Socializing My experience with my "rating dudes looks stage" and why is such a massive waste of time and inaccurate

[Velasco]

easy test to see how physically attractive you are.

to the girl your having sex with. NOT physically attractive in general. Some girls can still think your ugly.

1.- hey, quick question do you close your eyes during sex (i will even use this as opinion opener this weekend)

lol nice one.

but there is some truth in what NM is saying tho

 

[Teevster]

if you don’t see why it would be hard to get an honest answer out of that i don’t know what to say. i could text the girls i’m fucking ask them why they stare at me during sex.

That's the thing with strong sexual frames, sex talk and all that... is that women become "real" to you on a sexual level, and may infact respond honestly to that question

 

[Skills]

That's the thing with strong sexual frames, sex talk and all that... is that women become "real" to you on a sexual level, and may infact respond honestly to that question

yes and confess crazy shit, 50 times more honest like fucking multiple guys at the same time, fucking a step brother, inserting vegtables etc...

 

[Teevster]

PS: I won't moderate this thread.

yes and confess crazy shit, 50 times more honest like fucking multiple guys at the same time, fucking a step brother, inserting vegtables etc..

Yup. Welcome to the darkside.

Edit: the vegetable one is pretty common. Now stepbrother? Haven't had that one yet.

 

[Teevster]

PS: I won't moderate this thread.

women are very imaginative and get lost in fantasy. this is why long drawn out explicit sexting written like romance novel shit works so well. they love the fantasy. but you’re telling me when their eyes are closed during sex they’re not fantasizing? i just don’t by it

Women close their eyes because they want to either increase physical sensitivity, or/and get carried away by the emotions of the moment - which is good! because that means your are doing something right.

Women are not that visual during sex, and if women are thinking about your looks while you fuck them, then that means you fuck them pretty badly, because good sex is when you blow her mind away, drag her to another reality - which entails she cannot what-so-ever focus on ANYTHING.... not even a hot guy.

Women are not men.

Edit: And even if current culture is affecting them, cultural changes and socialization will not transform female behaviour - it takes 100s if not 1000s of years before biological factors gets affected. And there is another fallacy here, namely that sex - or at least the better the sex is, the more you strip her down of socialization - you basically bring her back to the god damn state of nature. The more aroused, and immersed she is, the more "feminine" in the biological sense she will behave. This is why it is not uncommon to hear that femininity has to be drawn out of them through good sex.

 

[Velasco]

When they close their eyes they can be fantasizing but that may not be YOU they are fantasizing about, is what NM is saying. Nancy Friday also talks this in MY Secret Garden. And girls don't want to admit this, because they know it may upset their guy. But they need that extra stimulus to get off. I talk about this with girls to show sexual understanding and contrast myself from guys with fragile egos.

 

[Skills]

PS: I won't moderate this thread.




Women close their eyes because they want to either increase physical sensitivity, or/and get carried away by the emotions of the moment - which is good! because that means your are doing something right.

Women are not that visual during sex, and if women are thinking about your looks while you fuck them, then that means you fuck them pretty badly, because good sex is when you blow her mind away, drag her to another reality - which entails she cannot what-so-ever focus on ANYTHING.... not even a hot guy.

Women are not men.

Why it took you so long to jump in, jesus, i was waiting.....

@naturalmikey just to clarify, women do fantasize about other dudes with their eyes close, but not always and not cause you are not ripped.... i for example develop the 2 cock routine and other sexual stuff i do were i make them in fact fantasize about other dudes and tell me as i fucking them about them doing nasty shit with other dude... my problem with you is your "ripped" obsession.... (by the way i am pro ripped), but when i see you in the forum with the you have to be "ripped" and the likes it just annoys me,not cause i am not pro ripped... but cause it has very little to do with some of the issues posters are having that have nothing to do with the being ripped..... The was a poster with really nice shape that even posted his picture and you answer to his issues with get ripped... i was like wtf... that is why i am giving you shit about the looks stuff...

 

[naturalmikey]

you guys can live in your delusion world all you want. or you could get in the gym (where i’m at right now) and get ripped yourselves and a real world experience. i texted one girl i’m sleeping with and asked her. i’m not sure how @Teevster expexts me to set sexual frames over texting for the purpose of getting a girl to answer a question i already know the answer too. i agree it’s pretty easy to get girls to admit a lot. it’s also easy to get them to do a lot. but we’re not talking about in the club. we’re talking about texting. but good job trying to frame me as not understanding sexual frames because i don’t text a girl something. it’s like i’m some dumb girl lol. anything to reinforce your antiquated beliefs. might wanna join 2020 it’ll be gone in a year.

 

[Teevster]

Why it took you so long to jump in, jesus, i was waiting.....

Was this sarcastic?

BTW I added some pointers in my earlier post under "edit" - you may like it.

