Socializing My experience with my "rating dudes looks stage" and why is such a massive waste of time and inaccurate

[Skills]

So couple of years back some of you from other forums remember i went through a strong coping/looks maxing stage that drove everyone crazy specially and sad to say may have contribute for the destruction of the forum... Now that i look back as when i read guys that are going through similar stage (i believe a lot of players will unfortunately go through that stage), i started going to a lot to coping type forums like rip puahate, then lookism while at the same time looking back i knew other wise deep inside.... Anyways it was in that stage were the community was going into the good looking loser face about 4-5 years ago or so.... now so good came out of it, i did improve my fundamental (looks,style etc...) but it got me to start overcompensating, and a bit of insecurity...

For example in clubs i would start analyzing other guys and disqualifying myself, which we all know is the most retarded thing ever.

So with the women i was dating and girls on the side i had them analyze multiple supposedly "10" gurus such as good looking loser and the likes, to my surprise they did not find them attractive at all, i continue experimenting and teaching them like a retard about looks maxing and i took the opportunity to ask them all the time when we were out of watching tv or etc.... if they find guys attractive or not..... To my surprise must dudes that i found "attractive" they totally did not find "attractive" and most dudes that i found "unattractive" they found attractive... Finally i reach a point were i TOTALLY GAVE UP! Rating dudes....

The reason for this post is that last night i was competing with a young, tall, white in my opinion very attractive dude, nice clothing that i even wanted to imitate (no homo), and i am 45 lol, and i got the girl... first thing that came to mind was @naturalmikey and his obsession with rating looks, like i used to.... I am here to tell you, is just a total waste of time, because we are not homosexual or attracted to dudes, so there is not way of knowing the type of what the girl like.... I also encourage you to do what i did with girls, also compare guys that you think are good looking with you (i do this all the time with movies), and yes i tell them "nah you are looking to me with love or into me eyes is no real" and they go "no i am honest this guy for example is better looking than you i have no problem telling you the truth, but you are better looking than that guy"... I also saw the other day kinobody playing to peoples insecurity with none sense that women like guys at 7% body fat.... Guys by the way women do not have x ray at clubs to see your body fat, is just guys playing to dudes insecurities to make $$$ like gll was to play to a niche.... Yes the best version of you will get more girls than the ugly version of you, but it comes a point that you reach diminishing to no great results past certain point....

But yes, i constantly get "you look like a player" "you are hot"(which i know i am not, but hey i will take it)... But with my rambling is you never know what women like and are attracted to... I have seen many top gurus girls in chat and videos in person etc... (women i am not attracted to, that i had as fbs just because and they have as mains and think they are 10s, ) and vice versa we all have different tastes and different types.... some dudes are chubby chasers, some like asian, some like fitness girls, some like latin looking girls, some like blondes, some like black girls, some like really short girls, some like really tall girls.... The same is with women they like all type of different guys and looks plus that only buy what gunwitch call the social, you still need to emotional stimulate and get the sexual stimulation...

So in conclusion, go all in, ignore the guy in the mix set she is with looks, game like you have always gamed and if she does not like you, then move on, but do not blame it on the dude better than you cause you don't know that since you are not a homo....

 

[naturalmikey]

looksmaxing will do very little in clubs. having huge arms and being ripped does help, but very little. i mean your wearing a shirt. and your face is your face. women respond primarily to faces.

where having a great body helps a lot is at the beach (pool anywhere socially acceptable to be shirtless) and online.

i think looks matter most at the extremes in real life. for average to above average guys looks don’t matter much. your results are gonna come down to game. the better you look the more chicks will give you a foot in the door. but it’s not very important.

where looks really matter is if you’re ugly or really good looking. ugly guys have no chance. very good looking guys have it easy. but most don’t fall into those categories.

i agree comparing yourself to other guys in the club is not good. you should be focusing on what’s in your control at the moment. but when you’re not in the club hit the gym a few times a week. it does help. specifically being low body fat is what is most important. but big arms helps

actually gay men aren’t good at identifying what is aesthetic in the face. men don’t subconsciously break faces down the way women do. how many average to girls guys get a ton of gay attention. i’m a ten to gays. what makes a face attractive is brow and eye area, high cheek bones, straight medium size nose, compact mid face, a chin that extends as far as your brow, strong masculine jaw. women do pick up on this shit. look at jessica alba’s face. she has a weak chin. yet me. still find her attractive. men are horrible at identifying beauty. women can’t break it down. but they certainly subconsciously notice it.

 

[naturalmikey]

easy test to see how physically attractive you are. how often are chciks eyes open and looking at your face and body while you have sex. if a girl thinks your really hot she’s staring at you during sex. if she doesn’t her eyes are closed because she’s imaging someone else.

