@Ybatman the question is actually less about A2, but more about A3 and C1. Again, there was no attack in the other thread. I am young Bruce Wayne at the temple doors in Batman Begins, seeking insights from the elders who are silent up in the temple. I wish
@Vision would post every day and that
@Karea Ricardus D. wasn't away somewhere listening to International Players Anthem on repeat.
First is the theory of ASD
how women, going home with a totally physical monster of yum, is going to feel a bit guilty about it
shes going to be thinking “oh geez, I really did it didn’t I!”
and you will be like “doesn’t matter” be sexual
OK… but it doesnt actually address her issue, shes still thinking “gah, im being so crazy”
This from Cosy about second gen pre-empting ASD is what I'm getting at, but it's more about post-lay retention.
Basically, if you read Flux's Halloween report, James' anal in the park report, and my street-to-car report linked above - all three seem to be relying heavily on non-verbal fundamentals for A2, and pretty much skip A3, going for the move and speed through C1-3.
Mine asked for my number after the lay, but I never heard from her after. We are walking dildos here - unknown men with no deep rapport.
Qualification is worth learning, it’s a very powerful phase and can make a huge difference. When Sinn was a beginner he went from 1 lay a month to 1 lay a week or something by adding qualification to his game (don’t quote me on the exact numbers but it was something like that). A3 is the moment when she feels you have a REAL connection with her. It very often makes the difference between a flake and a date.
This is what I mean... and also assumed to impact post-lay flake due to lack of A3 and C1
In some cases you can escalate very quickly...
In other cases, this fast escalation will cost you the set, so it shouldn’t be the default or standard / only move. And you usually shouldn’t do it in public if you want more than a blowjob AND you want retention.
See "if [...] you want retention"
@Razorjack for example was the king of qualification. He would use qualifiers as a mean to attract girls - since auto-qualifying would imply an "assumed attraction" (or "assumed high value" if you like) and indirectly convey high amounts of confidence, high amount of social value and set a clear frame of him being the prize (prizability).
This is interesting. The very act of skipping over A2 and moving to A3 conveys prizability. But there is increased focus on A3. Qualification. I am not asking if
@James D should have spent an hour he didn't require to qualify her and build deep rapport in C1. But are we doing ourselves a huge disservice by not running through these steps for even 5-10 minutes to increase overall deep compliance? I know you guys are into ONS night game with new girls each week for example, whereas Mystery played slower love game as
@Skills mentioned. And if James meets a traveler, perhaps it doesn't matter to accomplish the short term goal.
But my goal is not to be a flash memory of a 30-minute bathroom pull she is ok with being a distant memory. It is to be a 20-minute bathroom pull she reminisces about with a more deeply seduced heart, even for ONS. My most memorable SNL ended with her texting "thank you for a lovely evening" and trying to maintain contact when we live 10 hours away. This was a very, very fast hookup, but with an extended A3 moved after S3.
usually I would go for sex talk related techniques over DHV's, even though I do not exclude using DHV's at times. This is all meant to up her compliance (not different from the regular A2). In the case of sex talk, I would 1. convey liberal attitudes towards sex to loosen her up - which some may claim to be a comfort building technique or an ASD buster. I will not disagree here, but it is also a great "hook" and compliance building technique
Yet, mind you that during the sex talk, I demonstrate attitudes and abilities, and knowledge that frames me as an attractive sexual guy - pretty much like a "sexual DHV" (I prefer seeing it as "frames" and "framing"
And at no point do I show any or much interest until my material has done the work and upped her compliance.... - very reminiscent of A2. When delivering sex talk, I always do so without communicating much or any interest at all.
@Teevster you are still on hiatus so not expecting an answer, but this surprised me. You are sexually framing in A2 before knowing anything about her? Karea said he does this too, but I am not sure with what verbal techniques. I pictured sex talk gambits being used in C1 after she's moved and seated with you, but it seems you are doing this before any A3 qualification. Or maybe you mean lighter sexual frames before the later gambits.