 

[naturalmikey]

When they close their eyes they can be fantasizing but that may not be YOU they are fantasizing about, is what NM is saying. Nancy Friday also talks this in MY Secret Garden. And girls don't want to admit this, because they know it may upset their guy. But they need that extra stimulus to get off. I talk about this with girls to show sexual understanding and contrast myself from guys with fragile egos.

thank you. i’m so sick of being framed as some sort of fucking weirdo because i say what others won’t. people are living in blue pilled delusions. my originally point is that you can tell how hot you are by paying attention to how often girls look at you during sex. you can test this by getting hotter and seeing it first hand.

 

[Velasco]

Now stepbrother? Haven't had that one yet.

porn.

Why Is Incest Porn So Popular?

There's been an increase in the consumption of porn in which the actors pretend to be related, but is incest really what the fans want, or do they just crave something more outrageous than the last thing they saw?

www.vice.com

same as the rise in girls being into anal sex. if nancy friday were still alive she would update her book with these (and other new ones that have sprung up since 1973) dark fantasies.

 

[naturalmikey]

Why it took you so long to jump in, jesus, i was waiting.....

@naturalmikey just to clarify, women do fantasize about other dudes with their eyes close, but not always and not cause you are not ripped.... i for example develop the 2 cock routine and other sexual stuff i do were i make them in fact fantasize about other dudes and tell me as i fucking them about them doing nasty shit with other dude... my problem with you is your "ripped" obsession.... (by the way i am pro ripped), but when i see you in the forum with the you have to be "ripped" and the likes it just annoys me,not cause i am not pro ripped... but cause it has very little to do with some of the issues posters are having that have nothing to do with the being ripped..... The was a poster with really nice shape that even posted his picture and you answer to his issues with get ripped... i was like wtf... that is why i am giving you shit about the looks stuff...

then we agree. you’ve contorted my words into a black and white statement. there are plenty of reasons. i’m talking about the cases the girl doesn’t really look at you at all. and i’m guessing you guys don’t get a lot of looks and are triggered. here’s looking at you non moderating @Teevster. i posit you’re a fraud. smoke and mirrors. like half the puas. i actually don’t think that about anyone else including @Skills. me and skills disagree. you are triggered by everything i say because you’re ways probably just don’t work anymore.

oh and i actually enjoy the content of literally everyone else one here. who made you a moderator is beyond me. you’re fat to confrontational to have such a position.

 

[Teevster]

When they close their eyes they can be fantasizing but that may not be YOU they are fantasizing about, is what NM is saying. Nancy Friday also talks this in MY Secret Garden. And girls don't want to admit this, because they know it may upset their guy. But they need that extra stimulus to get off. I talk about this with girls to show sexual understanding and contrast myself from guys with fragile egos.

True, that is, if you do not arouse them, or the narrative set in the exact moment is not turning her on enough. That's a matter of how much she is into you on a sexual level - i.e. sexual compatibility and... how sexy and arousing the overlying narrative of the sex is.... women can get immersed in the exact moment too, and close their eyes. But yes there is a risk she is thinking about somebody else, I will not deny that.

 

[Skills]

you guys can live in your delusion world all you want. or you could get in the gym (where i’m at right now) and get ripped yourselves and a real world experience. i texted one girl i’m sleeping with and asked her. i’m not sure how @Teevster expexts me to set sexual frames over texting for the purpose of getting a girl to answer a question i already know the answer too. i agree it’s pretty easy to get girls to admit a lot. it’s also easy to get them to do a lot. but we’re not talking about in the club. we’re talking about texting. but good job trying to frame me as not understanding sexual frames because i don’t text a girl something. it’s like i’m some dumb girl lol. anything to reinforce your antiquated beliefs. might wanna join 2020 it’ll be gone in a year.

why you keep strawmaning, and yes you can set sexual frames during text i do it all the time so does pure evil, teevester does not do that and does not like it.... but what does that has to do with the post, you need to read the responses, instead of the me against the world attitude... And velasco unfortunately is a member of lookism former puahate look obsessed as well.... Which i am and promote look maxing, please stop strawmaning dude...

 

[naturalmikey]

why you keep strawmaning, and yes you can set sexual frames during text i do it all the time so does pure evil, teevester does not do that and does not like it.... but what does that has to do with the post, you need to read the responses, instead of the me against the world attitude... And velasco unfortunately is a member of lookism former puahate look obsessed as well.... Which i am and promote look maxing, please stop strawmaning dude...

what is with you and “straw man”. i’m not gonna go into texts setting sexual frames to ask a question. i sent a text asking a girl i fuck and i’m waiting on her response. she’s the only one i really feel comfortable asking. just because i can do something doesn’t make it a good idea.

also because i say something different it’s me against the world. no you and other people join up in disagreeing with me. i just gave my opinion. i don’t come into conversations telling people they’re wrong. but i’m gonna defend myself when attacked from all angles.