 

[Skills]

easy test to see how physically attractive you are. how often are chciks eyes open and looking at your face and body while you have sex. if a girl thinks your really hot she’s staring at you during sex. if she doesn’t her eyes are closed because she’s imaging someone else.

Total bs, lol! women close their eyes:

1.- when kissing, i as a man, kiss with my eyes close

2.- Cause they are enjoying and focusing in the moment.

I had women confess they thought about me while being with someone else not cause the dude was out of shape (actually one of the dudes in great shape) but because she still have feelings for me...

when you write like this is why people give you shit!

 

[naturalmikey]

Total bs, lol! women close their eyes:

1.- when kissing, i as a man, kiss with my eyes close

2.- Cause they are enjoying and focusing in the moment.

I had women confess they thought about me while being with someone else not cause the dude was out of shape (actually one of the dudes in great shape) but because she still have feelings for me...

when you write like this is why people give you shit!

if they close their eyes with you they just don’t think you’re that hot. sure they close their eyes some. any guy who had went from having a shitty body to being ripped knows how eye opening (pun intended) and experience it is. don’t believe me go fuck a girl who you’re way out of her league like she’s not used to a guy who looks like you. that bitches eyes will be open. lol. bitches are mad superficial. they really have no problem admitting it nowadays. the blue pill is dead.

again easily field tested. i know when i take my shirt off if a gir gets bambie eyes they’re gonna stay open a lot during sex. obviously ever girl will close her eyes some. i do too. but a good gauge for how good you look is how often she’s looking at you.

in the words of the incels “cope.”

@Oh Pry based on your self description i’d imagine you can verify that women will keep their eyes open a lot if they think your hot.

 

[Skills]

if they close their eyes with you they just don’t think you’re that hot. sure they close their eyes some. any guy who had went from having a shitty body to being ripped knows how eye opening (pun intended) and experience it is. don’t believe me go fuck a girl who you’re way out of her league like she’s not used to a guy who looks like you. that bitches eyes will be open. lol. bitches are mad superficial. they really have no problem admitting it nowadays. the blue pill is dead.

again easily field tested. i know when i take my shirt off if a gir gets bambie eyes they’re gonna stay open a lot during sex. obviously ever girl will close her eyes some. i do too. but a good gauge for how good you look is how often she’s looking at you.

in the words of the incels “cope.”

@Oh Pry based on your self description i’d imagine you can verify that women will keep their eyes open a lot if they think your hot.

When i write a post i am not personalizing about me, women that are with me, think i am the hottest dude in the world, re-read the post....

women close their eyes for multiple of reasons and there are many positions when women can not observe you.... You fail to understand women psycology and behavior and kj in many of your post...

You talk about women like a dude, women are not dudes.... You can just do a quick google search of why women close their eyes at some parts during sex for basic understanding which you lack is why posters here doubt your credibility and give you shit! and you have moronic advice such as get ripped... Get rich and the likes...

 

[naturalmikey]

When i write a post i am not personalizing about me, women that are with me, think i am the hottest dude in the world, re-read the post....

women close their eyes for multiple of reasons and there are many positions when women can not observe you.... You fail to understand women psycology and behavior and kj in many of your post...

You talk about women like a dude, women are not dudes.... You can just do a quick google search of why women close their eyes at some parts during sex for basic understanding which you lack is why posters here doubt your credibility and give you shit! and you have moronic advice such as get ripped... Get rich and the likes...

women are a lot more like dudes than they used to be. and young women specifically are very into looks. women are extremely superficial. look at the way they stunt on each other. go out and get yourself big arms and six pack and then tell me women don’t open their eyes more during sex. anyone who is ripped or has a really good face can confirm this.

i used to believe all the pua female psychology as the end all be all. but it only tells half the story. just because i don’t believe in pua dogma doesn’t mean i don’t understand female psychology. maybe there’s more to it than what you realize.

 

[Skills]

women are a lot more like dudes than they used to be. and young women specifically are very into looks. women are extremely superficial. look at the way they stunt on each other. go out and get yourself big arms and six pack and then tell me women don’t open their eyes more during sex. anyone who is ripped or has a really good face can confirm this.

this is call a strawman, i never said women are not into looks, i have a bunch blogs and videos saying so(fundamentals)... We are talking about closing the eyes during sex, i am saying that has nothing to do with being ripped, you are saying it does, and if they close their eyes your argument is that is because they are fantasizing about other dudes...

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills ill meet up with anyone who wants to. i’m on the west side of los angeles. i’m not saying the person i meet won’t be better than me but i’ll guarantee they won’t leave saying i’m a kj. it’s just ridiculous how you throw that around at people who disagree with you because i don’t subscribe to your antiquated way of thinking that explained human behavior before social media and online dating.

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills if their eyes are closed the majority of the time they’re damn sure not thinking about you. the more their eyes are open the hotter they think you are. if their eyes are open a lot but closed some they probably are not thinking about other guys. i’ll give you that. but if you’ve had sex with as many girls as you say their should be no argument that the way a girl looks at you during sex when she thinks you’re really hot is obvious. and i’m guessing you’ve often had the “he’ll do” experience where here eyes were closed the majority of the time. this shit isn’t rocket science.

 

[Skills]

@Skills if their eyes are closed the majority of the time they’re damn sure not thinking about you. the more their eyes are open the hotter they think you are. if their eyes are open a lot but closed some they probably are not thinking about other guys. i’ll give you that. but if you’ve had sex with as many girls as you say their should be no argument that the way a girl looks at you during sex when she thinks you’re really hot is obvious. and i’m guessing you’ve often had the “he’ll do” experience where here eyes were closed the majority of the time. this shit isn’t rocket science.

read the multiple reasons why women close their eyes during sex, again you are failing to understand women: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1zsmi7
^ those women answer matches my experience...

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills every time a woman closes her eyes it’s not to think about another man. but you can gauge how attractive she thinks you are by how often she keeps her eyes open during sex. don’t believe me? go fuck a fat girl. you think girls closed their eyes at all fucking brad pitt circa 1999? my guess is not very much.

i’ll spell it out. if a girl thinks your hot she’s going to be looking at you a lot during sex. if she doesn’t her eyes will be closed, maybe the entire time while she fantasizes about another guy. how often to women admit to this shit? the women on reddit probably are old enough to give blue pill answers. ask a bunch of 21 year old who don’t know society expects them to lie yet and see what kind of answers you get.

also, do you know what kind of women are on reddit lol? they’re not a bunch of hot chicks and they’re probably in their forties or older. doesn’t really relate to the type of girls guys who find pickup want.

 

[naturalmikey]

easy test to see how physically attractive you are. how often are chciks eyes open and looking at your face and body while you have sex. if a girl thinks your really hot she’s staring at you during sex. if she doesn’t her eyes are closed because she’s imaging someone else.

here you can read i say if she doesn’t stare at you she’s thinking about someone else. again you’re taking my words out of context. i never once said there aren’t other reasons she’ll close her eyes. it’s not black and white like that. i’m saying if her eyes are closed the whole time. i never said she had to stare at you the whole time either. again this stuff is not rocket science. no one wants to talk about it because they believe in their blue pill delusions. but sex is a great gauge of how physically attractive a woman thinks you are. emotional attraction is also very important. i’d say more important as far as getting her off. but it won’t make her stare at you. women’s imaginations are extremely powerful. if you can push her arousal triggers and know what you’re doing you can make her cum without her thinking your hot. but she’ll still be thinking about someone else. that someone she’s thinking about might not even know her body well enough to get her off himself ironically.

 

[Skills]

here you can read i say if she doesn’t stare at you she’s thinking about someone else. again you’re taking my words out of context. i never once said there aren’t other reasons she’ll close her eyes. it’s not black and white like that. i’m saying if her eyes are closed the whole time. i never said she had to stare at you the whole time either. again this stuff is not rocket science. no one wants to talk about it because they believe in their blue pill delusions. but sex is a great gauge of how physically attractive a woman thinks you are. emotional attraction is also very important. i’d say more important as far as getting her off. but it won’t make her stare at you. women’s imaginations are extremely powerful. if you can push her arousal triggers and know what you’re doing you can make her cum without her thinking your hot. but she’ll still be thinking about someone else. that someone she’s thinking about might not even know her body well enough to get her off himself ironically.

dude, why don't you text women you know and just ask: do you close your eyes during sex? yes or no.... And why? simple...

 

[naturalmikey]

i know my ideas don’t conform to a lot of people’s in the pickup community. and to you and some others that means i’m wrong. fine. i’ve tried your way of thinking and found it to be wrong. pua dogma provides a great foundation of understanding. but in my opinion it’s an overcorrect on to limiting beliefs people have for a reason. having a broader understanding has made me better. but to you i think differently so i must be a kj. maybe i just see the world differently than you based on the experiences that shaped my opinions. one of those experiences is having been shredded and also terribly out of shape.