Overly Linear: I do believe that from A1-3 things are rather linear, and in which case MM is pretty spot on. However, post A3, I do not see things to be quite linear - it isn't all "comfort" (C1-3) and eventually "all sexualization" (S1-3). Things are not linear anymore at this point, they are a mix of everything... after A3, you may need to use techniques that reminds you a bit of A2 if you need to up her compliance a bit more (maybe compliance is dropping for a reason), and comfort building may go hand in hand with sexualization.
I agree A2-type techniques can be sprinkled throughout (as well as that you still need even very quick solid A2 F2M interest before moving to A3 M2F; I believe this is consistent with your indirect method rewarding her interest with your interest). And I agree sexualization needs to come early (though again I thought that was very discreet in C1, not before getting her to move with you; it seems sexual framing as early as possible and seems like the key to low-LMR speed seduction).
But I thought C3 through S3 were end-game after the final bounce, when you are in isolation and at the point of no return escalation. Maybe I am viewing the S1-3 stages more as logistical steps that are referring to the point in time when her clothing is being removed, not sexual framing technique that can be applied to mid-game C2 or earlier kino and sex talk.
This thread after the below quotes it contains is also on this topic. It is about about the focused intention of the phrase "solid game" vs. fool's mate specifically as Mystery was referring to truly, deeply seducing her.
@Ybatman based on your previous LR comments, I genuinely want your musings from a theoretical perspective on if you slow down green light girls you may want to increase retention odds with. It is about the below quotes - if you encounter the girl from the "new school" quote, do you take her really fast, or apply the quoted "old school view" at a deeper psychological level. Perhaps slowed to only slightly fast, not 7 hours or even 3.
Like if you meet a potential wife candidate who is at the club one night out of the year for a friend's birthday. Even if she is not initially so sold on you and more A2 is needed... What is "solid game" for the goal of pulling a girl with 3 previous sexual mates behind the alley dumpster FAST and still getting her to fantasize about your potential and CHASE you for a relationship. It is sort of but not exactly about buyer's remorse... to have deep emotional report so you are not a writeoff hookup who does not reach the few more lays it takes to truly connect her to you.
new school is basically the current paradigm that: game is all about escalating the process, the vibe, and dealing with resistance - basically sealing the deal with women who are already attracted to you.
And then we have the otherr view - a view held by a minority (but it was not always like that!) which is the old school view - namely that one can generate attraction, or even create it, and game is not just all about "making it happen", but also generating the (pre-)conditions that makes it happen - i.e. making a girl who is not attracted to you, actually be willing to have sex with you. This view puts a lot more faith in outer game and pick up techniques. We believe in the game.
I am of the latter school, and so is most old schoolers here.
Lately, due to the confinement, we end up on the forum debating old topics - beating down dead horses. And I find it awesome that we see typical new school pua theory being presented, and perhaps contrasted with the old school way of thinking. Now what is this so-called "new school" ? well...
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This is very interesting and different from how I set it up. I go into general sexual frames (without sexual prizing), then qualify and from that point onwards it is assumed that the two of us are on a trajectory towards sex, because we have both established a sexual frame AND connected via qualification. I add the sexual prizing much later as a final nail in the coffin if you will... maybe I should reconsider that. I'll need some practice first though before I make such a fundamental shift in my gameplan, so will reconsider this in 6 months.
this is more on the use of early sex talk prizability gambits
Great. Yeah a well-delivered A3 phase creates this, too. If you do A3 right it will shift the vibe completely from... two strangers having a conversation to... a connection has been established and it's now the 2 of you together.
to take this a little further, it's about the linearity while accelerating the speed of Mystery's "love game" with girls you want to responsibly employ this type of technique with in S3!
Hey guys the last 2 girls i laid FROM COLD APPROACH, i was able to give them both 20 plus orgasms' MINIMUM to each in the same encounter(this is a million % factual not exaggerated going to see if they come to my channel) , and the technique i use is something new i have never used before, but...
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Just a quick little technique. I read about this in Stephen King’s The Stand when I was like 14 or 15… there’s a rock star character who laments while having sex with a chick how girls rarely look you in the eyes while making love. Makes it less intimate, the character opines. Ever since I read...
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