 

[naturalmikey]

@Skills also i had forgotten until i started reading your posts here. i respect your opinions. stuff you’ve written has helped me a lot. probably mostly with relationship management type stuff. because that’s where i was when i found nextasf. and i never wanted to admit it to myself because we’d argue like this but looking back you probably helped me more than anyone. so thank you

 

[Skills]

@naturalmikey as i said i have fought and argue the same i am doing with you with other posters is not personal, in fact i do not like forums were everybody has the same point of view, they are boring....

I am just having and issue with you and your "ripped" obsession... And has nothing to do with me not being ripped, i have been 10% to 20% and i ruin a whole forum (part of the problem) talking about looks for years and looks maxing...

But the women closing their eyes cause they are thinking about other dudes cause they are not ripped, was my issue... but dude you can disagree with me all you want, i don't have a problem with you, and you i encourage debate to look for my blind spots... i just dont like strawman, i like keeping debates honest without getting personal unless a troll...

 

[Skills]

PS: I won't moderate this thread.



Yup. Welcome to the darkside.

Edit: the vegetable one is pretty common. Now stepbrother? Haven't had that one yet.

Guys for transparency i am glad @Teevster caught it, it was not a step brother(though cousins is common one) it was a step uncle (my bad) i did have 2 blood sister doing stuff confession....

 

[Chase]

Wow, this thread got a little dramatic.

To go back to the original couple of posts -- excellent, excellent posts by Skills. That's been my experience too -- just giving up trying to figure out what guys are "good looking" or not. Women's tastes are far too varied.

Mikey's point about physique mattering less in clubs and most places where you're shirtless and your body is actually exposed is good as well. If you can't see the physique, it's not going to matter. That said -- I have gone to clubs with very, very large (think "could beat up a football player") friends who are insanely cut, and even with blazers on you can tell they are huge, and it does get them attention from girls (though still not a silver bullet... but it does grease the slide a bit). And I have had friends who did well picking up on the beach despite mediocre physiques. So nothing here is absolute. But in general -- if you can't see it, it isn't going to matter much (unless it affects your own confidence, an indirect effect).

The thing about girls closing their eyes is a little weird. The way the brain handles sensation is by shutting out one or more senses, it is able to focus on the fewer senses remaining. When your eyes are closed for a while your hearing becomes more acute. When eyes are closed and hearing is tuned out, your tactile sense (touch) becomes more focused and acute. If you've ever tried staring at a woman while shagging her, it might be exciting to stare at a beautiful woman, but the sensation in your dick drops noticeably. Assuming she is enjoying the sex, it can also be very difficult to get a woman to keep her eyes open for any good length of time, even when you order her to, before her eyes glaze over, roll back in her head again, and she's grinning and moaning with them closed.

Any time I see a woman's eyes open during sex I for one take that as a sign she's not enjoying herself nearly enough yet. Often a good hard thrust is all you need to shut those eyes tight.

To Skills's point about not being able to tell what men a woman will find good-looking -- this is a very, very good point.

I personally used to think I had some kind of "male looks-sensing disability" because I could never tell what guys a woman would find attractive. I would tell people "I can't tell guys' looks", because if I would say I thought a guy was good-looking, I would then hear from women he was not that good-looking, or even ugly. Meanwhile I would think a guy was ugly, and women would be saying he is so hot. I just shrugged, figured I was looks-blind with regard to men, and moved on.

Years later I realized all the guys who claim they can tell a good-looking man from one who isn't have the same issue, except they do not realize most of the women they meet do no share their opinions on guys' looks. A guy will say "That guy is so much better looking than me"; a beautiful woman will see the mournful man, argue that he is actually a lot better looking than the guy he's jealous of, and the mournful man will dismiss her and tell her she's wrong.

It's not really about what looks are women actually attracted to for these guys -- it is more what looks do they subjectively rate as attractive themselves (regardless what women actually think about the guy).

Next you realize women do the same thing.

Every guy has heard, all the time, women talking about "OMG, she is SO beautiful!" and you look at the girl they're talking about and shudder in horror. Dear lord that girl is disgusting looking! you think. If you try to argue that with the girls saying that they will tell you you're wrong.

How can YOU (as a man... you know, the one her looks are geared around attracting) be "wrong" about whether a woman is attractive or not?

Well, only if people are only concerned with their own subjective opinions on looks -- and not on what actually attracts members of the opposite sex to mate with them.

You realize most people, men and women alike, are this way.

When they talk about who is good-looking or not, they are not talking about it in an objective "this person is objectively more attractive to a larger number of people" way.

They are telling you "I find this person personally attractive, and wish I looked more like him, regardless what actual women would actually say about that or how they would actually react."

It is a strange thing.

(also liberating when you realize it, because then you can start styling yourself in ways you do not at first find actually attractive, but that women in fact respond to... and you realize your tastes and women's tastes are necessarily different, and if you want results it's more in your favor to tailor your appearance to women's tastes rather than yours and other men's tastes)

Chase

 

[Skills]

Very nice video: