler, AGAIN GO TO PHOTOFEELER... put the settting for the women of your target audience only lets say 18-34, can only vote, we don't give a shit about dudes voting... Unless you get 8 or above on your pics, YOU WILL NOT UPLOAD ON TINDER ETC... This is the way around shadow banned.... If you already have a tinder, do this and get a new cheap phone or account, so you don't get shadow banned.... What is shadow banned when the syster thinks you are a 5 and just show you 5s and below women or no women or matches.... Again apps is not tinder, minimum 4, tinder, hinge, bumble, and pic another one such as fetlife, coffee met bagels, okkupid/pof (if you are older gen z)...
- Fundamentals have to be on point all the time is saddens me that in clubs i dress better and even in the seduction community of dudes less than half my age...- Try to go out of comfort zone with fundamentals.... Trust me, i just bought baggy jeans and i am cringing, after spending thousands of dollars on slim jeans and tailoring... And also it saddens me that guys don't update to current styles of clothing... How pathetic it is that even most seducers, don't fucking know how to dress, jesus christ!
- Avoid social media and social media type seduction.
Anyways guys you can share or disagree or whatever, i am always open to discussion...
I also posted some picture's on what i am talking about...^ for context in here:
patch tatoo:
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