 

[Skills]

i know my ideas don’t conform to a lot of people’s in the pickup community. and to you and some others that means i’m wrong. fine. i’ve tried your way of thinking and found it to be wrong. pua dogma provides a great foundation of understanding. but in my opinion it’s an overcorrect on to limiting beliefs people have for a reason. having a broader understanding has made me better. but to you i think differently so i must be a kj. maybe i just see the world differently than you based on the experiences that shaped my opinions. one of those experiences is having been shredded and also terribly out of shape.

i did not say you are kj, i said when you say that women close their eyes to think about other dudes, or because you are not ripped is kj (the subject)... I also recommended you text on your phone book, take max 5 minutes these 2 questions to the women you are seeing or the women you know:

1.- hey, quick question do you close your eyes during sex (i will even use this as opinion opener this weekend)

2.- why? simple

i don't give a shit about pua or puas dogma, i don't get along with most puas...

 

[naturalmikey]

one last thing. i’ll put myself up against a 6’3 jacked dude with a model face. i’ll try to be unreactive and frame his behavior as either try hard or nice guy. sometimes that guy will fall into my frame and i’ll defeat the amog chad lol. but if i don’t i’m not gonna cope by saying “oh i need to sharpen my game so next time i go into battle with the chad i’ll beat him because game trumps looks.” no because that’s nonsense. everyone with a brain that hasn’t break washed by pua horse shit knows that.

sometimes it’s not your game but factors outside of your control. if you don’t realize that you’ll start to correct something that’s not broken. because it wasn’t shitty game that lost the battle. you we’re starting at a huge disadvantage. the fact that disadvantage can even be overcome by game says a lot for how powerful game is. and we’ve all framed the better looking guy as desperate and try hard and one the battle. but if you didn’t that doesn’t necessarily mean you could’ve done something better and i used to believe it did.

i feel like this is actually a little more on topic. always believe you can win, stay nonreactive, and attempt to frame the other guy as desperate. you’ll win some that way. don’t be intimidated. but also don’t cope by saying it wasn’t looks and you could’ve done better. maybe you could have but that’s not an experience that should make you really break down your game. you most because you were supposed to lose. you’ve got a cheat code. but it’s not gonna win the game for you every time. again the fact it can even win you the game sometimes goes against the way everything is supposed to work and is really quite amazing

 

[naturalmikey]

i did not say you are kj, i said when you say that women close their eyes to think about other dudes, or because you are not ripped is kj (the subject)... I also recommended you text on your phone book, take max 5 minutes these 2 questions to the women you are seeing or the women you know:

1.- hey, quick question do you close your eyes during sex (i will even use this as opinion opener this weekend)

2.- why? simple

i don't give a shit about pua or puas dogma, i don't get along with most puas...

if you don’t see why it would be hard to get an honest answer out of that i don’t know what to say. i could text the girls i’m fucking ask them why they stare at me during sex. but i think you’d be hard pressed to find a girl who would admit to fantasizing about other guys during sex but clearly they like a visual image during sex because they stare at hot guys. you really think they don’t have a fantasy image in their head if their eyes are closed? then why would they open them for a hot guy.

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills ill give you this, maybe it’s not all girls. like maybe not all guys would think about another girl with his eyes closed ducking a girl he wasn’t physically attracted to. but just like most guys would fantasize about someone else, i believe most girls would too.

i don’t know if your argument is girls never do this. if so i’d say that’s foolish. if you’re saying some do some don’t. i can agree with that. maybe our opinions just differ on how common it is. there’s no real way of knowing. i’m literally basing this off my experience. my experience says women like to be stimulated by images during sex. women aren’t as visual so they can generate these images in their head. however if your image is sufficient the visual image will do.

women are very imaginative and get lost in fantasy. this is why long drawn out explicit sexting written like romance novel shit works so well. they love the fantasy. but you’re telling me when their eyes are closed during sex they’re not fantasizing? i just don’t by it

 

[Skills]

@Skills ill give you this, maybe it’s not all girls. like maybe not all guys would think about another girl with his eyes closed ducking a girl he wasn’t physically attracted to. but just like most guys would fantasize about someone else, i believe most girls would too.

i don’t know if your argument is girls never do this. if so i’d say that’s foolish. if you’re saying some do some don’t. i can agree with that. maybe our opinions just differ on how common it is. there’s no real way of knowing. i’m literally basing this off my experience. my experience says women like to be stimulated by images during sex. women aren’t as visual so they can generate these images in their head. however if your image is sufficient the visual image will do.

women are very imaginative and get lost in fantasy. this is why long drawn out explicit sexting written like romance novel shit works so well. they love the fantasy. but you’re telling me when their eyes are closed during sex they’re not fantasizing? i just don’t by it

so you had 0 problems surveying women about hearing about puas, but you do have a problem asking those 2 basic questions???by the way i am getting half and half on my survey, but the why have nothing to do with being ripped or fantasizing about other guys so far... Also do you know that women have different stereotypes of guys they like, do you know women like different features in guys etc...